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Tomgerald:
Just like a brother has said earlier, the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and Rapture are two different events!
1. First of all, rapture will take place for the Christians who have cleanse themselves from all filthiness while
2. Jesus will come again after rapture and the millennium reign (which is the reign of Satan and his followers), those who repented and change their ways will be taking to heaven by Jesus himself.
Thank you and happy Sunday.

lies. there is only one resurrection in the Bible for the believers not two. Christ is coming once again not twice again.

derecho:
The Rapture and Christ Second Coming are two different things.Personal beliefs is immaterial
Study your Bible to understand yourself.

The important thing is be prepared to meet God.

they are not,... you are the one who needs Bible study .

BloomingDale:
Women cope better with loneliness then men and most oftentimes don’t mind staying on their own. Statistics show that the happiest and longest lived women are single and childless, while it is the opposite for men, meaning that men are a source of stress for women. Also there are more men than women. The least vulnerable women are those that are better educated with good jobs and earning more financially etc.

this is ridiculous!!! men are a source of stress for women? women cope better with loneliness? for your info men are independent human beings women are not. you must not be from earth. every thing you said here, I am sorry to say is never true except the fact that there are more men than women. And even that is relative.

quadriolakunle:
Still available

your location let me give you 45

Kobojunkie:
Disintegration has absolutely nothing to do with this prophesy, so you continuing to bring it up when it plays no part in what is written means your ideas probably come from that which you were taught by others and not from you in fact processing what is written as it is written.
Daniel 7 tells you the Fourth beast was killed and thrown into the fire. The explanation provided in verse 26 explains that the Fourth Kingdom ends completely, not that it is then divided into 10 different kingdoms as you continue to assert. And nowhere in the prophecy are you either told the Fourth Kingdom takes on a new form. The prophecy says the Fourth Kingdom is destroyed... Its power, might, and place are gone from the earth.

Your Vatican in Rome today is nothing of the Roman Empire that formerly existed. It is instead a business empire that does not compare in any way or form to the Roman empire of Old.

you have actually proven yourself a waste of my time. empty words without any historical or factual backup is just and empty word. so pls don't quote me again I have no time to waste with you.

Kobojunkie:
1. You don't like to read statements in context it seems . Here is what Verse 41 tells you instead of what you assume.
It speaks of the feet being indicative of an internal division that exists among the peoples, a weakness in the fourth Kingdom..

2. Daniel 8 said something entirely different from what is expressed in Daniel 2 vs 41 of the fourth Kingdom..

3. Historical fact? You are told that a rock will hit the iron/clay feet of the statue, eventually causing not only the Fourth Kingdom to crumble but also the other nations to also crumble in power and might. That rock eventually grows to become a mountain. That rock is Jesus Christ and the everlasting Kingdom which will do away with other nations is the Kingdom of God.

Then in Daniel 7, you are told that the Fourth beast which represents the fourth Kingdom will be killed off and thrown into the fire, while the other Kingdoms will be allowed to exist for a while longer. History does record this well too.

I have seen that you refused to understand. prove to me that the Roman empire did not disintegrate. otherwise please don't quote me again.

Kobojunkie:
1. The story does not speak of 10 kingdoms but of 10 kings who existed at the time of the setting up of the Kingdom of God. Theses were probably of the 12 1st century Roman emperors as they were those who persecuted the ones that are referred to as God's Holy people.

2. This idea of yours that Roman empire split up into 10 parts is not a part of the prophesy which instead indicates instead that the Fourth beast was killed and its bother thrown into the fire. This assumption of yours that Rome's power continues is a religious form is not of the prophecy but of the delusions of men who in their minds seek to give power to what is the catholic church where there is no mention of it in any of what is written.

Learn to stick to the story as given instead.

no need wasting my time with you. all I need you to do is prove it with historical facts.

Kobojunkie:
1. Because you assessment of what is written is completely off.

that is because you can't understand simple things.

Kobojunkie:
2. Forget the soundbite doctrines informing you of what horns represent and pay attention instead to what is in fact written. In Daniel 2 for instance, you are told that the Fourth Kingdom is divided because the people of the Kingdom did not exist as a united entity. So, it was never the case that the Fourth Kingdom consisted instead of several different kingdoms, but instead that the Fourth Kingdom, the unit that it was, had a people divided amongst themselves.

ancient Rome was an empire that consisted of several tongues and races. after the fall of the Roman empire these tongues and races split from the Roman kingdom and formed their own kingdom with their own kings. what is difficult to understand here. if the is the case as history has proved , then it is common sense to know that these kingdom that split from the Roman empire are not as United as they where when they were under the Roman empire. common sense!!

