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Nice write-up op

smurfy: "The most intelligent pool of students from various secondary schools apply to study medicine..." Where did you get that "fact" from?

because for you to study medicine you have to make good grades in waec and also score very high in jamb and post-jamb. In otherwords, it is mostly intelligent students that gain admission to study medicine.

kokolet007: Nigerian Billionaires and Top 20+ Richest People (Entrepreneurs) in Nigeria 2013
1. Alhaji Aliko Dangote – Dangote Group, (Manufacturing, oil & gas,)

2. Mike Adenuga – Conoil, Globacom (Oil & gas, Banking, Telecom)

3. Femi Otedola – Forte Oil and Gas (Oil & gas)

4. Orji Uzor Kalu – Slok Group (Aviation, Shipping, publishing, manufacturing)

5. Cosmos Maduka – Coscharis Group (Automobile, manufacturing)

6. Jimoh Ibrahim – Nicon Insurance, Global Fleet (Insurance, transportation, oil & gas)

7. Jim Ovia – Zenith Bank, Visafone (Banking, Telecom)

8. Pascal Dozie – MTN Nigeria, Diamond Bank (Banking, Telecom)

9. Oba Otudeko – Honeywell Group Nigeria, Pivotal Engineering, Airtel (Manufacturing, oil & gas, telecom)

10. Alhaji Sayyu Dantata – MRS Group (Oil & gas, construction)

11. Umaru Abdul Mutallab – former Chairman First Bank Plc, Mutallab Group

12. Prince Samuel Adedoyin – Doyin Group (manufacturing, pharmaceuticals)

13. Dele Fajemirokun – Chaiman Aiico Insurance, Xerox Nigeria, Chicken Republic, Kings Guards (Insurance, Security, Technology, Food retailing)

14. Chief Cletus Ibeto – Ibeto Group (Trading, manufacturing, oil & gas)

15. Raymond Dokpesi – Daar Communication, AIT, (Entertainment)

16. Tony Ezenna – Orange Group (Pharmaceutical, oil & gas)

17. Chief Molade Okoya Thomas – Chairman CFAO Nig and other six french companies (Automobiles)

18. Ifeanyi Ubah – Capital oil and gas (Oil & gas)

19. Leo Stan Ekeh – Zinox (Computer, technology)

20. Fola Adeola – GTBank (Banking)

21. Chief Ade Ojo – Elizade Motors Nig LTD, Distributor of Toyota cars (Auto retailing)

22. Abdulsamad Rabiu – Bua Group (Oil & gas, manufacturing)

23. Folorunsho Alakija – Famfa Oil (Oil & gas)

24. High Chief O.B. Lulu Briggs – Moni Pulo (Oil & gas)

25. Hakeem Bello Osagie – Etisalat Nigeria (Telecom)

26.  Sani Bello – Amni Petroleum (Oil & gas)

27.  Mohammed Indimi – Oriental Petroleum (Oil & gas)

28. Sir Emeka Offor – Chrome Group (Oil & gas, marine)

29.  Chief Arthur Eze – Atlas Oranto Petroleum (Oil & gas)

30. Vincent Amaechi Obianodo – Young Shall Grow Motors, RockView Hotels (Transportation, hotels)

I dnt consider most of these Hausa and Yoruba billionaires as real business men. Check how most of them made their money u'll know what I'm talking about. Most of them made their money by looting the nation's treasury with the help of the past military head of state which were mainly Hausa/Fulani and Yorubas. They assign oil blocks to themselves, award government contracts to themselves but most of those Igbo billionaires hustled with their sweat. Without government i wonder what will become of these hausa's and Yorubas making noise cos they're jst too lazy. That is why their politicians see politics as a do or die affair cos that is the only way they can make money.

room089: @ op

Please I need some clarifications here:-

Are there any other states in Nigeria apart from imo, abia,anambra, enugu, ebonyi, Delta and Rivers where igbos are located?

