Akpan107: Base on history, name the first 3 kings of Israel and their tribes...
I don't care if you answer base on religion or not, but make sure you respond to the question.
you are very shallow. No one, not even Muslims would deny the Jews lived there in history. So it normal for them to have their historical moments on record. This is not the issue.
They were there at some point in history and they were later destroyed twice. Period. There is nothing like "Jewish state" anymore. It was destroyed twice.
Once before Jesus and also once after Jesus in 70AD. All their history that you want to use to validate their presence today doesn't cut it. The real issue is who are the rightful owners?.
We already learned how the Israelites got there. They met people (Canaanites) there.. This proves the land was never there in the first place. This is the point.. That's why I said your "3000 years of history" shortcut is fraudulent and attempt to distort history.
The problem you have is compound confusion. You said Jews don't have anything to do with Jesus Mary Solomon and David etc. This automatically dismissed your submission. Jews can not exist in the holy Land without these people you mentioned.
So make up your mind and tell us what your argument is based upon. Arabs and Muslims don't have problems with the Jews. Jews have always lived with their Arab cousins for centuries without problems until zionists came.
So your problem is inability to distinguish between zionists and Jews. All those people governing Israel today are Zionists who claimed to be jews and they have no historic connection to the holy Land. They stole Jewish identity. That's why they are called European Jews. They are European extraction.
So make up your mind what's your line of argument exactly?.
Africa belongs to Blacks
Europe belongs to Whites
Asia belongs to Yellow and Brown
Middle East belongs Arabs
So what's zionists from Europe doing in the Middle East?.
Lawag3: You confuse yourself when did being Jewish mean the same thing as following Jesus Mary Solomon and David?
The Jews do not follow any of these people. It doesn't mean that they are not Jewish because being Jewish is both and ethnicity and a religion.
So you can be a Moslem Jew an atheist Jew a Hindu Jew . Most Jews practice Judaism almost 75% so your lie that most Jews don't believe in God is false and don't forget that 18% of Jews are Moslem. Benjamin Netenyahu believes in the Torah he read the book of Esther during Purim. And even if he doesn't it doesn't matter.
In Islam Allah gave the Jews special status almost all prophets were sent to them Suleiman , Dahud, yosef, musa you name it. In the Quran Allah says he gave Jews the land. Israel is mentioned more than 20 times in the Quran no mention of the name Palestine was in it.
In the bible were the Quran got most of its message from God made a covenant with Abraham and it's that covenant that makes the Jews special to him and he brought salvation to the world through the Jews ( Jesus was a Jew).
The Jews believe in the Old Testament many don't believe Jesus is the Messiah the Bible already said they would not believe and they did not.
Jesus is the only way to salvation but the Jews don't believe that, thats why they practice the religion of the old covenant Judaism.
According to the bible God gave the Arabs land since they're descendants of Abraham trough Ismael. Gave land to the Canaanites took the land from the Canaanites and gave it to the Jews because the Canaanites sinned .
Blessed the Jews and promised them victory in battle and prosperity as long they don't sin read the Bible you'll understand.
Jesus prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and how the Jews will be scattered around the world.
In the bible God also promised to gather them and bring them back to the land check and see if I'm lying.
And that word in that urban dictionary was added last year. It's not in more recognised English dictionary.
You need to make up your mind. Are you arguing based on religion, history or both?.
If your submission is based on history then you have to go beyond 3000 years ago. If your submission is based on religion then, 3000 years ago makes sense. Pick one.
Only then I can have proper dialogue. Otherwise, this is just a waste of time
Akpan107: I actually don't do copy and paste, I don't have time for that and you can't provide evidence of that.
You're terribly stuck due to my questions, not because you don't have answers to the questions, but because answering will expose what you're trying to defend.
Final questions, since you have "refused" to answer the first questions.
Let's try these;
*What are the names and tribe of the first three Kings of Israel?
I think that will be much easy to answer.
There are about 60 kings that have ruled over Israel, I need the names and tribe of just three
God1000: 21st century slavery, I blame the government of Malawi for this nonsense
As a pan africanist, I totally condemn this
This is what we are telling some mo.rons that are supporting Israel. Isræl wants to subject Arab Palestinians to slavery by having them work on plantations while Israelis work as administrators that control them. But unfortunately some Africans don't get it. They think Israel is "God chosen".
