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Ibime:
Based on this, Amuneke, Ikpeba and Moustapha Hadji > Okocha. Discuss.

At least we know Oliseh won his for performance on the pitch not for being the senior man in an AFCON winning team after riding the bench for Chelsea the whole year of 2013 and being thoroughly outperformed in the same tournament for which he was recognised by Warri Wolves player Sunday Mba.

That 1998 was the Kay time Hoe-Lisa scored for Super Eagles, infact that was the only year he ever scored for Super Eagles.

But such person should be rated against a Legend like Mikel who bossed the midfield in the two biggest game of his career?

Never!

Jodera:
Na mostly Wikipedia analysts speaking.

That was how a Messi fan I was arguing with offline was saying Messi is the greatest ever player because of the 7 world best he won as against Pele 2 abi 3. I've to cut him short saying during Pele prime years, balon d'Or was given to only Europeans and world best didn't come in his career at all.

Most of these things comes from experience and even watching the game. That's why Wikipedia analysts will tell us Giroud is the greatest striker France have ever produced because of his Europa like say top clubs even send Europa before

Because he won Europa Coward Henry couldn’t win, e dey pain you.


Relax first, he’s just 3 goals away from breaking Coward Henry’s National goals. Just relax

He’s got more European trophies than Arsenal.

Ibime:
Name one young player in Chelsea first team squad in 2007/2008



Wikipedia did not show you that Oliseh pretty much did the same in 1998 without even playing AFCON, just based on his European and World Cup performance alone.

Mikel was sent forth from Nigeria because they needed to recognise our Nations Cup win, and he was the only senior man there. Even local league player like Sunday Mba far outperformed him in that tournament

Hoe-Lisa came 3rd, not 2nd. Mike is still bossing him in that settings.

You discredit Mikel coming 2nd, but wants to rate Hoe-Lisa for coming 3rd in the same award. Lmao!! In this case, you’re clearly and obviously sentimental, else you’ll be stating logical facts and stats like you do to backup your argument.

Mikel >>> Hoe-Lisa

In all aspect.

Someone that scored just 2 goals for Nigeria for 9 years shouldn’t be compared to this Legend.

popizaino:
John mikel obi before anybody in this world and beyond.

You know ball

Ibime:
Bring out Mikel's individual awards, let's examine them in comparison to Oliseh. You will start yapping about Under-20 Silver ball when Oliseh never played youth football for Nigeria, or will you start yapping about AFCON team of the tournament that never existed in Olisehs day that Oliseh will easily walk into?

Note this in closing. Oliseh was signed back-to-back by 3 recent UCL winners (Ajax, Juve and Dortmund). That's the equivalent today of a player going from Madrid to PSG to City to Bayern back to back to back.

Slowbie was made available for as little as £5m several times during his Chelsea career when he was unwanted by managers and nobody took the bait. The best we heard was interest from a decrepit InterMilan, while Mikel used his political connections at Chelsea to sit on his juicy contracts while hugging the bench and being unwanted by several managers from AVB to Benitez to Mourinho. The same Slowbie is bounced around Middlesborough to Trabzonspor to Stoke to China while Oliseh was going from UCL winner to UCL winner to UCL winner consistently.

Wikipedia can never tell you the value of a player you didn't watch.

The thing is; you’re not consistent with the metric you use in rating players. You switch to win argument with anyone that seems to suite you.

All of a sudden, recognition top clubs matters now because Hoe-Lisa is involved?

Isn’t this the same metric you keep disputing when the likes of Jorginho and Busquet get rated over Hojberg here because of the clubs they play for? How many time have you criticized Hojberg for not getting recognized by top clubs in Europe?

Mikel’s awards? Chelsea young player of the year.. 2007/08

Runner up in African footballer of the year.

Can I see Hoe-Lisa getting these recognitions?

Again I’ll say, there’s no metric of rating and comparing players that Legend Mikel won’t top Hoe-Lisa, absolutely none.

Super Eagles become very useless immediately Mikel retired.

Excellent performance on biggest career games, trophies, individual awards, achievements and recognition.

Mikel >>> Oliseh

There’s no angle or metric you’ll use that Mikel won’t come out top.

Greatness!!!

Jodera:
fa fa fa..... Foul.


This is the template you and Amokachi is following and that's what you strictly followed.

Pedro is the greatest Spaniard to ever play same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian to ever play


According to Amokachi and donstan18

Pedro>>>>>> Xavi and iniesta

This one just dey cap.

Shame no gree you answer simple question.

Ibime:
What is Obis individual award. Your foolishness of youth about to speak again via Wikipedia. But before you quote any foolish award, ask yourself whether that award existed in the 1990s

Real legends won lots of individual awards in the 1990s, insults won’t save you from this argument.

Bring out Oliseh’s individual awards. I dare you.

Jodera:
Same way Mikel is never Nigeria best ever player.

Thank you!!