yeah, parts of benue and edo state

Knowledge9000: Igbo representation on the list is enough. Our wealth is concentrated...Igbos have the highest concentration of middle class and millionaires than other tribes. This has been proven with statistics...SE is the least poorest region in Nigeria. The wealth gap between wealthy Yorubas and poor yorubas is outstanding....that doesn't exist with Igbos.

you forgot to include chief Cletus ibeto and Leo Stan Ekeh on your list.

lokito: If you date your classmate he's going to be a distraction to you in class. Even in exam hall b/c of him shame will not allow you to giraffe. So no need

Hi

sogodihno: I av to disagree on one point sir: Medical is not restricted to doctors, because if it's restricted to doctors, den d word "medical doctor" will b tautology. Tanks

stop writing nonsense here if u dnt have reasonable thing to write. The word Medical is restricted to doctors alone. While medical doctor is used is to differentiate it frm other people dat makes use of dat title 'doctor' such as ph.D, pharm.D, optometrist, herbalists, etc.

onagoodday: Did you just say 9yrs....abeg who say make u dey fail...carry ur frustration go one side.

there are few medical schools in Nigeria that does medicine for 6yrs(only few fed uni) most are 7, 8 or 9yrs and it is nt because the person repeated year or ASUU strikes bt due to accreditation and re-accreditation problems most schools wt MDCN. evn in u.s and many parts of d world before u become a medical doctor u'll spend nothing less than 8yrs( 4yrs pre-med and 4yrs med)before u become a medical doctor. And mind u, it is nt jst 6yrs bt 6yrs of rigorous training without holidays(except easter and Xmas)and mch time to socialize. Imagine u doing anatomy, physiology & biochemistry in 18months that students dat major in these courses do for 4yrs each and u're expected to knw it better than them. I'm nt evn talking abt the clinical courses;pathology, pharmacology, Paediatrics, obstetrics & gynecology, community medicine, surgery, psychiatry, radiology, ophthalmology, internal medicine, ward rounds, clinics, etc all these in jst 3yrs and u must be grounded in them. Now tell me those johesu dat studied 4 4 or 5yrs wat and wat do they do and how detailed do they go into it? It is nt the number of yrs u spent in sch dat matters bt wat u did within ur duration of study. Please stop saying wat you dnt knw.

onagoodday: Did you just say 9yrs....abeg who say make u dey fail...carry ur frustration go one side.

there are few medical schools in Nigeria that does medicine for 6yrs(only few fed uni) most are 7, 8 or 9yrs and it is nt because the person repeated year or ASUU strikes bt due to accreditation and re-accreditation problems most schools wt MDCN. evn in u.s and many parts of d world before u become a medical doctor u'll spend nothing less than 8yrs( 4yrs pre-med and 4yrs med)before u become a medical doctor. And mind u, it is nt jst 6yrs bt 6yrs of rigorous training without holidays(except easter and Xmas)and mch time to socialize. Imagine u doing anatomy, physiology & biochemistry in 18months that students dat major in these courses do for 4yrs each and u're expected to knw it better than them. I'm nt evn talking abt the clinical courses;pathology, pharmacology, Paediatrics, obstetrics & gynecology, community medicine, surgery, psychiatry, radiology, ophthalmology, internal medicine, ward rounds, clinics, etc all these in jst 3yrs and u must be grounded in them. Now tell me those johesu dat studied 4 4 or 5yrs wat and wat do they do and how detailed do they go into it? It is nt the number of yrs u spent in sch dat matters bt wat u did within ur duration of study.

prettyprettywow: Poor funding shey? What have we done with the little funding we have so far? I guess our Dr CMD's who are the world best administrators were busy enriching their pockets with the money meant for the buying of these equipment. I am sure our health sector gets more funding than those of Ghana and other poorer African countries whose health care system are better than ours. Yet, you want to lie to our faces that Drs should continue heading ba? Diaris God ooo

then it'll be better when johesu heads it abi? Nonsense!

berildan: a good question to ask tho is 'just how well is Madonna offering these courses?' I hear that even non-teaching staff mark students' scripts.

these courses are well-taught and are accredited by the appropriate regulatory authorities u can browse it yourself. You make laugh when you say non-teaching staff marks student's scripts in Madonna university, to the best of my knowledge i've never seen that happened before. Some students when they fail exams they try to put the blame on the school authorities. For christ sake how will a qualified university lecturer set an exam and then give it to a non-academic staff to mark, it is unthinkable and FYI lecturers dnt even take exam scripts to their homes to mark, they mark it in school under supervision.