Why did you exclude Mary, Jesus Solomon?. Were they not Jewish ?. Your partner brought them into the discussion.
They believe in Torah right?. Does that mean there is salvation for them if they don't believe Jesus, which is actually the case?. If your answer is yes, that means Jesus is not the only way to salvation contrary to what Christians preach, correct?.
So you said they believe in Torah. I told you they are Zionists from Europe. Zionists don't believe in God.. Benjamin Neyanyahu doesn't believe in Torah. He's atheist and so many of them. So how are they "God chosen people"?.
An Israeli historian, Ilan Pappé said:
"Most Zionists do not believe in the existence of God, but they believe that He promised them Palestine.”
Did God promised disbelievers Holy Land?
I am afraid that you have swallowed zionists lies so much that you have been Israeled. Check urban dictionary for the meaning of Israeled
Lawag3: How does that relate to our discussion? And yes they follow the Torah.
Wet in concern Mary, Jesus Solomon?
You're now sounding like a broken record.
I know you are a Moslem and you guys are programmed to hate Jews and christian for no reason.
Did you know the bible talk about the Jews being scattered among the nations of the earth? Did you know the bible also talk about God restoring them back like literally pulling them from the ends of the earth back to the land of Israel. It's so clear you can't mistake it.
Lawag3: Almost every white person in the west claim to be Jewish? You and your balant lies the population of Jews world wide is less than 20 million with the USA having the largest population of Jews outside Israel at 6.5 million. There are black Jews with Ethiopia having an almost absolute majority of them.
And according to genetics the igbo people are in no way related to Jews.
That your questions about Israel owning info land is stupid because since they are Jews in Europe, America, and other places have the Jews claim Europe America and the other places? Use your head.
I can show you where God himself called the land the land of Israel.
If I show you will you agree that the land is originally Jewish?
Lawag3: Me and one idiot like that already walked this path. Even God himself refer to the land as Israel.
If I show you will you then agree that the land is Jewish and modern Jews are related to ancient Jews.
Answer my question
Almost every white person in the West claim to be Jewish. How about Black Jews in Africa?. Igbo claimed to be Jews also. This means igboland doesn't belong to them igbo people. They belong to Israel. So why are they agitating for Biafra nation?
Lawag3: Bring any version of the bible. The name Palestine isn't in the Bible.
Don't come here and tell lies.
you said Bible did not mention Palestine but philistine.
Palestine as we know it today was under British colony at the time so they called it Palestine. But you said Bible mentioned philistine. Do you know that philistine is what Arabs call Palestine because they're is no letter P in semitic language. Instead of P they say F. So Palestine on Arab tongue is Falestini and in Arabic writing it is فلسطين
I bet you see king James as a Divine individual sent by God lol. King James was just a king of England like Queen Elizabeth and you are reading his book like a Divine book. Who did this to Africans?
Anyways, make I no argue too much. Let me bring a quote from RSV.
The screenshot below is extract from the preface of RSV. Why should I take KJ serious?
Because they mixed and intermarried themselves use you head.
Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs but are related to modern Egyptians who are Arabs because of conquest of Egypt by the Arabs, religion and intermarriage .
Same with Lebanon Tunisia and most of the middle east and North Africa.
You're a bloody liar I have a King James version with me and it's not Palestine or Palestinia but Philistine and Philistia. The romans took the name Palestinia from the ancient enemies of the Jews the Philistine .
Lawag3: Tell me all you know about Ashkenazi Jews list the facts about them let's fact check.
I don't need to detail about them. Ashkenazi are European who allegedly converted to Judaism and called themselves Jews. But in reality they are not semites. Examples are:
Benjamin Neyanyahu. He's originally from Poland and also Philadelphia USA.
Tzipi Hotovely, ambassador to UK is from Georgia near Russia.
Eylon Levy who's spokesman for Neyanyahu is British originally.
Ariel Sharon, former Israeli PM was from Poland.
Benny Gantz also from Europe. His father entered Palestine illegally and was arrested by the British then.
Mark Regev former Israeli diplomat. He's from Australia. Many of them like that claiming to be Jews from Israel. But they are actually from Europe.
