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Janosky:
No Sir.
The info is in our journals way back ....
From time to time we published reminders (or updates) to keep JW's informed.

That practice became public knowledge because of access to the internet & the newspapers assumed it's "doctrinal change".
Our Bible based principle is still the same,Acts 15:28-29.

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If you were a Jehovah's witness in the 1980's ,you would have known it's a personal decision to dictate how you want your physicians to handle your blood in the course of a medical procedure.

It was never your personal decision not until this recent update.

Janosky:
No Sir.
The info is in our journals way back ....
From time to time we published reminders (or updates) to keep JW's informed.

That practice became public knowledge because of access to the internet & the newspapers assumed it's "doctrinal change".
Our Bible based principle is still the same,Acts 15:28-29.

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If you were a Jehovah's witness in the 1980's ,you would have known it's a personal decision to dictate how you want your physicians to handle your blood in the course of a medical procedure.

No sir! This is wrong! Please can you kindly snap and show us the contents of the blood card you carry around? Let's see what's written there.

Wait I have one let me show you.

jmichael259:
Did the video say otherwise? Have they started doing blood donation, soliciting blood banks or accepting blood transfusion?
What are you really dragging or you just get turned on at the mention of some certain religion?

Yes oo! The video says otherwise.

The 2000 publication you are quoting makes it very clear that, you guys should abstain from taking blood, whether you own the blood or not they don't care, as far as it's out of your body you can't take it in!

But, this video update said you can now take blood if you want to as long as you are the one who owns the blood no issue again!!!

So, as you can see, they are two different thing.. infact that's what English people call change

I know you lack the capacity to comprehend all these though, it's not your fault.. that's how the majority of you guys are.

[quote author=jmichael259 post=138866497][/quote]Is that the only thing you saw there? What about the declaration?

"However, such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out-returned to God,"

"Nevertheless, Jehovah's Witnesses respect the principles God included in it, and they are determined to 'abstain from blood.' Hence, we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be 'poured out.' That practice conflicts with God's law."

jmichael259:
With many of the therapy or surgical procedures may warrant blood leaving the body to be stored, filtered and reused within the Theatre.
The grey area in this part you keep pasting is the word storage possibly in blood banks for a longer term. That was not mentioned in this announcement. Inadvertently nothing has changed. Ultimately it's still a personal decision. So, no new policy here. End of quotes.

Aaaah! Guy! Are you the one that released the update abi na your GB i don't understand I'm seeing your own words here oo.. entirely different from what was released.. infact you're trying so hard to justify this thing why?

Even when everything is right here in front of you!

jmichael259:
Like I said, this announcement is a clarification and this is stated multiple times in the video. This might have been necessitated due to the increasing medical options that involves one's own blood or maybe some people were beginning to try to dictate for others what to do with their own blood.
As you can see among the screenshots from the video, as far back as TWENTY SIX YEARS AGO, the October 15 2000 Watchtower article already stated what was repeated, elaborated or clarified in this video. "Each person will decide what to do with their own blood" -this is not a new policy!
SO, PLEASE TELL ME. WHAT HAS CHANGED? Have they started accepting blood bank and blood donation?

This change!!!

jmichael259:
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Storage in blood bank and Transfusion still remains prohibited. So what changed?

Filtration, cell salvage and almost everything mentioned here is something that has always been based on personal decision.
As I said, this announcement sounds more like an elaboration of things already standing so that more people will become aware of their options. No shift in their transfusion policy. Not even an inch.

I don't think you have even read or watched the announcement at all!

Omo I don tire for una oo!

Bellow is the message from your governing body themselves, now read and tell me how is it still prohibited?




For that reason, many Christians accept simple procedures, such as blood tests, as well as more complicated procedures involving their own blood, such as the use of heart-lung machines, cell-salvage devices, and kidney dialysis treatments. However, the list of treatment options continues to grow.



Therefore, after much prayer and consideration of the Scriptures, the Governing Body has decided to clarify our position on the use of a patient’s own blood in medical and surgical care. The clarification is this: Each Christian must decide for himself how his own blood will be used in all medical and surgical care. This includes whether to allow his own blood to be removed, stored, and then given back to him.