EOD!!!

Inesta and Xavi better than Pedro.

Using achievements, trophies, individual awards and recognitions.

Now let’s use these metrics to compare Legend Mikel and Oliseh.

Bring his achievements and individual awards.

Ibime:
You might as well tell me Ikpeba is greater than Yekini. Run to Wikipedia and pull up Ikpeba trophies won in Europe.

Oliseh record and performance with Super Eagles far far outmatches anything Mikel can bring to the table.

Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to AFCON like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to World Cup like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to take Super Eagles out of World Cup group stage like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh
never failed to make AFCON final like Obi did 6 times. Oliseh won the Olympics against more or less the same Brazil team that won the 2002 World Cup.

Arrogance of talking about something you never saw is not a good trait in a man. It's ego speaking.

Trophies and achievements are the major metric in rating players. That’s a fact.

Now let’s leave these major things and use individual awards.

Can you help me with Oliseh’s individual awards?

Jodera:
Pedro best Spanish player ever innit?
Yes or no?

No

Jodera:
Lol... The original question was "who was better as a DM". Na you carry trophies come dey parade everywhere

As I don use Pedro choke you with your template e don turn who was "bigger and greater" shebi?


Na only person wey dey pitch dey play ball I dey rate. Perennial club bench warmer cannot be one of them.

Bro Mikel and Oliseh, who’s a bigger and greater footballer?

All these talks no make sense.

Even prime Xavi, Inesta, Modric and Fabregas combined cannot produce this best back heel assist ever in EPL.

Sure .there is still absolutely nothing excellent in mikel's back heel assist to Costa pic.twitter.com/7JP04LAg8T

— Ogheneovo (@lordslim91) September 30, 2019

A legend

Mikel’s offense was playing for Chelsea and creating haters from rival clubs.

They’ll hype Chukwueze for winning Europa from bench, hype Aribo and Bassey for reaching Europa finals and losing shamelessly, hype Okocha for dribbling a German keeper l, hype Musa for scoring World Cup goals without Nigeria qualifying for group’s stage, hype Oliseh for scoring fluke long shot.

They hype mugus for rubbish and disrespect this man, huh?

Jodera:
I don't understand?

It's no longer by how many trophies won according to you and amokachi?

Why this question dey hard you to answer?

Ibime:
How will Mikel posting 1 assist in AFCON 2013 as a CM be greater than Oliseh posting 4 assists in AFCON 1994?

You too dey talk chochocho. Learn when to close mouth when speaking about anything before your time.

Nothing Mikel did on International stage will match Adepoju, talkless of Oliseh, the conqueror of AFCON, the conqueror of the greatest Brazilian and Argentinian teams ever seen in the Olympics.

Just use that UCL final bus parking hold yourself, after all Bosingwa is the greatest cemtreback the Camp Nou has ever seen based on that same bus parking.

Who brought out link first to hype a player? You did!

Who started talking about performances in Tournaments? You did.

As I don choke you with the same energy, you’ve started talking about “Before my time” as usual. Why not bring their stats, achievements and trophies to counter as you normally do?

E hard you??

Oliseh is shiit and his biggest achievement was scoring long shot against Spain. Such person can never lace the boot of this legend.

Jodera:
that Pedro is the greatest Spaniard of all time same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian of all time.


Shebi it's by number of trophies carried?

Mikel and Oliseh.

Who’s a bigger and Greater footballer?

Ibime:
Would never rate a DM over a bus parking performance just like Jogginghoe. When Mikel was asked to play normally in the next UCL, he disgraced Chelsea and knocked us out of the UCL group stage for the first time ever and had to apologise. Both Juve and Shakhtar completely overran him. Anything to do with running, just write off Slowbie. UCL 2012, he didn't have to run as Chelsea did not leave their 18 yard box.

And no, Mikel never won any Europa league. He was sent to the bench where he belongs after disgracing Chelsea all season.

Mikel won UCL and AFCON with great performances.

Below are proofs..

⏪ John Obi Mikel's key role in Chelsea's 2012 final victory 🔝

🏆 @mikel_john_obi #MondayMotivation | @ChelseaFC | #UCL pic.twitter.com/Cfuoi1diyD

— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) April 26, 2021

Mikel’s brilliant passing performance in AFCON 2013
How will @mikel_john_obi and Nigeria do at AFCON 2019#mikel #afcon2019 #nigeria #supereagles pic.twitter.com/y4jQBc5sEZ

— Sporty-Tips (@daakinstips) June 17, 2019

He was not carried.

And please, you can’t blame Mikel on Chelsea loss and defend Hojberg getting blamed for anchoring Spurs DM when they were drinking goals like Norwich back to back.

Those two links I posted will always be greater than whatever Oliseh did in his career.

Jodera:
Same way Pedro is the greatest Spaniard ever

World cup, euros , CWC, Europa, UCL, la Liga, EPL, ....

Your point?

