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Saga16:
You're talking sheet.

US is nor China's number 1 market, Europe is.

US has pissed all former allies off and choose to stand alone.

Stand alone they must.

The Caucasians will always stick together, and japan will choose America any day any time when push comes to shove

tuoyoojo:
This would have worked if US was a manufacturing giant and if US has allies.

Right now she is fighting both friends and foes


China has been proactive unlike Europe who mortgaged their economic and military security to US thinking that a day like this would never come

China has BRICS plus, China has far reaching influence in Africa and Latin America and Asia. US is heavily dependent on China's imports. If you were a 3rd world country who would you rather pitch your tent with, US or China

All these countries you mentioned will dance to America if America dangle just a plantain. China has killed the world manufacturing base, you just don't know it. Furthermore, china don't straight up put tariff on people goods, but will make sure that your goods don't make it to outer the Chinese ports.
Who I'll choose, I'll rather chose a open devil than an economic constrictor..


If I'm lying try exporting anything of your choice to china , then try the same to America. Then compare the two

Saga16:
Who are allies of USA?

Canada?

Europe?

Europe, Japan, Korea , Canada India. So you know, these countries will grovel to America if America should dangle a plantain

Saladdin:
Now this is someone with sense and decorum talking.

Every sane human regardless of their tribe, race and religion needs to pray that China, Russia and the Axis win this economic war over the demonic West. Everyone is tired of hypocrisy, genocide and wokeism.

Some comments made earlier has led me to firmly believe that either Nairaland has been invaded by bots and paid Western agents or some people choose to be deliberately stupid.

One even stated that Africa will dump Chinese goods. Dump them for whose goods exactly?
China is the reason most Africans now own a smartphone and use sophisticated gadgets.

Left to the West, they'll prefer to make those gadgets unaffordable for us.

But some goats on this forum would prefer to support the West, who have never hidden their disdain for us over China. Very unreasonable set of people.

Dear goat, where is your reasoning. The west is evil and china is your savour. You mumu no be small. For your information, America is a fierce honey bee while china is a economic constrictor. For your level of reasoning, it will take you years to digest that

mastermaestro:
China will cave in at the end. American goods don't sell in China the way Chinese goods rely heavily on US markets. Watch as Chinese factories start folding up. US has purchasing power, that's why Trump brags.

You've not even mentioned if America should get Japan on its side. I pity Chinese hawks

Krismas:
dey play.
Israel is trash

Lol. Keep spewing this muhamedic lies

sparko1:
He can't reduce minimum wage, he can't restrict regulatory agencies, he is trying to force the companies back to the country,
But the reason they left can't be addressed.

Even those still in the country do most of the labour intensive parts in China and complete the rest in USA.

What he doesn't know is, the reverse will be the case, once everyone starts paying in the US for the tariff,
those still in the country will have an excuse to raise their price, and when they discover they are still not making enough profit
they will move as well.

Let me give you an example for cheap labour.

In Nigeria, if you want to do renovation, you can decide to pay the state government agency some money and they will allow you,
You then go ahead and employ who can do the job, be it bricklayer, painters, welder, as far as they are good, you negotiate with them
and they go ahead and do the Job.

In UK for example, you can't do that, before you begin anything, at least 3 to 5 regulatory agencies will visit, depending on if it's residential, commercial, factory, the kind of facilities that you want to use, waste management, water, gas.
Then when you want to employ workers, you can't just pick anyone, they must have certifications, register with appropriate body.
Sometimes the cost of labour is higher than materials, the right word is most time.

If I'm getting you right? When Americans start to pay for the tariffs, companies in America will join in raising their price. Why? In the nut shell,so when Chinese goods become expensive, American companies will fold and go to china

AndroBlaze:
I could repeat the same back to you too. The US market is 300 million people, China's market is 1.4 billion alone .

Also US is not actually there biggest trading partner (the no1 country though), ASEAN and EU countries exceed the value of trade with the US, and that will continue too grow, with everyone also imposing tariffs on US goods.

This battle Trump is trying to fight is a long-term battle and can never be won in the 4 years he has. Pretty stupid.

Did the next administration after Trump's first term reduce or changed trump policies against china?
What if Europe seeing that china is actually trying to kill them by slowing killing their local industry in Europe by overcapacity, great subsidies, no back ward integration for anything not Chinese and align with trump to place massive tariff on china with a promise of reduce or zero tarrif from America

inoki247:
Lol if you take your business to States are you going to be paying the same wages like the one being paid to Chinese. When you factorize US minimum wage in your cost of Production so to you it will still be cheaper...