Kobojunkie:
So when the rock was thrown at the weakness that was the division between the peoples of the Fourth Kingdom, it brought down, not only the Fourth Kingdom but all the 4 Kingdoms combined. Can you guess what that rock is - the rock that became a mountain that covered the whole earth?

the rock in this case is the "rock of ages" who is Jesus Christ . because you don't know the Bible you don't know this. when Jesus finally ends the fourth kingdom who is ruling the world now , then all form of rulership or government by man will end with it simple!!!!

Kobojunkie:
What is even more fascinating is that right there in Daniel 2 vs 44 is revealed the identity of the 10 Kings/horns of Daniel 7. They are the 10 kings that existed from before the birth of Jesus Christ through to the approximate time the first Christians/apostles were all killed off(or maybe afterwards), this is the period during which God is said to have set up His everlasting Kingdom, according to verse 44. Can you guess now what the everlasting Kingdom God set up during the time of the 10 Kings is?

Rome is the fourth kingdom and if that is the case then Rome was still intact as at when Christ was born and when the first apostles were killed off. history proves me right. your re wasting my time. these 10 kingdoms are existing now and will come to an end when Christ comes back to destroye the current government and establish his own. that is when the everlasting kingdom will be established.

Kobojunkie:
3. the Fourth Kingdom seized to exist when the roman Empire lost its place and was split up into other Nations, almost 1500 years ago. September 4, 476 AD to be exact. There is no longer a roman empire or power. What instead exists is a small country called Italy with Rome as its capital city.

Rome as a political entity ceased to exist but continued as are a religious entity when Constantine left Rome and gave his sit and authority to the Roman church. it is also evident from history that the Catholic church came into political power in rome due to the power vacum of the Roman empire.

this religious entity is what the Bible refers to as the fourth kingdom. because they rule in place and in the power of the ancient Roman empire.

Kobojunkie:
4. We pretty much know what the fourth kingdom was. it no longer exists today and, we also know the identity of all 10 kings that were pointed out in that Prophesy. Another thing we know is the identity of the other 3 kingdoms, some of which continue to exist to this day.

you don't know what your talking about.

Kobojunkie:
Go back through the 2 chapters - Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 - , forgetting all the soundbites you have previously been taught regarding prophesy and trying to see for yourself that the prophecy has already taken place. Nebuchadnezzar's dream has come to pass.

at this point I will say this is bullshit. come to me with facts.

43Ronin:
Bro Rome lost its power in 1798 when napoleon conquered it and lmprisoned pope pius till his death.

yes this is correct. but Rome was also behind the arrest and imprisonment of the pope . let me expalain;. the Jesuits were the power behind Napoleon. in 1773 when pope Clement disbanded the Jesuits , some of them ran off to the island of Corsica where they found a little boy by the name of napoleon. it was the Jesuits who tutored Napoleon and made him what he became. Napoleon was simply a tool of the Jesuit order.

he was used by the Jesuit to cause the French Revolution. by 1798 when pope Clement refused to re-establish the Jesuit order , the Jesuits used Napoleon to capture and imprison the pope till he died in captivity. and the new pope re-established the Jesuit order in 1814.

this is a famouse quote from Napoleon about the Jesuits.

""The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious
order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere
father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this
organization is power - power in its most despotic
exercise - absolute power, universal power, power to
control the world by the volition of a single man.
Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms - and at the
same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses.""
--- Napoleon Bonaparte


ever since then the Jesuits have been working under ground to bring back the Vatican into full political prominence and this was fulfilled in 1929 when Benito Mussolini signed a concordant known as the Lateran treaty establishing the Vatican as a political entity.

all this events where prophecied in the book of revelation 13 ,about the beast that rose out of the sea and had a wound on one of its head but the wound was healed. this wound happend in 1798 with Napoleon taking the Roman church out of political prominence but was healed in 1929 when the Vatican came back into politics.