You dare disrespect this legend because of one outside box18 fluke goal by Oliseh against Spain?

Greatest Nigerian player ever to exist.

AFCON 2013 performance we won.

Mikel’s brilliant passing performance in AFCON 2013
How will @mikel_john_obi and Nigeria do at AFCON 2019#mikel #afcon2019 #nigeria #supereagles pic.twitter.com/y4jQBc5sEZ

— Sporty-Tips (@daakinstips) June 17, 2019

UCL performance Chelsea won.

⏪ John Obi Mikel's key role in Chelsea's 2012 final victory 🔝

🏆 @mikel_john_obi #MondayMotivation | @ChelseaFC | #UCL pic.twitter.com/Cfuoi1diyD

— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) April 26, 2021

A legend.

Mikel on Chelsea biggest night in UCL 2012.

⏪ John Obi Mikel's key role in Chelsea's 2012 final victory 🔝

🏆 @mikel_john_obi #MondayMotivation | @ChelseaFC | #UCL pic.twitter.com/Cfuoi1diyD

— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) April 26, 2021

This performance alone and achievement is bigger than whatever Oliseh did in his career.

Someone that would have turned to a dm under Mou.

Jodera:
I'll double it.

Jorginho and Mount

Against which non-Chelsea players did you support Jorg and Mount?

Just compare prime Hazard and Chukuwueze, you’ll see Assnal fans making case for Chukwueze that he’s better.

I’ve never see anti-Chelsea fans as bitter over Chelsea matters as Assnal fans.

Still pains them that we’ve won UCL twice when they’ve won none? Or could it be because most of their players that joined Chelsea excelled and achieved a lot? Who knows.

After today, observe their opinions here whenever Chelsea players start getting compared to other players.

Jodera:
Most people are clouded with recency bias and CV of Mikel's u-20. Person wey with all him talent I felt he just used only 10% in his career

The only thing Mikel is just better than Oliseh is trophies. Let's even come naija. What was the spectacular thing he even dis in naija. I remember how he was called Mikel "Slow-bie" in 2014 world cup and 2013 afcon naim I dey hear say him be boss for naija?

Just dey carry Chelsea CV dey deceive guys

Name one former Chelsea player you’ve ever supported here against other players.

Just one.

Mikel is the greatest and most decorated Nigerian player ever.


By club and national achievements, major trophies and success.

Mikel>>>> All of them.

andrewbaba44:
Well grealish wasn’t signed as a backup ,we all saw what happened

If rice no play well for top team dem go bench am .

Bro you can’t sign Declan Rice as a backup DM.

Lol, you can’t.

andrewbaba44:
Rodri has been a boss from his Villarreal days to ATM if you watched him

Both Rodri and Fabinho has hustled their way to the top ,both didn’t just wake up one morning and see themselves at Liverpool and city

Too bad we won’t see rice under pep for now ,kalvin Phillips the Yorkshire Pirlo has taken that spot

You can’t sign Rice as a backup DM.

BlueMann:
Don't remember the Ndidi to Man U rumours that trended for quite some time?

Anyways, his injuries have probably played a part. You probably won't have that many suitors for someone who didn't even start up to half of games last season (18 starts, 19 apps ).

Excuses.

BlueMann:
20/21
Rice: 35 successful tackles (59% success rate); 1.1 successful tackles per game in 32 games. 4.5 duels won (58%), 3.1 ground duels won (57%).

Bissouma: 68 successful tackles (65% success rate); 1.9 successful tackles per game in 36 games. 6.3 duels won (59%), 5.3 ground duels won (58%).


21/22
Rice: 42 successful tackles (53% success rate); 1.17 successful tackles per game in 36 games. 5.1 duels won (58%), 3.9 ground duels won (58%)

Bissouma : 49 successful tackles (64% success rate); 1.89 successful tackles per game in 26 games. 5.6 duels won (59%), 5.0 ground duels won (62%).


Last two seasons combined

Rice: 84 clearances (1.23 per game)
Bissouma: 111 clearances (1.8 per game)


Not saying Bissouma is better. But he isn't better than Rice in any way?

Guy rest

andrewbaba44:
Na only pass rice take pass ndidi

Both are on same level

Is rice better than Rodri or Fabinho ? No go there baba

Let Rice player for ManCity under Pep, then we’ll confirm.

Or let Rodri or Fab play for Westham

andrewbaba44:
I Dey watch epl mostly for our naija boys

Watching super eagles midfielder frank onyeka caught my attention to the brentford guy

Next season I will watch Nottingham forest because of awoniyi ,if I see one fine player there now you go come Dey ask where I Dey watch from

You no dey watch those players you listed.

andrewbaba44:
The rice wey we Dey hear which top club e don finally join ?

Gana gueye didn’t make it to a top team till age 29 ,I am sure you will come and say rice is better than him

Bros you’ve not named DMs better than Rice in EPL oo.