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popizaino:
Sterling
Stone
Walker

Pep didn’t develop Walker, Spurs did.

Same with Sterling who started making name in Liverpool.

Havertz10:
i'm not german, havertz played well, Chelsea will benefit using him

Why do you support England? If yesterday was any indication, southgate doesn't rate Chelsea players, he wanted to consolidate his victory yesterday, he didn't bring on mount

What do you stand to gain? Agenda and herd mobilization

I support an English club.

Havertz10:
their economy is bigger than Britain


They manufacture high quality goods, they have strong unions and their citizens earn good wages

They manufacture the machines that manufacturing countries use to manufacture goods

They are market leaders in so many sectors

Germany, china and America are essential to the global economy


Why would I learn about just their football, I went all the way, the only thing I don't know is their language

Not a bad attempt going that far to prove how deep you went learning things about them, but they lost 2:0 to England. That’s all that matters for now.

airmark:
I just wanted to know what you saw that made him a world class. Maybe i am wrong in my judgement and adjust my criteria and probably add some players to my world class stream.

Trophies won, consistency, attacking contributions, linkup plays, making a starting lineup for Madrid for years despite them signing strikers isn’t easy. The Nigha can play flank and Am, he can fall deep and pick the ball, left and right shooter, good header, singlehandedly carried Madrid in that attack since Ronaldo left, made Hazard and Vinicuis’s poor form not affecting Madrid’s attack.

Benzema is a world class player. It’s a fact!!!!!

popizaino:
Did you purposely omit Marcelo among your world class players or was it an oversight ?

Marcelo isn’t a defensive reliable world class 3.

He’s attacking duties gave him name because he had Ramos that could cover for him.

Jodera:
nobody oo...
Las las, if England see say British managers can't manage their talent well, no be to employ the correct German managers and everything go set?

The onus is on the players weda they're quality or not? To get quality manager to manage quality players for country no hard na

Personally, I don’t rate English managers, even this Southwareva....

England’s squad is the best in the world right now, from bench to age, from one position to another.

They need a very good tactical manager[Not English] that can help them win trophies and dominate the world with these young talents they have.

But politics no go gree them,m.

airmark:
What made him a world class player and not Kroos, Varane, Carvajal?

If Benzema being a world class will make Wan Bisakka a world class player, then so be it.

We bant when needed, but you see the Benzema I’ve watched and known in Madrid? He’s a world class player.

Jodera:
Omo... The amala turning was splendid

Na trap en wan set. Expecting me to fall for it because I rate English players.


Which reasonable Football fan will rate English managers ahead of German managers?

airmark:
Yet he will be the one accusing people of arguing with agenda.

He’s a hypocritical fencist.

Havertz10:
I didn't know anything about Germany a few months back but I know alot now, ibime said something similar yesterday, got too many mentions and i forgot reply, there are 33,000 german coaches, all the top managers in the world today are German, they have won the champions league back to back to back

There are 6,000 british coaches, none of them is managing a top club


There are 3000 artificial football fields Germany


There are less than 1800 in uk


An average german kid has access to coaches at a young age, because their are fewer British coaches kids in britain don't have such luxury, List goes on and on, low didn't integrate youth into the national team set up on time and when he tried to experiment, it led to disastrous outcomes, he called back the old guard because of that, it's not easy to refresh a national team, that's why he is being replaced by a much younger tactically astute manager, tuchel at club level and hansi at national level, havertz


When last did an english manager win a major tournament? Ferguson is Scottish but shameless Brits like to claim him because all their coaches are stupid and clueless

if coaches in uk are useless, how are the youth players trained by them supposed to be good?

I rate German managers more than English managers. Just so you know.

Maybe the next thing you’ll bring up now is Germany economy vs English economy, since you’ve graduated from players to managers.

airmark:
If Benzema is world class then Kroos, Varane, Carvajal are all world class.

Benzema is a world class player.

Bant aside.

Exonerate1:
We agree, They have the best players, the best managers, the best academies. Infact all their players are world class


It will be too funny if they still don't win this Euros

Talents from Germany can stop them from winning it, or is it late?

nihilistjnr:
When you have to question Ronaldo, in defence of your favourite German fraud, then you're a lost cause. This all started with Havertz, then they changed to German team is better, then now Ronaldo tapins.