Kobojunkie:
In Daniel 2, you are instead told that the people of the Fourth kingdom were divided amongst themselves, not that the Kingdom itself was split up into 10 other kingdoms. That's what the feet made of both clay and iron represent, the Fourth Kingdom's weakness which is that its people were not united on any front except that they existed as one Kingdom.

you are wasting my time. do you want to make reasonable argument or you just want to confuse yourself? Daniel 2:41 makes it clear that the kingdom shall be divided. it never said they will remain as one kingdom and this is evidenced by history. Daniel 8:8 also said the same thing about the kingdom Greece dividing into four kingdoms symbolised by four horns, and this is also evidenced by history. because history has it that after the death of Alexander his four generals took over and divided his empire , these generals are Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy and seleucus. this is historical fact. so you can see that horns in Bible prophecy represent kings and kingdoms.

how ever if you can prove whatever you say with historical fact then I will take you serious but for now you are not serious.

Kobojunkie:
1. Are you certain your assessment is what is in fact written in Daniel 7? Maybe you should read it again.

100% if you doubt tell me why?

Kobojunkie:
The explanation given of the fourth animal says nothing of the kingdom it represents being divided into 10 parts. Instead, it speaks of 10 kings that will rule in succession in the 4th kingdom, with the 11th king being the one who rises at the time that 3 other kings are taken out. ten horns arose out of the fourth beast.

horn in this Bible prophecy represents kings, kings have kingdoms that is common sense. Daniel 2: 41 makes it clear that the fourth kingdom was DIVIDED meaning they existed separately and simultaneously. this kingdoms was not succeeding each other but existed independently. also out of the fourth beast came out ten horns, these horns represents ten kings or kingdom. so you are wrong my friend.

Kobojunkie:
2 & 3. Your claims do not follow what is in fact written in the same chapter of Daniel 7
According to the above passage, the 4th Kingdom/beast was destroyed, meaning it ceased. This while the other kingdoms continued to exist, but all their authority and rule over others were taken away from them.

very very good . now this goes even further to prove what I said that Rome still rules till this day.

you have to understand biblical language. the four kingdoms ruled in succession of each other . these four kingdoms are Babylon, medo-persia, Greece and Rome being the last and we know for a fact that in history that Babylon, medo-persia Greece were not in power when Rome ruled as world power. the fourth kingdom is the last kingdom that will be destroyed by Christ himself. this does not mean that the other kingdoms continued after it was destroyed. remember Daniel said to the king Nebuchadnezzar that "he was the head of gold and after you will come another inferior to you" in the image that represents the world powers that will succeed one another.

the fourth kingdom was the primary focus of the prophecy that is why more details was given about it. but after that, Daniel turned his focus on the other kingdoms that came before the fourth kingdom and explained that these kingdoms had their dominion taken away i.e they succeeded each other and ruled for somtime ( before the existence of the fourth kingdom). this is because these kingdoms rulership came to an wnd by the hands of men but the end of the fourth kingdom came by the hand of God not men.

OgaNightmare:
The title of the book

it focuses more on how the Vatican virtually or actually created the United States of America and uses it as it's sword arm. the title is "rulers of evil" by Frederick Tupper saussy.

you can even search for a PDF version of it in Google and start from their.

OgaNightmare:
It can't just be the Bible and historical records many scholars have those two things but still come up with absurd interpretations of that prophecy.
The reason why I asked is that your own was more coherent than the rest and connected the historical events accurately

I did research, the Bible is a book of history on it own. all I did was try to connect historical records with what the Bible says and I was blown. I have no particular book I can recommend to you , but you can use Google to research this and find out the same thing I am telling you. you will discover things they hardly tell you in history class.

but I can recommend a book that proves even further that the Vatican runs the world. after reading that book your eyes will be open

OgaNightmare:
I will look further into this since I'm a good student of history. Your argument was sound and based on real historical events that I know . Nonetheless it is still open to debate

yes it is open to debate, if you don't find anything accurate.

OgaNightmare:
Which exegetical commentary or theological book are you using?
You have a lot of valuable info up there.
I'm intrigued totally different explanation of that prophecy, compared to the ones I've heard and read.

the Bible and historical records.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sitting comfortably!

good!!

how does this work?

MaxInDHouse:
I keep quoting Christ and you keep relating the idea to Jehovah's Witnesses which means only JWs are the Church of Christ if that's the group practicing what Christ taught!

lol,..I said go sit down.

MaxInDHouse:
People preached and teach to gather people as Christians nobody become a Christian automatically! Matthew 28:19-20
So it's the law of Christ that binds them together not some individual thought! John 17:20-23

I said you are not a member of the body but of JW. leave argument go sit down

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and learn, the Christ has no business with any individual but the church.