What does this mean? Some Christians may decide that they would allow their blood to be stored and then be given back to them. Others may object. Each Christian must make his personal decision on all matters involving the use of his own blood with regard to medical or surgical care.



In review, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. However, we obey the apostolic command to abstain from blood. Furthermore, the Bible does not comment on the use of a person’s own blood in medical and surgical care. Therefore, like other choices about health care, each Christian must make his own decision about the use of his own blood in all medical and surgical care.

MaxInDHouse:
You have been condemning my religion since and i said you shouldn't worry it's simply because my God and your God differ yet you are this worried.

Would you have asked those questions if it's a Muslim or traditionalist or Hindu or Buddhist or Judaist that said this to you?

Ọmọ i'm not the cause of your frustration my God differ from yours that's why we can't agree on terms and conditions regarding faith in God!🙂

How did I condemn your religion?

What we are discussing here is about the update, so how is that condemnation?

I'm i the Governing body that that decides to change their doctrine?

jmichael259:
NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
I DON'T GET WHAT ALL THESE ONLINE BLOGGERS ARE FUSSING ABOUT?🤷🏻‍♂️
Storage and Transfusion are still prohibited. I've read about this CELL SALVAGE AND BYPASS MACHINE stuff SOMETIMES IN THE 2000s.
Maybe this recent announcement is for emphasis or elaboration.

What hasn't change? Have you been storing your blood and reusing it before??!!

Seriously I don't! Is it that you guys just don't want to see or what? Someone even just post your article from 2000 above and you are still saying this

Emusan:
Copying and pasting this won't remove the lies you people are trying to cover up.

"But this this is right :
Your own blood is collected during the surgery, cleaned, and returned to you at the same time"

If this is what you mean the GB meant.

Why, did the announcer say STORE and REUSE?

Also, the Watchtower article referencing in that announcement clearly against STORING OWN BLOOD FOR REUSE.

See the screenshot below

It is well with you people sha...

My brother just let them be, e dey very obvious say people we are arguing with don't have brains..

I have never see were someone will just sitdown and be arguing blindly even when the evidence is before them!

Just because they want to please men!

MaxInDHouse:
If you can't prove anything other than arguing on what is written in books i think you and i aren't on the same page.

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses i can sit an atheist who doesn't believe in any God or books and convince him or her why i believe in the Bible God so i won't start quoting the book but reason logically with him.

See examples of what i'm saying:






































These people are from different schools of thought ranging from atheists to agnostics, traditionalists and Churchians.

So if all you can do is rely solely on what is written in that book without being able to reason logically to convince others why they should believe the Bible it's clear you and i aren't on the same page!🙂

Guy is very obvious you don't know what you are saying or what you are arguing about!

I only ask you to explain what you mean by your statement "our god" and you haven't said anything meaningful since, rather you're busy beating round the bush!

Guy if you are jobless, which i know most of you are, I'm not! I have more important things to do, rather than coming here dragging things around with you.

MaxInDHouse:
What makes you feel the Bible God and and Jesus of the Bible are real?
Don't just quote what is written in that book now but give me logical reasons that any sane person could grasp even though such a person doesn't believe in the Bible!🙂

Why do you keep ignoring my questions and expecting me to indulge you... nah! Can't happen

kinsnazzy:
When a medical article or doctor says “other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood,” it usually means:

The doctor uses your own blood during the surgery itself, not blood stored from someone else.

This does not automatically mean storing blood far in advance.

Does it mean storing your blood ahead of time?

Sometimes yes — but not always.

There are two different things, so it’s good to separate them:

1. Note this this is wrong : Not stored in advance (most common)

But this this is right :
Your own blood is collected during the surgery, cleaned, and returned to you at the same time.

Examples:

Cell salvage (cell saver) — blood lost during an operation is collected, filtered, and given back to you immediately.

Acute normovolemic hemodilution (ANH) — just before surgery begins, a small amount of your blood is temporarily removed, kept beside you in the operating room, then re-infused during the operation.