Na me fvck up sef entertaining Ororo yarns outside a comparison to Messi.

Messup!!

TheLequte:
A lot of his goals are rebounds and him being in the right place at the right time. When a game’s intensity rises he finds it hard to keep up unlike before.

Maybe his legs can’t cover the extra 10 yard anymore?

Who knows?

What’s certain is that his performance level has dropped. It’s not a diss against him. It’s just nature.

I actually don’t watch him steady to know how he plays now, the few times I’ve watched him play were mostly in Ucl and he hardly flop.

Statistically, i thinks he’s still there.

swiz123:
You were spamming this thread with pictures of Mount's 10 inches tap in against Madrid, yet here you are shamelessly looking for who is celebrating Havertz's goals. (I never knew jumping and heading the ball is a tap in too)

While tap in sometimes reveal a players awareness and response inside the box, it also reveal how the player is reliant on his team's ability to create big chances. This is a statement of fact

Fraudvertz scored tapin, you hyped him.

Ronaldo did and still doing, you dey form Nairaland pundit.

nihilistjnr:
You dey mind the guy.

Ronaldo won highest goal scorer in Europe before he ever stepped foot in Spain, but it's Kroos with his normal 7 assists a season that was setting the tapins for Ronaldo.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.....

Most of these German fanatics here are just upset that the players they hate excellently do what they want their favorite frauds to do.

German media will hype their players, they’ll brag about it but won’t hesitate to hate on English media when they hype their players.

Legendary players will give good takes on English players, they’ll say it’s nothing but won’t hesitate to litter here with quotes when a German player get good takes from legendary players.

Same person slamming Ronaldo for tapin goals didn’t hesitate to drop unnecessary epistle when Fraudvertz scored tapin goals against Portugal and Hungary.

They are just pained the teams and players they hate, do it better.

TheLequte:
Marcelo gets a nod too, I guess.

For a team to win trophies, you only need about 2-4 exceptional players. The rest just have to be okay.

Except Ronaldo, Ramos, Benzema and Modric that are World class players, if there’s anything higher than “average/okay” but lower than “World class”, that’s what I’ll give to all Madrid players that won that Ucl.

Calling them “Okay” players dey somehow for me.

swiz123:
A good portion of Ronaldo's goals in Madrid were Tap ins...... Yet somehow, he did it all by himself.

Choose your barbers wisely, e get why

Without tapin goals, Fraudvertz fans won’t have anything to brag about in this Euro.

TheLequte:
Dude. I know this guy. He was lethal. Not anymore.

There’s a reason he hasn’t found the net in 13 consecutive games for his country. And it’s not Low.

Let me get something straight, what and what were Muller doing before that he’s not doing again?

nihilistjnr:
I think you've missed my point completely and are arguing something else.

I said Kroos is not good enough to summarily dismiss Rice in a discussion about DMs. It's not the blowout comparison that swiz123 and later capaldi were attempting to make on the basis of his trophy count, many of which were won by with very little direct impact from Kroos. Case in Point, Capaldi came and said who can we say Kroos should do it without Ronaldo, when he won UCL with Bayer...only for me to point out that Kroos didnt play after round of 16 for Bayern in the UCL that he 'won'

This not to say Kroos is a carry along in the ibime sense of the phrase, and that has not been my POV. The biggest thing Kroos fans can use to defend their man is his trophy wins, and I have proven that many of those trophies were won inspite of him. So if you want to make an argument that Kroos blows Rice out of the water, use his individual performance and let's see, but all that UCL/WC winner nonsense wont fly here.

Same Kroos that has been legless since Germany, that Bayern fans couldnt wait to get rid off, is not the one that would compared to Rice as a DM.

Now I get your point, I agree with this.

timbros:
Oh, Germany dey Ukraine, Sweden, Iceland, Greece levels?

Na so...

Yea, didn’t qualify the group’s stage of the last major tournament, couldn’t win more than one game in this Euro but conceded 7 goals.

I wonder how they are better than Ukraine.

timbros:
Yea, just like England pummel crase comot for Iceland body last Euro...