When it comes to personal relationship Jesus directed his listeners to God {Matthew 6:6} so with the one and only true God {Mark 12:29} each person can build a personal relationship but for salvation all believers must join the church {Luke 18:18-23} the true God opens His hands to bless and provide for everyone whether you're good or evil {Matthew 5:45} but when it comes to salvation each individual must find the path to everlasting life which only few are finding it {Matthew 7:13-14} and through this narrow path you follow the Christ along with the Church in order to be led together with all those having the same line of thought with God and Christ! John 17:22

So our salvation is in the body of Christ which is the Church {Ephesians 4:12} but each individually must build a personal relationship with the true God just as Jesus Christ himself build a personal relationship with his father. Luke 6'12
Sorry my friend you can't have any personal relationship with Christ because he came to build the church so that through the church you can know how to follow him! Matthew 16:19

you are busy typing words that prove nothing. what you call church is denominations founded by men. the church is the individual who truelly have faith in Christ. this faith does not come by going to church or just being religious, it come through the study and understanding of the word of God.
you are not a member of the body of Christ , you are a member of Jehovah's witness founded not by Christ but by taze Russel.

MaxInDHouse:
No where the scriptures say anyone can have a PERSONAL relationship with Christ because Jesus taught his disciples that it's the Church that makes him Christ not individuals.
So in the absence of the Church there is no Christ! Matthew 18:20

wrong; Romans 10:17 proves you wrong. faith does not come from your pastors word nor your religious traditions but from the word of God.

leave this arguement and go study your Bible. the true church of Christ is the sum total of every single true believer world wide who have put their faith in him through his word, not denominational organisation you call church.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't believe in the Christ without religion and church!

you have personal relationship with Christ through his word not through religion or church. that is the reason you have wrong doctrines

MaxInDHouse:
What's the name of your own religion or church?

by asking this question you are telling me that you are not a follower of Christ but a follower of religion and church.

MaxInDHouse:
The last kingdom is like iron mixed with clay!

Mr you seem not to know what your talking about. study the Bible pls stop following Jehovah's witness doctrines verbatim. the feet of iron and clay is made up of ten kingdoms that broke out of Rome which is the fourth kingdom. Daniel 2:41 made it clear that the feet of iron and clay is the fourth kingdom that shall be divided.

go and study your Bible instead of arguing want you don't know.

this is the bullshit they feed us with that they can't print more money, but in actual fact they do print more money by the orders from above ,if the man from above needs they money.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not used to much words!

America: IRON
England: CLAY
America is strong because they have a written constitution, England is weak because they don't have any written constitution yet both are working together to rule the world! Daniel 2:42

your are wrong again, the kingdom described to be strong as iron is the fourth kingdom which is Rome not america (daniel 2: 40).

the broken kingdoms of iron and clay came out of Rome (Daniel 2:41), and are ten in number not two. these kingdoms are represented by the ten toes that do not mix or come together and there bond is symbolised by iron mixed with clay .

the iron and clay mixure indicates that they will not come together or their relationship will not be strong with each other as compared to the ancient Roman empire, in other words the iron and clay has to do with the weak bond of the ten kingdoms because iron and clay can never mix together yet it has the strength of the fourth kingdom which is iron meaning these ten kingdoms still has the influence of Rome in it ( the papacy) this is not speaking of two nations working together as you assume so you are very wrong Mr. it seems you are the one who needs to go and read the book of Daniel.

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of arguing just go read Daniel's interpretation of the dream then come back!

are you talking to a child? you think I have not read it? if there is anything you think I am getting wrong then point it out to me with factual and historical proof like I am doing.

you are the one getting things wrong and I have proved that, both with Bible ,fact and history. so you do same
how does England and America fit Daniel 7? especially with regards to the little horn?

MaxInDHouse:
In Nebuchadnezzar's dream there appears:

The HEAD ~ Babylonian empire
The CHEST ~ Persian empire
The ABDOMEN ~ Grecian empire
The LEG ~ Roman empire
The FEET ~ England and American government
Daniel 2:32

Last system of government will be transferring power from one person to another due to the power shared by the rulers and the people DEMOCRACY! Daniel 2:44

you obviously don't know what your talking about, the leg and feet of the image in Daniel represents the fourth kingdom which is Rome and the feet of iron and clay represents the disintegrated kingdom of Rome .

