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otipoju:
No be this boy compose this statement

00FFT00:
Here's how your country is doing, 510 MW for a whole country?.

If this were not shameless black people, whoever is the president if Nigeria will voluntary resign immediately.

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Santalpharay:
And how did you conclude who the perpetrators are. Chief Security officer. Police and Army and other security outfits has been shooting people along that axis/ some parts of Imo state as they are fighting some criminals year in year out. Some innocent lives has been wasted within these axis, which can result in retaliation from angry youths especially when they see vehicles with security personnel inside. When will total peace return to Anambra and Imo

Abagworo:
People doing that Ihiala own are Igbos full time. Where Fulani operates is around Lokpanta, Arondizuogu, Uturu and Umunze axis. Otti has helped reduce but not stop it after sanitizing the cattle market at Umuchieze. It is Igbos that are in Oba, Ogbaru, Ihiala, Okija, Nnewi, Orlu, Uli, Orsu and Mgbidi axis .

Santalpharay:
And how did you conclude who the perpetrators are. Chief Security officer. Police and Army and other security outfits has been shooting people along that axis/ some parts of Imo state as they are fighting some criminals year in year out. Some innocent lives has been wasted within these axis, which can result in retaliation from angry youths especially when they see vehicles with security personnel inside. When will total peace return to Anambra and Imo

Antiurchins:
IPOB brought this anarchy and chaos into once the most peaceful state in southeast and Nigeria and turn it into death,torture,rape and kidnapping capital.Some us raised alarm when Nnamdi Kanu launched his private army called Eastern Security Network they turned out to be Eastern Insecurity Network.
Villages have been taken over by this criminal elements known as UmuOma and many people can nolonger visit their home town as a result of this.Nnamdi Kanu gave a standing order to kill soldiers in SE and that is what they have been doing ever since.

The only way Igboland can heal is by telling ourselves the truth and by exposing those who are behind insecurity in Igboland.
Blaming outsiders is non-starter na we dey do ourselves by ourselves.

Omodua:
Exactly. Release their leader Nnamdi KANU and allow peace return to the zone. That's the clamour of the zone and should be heeded to.

Going through this long legal lacuna before releasing him won't be helpful.

Tinubu can't afford to overlook this burning calamity in the country.

Emekus999:
Nigeria is not united state

Melody789:
This was considered front page worthy by Nairaland mods and Seun?

Just another reason why I shouldn't be on Nairaland.

id4sho:
Na so we see am, It is what it is, legit 💯

Zeebuy:
After reading that entire post, this is the only thing you were able to deduce?

Awolowo's free education was wasted on you

Omodua:
Watch out.

Next list,you will SE on the list.

folake4u:
Pocohantas See what we were talking about recently.

Skit or no skit, we'd be having more of kidney failure in the nearest future. Doctors are going to be cashing out steady.

pocohantas:
No lies babe. From bleaching to alcohol, drugs and too much salt/seasoming. This one is definitely skit, but we have both seen those ones of 6,8 cubes that weren't skits. They also have defenders in their comment sections. Meaning people actually cook like that.

JessicaRabbit:
Thanks for the response. Now, let's examine it to see if it has any merits. But first, I'll have to correct you on something. This Infinite Monkey Theorem is ultimately a thought experiment designed to illustrate the concept of probability and the potential outcomes of random events over an infinite amount of time. I don't suppose it's a scientific experiment that can be conducted in a laboratory, and neither was it meant to be. Its primary purpose is to provoke thought and discussion about the nature of probability, chance, and the universe.

Now, while the probability of a monkey typing Hamlet in a reasonable amount of time is incredibly low, it's not impossible. The notion that a monkey typing Hamlet is impossible is a common misconception. Impossibility and low probability are distinct concepts. Even events with extremely low probabilities can occur given enough time and opportunities. The monkey typing Hamlet may be an unlikely scenario, but it's not a logical or mathematical impossibility. Skeptics might argue that the timescale required for such an event is unrealistically vast, making it effectively impossible but this overlooks the fundamental nature of probability. As the number of attempts increases, even the most improbable events become increasingly likely. It's crucial to recognize that probability operates on a continuum, with no clear boundary between possible and impossible. Instead, events transition from highly unlikely to likely as the number of trials grows.