All these people saying Madonna is this Madonna is that im sure u haven't been there before.FYI Madonna uni is the 1st private(catholic)uni Nigeria and does a lot of professional courses which some federal uni dnt evn do let alone state and other private uni and are fully accredited and have produced graduates. Madonna uni professional courses includes: medicine & surgery, pharmacy, medical laboratory science, nursing science & midwifery, optometry, public health, law, electrical/electronics engineering, mechanical engineering, civil engineering, chemical engineering, petroleum engineering,computer engineering, accountancy, mass communication, economics etc. Now tell me how many private universities in Nigeria have these courses? I guess some of you writing nonsense about Madonna were those expelled from the prestigious Madonna university.

dalhat14: An incisive article by Ibrahim Toli

After reading through the article by Alli John Adeolu, Chief
Medical Laboratory Scientist of God knows where, I
couldn't help but punch my keyboard in response to his
distortion of facts. There will have been no need for a reply
if it were only for his low quality unreferenced write up.
NMA raised 24 demands, but for reasons best known to
him, he decided to chose only 4.
I think there is no need for me to respond to the jaundiced
comparison of Doctors to either our colonialists/
imperialists or Boko Haram, that will be too childish. If one
finds it difficult to differentiate civility from primitiveness
and started comparing Nigerian Doctors with murderous
groups, then I guess it is a waste of intellectual calorie to
try to reply.
Chief, doctors are not superior to other health workers
because the former spent 6 years in undergraduate school,
sam sam. Professional superiority arises because of
competitive knowledge advantage and nothing else. Even if
you extend the study of medical laboratory science to 10
years, its certificate cannot be equivalent to that of MBBS
because the curriculum differs, their roles differ. It is not a
matter of theology; belief or unbelief.
The FMOH of Nigeria doesn't have directories, but rather
directorates and they are 8 and not at least 5 and they are
not all headed by Doctors. According to Presidential
Committee on a Harmonious Work Relationship Amongst
Health Workers and Amongst Professional Groups in the
Health Sector chaired by Hon. Justice Bello A. Gusau, "By
its approved structure, the Federal Ministry of Health has
eight Departments, namely: Department of Human
Resources; Department of Finance & Accounts;
Department of Planning, Research & Statistics; Department
of Procurement; Department of Hospital Services;
Department of Public Health; Department of Family Health
and the Department of Food & Drugs Services. Of the four
Professional Departments, three are headed by medical
practitioners while one is headed by a health professional
who is not a medical practitioner." Do you propose a
JOHESU to head Hospital Services, Public Health or Family
Health?
Yes the CMD and the CMAC are doctors, but you failed to
mention the latter is a director of clinical services
representing all the clinical departments with a single vote
just like the director of administration, director of Nursing
etc. The CMD is a Doctor because the law said so, you can
always go to court if you are not happy about that. No,
Doctor mustn't head medical lab scientist, but a Doctor
must head clinical laboratory. If you decide to open your
private lab, no Doctor will lord over you, but then he won't
use results.
Truth is Doctors don't hate you guys to have increase in
salary, but their must be relativity otherwise what is the
essence of adding quality to patient care? Wages are paid
based on intellectual input here on earth, I don't know of
other planets. No Sir, thats incorrect, Doctors do not earn
a minimum of N250,000 in Federal Institutions and a very
senior consultant N500,000. Either you didn't see the
circular or you are distorting it. Wouldn't it have been
easier to just reproduce it here and compare CONMESS
and CONHESS, to see who is cheating who?
I want to believe even a junior staff knows salary is
divided in to basic salary and allowances. Federal Ministry
of Education pays lecturer-Doctors basic salary while
Federal Ministry of Health pays them call and specialist
allowance. Does that constitute double salary? You see,
don't dabble in to something you have no knowledge of.
Have you ever read the responsibility of a Consultant? Do
you imagine the fellowship is just for his immediate
environment and his services not required in the periphery?
Please check the geographical radius a consultant is
suppose to rotates.
Since you are not a constitutional lawyer, why don't you
allow a competent court of law interprets what medically
qualified means. Shikenan. You insinuated medically
qualified applies to you, thats delusional. Read the act for
the appointment of CMD again or get a translation.
You carelessly define the word consultant without a single
reference in the hope the gullible and lazy populace wont
crosscheck. Both Advanced learners English dictionary and
Merriam Webster dictionary have two similar definitions
for the word. As per the latter thus;
1. A person who gives professional advice or services to
companies for a fee.
2. A hospital Doctor of the highest rank who is an expert in
a particular area of medicine.
Let me attempt to explain one demand called consultant/
specialist in clinical practice. In summary all doctors have
the basic undergraduate degree called MBBS (Bachelor of
Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery); which of cos currently is a
misnomer since the course covers many specialties apart
from the traditional Medicine and Surgery. In those days
doctors were either physicians or Barbers (Surgeons). Now
after the basic degree, you can divide doctors broadly in to
two; Medical Officers and Consultants/Specialists. In
between you have House Officers/interns and Residents
(Specialists in training). To be a specialist, requires an
average of 6 years in an accredited health institutions.