Note: This blood is not “stored” in a blood bank.
It stays with you during the whole process.

Jehovah’s Witnesses often consider these acceptable if the blood is kept in immediate connection with the body **(but each person chooses individually)**.

2. Stored ahead of time (pre-operative autologous donation)
Here, a person gives their own blood days or weeks before surgery. It is stored in a blood bank and then used during the operation.

This is long-term storage.
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not accept this, because once the blood is stored separately, outside the body, they view it as no longer part of the person.

Please this your analysis did you come up to it by yourself or it was written b4 in one of your publications? If it was written b4 in your publications, kindly reference us to it.

Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
"There are many gods" says the Bible {1Corinthans 8:5} and these gods are pretending to be the true God or from the true {2Corinthians 11:14} so that means a demon can choose to answer the name Jesus but it's worshipers will not know they are not doing anything for the real Jesus and so he does not even know them. Matthew 7:21-23

Please do you believe these things and if you do base on this fact are you worshiping the same God with all the religions around you?🙂

Exactly!!

So, based on what you said here, since you know there gods.. which of them are you serving? And from your analysis which of them do you think I'm serving since you have said me and you are serving different gods!!

Please I'm waiting

MaxInDHouse:
Mr Eldeedon if you don't know what to say in reply it's simple.

There are thousands of religions around you that you won't agree with them as your fellow worshipers even among churches of Christendom there is segregation as Catholics will say all others are false, Pentecostals will say white garment churches are false, i can still remember T.B Joshua of Synagogue most Pentecostals tag him as devil incarnate but what makes all of you so disturbed about JWs?

You're all eyewitnesses of our faith in action so there is no religion that can say Jehovah's Witnesses aren't servants of the true God but because we insist that only our members are worshipers of our God you people are disturbed and worried.

Good night!🙂

What makes you feel like jw are the true servants of God? Don't tell me that's what your governing body told you. Give me real proof.

And then what makes you so sure that it's the false God I am serving?

I need your

MaxInDHouse:
Are you worshiping the same God with all kinds of religions around you?🙂

That's what I want you to tell me.. what kind of God are you worshipping? Since you used the word "our God"

And also, tell me the religions that are around us!

I will be earnestly waiting for your responses

Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
It's just jealousy that's worrying people like you what i believe has practically nothing to do with you.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't shout in your streets calling you bad.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't call you bad for not being JWs

Jehovah's Witnesses don't preach that you people are bad.

All we are saying is only our members are worshipers of our God but you are disturbed by guilty conscience as you can see faith in action among JWs and you feel we should accept you as our fellow worshipers something that is not true!🙂

"Our God" what do you mean by that ?

MaxInDHouse:
In a nutshell there are many religions tagging people "worldly" for one reason or another.

So what exactly are you saying now?

You know exactly what I'm saying! If you say you don't know that's on you!!

What a big waooo

Now blood transfusion is suddenly safe! As far as is coming from your own body and entering it back

Praise governing body

Janosky:
When the dentist give you anaesthetics & commence tooth extraction , the red substance from the incision dey enter your system,
Oga,is that a blood donation or B.T ?

No.

This is the simple meaning of B.T:

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blood transfusion
/ˈblʌd tran(t)sfjuːʒ(ə)n/
A blood transfusion is a safe, common medical procedure where donated blood or components (red cells, platelets, plasma) are delivered intravenously into a patient's bloodstream."

Oga, the difference is B.T. is donated blood to another patient.

You don't donate your own blood for your own surgical procedure.

Oga,use your brain nau.

Janosky:

Since the late 1970/80s to this time 2026, our fellow JW's & JW's publications have always emphasized it's a "personal decision".

The News media nah dem put the label "new policy shift", new doctrinal adjustments" blah blah blah. to gain people's attention.

You & dem know say any JW's matter nah front page news.

Then who wrote this?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you mention a single religion that doesn't use that tag?

Even Muslims are using it not to mention Christendom Churches!🙂

We don't just sit down and call people worldly because we do not worship in the same church.. I understand the Bible warns about ‘the world,’ but it’s talking about sinful behavior, not labeling everyone outside one group. There are many people outside your organization who sincerely follow God too.