What if it's taken to Mexico

tuoyoojo:
China said they would fight to the end

China and US need each other but trump wants to bully his way to dominance but China is no push over

The worse that can happen would soon happen, all trades with the two nations would stop.

If that happens both of them would bleed profusely

It is a useless war that would achieve nothing

They tried sanctions against Russia and Russia still prospered. US wan test the mic on china

What if America gets its allies to place similar or worst tariffs on china, with promise of zero or lower tariff.

I think China go hear am.

China Play, force Africa to buy more. And since china is in control of 70% of the processing of the world critical elements,
Then really devalue their currency to still make Chinese goods really cheap no matter the tarriff. china still have a card to play

tunapawizzy:
US sells $143bn to china, China sells $438bn to US
US is the largest importer of goods from China at $438bn, the next is Hong Kong at $138bn followed by Japan $74.11bn, South Korea $72.77 bn and Vietnam $77.83 bn.
And you think na US go still suffer am? Do you honestly think inbetween ramping up production capacity and looking at alternative markets, the US will not find a solution. Do you how many of those Chinese brains producing in China that are begging for the option of moving their production plants to US. I hope China will not use this trade war to expose herself

Bros this people no know if America promise Europe and japan great trade reduction or zero tariff if they place equally or far more greater tariff on china. China will hear whine

michroskrve:
See your life . AMERICA is not supper power when it comes to local markets. China leads. Virtually every used in USS is been produced or imported from China
America needs china

Ode confidently dey type rubbish

udemzyudex:
That's what Trump is trying to stop or reduce.

so aptly put.
In all his long posts, he still couldn't see the danger in allowing your production to go outside.
He thinks everybody is a Blackman

Krismas:
There is nothing great about Israel. All na hype, cruise and cap. Iran striking Israel was special cos NATO and certain mid-east countries like Jordan mount guide to shoot Iran missile down.

Lol

Krismas:
Iran was the great Persia civilization. It have always been great and it will always be great.
Recently Iran struck Israel twice with more than 400 missiles. Iran has to be great to do dat

Wow ! It's good to know that you tying Iran artificial greatness to Isreal

Amayabor1:
That is why you are a certified dimwit. 😅😅. Stop asking foolish questions. Asking what I will do different doesn't arise in this matter.

If you are not for or against Trump's tarrrifs, then get the Bleep out of this thread. We are all analyzing how Trump's tarrifs is either good or bad. You came here with a stupid question.

I have repeatedly showed you evidence that Trump's tarrifs is wrong. Yet, you believe you can ask me a useless question. Asking me what I would have done differently as if I have the opportunity to really do anything different.

Dunce!

You are such a faithful idiot.. thanks for proving that you have nothing upstairs and will amount to little. You also proved that you can never think critically,and will forever remain an armchair critique.
Ode since you have nothing effective to offer, you just defeated all your rants , thereby summing everything you have been saying to zero.

Ode even tried to postulate intelligence by initially saying " I'll seat down and talk to other partners" but I saw through his facade, that this fool have nothing upstairs.

Thanks for letting us know. Since you have nothing effective to contribute, forever remain silent.

Trump this trump that. Asked baba wetin you go run,baba turn to jmbecile

Krismas:
Iran is a very very great nation

Lol , a nation that can't feed it's people is a great Nation, a nation that's always death and destruction is a great nation, a nation that allowed one scam artist to deceive them is a great nation. Ire o

Krismas:
Rubbish
How about Ukraine? Morrocco?
Israel is tough? becos they are fighting a people with no Planes, no Tanks, no artillery no war ships, no 2000pound bombs, no air defense? You don't know what being a great country is

is Iran a great nation?

Amayabor1:
A fool asking a foolish question. Lol. I am not the president of the US. I just showed your hypocrisy to the world. Stop asking foolish questions and agree that Trump has messed up.

You claimed China refused to buy more products from the US after they promised to do so, that is why the US imposed tarrifs on China.

I now asked you, what did the EU, Canada, Mexico, UK, Japan, and the other countries did to deserve tarrifs. You went mute.

I also asked you why Trump disregarded the NAFTA with Caanda and Mexico to impose tarrifs on Mexico and Canada, you went mute.