The analogy between creating complex systems, such as life or the universe, and building a house is fundamentally flawed. A house is a designed structure, created with a specific purpose and plan in mind. Every element, from the foundation to the roof, serves a deliberate function. In contrast, the Infinite Monkey Theorem, which suggests that random chance can produce complex outcomes, operates in the realm of unpredictability and lack of direction. This crucial distinction renders the house analogy inadequate for illustrating the probabilistic nature of complex system emergence. A more fitting analogy would have been the random sequence of letters and numbers forming a coherent sentence or paragraph. I believe that scenario would do a better job capturing the point of the Infinite Monkey Theorem you've cited, where chance operations produce unexpected, meaningful outcomes. Although even in this analogy I just created, the probability of generating a coherent text remains extremely low, but it's not impossible! But at least it acknowledges the role of randomness and highlights the improbability of complex systems emerging without direction. The house analogy is more misleading because it implies a guiding intelligence or purposeful design, which is precisely what's absent in the context of the Infinite Monkey Theorem. Furthermore, it's true that a "selector" is necessary to recognize and choose the correct sequence of letters. But I still don't think this negates the possibility of a random sequence eventually forming a meaningful pattern. It simply means that the selection of that pattern is a separate process.

What most of you who argue against natural selection, evolution and the Big Bang fail to realize is that complex systems arising from simple interactions is actually a highly pervasive theme in various scientific disciplines. Many events illustrate this, for instance, the formation of snowflakes, where the straightforward process of water molecules freezing yields intricate and unique patterns. The simplicity of the initial conditions -- water vapor cooling in the atmosphere -- belies the complexity of the resulting crystal structures, and this dichotomy highlights the universe's inherent capacity for generating complexity from elementary rules. Similar examples abound in nature. Flocking behaviors in birds, schooling in fish, and the growth patterns of branching trees all demonstrate how simple interactions among individual components give rise to complex, emergent properties. In each case, the local interactions and basic rules governing individual behavior collectively produce remarkable global patterns. Complexity can be an intrinsic product of simple, iterative processes rather than requiring external direction or design. The implications of this concept extend far beyond natural phenomena, speaking to our understanding of the universe's fundamental nature. If complex systems can emerge from simple interactions, it challenges the notion that intricate structures and phenomena necessarily require a designer or external guidance. Instead, the universe may possess inherent mechanisms for generating complexity, operating through principles like self-organization and emergence.

This perspective should shift our focus from seeking external explanations for complex phenomena to understanding the underlying processes that enable their emergence. If we can just recognize the universe's capacity for self-organization, we may gain insights into the origins of life, the formation of galaxies, and the evolution of complex systems. We are limited by our own human understanding and perspective. It's possible that there are aspects of the universe that we simply cannot comprehend. And this is why, I as an atheist, prefer to withhold belief in phenomena that I can't immediately understand through testable and reliable methods of understanding reality. It's not out of a vendetta against religion, it's out of a respect for knowledge and reality.

EvilMerodack:


He should be handcuffed, tied to a boat on the left side and be allowed to travel across River Niger seven times

He should be punished like a man that poisoned a whole town to their death

JessicaRabbit:
EmperorCaesar, DevilsEqual, CyrusVI (I'm quoting all three monikers because I don't know which of them you'll be logging on with next.