Rome scattered into 10 kingdoms represented by the ten toes, not two kingdoms. another symbological representation of this prophesy is in Daniel 7 where the kingdoms are represented as beast and the foruth beast which is Rome had ten horns and among these ten horns or kingdoms came up a little horn or kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man and uprooted three. this prophecy of a little horn only fits the Vatican city state because it was the last and smallest kingdom that came up after the ten kingdom that broke out of Rome these ten kingdoms are;


The kingdom of the Suevians today portugal
The kingdom of the Visigoths today spain
The kingdom of the Alamini today germany
The kingdom of the Burgundians today switzerland
The kingdom of the Franks today france
The kingdom Anglo-Saxon today england
The kingdom of the lombards today italy
the kingdom of the heruli- eliminated
the kingdom of the osthrogoths - eliminated
the kingdom of the vandals - eliminated.

the Vatican city state was the last to come come up after these and it is represented by the little but stout horn with eyes and mouth of a man, this same horn which speaks blasphemy against God and persecutes Gods people as described in Daniel 7 fits only the Roman church , not England and America. go read foxes book of mathyrs to get a clue of the atrocities of the Roman church.

And also it is quit evident that the emperors of the political Roman kingdom gave authority to the church as the ancient Roman kingdom was falling apart. so the people who carried on from the Roman emperors was the Roman church. speaking technically Rome never fell it only methamorphorsed. that system stil continues till this day . the empire today is not just in Europe but the entire world.

MaxInDHouse:
The Vitican lost that when Rome lost power to England!

This is how power was going from hand to hand starting with Nebuchadnezzar.
Babylonn
Persia
Greece
Rome
England and America
This is the last world power!

the mods deleted my first reply and banned my account. but I will try to respond again.

you contradict yourself. the Bible stops at the fourth kingdom which is Rome. no 5th and 6th kingdom.

the Vatican never lost power to England as a matter of fact the king of England king john surrendered his crown to the papal legate in 1213 as sign of loyalty and subjugation . the current queen of England is a dame of Malta a society run by the vatican. England is under the control of the Vatican and the pope same as America.

there is a reason why the prophecy of world powers stoped at Rome which is the fourth kingdom. that is because Rome still rules till today.

the emperors of the ancient Roman kingdom did not hand over power to England but the Catholic church. emperor Constantine gave his power to the church before leaving Rome, and in 538 emperor Justinian declared Christianity the official Roman religion. this gave authority to the Roman church to persecute any one not practicing Thier own version of Christianity and they destroyed three kingdoms namely the heruli ,the osthrogoth and vandals as predicted by the book of Daniel.

the little horn that grew out of the fourth kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man which is the antichrist fits only the Vatican city state which is the smallest kingdom in Rome today not England and America.

there is a reason why Bible stopped at Rome as the last world power and that is because Rome methamorphorsed from a political power to a religious power and it is quit evident that the church of Rome ran the ancient Roman kingdom after the. emperors left Rome. the title "pontifex maximus " was taken from the Roman emperors and is now the title of the bishop of rome. this little kingdom in Rome today runs not just England and America but the whole world through their Jesuit secret army who infiltrates countries to take over and run their political system. this same Jesuits have been expelled in over 83 countries through history because their agenda of usurping political power was uncovered.

"See, sir, from this chamber I govern not
only to Paris, but to China, not only to
China, but to all the world, without any
one to know how I do it "
---Michaelangelo Tamburini
14th Jesuit General ,
1706-1739
the above is a statement from a Jesuit general hundreds of years ago.

Sholzbankz:
Available

how much?

SweetVibe:
Oga go and sit down,did he commit the crime yes or no?

America is a pervers country. even the judge himself might be guilty of this same sex with teenagers. you got America and you will realise that kids of 13 are already having sex. Donald trump has been sued for sex with underage girls too but he is walking freely today. Joe biden their president is a well known pedofile. Jeffery Epstein who used to traffic little boys and girls to his island had a list of prominent politician who used to visit for sexuall gratification they include bill gates, Bill Clinton, Donald trump etc .

r.kelly is bein persecuted by the same system that made him famous because he has refused to do their bidding. the same thing happens to the powerful Nigerian boxer, Ike ibeabuchi who has been jailed for no reasonable reason for 20yrs now. if they want to destroy you they just use women , put allegation of sexual offence and it is done.

does a ball with light have a sun spot