Trump is making you guys look so stupid. Lol. He would have made your job easier if he had imposed tarrifs on only China. You can't defend his actions, you are now asking me a stupid question because I am the president of the US. Lol.

China doesn't have any agreement to buy more goods from the US. You don't coerce countries to buy more good from you. Ode.

The countries he has trade agreement with, he has gone against the trade agreement.

Let these 2 points sink into your empty skull.

There is an ongoing issue at hand. He left it to be asking me what I will do differently. Ode 🤣 🤣

I think someone gave this fool a phone and internet. This fool couldn't address a thing of what I'm saying, yet thinks he's so brilliant.
If you have half a brain, you will noticed I never argued for or against tarrif. My take is what will a fool like you do differently if consulted on this issue. Yet a fool like kept littering this internet space with your buffoonery. Without making any point. Mumu

Mumu like should know that in a situation like this instead of criticism like an idiot that you are, you could offer solutions.
But idiot like you kept yapping about Trump right or wrong actions

RodgersAkpafu:
You are equating Palestinians to Terrorists
And that is the major flaw in the entire argument

ok hamas

RodgersAkpafu:
you are a big fool

Don't you think those terrorists should cleared. Or you expect isreal to clear the place and still allow Palestinians to come and live there. Well isreal should copy Russia.

PlanetZero:
I'm of the opinion that isreal knows of the impending Oct 7 attack but intentional allow them to carry it out know fully what their long term plans were to take over gaza

Hamas are so dumb and they played into the trap

It's remaining the Iran question

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grandstar:
Trade deficits and tariffs are economic issues. They aren't taught in Yoruba or in Physical Education

Being an industrialised economy is no longer a big deal. Many poor countries are even industrialised like India or Indonesia.

Rich countries today should really be referred to as knowledge based economies.

As economies become richer, there comes a stage where manufacturing as a percentage of GDP begins to decline. It is services that take up the slack.

The most advanced principality in the world today is Hong Kong where over 90% of its economy relies on service

To help buttress your point, I'll add Singapore.
But truth been told, when I said, to stay ahead of the curve in a developing market. I meant a place like Africa and south america. Leave your knowledge based economy. If you want to be a superpower with influence, you need to offer this people goods and services.
Mostly, they need essential goods to survive before pandering up to what ever you want to tell them.
If you can't offer any of these, they will cozy up to whoever can offer these. That the first rule to surviving. Take Russia for example, despite them being a great military power. They don't wedge much influence around the world and the west always ridicule them. They only mostly offer weapons to countries in conflict

If I'm a consultant, and I'm asked to helped america solve it's current delulu, I'll still try to make sure manufacturing return to America and it's environ. For instance , if you lose the machinery and technical knowhow of certain process, it's harder to restart. In case of a war, you can't just open up your dock yard and start producing ships in 5 years time. Worst case even when all the smelting companies have moved abroad. China just have to take Taiwan and all the america military will go moribund. See why Intel and the rest shouldn't be allowed to go down.
And america can't ask china to produce drones for us to strike you with it in a period of war.

America need to work with mexico. Us should firstly create a zero tariff system with mexico, before moving to Europe. start weigh great influence on mexico government, ensure that some of America productions goes to mexico.
For it's lower cost of production.
Try to ensure that no Chinese companies is opening shop in mexico and most of the parts for production aren't sourced from china.
Making mexico like a semi autonomous region of America

America can still hit china with a synchronized ball with america allies, leaving china to only source for customers from Africa and iran

Amayabor1:
Stupid clown. Was Trump's tarrifs on China alone?. He imposed tarrifs on Canada, Mexico, EU, UK, south Korea, Singapore etc. So, apart from China, what has these other countries done to deserve the tarrifs? Has these other countries broken any trade agreement with the US that will make Trump impose tarrifs on them?

Let me show you how stupid you are; Trump imposed tarrifs on Canada and Mexico, against the trade agreement (North America free trade agreement, NAFTA) that he himself signed in his first term. What do you have to say about that?


You are complaining that the Chinese aren't buying more US goods (even though you can't force or corece countries to buy from you), but the trade agreement he signed with Mexico and Canada, he has destroyed it by imposing tarrifs on Canada and Mexico. He wants to eat his cake and have it. Joker!

Gosh! Uncle what will you do differently to effect an effective change. Uncle just went Yaba Yabba Yabba like a slowpoke. Right from the start you've failed the question, we still gave you a second and third chance to prove yourself, still you went berserk off the hinges into delusion, self importance and derisive exposure.