I'd still like to see you make an attempt at the question I posed in my last riposte (the one about the instincts of a moth). But meanwhile, your entire "Intelligent Design" narrative has made me recall important questions that have arisen in my past debates on this topic. Questions that, as far as I can tell, nobody has managed to provide a sufficient answer to. Now, you keep latching on to the notion of "design", using "complexity" to reinforce your standpoint. Ignoring the fact that your idea or concept of complexity could just be based on your own subjective assessment of what is considered complex, I need to understand what your definition of complex is, and what tools you use to measure complexity. More importantly, I want to know how you can recognize design, and how you can tell a designed object from a non-designed object. Basically for you to understand what is classified as a living thing, you have to understand what is classified as a non-living thing as well. The same logic applies. Can you show me an example of something that wasn't designed? I'm interested to read your answer. Also, are you certain that intelligent design and natural selection are truly dichotomous? Are you making the assertion that there are no alternative explanations for complexity that do not involve supernatural design?

First of all, let's even address your "punishment" fantasies. Your threats are as laughable as your arguments. Let me guess, your "punishment" involves yet another fundamental misunderstanding of basic facts and ideas? Or yet another run-of-the-mill apologetics argument without evidence? Or maybe even resorting to outright insults because you've completely run out of tangible points to make? Perhaps you'll even try to outsmart me with a particularly profound observation about the weather? Surely you don't believe you're fooling anyone here with your tough-guy act? If you want to lash out with petty insults, please go ahead. You'll be doing me a huge favor honestly because it means that my previous comments about you are completely justified. You can't handle the heat of a critical debate, you just expect people to take your arguments at face value and agree with you because you don't want your feelings hurt. In your mind, you share the same identity with your arguments and that's why every form of criticism feels like an insult to you. Listen, if you reeaaally want to "punish" me, please try coming up with solid empirical evidence to prove your points for once, instead of relying on guesses and resigned speculation. You're the one trying to prove things to me. I'm the one examining your claims. Do you understand how the burden of proof works? You're the one mandated to prove your case, so you better piss or get off the pot. Come up with something that doesn't involve childish, entitled behavior and delusional threats. Don't be a keyboard warrior.




You're wrong. I've been very consistent with my judgements here, and I've been trying to explain to you that you're having misapprehensions about what I've been saying, but at this point, it appears you've chosen to play deaf. My goal has always been to address the core issues of our disagreement, and I've tried to do so in a strictly logical manner. There's a common axiom in the science community that "bad ideas exist to be destroyed". I believe that if we should seek to establish actual undeniable facts, feelings should have no place in the discussion because they can result in bias and making up lies. If you choose to take my words personally, that's your problem. You either admit to your own faults or explain to me why I'm wrong, using convincing logic. You've made your own judgements and criticisms about my character and person. You didn't see me whinge about it, instead I used logic to show why your judgements about me were wrong and pointed out any fallacies you committed in your assertions. I've always maintained that my statements have been descriptive, not personal. You've mentioned that I don't see this as manipulation. Maybe you're right, but I believe that my approach is based on a commitment to clear thinking and honest dialogue. I don't add salt or sugar to my words. I call it the way I see it, and if you don't like it then maybe you should stop talking to me for the sake of your mental health. Besides, you're not being consistent with your own words. You said you're a masochist, didn't you? So why the incessant complaints? By your own admission, you enjoy your arguments being exposed and shot down without mercy, or did I misunderstand you?

Interesting. So if I'm the one throwing up "false assumptions and accusations", then why do you seem so desperately defensive, yet struggle to make a convincing counter-argument to prove me wrong? You're obviously articulate enough and can at least put up a decent argument, so why can't you seem to convincingly destroy my "false assumptions"? Have you considered that it's because you know, deep down, that I'm hitting the nail right on the head? Or maybe you're just not as critical as you think you are? Either way, it's clear that you're not very good at handling the truth. Do yourself a favor and look up the meaning of cognitive dissonance. I believe you'll have a better understanding of what's truly going on here if you honestly and diligently study what it means.[b] And by the way, I'm not sure how you expect to handle the complexities of the real world if you're easily overwhelmed by a few pertinent questions.[b]

I find it interesting that you're suggesting we switch fields to prove intellectual superiority. It's as if you believe expertise in one area automatically translates to authority in all others, when in reality, intellectual discourse requires more than just specialized knowledge. It demands critical thinking, logical reasoning, and effective communication -- skills that aren't limited to a single domain. I have to say though: this desperate obsession to prove your intellectual superiority to me is strengthening my belief [/b]that you feel insecure about your ability to hold a meaningful conversation without resorting to pedantry. Or maybe you're just trying to compensate for something else. Perhaps you're afraid of being wrong, or maybe you simply enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice. Whatever the reason, it's clear that you're more interested in winning arguments than in actually understanding or connecting with others. Can you not see a problem with this? Or have you just finally decided to fully sacrifice integrity and authenticity at the altar of self-validation and egoism?