Ours is not the traditional PhD cos of the complexity of
human diseases and the need for clinical knowledge. Thus
it is a unique training combining theory and clinical skills
at the same time. Example, one cannot have a PhD in
Neurology, in fact its impossible cos of the numerous
neurological conditions afflicting human populace ranging
from infectious, inflammatory, degenerative, neoplastic,
traumatic, metabolic etc with further subdivisions. Another
example, one will attempt to have PhD in a degenerative
disease called Dementia. I say attempt cos its not even
practicable due to its numerous causes. To be a
Neurologist, one must be drilled first in all medical
specialties for at least 24 months and then in human
neurological clinical conditions in the remaining time
including a thesis in one of the entity. The other arm is
Medical Officer who chose not to specialize rather improve
themselves either through academic degrees or just
progressed through conventional civil service. The
hierarchy is thus in descending order; Consultant >
Residents > Medical Officers > House Officers in terms of
professionalism and quality of patient care. Specialists are
suppose to see complicated cases or those with potentials
to cause complications and or cases requiring advance
care; there is no need for a consultant to see controlled
uncomplicated hypertension or diabetes mellitus,
uncomplicated malaria, typhoid, pulmonary tuberculosis
etc. Now is it fair to compare a medical consultant with
someone who did 3 year diploma course with 1-2 year
post basic studies or even that with academic PhD? In the
tertiary hospital, a Consultant is the final refined touch of
any patient management. He owns the patient, leads the
unit, teaches medical students and mentor residents. So if
someone say has an MSc in iron deficiency anaemia and
PhD in hemoglobinopathies (assuming not just theoretical
academic degrees), will he then be appointed as a Senior
Resident and Consultant Hematologist respectively? What
if someone present with hemophilia or leukemia? Ok I hear
you say no big deal, there are others that will specialize in
those areas. That is correct, but how many consultants
are you going to have in hematology, 1000? Thus in a
hospital you will need like 500,000 consultants to manage
just one centre! This of course is not practicable and that
is why medical postgraduate training is very different and
unique. It may interest you to know Medical Officers
whatever their qualifications or years of experience are not
candidates for CMD in the tertiary institution or even the
secondary centers in the presence of a consultant. Again
the position of a consultant itself has legal implications
when it comes to litigation, autopsy or as expert witness.
Patient care is under the consultant playing the central role
not because of anything but for his strategic knowledge
advantage. There is no need for a consultant to be in the
primary health centres. So if the FG appoints other health
workers as medical consultants, imagine the confusion.
What role will they play, what value will they add to patient
care? Let me elaborate on this, a lab scientist will insist a
patient to use an antimicrobial drug based on laboratory
drug sensitivity pattern irrespective of clinical outcome
whereas a Consultant Medical Microbiologist or Physician
will not so long the patient is responding to the initial
empirical drug treatment even if the pathogen shows
antimicrobial resistance on the plate. Another example is
physician will not treat as emergency isolated case of
hyperkalemia without cardiovascular examination and ECG
even if scientist suggested such. Chest pain with rise in
cardiac enzymes doesn't necessarily mean Myocardial
Infarction.
There is an old age rivalry between Doctors and other
health workers that can be traced right from
undergraduate level. You may not have noticed it or
probably studied outside the country, but it was there. Not
only among them but surprisingly even among lawyers.
There is this childish debate about who is learned. This
gradually turned in to envy and now dangerously in to
enmity. Just read their comments, articles or interviews,
you can't possibly missed the unmistakable deep seated
frustration and hatred. People have no qualms spreading
falsehood among unsuspecting populace just for financial
gains. The funniest thing is that those people bring their
family and relatives to see Doctors (they never entrust
such burden on their colleagues) and the elite promoting
the discord all have Personal Physicians. Am not aware of
personal this or personal that, but then I know very little.
Again when you go to the private clinic and NGOs,
everybody conforms to ethics, isn't it a wonder? Why then
do we have confusion only in the tertiary health
institutions? Everything is about money. Ok suppose one
of them is appointed a consultant, what will be his job
description, what input will he make in patient care? Some
even want to be appointed directors at grade level 17,
imagine. As a Doctor with MBBS my entry point is grade
level 12 and 15 as a specialist, imagine how many
directors a teaching hospital will have in the next 6 years
or so. What will happen to other civil servants who have
reached level 17 but not yet directors? What will happen to
other workers with same qualifications who are not even
suppose to reach directorate level?
You seem to be fascinated with USA and UK model of
health system where you were eager to emphasize the
qualification of hospital CEOs. Yes they do have non
Doctors as ministers of health, but you failed to say they
equally have office of the Surgeon General and Chief
Medical Officer as well. Ironically you are not that keen to
borrow their leaf on privatization of hospitals because of
cost, but in actuality it is the fear of loosing your fight. Why
not go all the way and clone their system here? You have
to understand theirs is a capitalist economy and thus
putting a non Doctor up there doesn't mean anything. A
Doctor will always put patient first in his policy, obviously
this is against the fundamental of capitalism.
By Ibrahim Toli