Please if someone else have a better points on what can be done differently and effectively, should please chime in. We are here to learn.

This staff meetings clown just don't get it

Amayabor1:
Lol. Be asking stupid question.

What do you expect me to do whem what Trump is saying is a lie? If I become the president of the US tomorrow and I found out that the reason Trump imposed tarrifs on other countries are all lies, what do you expect me to do?

Well, lets even assume you asked an intelligent question. I will stop the tarrifcs and hold talks with countries that I feel we need to renegotiate our trade agreements.

Lol after running like a headless chicken,you finally seem to be having your thought process right. Trump this trump that.
Good it's good you agreed there's a problem and it need fixing.
Secondly, you answer is like good goodluck Jonathan negotiating with terrorist.

Bros we need something strong,don't tell me that's all you've got in that big head of yours. I've been watching you go on and on throwing big big grammar around. Now it's time to come out intellect blazing. Remember that in 2017, trump negotiated with china for china to buy more American goods. China didn't keep up to it's promise. There's precedent.
So what's your next step?
Now don't contradict yourself for all your previous response is on display

grandstar:
I won't argue with you. I have always believed in round pegs for round holes.

16 Nobel laurates in economics condemned Trump's proposed tariffs as far back June last.

If they have spoken, why should I listen to you. You aren't an economist and are not willing to listen

I too knew his policies were what you'd expect from kids in primary. The tanking of the US economy after the incompetent-in-Chief applied tariffs like someone on Colorado.

Even Okonji-Iweala condemned them.

That should be enough evidence that what he's doing is a complete bunkum.

Watch below:


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7489473337110940958/

Lol fine after breaking down and debunking all your defence points, you are now running to economics to save you. I like dealing with people like you,after beating them from the fence to the loo, back to the fence, they start calling their elder brother to save them

If you know you don't having any solid arguments, you shouldn't have come on a public forum and be saying it isn't bad if all ones product is made in china.

Now to your senior brothers that you ran to call Help me tell them that my position still stand that " concerning the trade deficit, declining manufacturing base something needs to be done. (I never argued for or against tariffs) and Nigeria not needing america or china to be great". My position still stand. Go tell them.



Come come



Next time think from an open mind. If you ask me on ways for china to defeat america, I'll still think with an open heart and give you abswers

Amayabor1:
The first question you should ask yourself is this; is it true that all other countries have been taking advantage of the US in terms of trade?

Is it true that those tarrifs that Trump said other countries charges the US, are those figures really true?

Let me give you an example. Trump said Vietnam charges 90% tarrifs on US imports. So, he imposed 46% tarrifs on Vietnam imports. But is it really true that Vietnam imposes 90% tarrifs on US imports?

The way some of you believe this pathological liar of a president is something else. That was how he deceived you people that he won 2020 election and was rigged and people like you believed him.
Sorry!

Vietnam charges an average of 9.4% tarrfics on US imports. But he told empty heads like you that it is 90% and you all believed him.

That was how he said the US subsidies canada with 250 billion dollars every year. How?

Gosh! Just one question. What will you do differently, and you went on rant of what trump did. Gosh

Amayabor1:
Actually, Trump is the one crying that other countries are taking advantage of the US. Am I the one that said it? 😅😅.

You and Trump will continue to wail. 😅. If he thinks other countries are taking advantage of the US, then he should ban all importation from other countries and let other countries ban importation from the US. Let's see who will suffer.

Ozuor 😅

Ok let's all pretend you are smart. If you are the president of America, what would you do differently?

grandstar:
You reducing yourself to insults belittles you. It is usually what the intellectually weak cling to when they have nothing tangible to say.

The fact that you think Dullard Trump has something up there says a lot about you. That slowpoke just crashed the stockmarket and is destroying the US economy.

You have a poor understanding of economics. If the US wanted to be a juggernaut in ship manufacturing, it could easily go so but it would hurt it. It would be pouring resources into an industry it has little competitive advantage.

You keep repeating this myth that US manufacturing is dead. It isn't! It has the seond largest manufacturing capacity in the world. It is far from dead. The combined capacity of the next three after the US don't match its capacity!