Vulnerability is about being honest and open, not whinging and complaining. But whatever the case, it's fine. I definitely won't miss the waterworks. And please, by all means, "hit me" with your best shot. I'm not looking for insults, I'm looking for substance. I'm looking for objective, rational thought, devoid of emotions. If you can manage to land a solid critical argument without resorting to petty jabs, I promise I'll be very impressed.

Probabilities and assumptions are simply characteristics of science. Like I said earlier, it is a constant process of refining our understanding based on evidence. Unlike certain belief systems, I don't need to rely on ancient texts or divine revelations to fill in the gaps. I simply point out the flaws in your arguments and let the facts speak for itself. After all, the burden of proof isn't on me to disprove something that hasn't been proven in the first place. My arguments were based on the lack of evidence for your supernatural claims. The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary assertions, not on those pointing out the holes in their logic.



I'm flattered that you think I'm skilled, but let's not forget: I'm not obligated to provide evidence for something that doesn't exist. My role is to poke holes in your arguments, which I believe, and even you yourself admitted here, I have done successfully. And you're right. I could defend any topic with ease, not because I'm biased, but because I rely on reason and evidence. If your arguments were solid, they'd withstand scrutiny. Instead, you try to paint me being a skilled debater, as if it detracts from the substance of what I'm saying. I'm not here to "win" or convince you of my non-belief. I'm here to challenge your claims and encourage critical thinking. If you struggle to accept that, then perhaps it's time to reevaluate your beliefs. I don't need "enough points" to argue against God's existence. I simply need you to provide convincing evidence, which, so far, has been lacking. Until then, I'll continue to ask questions and expose the flaws in your arguments. That's how debates work.

As it says on my profile page, I'm not looking for friends here. If you have a question you're dying to ask, you can go ahead and ask. If I feel the need to answer, I will. If I consider the question too personal for my taste, I'll decline.

JessicaRabbit:
Actually, it's very easy to explain why you're having this difficulty. The truth is you're out of ideas, but you've refused to concede. It's a common condition where one's ego outweighs their arguments. At this point, you're just trying to squeeze water from a stone, which means you're probably just going to end up with a handful of nothing. But don't let me stop you. Watching you get emotional and melodramatic about a random stranger online supposedly having better arguments than you is entertaining to watch for the meantime, until I get bored at least. Obviously your self-esteem is tied to these arguments.

Lol. While we're at it, let's attribute the invention of the wheel to a divine being, too. After all, it's pretty complex, isn't it? The idea that such a simple biological process requires a supernatural explanation is a classic case of the "God of the Gaps" fallacy. So far, you're just using your god as a placeholder for your ignorance.



You're assuming that the warbler can "know" anything in the human sense. It doesn't have a conscious thought process like we do. Its behavior is driven by instinct, which is a complex set of genetic traits honed over millions of years through natural selection. The idea that a warbler "knows" when a cold front will bring pleasant weather and a tailwind is a stretch. It's more likely that the warbler has evolved behaviors that are generally beneficial in certain environmental conditions. If those behaviors lead to increased survival and reproduction, then they're more likely to be passed on to future generations.



More appeals to ignorance as I expected. I still don't see why a supernatural explanation should suffice here. When faced with competing explanations, the one with the fewest assumptions is more likely to be correct (Occam's Razor). Evolution, genetics, and environmental pressures provide a more parsimonious explanation for these phenomena than intelligent design. You're chasing the wind here.