Janosky:
This is a reality you may have experienced.
When you do tooth extraction, nah where the red substance in your mouth dey enter?


Oga, it's a personal decision you alone would make .

Since when did it become my personal decision?

If you were asked this same question by this time last week, how would you have answered me ?

MaxInDHouse:
Have you seen any JW in your street shouting that you are bad people?

Have you heard any JW telling you that you are bad people?

Have any JWs call you bad simply because you are not a JW?

Ọmọ nah conscience dey disturb unah that's why i said it's jealousy making you people speak, all we are saying is you can't be a worshiper of our God if you are not worshiping with us.

The same thing all other religions are saying globally but your conscience will not let you rest because you people are seeing faith in action among JWs so you just want us to agree with you that we are your fellow worshipers which is not true!🙂

Where does the tag "worldly people" comes from?

Make una they try do research for una own documents! At least this one now is not from an external source you people will call apostate work

Janosky:

Like I said before, on this forum.
It's the mainstream news media that labelled the practice that JW's have been doing since the late 1970s/80s down to this 2026 as "new policy shift".

That hundeyin guy was a toddler when the info was first published in our journals,you know not everybody reads JW's publications ,hence they wouldn't know what every JW's know about this matter.
The info is in our older publications (before the advent of the internet) that the matter is a personal decision (jw broadcast update #2 video) stated the same thing and referenced our Watchtower year 2000 October article as reminder to all JW's worldwide .
Not everyone could access the older Watchtower articles , but our TV broadcast is widely received everywhere.

Guy is very obvious you don't even know about the religion you claim to be with that much or you don't even study your own religion. You only follow the instructions giving to you, nothing else..

So, the year 2000 you reference is very obvious you didn't even read that page, if you do you will see this part in it!

Guy you really fall ur organization hand oo I swear...

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ when a JW say it's done he will not come back to you again but you people can't even stand on what you say.
If you're talking about our faith that is our property it has practically nothing to do with you o!🙂

Yes it has everything to do me! Everybody has his or right to do and to blv what ever he or she want to blv! You can't keep on telling me that I'm the bad guy why you are the good guy and expect us to keep quiet.

You guys can't keep on telling the whole world that you guys are the only true Christians why the rest of us are nothing and expect us to keep quiet

Janosky:
Is doing oral action disobeying the instruction "abstain from fornication" ?

You see oral action in Acts 15:28-29?

But is it now possible for me to take in my own blood now if I want to??

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you said:



This is why you people are jealous of Jehovah's Witnesses when we speak we stick to our words if you can't stick to your own word how can you stick to God's word?🙂

The most inconsistent people i have ever known when it comes to sticking to their words

MaxInDHouse:
NA wah o!

So you never REST YOUR CASE?🤣

I'm with you spiritually

MaxInDHouse:
This is why you people can't make real disciples like Jehovah's Witnesses does so when you see really dedicated men and women sticking to what they have learned you become so jealous that you can't control yourselves anymore.

There is nothing wrong in asking questions but then if someone doesn't answer all your questions all you need to do is bring back the question you will like the person to address but when you continue insulting someone simply because he chooses to respond to you regarding what he believes then you will loose it.

Go out there and make real dedicated disciples like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES if you feel you have knowledge o!🙂

Hahaha

He said jealous! Jealous of what please? So, because we are pointing out the areas where you guys are wrong in your doctrines means we are jealous abi?

Janosky:
Oga, be humble pls.
No dey assume you know everything.
JW's have contingency support group to deal with the emergencies like accidents ,etc for our members when the need arises.
Every JW's know how to go about it instanta..



Abeg you read the screenshot.

If you guys have this perfect contingency on ground thats already working, then tell me what's the need of this update that was released few days ago??

Abeg make us understand the need of the update..

I'm waiting....

MaxInDHouse:
Are you here for a revenge or facts involving the faith of JWs?🙂

Revenge ke! Lol... I'm only stating the obvious.