well said.

Onlinebizexpert: Do I blame her no.........


If she knew that what it took me to pass a test of five marks in medical school is the same as what it took her to pass a degree exam of 100 marks

What is keshi doing that he is demanding a salary of 10 million naira per month

What did a senator read that his salary can foot the salaries of 25 professors of medicine


If people knew that the fight to aknswer consultant by other medically inclined professions is simply a ploy to assume power

Having another consultant In the hospital is the same as having two captains in a ship

I will not blame funke she is trying to sell her newspaper by writing such a demeaning article to the people who can elongate the line between life and death after GOD

I don't expect funke to understand because unlike her I have to read 3 courses (anatomy,physiology,biochemistry) which lasts for about 15 years in just 18 months and am expected to be better than the person that reads just one of the aforementioned courses and yet such a person wants to assume a post that that takes a doctor an average of 25years to reach


I won't blame funke because maybe in her world a footballer like Mikel can demand for the title of world best player just like messi and c ronaldo by just playing back pass


U claim its greed but I think its the right thing

If I should be in charge of your life in your weakest moments don't you think I should be financially emotionally and psychologically stable....


Do I blame funke and some professional jambites on naira land for their articles and comments respectively.....no I wont



Why don't you whole lot contest for the position of GOD who created the universe because we can give both to humans

I am not in support of a situation whereby patients are punished for the crime of others but till we as a country get it right by giving honour to whom it is due we can never make a head way


To funke keep writing what you think is right afterall its your job and you are paid to do so



But one thing is sure[b] IF TWO ELEPHANTS FIGHT THE GRASSES WILL SUFFER[/b]

That's all I can say for now, falter my points if you have the facts.........thanks again

Nice one bro.