Now, watch this 1min video of Ashkenazi Jewish boy what he said
Lawag3: Yes Lebanese are Canaanites that I agree. Lebanon was mentioned in the Bible. Tyre and Sidon were their sit of power. Palestinian are in no way related to Canaanites they may be few similarities but they are a different group. The Jebusite were almost wipe at when David conquered Jerusalem. The few who remained assimilated and became Jews.
I have broken your back jare my brother .
Alhamdulilah you said Lebanonese relate to Canaanites. Lebanonese are Arabs. Palestinians are arabs. How do you want to separate 🤣
Their Arabic dialects might be slightly different but they are same people. So why do you want to go back and forth?
Palestine too is mentioned in the Bible. It seems you used the Bible as your parameter which is even better.
If you believe Lebanonese relate to Canaanites then how do you justify these Ashkenazi Jews from Europe relate to the holy Land? .
Lawag3: No they are not. First of all Arabs and Canaanites are not related. The people Israel took the land from are extinct.
are you a christian?. Return to your Bible for comprehensive research. Both Bible and Quran clearly said after Jews were rescued from Egypt by Moses, of was after them God gave them the holy Land on conditions.. When they got to the holy Land they met people living there.
O my people! Enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you ˹to enter˺. And do not turn back or else you will become losers
They replied, “O Moses! There is an enormously powerful people there, so we will never ˹be able to˺ enter it until they leave. If they do, then we will enter!”
It's funny you're even trying to derailed from our discussion.
You're stuck and can't dare make an attempt to answer my questions...
Again, Give me 3,000 Years history of any Arab living in Israel, and tell me where David, Solomon, Mary and Jesus came from.
Exposing you only takes seconds and that's why you have been beating about the bush without a single attempt to respond to the questions.
I asked that questions for a reason, and I truly want you to respond to it, then after that, I will respond to whatever questions or topic you may have.
Two questions alone has taken you over 1 month no ANSWER.
Funny.
From you don't have time waste to beating around the bush.
Give me 3,000 years history of any Arab living in Israel and tell me where the tribe and Land of Jesus, Mary, David and Solomon. ....
is 3000 years of history too ancient for you?. How about 5000, 10000 or even 50000 years of history?. Keep going back please. Don't pick 3000. Go back to the time of Moses at the minimum if you are truthful.
ruggedtimi: the saudi arabia bombing yemen is not a muslim nation. You should have a better understanding of the yemeni civil war...it was proxy war between Saudi Arabia / Iran. What happens in a war bombing/killings. And most times civilians are caught up in the acts.
don't lecture me please. I know it was proxy. I am not concerned about that. I am concerned that Saudi Arabia was wrong to do that, period.
What Saudi bombed Yemen for was irrelevant compared to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians on their land. Saudi Arabia was flighting on behalf of Israelis in Yemen.. What did it gain from there?. Zero
huptin: Moslems kill Moslems everyday no one cares...since the religion they subscribe to requires blood to function.
But keep those nonsense within yourselves....the moment you kill a non Moslem, it brings problems....because their religion doesn't support unnecessary shedding of blood...so Saudi can bloody hell bomb Yemen to the ground.... nobody's business...But when you extend such nonsense an inch into the Israeli territory expect HELL...that's the lesson that moslems must learn
fatherjesse: In as much as I do not support Israel"s mode of operation in Gaza, I stopped taking Aljazeera serious when they started seeing what Israel does in Gaza as genocide but failed to condemn Hamas for killing, raping and taking hostage of innocent holiday goers
turmacs: You and all those that likes all these your comments on this Israel Palestine issue have made me realise that religion is religion, weather Christianity or Islam, both of them are the same thing.
they are not the same. Muslims will never praise genocidal state like Israel.
When Saudi Arabia and US bombed Yemen for 8 years causing hardship for the locals, Muslims condemned both countries. I did not see any Muslim figures that embraced Saudi's behavior. But in Gaza, we seen pastor Adeboye, a religious figure praying for and praising genocider state of Israel
The terrorist country is cared of truth. It committed genocide against population and killed hundreds of local journalists in history. Yet we have some people here hail Israel as a "God chosen"
I am still waiting for the answer to the question I asked, I don't care about what the Palestinian Christians or Muslims thinks, let's dive into history.