This is just a long-winded way for you to say, "I don't know how this thing works, therefore God!". It's not the mind blowing argument you think it is. You have only just confused your lack of understanding with evidence for a designer. Instinct is simply a result of genetic adaptations that have been shaped by natural selection. Behaviors that increase an organism's chances of survival and reproduction are more likely to be passed on to future generations. And your fixation on the idea of complexity is unnecessary. Complexity doesn't imply design. Natural selection, over millions of years, can produce incredibly intricate systems. The human eye is often touted as irreducibly complex. Yet, evolutionary biologists have traced its development from simpler precursors. Also, there's plenty of evidence that genes play a significant role in shaping behavior. Think about behavioral genetics studies, which have shown that traits like intelligence, personality, and even aggression have a genetic component. So yeah, this is just more "God of the Gaps" waffle if you asked me.

JessicaRabbit:
You see, now this is a very good example of the ad hominem fallacy (a personal attack on the individual rather than addressing the argument). Here, you're trying to discredit my expertise by pointing out my background in literature and philosophy, as if that has any relevance here, or it somehow negates my ability to understand scientific concepts. I don't know if you're hoping to distract from the fact that your arguments so far have been as flimsy as a house made of sand.



I'm already disappointed. Sounds like yet another attempt to shoehorn the natural world into a supernatural narrative. But let's see where you're headed with this anyway.



Darwin was right to point out the complexity of instinct. However, that doesn't mean a divine watchmaker had to wind it up. Evolution, with its billions of years of trial and error, can produce incredibly intricate and adaptive behaviors. I'm more interested to see if you can explain how a divine being would have programmed instincts like migration patterns or social hierarchies. Or you could even tell me why a god would design instincts that sometimes lead to self-destruction, like the instinct of moths to fly towards light, often leading to their demise.



As usual, you've jumped into conclusions. Not that I'm surprised anyway; I was expecting something like this. There's nothing special here. As a matter of fact, I can use this exact same point to make an argument supporting evolution! Natural selection has favored terns with the genetic traits that enable them to make such long migrations over countless generations. Those that were better at finding food in both polar regions, and had the stamina to fly between them, were more likely to survive and reproduce, passing on their genes to the next generation. And as for the discovery of food sources, it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that a bird "discovered" something. It's more likely that their ancestors simply evolved to exploit whatever resources were available in their environment. And since the polar regions are rich in food, it's not surprising that terns would eventually find their way to both.



A tiny bird, barely heavier than a dollar bill, flies thousands of miles across the ocean, using wind currents and stored fat to navigate, and you think that's evidence of intelligent design?

JessicaRabbit:
Are you even listening to yourself? Do tell, what exactly is wrong with having a logical justification for everything? Never heard of critical thinking before? If you find it worrying that I prefer to understand and clarify things in a way that is logical and precise, then maybe you should take a step back and assess why you're so uncomfortable with someone who values reason and evidence.



Serious question: are you telling me that you cannot tell the simple difference between descriptive phrases for a behavior, and an unjustified attack on character?

Oh poor you! You're overwhelmed because you're actually having to think critically for the first time ever? How ever will you manage to handle this unprecedented level of intellectual stimulation? Do you need a safe space to recover from the trauma of being challenged?

Well, I'm sure your area of specialty is very impressive. I'm particularly impressed by your ability to batter things without actually accomplishing anything. It's a truly unique talent. Maybe you should consider opening a bakery, or perhaps a battering ram rental service. I'm sure you'd be a huge success.

Maybe it's because your own turf is more like a puddle of insecurity, where even the most timid housefly would come out swinging. For as long as I've known you, you only seem to talk about semantics and grammar and other frivolous distractions. All you do is whinge and complain about your feelings like anybody is actually supposed to care.

The moral high ground is always a convenient place to retreat to when your arguments crumble. Well done.

Shoot.

JessicaRabbit:
Listen, I'm not impressed by your "rendering my apology" phrase. It's a vague and insincere expression. You tagged me in a comment that directly addressed me with a condescending tone, implying I'm not a logical thinker. Do you think I'm blind?