Then Germany this Euro..

nihilistjnr:
To be honest, all you need to be a winning team is a few okay players, and one or two world class talent.

This concept is true from coaltar to the bernabeu. Madrid galactico era was dismantled post 2014 and Ramos, Ronaldo, Bale, Marcelo and Modric essentially carried Madrid for the most part, Ororo especially.

Start with 2014 and look at the squad that played in UCL final, and look progressively at the team, and tell me who else was a game changer there.

Kroos isn’t a world class player but you can’t call him “Carry Along”. Not the Kroos that played with Modric and Casemiro during those Ucl wins, the Kroos that dismantled Brazil’s midfield and defense in 2014 World Cup, it's okay to call him a good player, but a “Carry along”? No, he’s not.

Mount isn’t a world class player, he didn’t give world class contributions to Chelsea’s Ucl win, but will you call him “Carry along”? No!!

Kroos was so GOOD and important to all the teams I watched him, but not anymore, reason I called him a finished player.

nihilistjnr:
Na lie.

Kroos was fortunate to be playing with some of the greatest footballers in the history of the game.

Look at some of the UCLs that were won by Kroos, and you will see that certain players individually won those tournaments for Madrid. Ronaldo, Sergio Ramos and Bale in particular.

Morata too will be shouting his a two time UCL winner with Madrid, and his great grandkids might not realise that he won those as an attache to the greatest striker of the modern era

Is it safe to say all Madrid players aside Ramos, Ronaldo, Modric and Bale are "okay" players?

TheLequte:
He was very good. But now he’s not quite as good. He doesn’t deliver anymore in high stakes matches like he used to.

He was found wanting when Bayern needed to qualify for the semis against PSG and he hardly scores for his country anymore like he used to.

He’s diminishing. Of course he can rack up stats in the farmer’s league tho

Muller is a world class player and not an OK player. He scored PSG, he had 35+ G/A last season. He's 30 if not more, how can you say he's not that good again?

When last did he bang 35+ G/A a season? Bruv we are talking about Muller of Bayern here, hope you know?

Liposure:
Ukraine upset sweden. You can't just write them off like that

Sweden never reach level wey dem dey upset.

nihilistjnr:
Finished?

Bayern fans were delighted to get rid of him in his 'prime'



Go to Bayern thread and check the posts from 2014.

Prime Kroos of Madrid was better than Kroos of Baryen.

Saying he was long finished because of how he played in Bayern before Madrid is same as saying Depay and DiMaria were long finished because of how they played in ManU.

Eg. Harvertz is an embarrassment, a disgrace and big flop in Chelsea, but watching him in Euro, you’ll agree with me that he looks like a player that will excel in Bayern.

I hope you get what I mean thou..

TheLequte:
Even Muller sef get comma. If you exclude his past exploits and focus on his recent deliverables his argument becomes shaky. Old age is catching up to him. He’s not the lethal attacker he once was.

Muller is a world class player.

He’s good.

swiz123:
I know your hatred for Havertz will make you compare him to a clown like Saka. I won't indulge you on Kross and Rice... I am not mad

Kroos is finished. Why is this hard for people to admit?

I legit watched him against Chelsea, Portugal[Renato], France and England. He’s finished, all he does now is pass side ways, can’t contest and win the ball.

Admit it.

swiz123:
I have noticed that everyone is just arguing based on agenda this days... Common sense and reason have been exiled.

Should your common sense not tell you that Germany has more quality in their respective positions than England in yesterday's match?

Neuer > Pickford
Rudiger > Stones
Kimmich> Trippier
Kross > Rice
Goretzka > Philips
Muller > Sterling
Havertz > Saka.

3 of the 4 positions not mentioned is still open to serious debate

4 clean sheet for England, while Germany conceded 7.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Emaprince:
And some baboons said Germany are better in quality than England.

Shaw became prime Roberto Carlos against Fraudmany, to tell you how shitty they are.

Bombblacks:
So Switzerland are better in quality than France because they won?

England made WC semis the last time, Fraudmany couldn’t qualify their group.

England has been better than Fraudmany in quality for the last few years alteast.

And from the look of their players, England will boss Fraudmany in the next 10 years.

Quality Fraudmany players are aging, quality England workd class players are very young.

Fact!!