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/blog/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-world/

Top Manufacturing Countries

China – 31.6% Global Manufacturing Output
United States – 15.9% Global Manufacturing Output
Japan – 6.5% Global Manufacturing Output
Germany – 4.8% Global Manufacturing Output
India – 2.9% Global Manufacturing Output
South Korea – 2.7% Global Manufacturing Output
Russia – 1.8% Global Manufacturing Output
Italy – 1.8% Global Manufacturing Output
Mexico – 1.7% Global Manufacturing Output
France – 1.6% Global Manufacturing Output

US high labour of $70 versus $40 in Canada and $6 in Mexico is why companies are shifting factories there or import goods from there. There are products the US does quite well in despite its labour cost. This, it focuses on.


If Nigeria can see through china and the west and do away with both

This is humourou.s Without China, a barrel of crude oil would be $20, and the Naira would $1-N3,500.

China could even make Nigeria a manufacturing juggernaut by adding the country to the Belt and Road Initiative.


https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/blog/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-world/

Lol . You can't tell tell me you haven't sold yourself for a bowl of rice. Brah how can you tell me you aren't fani kayode. When you talk like this? Nigeria joining the belt and nonsense initiative. A scheme that's design to leave countries politically, mentally economically forward indebted to china.
A scheme that meant to open up your local market for Chinese goods and kill off local competition. Or don't you know that china is killing the world economy, leaving the world depended on china? Or have you or anyone you know tried exporting to china recently?

In ship building, tell me how will a country that that wants a free and fair trade limits foreign built ships from making port at it's port.

Lol you pulling out stats to show that america is still second in world manufacturing table. Can you pull up a bar chart about these and project where america will be in 30yeaes time if nothing is done about it. Tomorrow people go dey wonder why Nigeria no grow, them no go know say we have people that thinks like you occupying top seats.

You even went ahead to brag that if not for china, oil will be $20 per barrel. Gosh! This surviving by the skin of your teeth mentality you have to will be your undoing. Nigeria shouldn't need oil or china or america to be great. Can't you think importantly for once!

Amayabor1:
Ode! 😅🤣🤣

Trump is the one crying that the whole world is taking advantage of America. This is just the beginning of more wailing to come. 😅🤣

Even Nigeria is taking advantage of America according to Trump. 😅😅.

China will continue to flood the US with Chinese goods. You and Trump will continue wailing till the end of time. 😅

When you can't think like a consultant but be thinking emotionally. Fools like you shouldn't be given oxygen

RodgersAkpafu:
Zero for Zero is not bad

But in such an arrangement
America go still lose
So I wonder if trump will take it

Good thinking if America should take it, they should set a supply and demand equilibrium

grandstar:
Who told you the US isn't doing great now? Last year, economic growth was 2.8%, inflation was 2.9% and unemployment rate was 4% which basically means full employment. It is Trump that wants people to think the opposite, so he can take the glory when things are "good."

Trump messed up during the pandemic. Everyone knew that. The ventilators weren't the problem. His incompetence was.

There is nothing wrong when you go to a country's supermarket and everything is from China. If there's a pragmatic reason for it, then it is okay. The why is what counts in economics. China was once a low cost producer due to its huge population, and it started from a low base after the end of Communisk as it was desperately poor. It also build excellent infrastructure which made it a manufacturers paradise.

The cheap cost advantage is no longer strong. Wages are quite high now. Many manufacturers are moving to other countries like Vietnam and Indonasia where wages are much lower.

In addition, the Chinese economy isn't doing that well again. Economic growth is barely 0.5%. Exports are no longer powering the economy like before. Its investment boom has long blown out. Their ecoinomy is in serious trouble.

So, all this sleepness nights about China has achieved nothing.

The myth that the US isn't a manufacturing juggernaut is laughable. It has the second largest manufacturing capacity based on value.

It can't be the joint venture capital in the world without a manufacturing base.

Trump is living in the past.

You ain't talking like strategist, you are seeing from one side of your eyes. You said it isn't bad if when a country supermarket is filled with Chinese goods. Do you even know how dangerous that is?
America used to have the biggest ship building capacity, now it's all a shadow of its self

When your manufacturing base is long dead and skilled knowhow isn't there anymore, do you know how dangerous that is in terms of war?
When your manufacturing base is gone, how do you stay ahead of the curve in developing markets
Or you think china using subsides, overcapacity and no backward integration to kill off the world economy doesn't know what's doing.
Ask the Europeans about what happened to their solar panels industries

Fools like you and rilwayone and others on this forum don't think strategically, but with emotions.

If Nigeria can see through china and the west and do away with both. Our cottage industry comes to mind


Trump might be doing it wrongly, but something have to done. Fools