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If that wasn't intended for me, then I must be the Queen of England. Your "apology" just seems like a weak attempt to save face, and I've not seen where you modified the original post contrary to your claim. If you're genuinely sorry, then demonstrate it through your actions and words. I'm willing to put this aside and engage in a discussion, as you requested. But let's make one thing clear: I won't tolerate any more passive-aggressive comments or backhanded "apologies".

Now, regarding the topic of discussion here, I'm still waiting for your coherent explanation of how the complexity of DNA supports intelligent and purposeful design. Enlighten me with your scientific evidence and logical reasoning. I'm eager to see if you can provide something more substantial than an argument from incredulity.

JessicaRabbit:
Perhaps you didn't quite understand the comment I made in response to MightySparrow. I was simply trying to illustrate that prophetic pronouncements, whether biblical or not, are often vague and open to interpretation. Your dedication to the Bible as a historical authority is admirable, but you must acknowledge the distinction between faith and evidence-based reasoning. While the Bible is a sacred text for many, it's crucial to consider the findings of scientific inquiry and historical research, which have led to a more nuanced understanding of the past. Science, with its self-correcting nature and reliance on empirical evidence, has challenged the accuracy of certain biblical accounts. For instance, the scientific consensus on evolution, geology, and archaeology has shed light on the origins of humanity, the age of the Earth, and the history of civilizations, most of which may differ from the popular biblical narratives.

Now, I'm glad that we seem to share a common ground in valuing the importance of logical reasoning and evidence-based evaluation. However, I'd like to highlight that the Bible, as a sacred text, does present challenges when examined through the lens of logical consistency and empirical evidence, defying the very "Laws of Logic and Evidence" you hold so dearly. It contains accounts that seem to contradict each other, and some narratives that may be considered fantastical or miraculous, which can be difficult to reconcile with the laws of logic and evidence. A common example to highlight is the difference between the creation stories in Genesis 1 and 2, both having different sequences of events. You also have the resurrection accounts in the Gospels which have varying details. If you genuinely seek truth and understanding, you must learn to apply the laws of logic and evidence consistently, without selectively choosing which parts of the Bible to scrutinize and which to accept without question.

As for the claim that "reasonable people" have upheld the Bible for centuries, I think that's a vast oversimplification. Our comprehension of the world has evolved over the years, which means that what was deemed reasonable in the past, when the Earth was believed to be flat, may not withstand the scrutiny of present-day understanding. I'm not advocating for religious people to abandon their faiths, but rather, to integrate critical thinking to complement it. When it comes to historical and natural world inquiries, it's more efficacious and intellectually honest to employ methodologies like logic and the scientific method, that have consistently augmented human knowledge.

JessicaRabbit:
You've presented a fascinating fact about DNA's length, but I'm particularly curious if you really believe this somehow supports "intelligent design"? Are you perhaps implying that the complexity of DNA is evidence of a creator? That's a classic God-of-the-gaps fallacy. Do you know what that is? Are you even familiar with the scientific explanations for DNA's structure and function? Knowing you, I'd wager that you're not.

DevilsEqual, EmperorCaesar or whatever you call yourself these days, I'll have you know that "random explosion" and "organic soup" are rather poor representations of the actual scientific theories. Abiogenesis and evolution are well-studied fields with evidence-based explanations. I'd have advised you to explore the scientific consensus instead of relying on watery caricatures, but I don't know if you really want to do that, because from what I've parsed from your behavior since we first interacted many months ago, you seem to find more comfort in pointless shadowboxing, as opposed to having straight and honest dialogue around a subject. Your second moniker's failed debate promise has unfortunately morphed into sad and childish attempts at drive-by insults, and I couldn't be more unimpressed. It's a telling indication of your insincere duplicity.

Afrobasic:
Or just maybe, just maybe you do not understand how scales work?

The god-had-to-do-it-because-I-cannot-comprehend-it, is a lazy hypothesis.