gensteejay:

Ok, thanks for the clarifications.

Recombinant viruses can be engineered as well.

birdman:


As in 2006, 14 years ago? No lol. He is worse in every category than that Miami LBJ except in getting to the rim. He is no longer the physical specimen he used to be and it affects how he imposes his will on the game. Even as a facilitator he is not as good.

That he is still the most valuable player in the league after 20 years is crazy. But father time is knocking.

Typo. I meant the player he was when he lost to Dallas. 2010/11. Across board now he is much better than that player. He was so limited. They slagged off him and forced him to shoot and man could not hit water standing on a boat. I felt for him.

The 2006 Dallas vs Miami finals was so poor and they robbed Dallas.

In fact, Dwayne Wade was a finals MVP courtesy free throws. Sheesh

ToyinDipo:


I have been away from home from a while, when I saw some posts on this thread and some topics on FP about Seyi Makinde, they were very contrasting. So I asked my brother for his candid opinion of Seyi Makinde's performance, he told me Seyi is doing well, judging by people's appraisal of him.

What are your brother's political leanings? I know PDP members see him as their poster child and the APC members see him as an audio governor. Who talks the talk but has no results.

I know his media assistant recently uploaded a picture of some items and praised him for purchasing it against COVID-19. Only problem is, those items were purchased by Sanwo-Olu in Lagos.

izzou:
Wow Wow Wow

They retracted the news because it was fake. The government PLANS to do so and said so but the news was presented that way by businessday out of mischief.

Bville02:


I don't know about that. My people back home told me how good and performing he has been to the people though.

LOL

obainojazz:
you were not your normal erudite self when you made this false claim.. Can you tell us one confirmed case that is as a result of someone landing in a neighbouring country and driving to Nigeria.

It is not a false claim. Virtually all the Osun cases happened this way. The only reason it is not being blown out of proportion is because the state govt was proactive by sending them a bus to bring them in and then quarantining and testing them.

Another case is people who were on a cargo ship. About 6 of them tested positive.

I know more than has been released in the news because I know someone who is in the heart of this issue and when I need information I call the person.

Ibime:


Ok, so you will agree that deaths at home could be underreported?

It could be if families were rejecting the tests. There is no such case in the US because they know the implication to members of the household that tended to the dead person.

Melvyn11:

Tesla doesn't produce ventilators. He bought them from an open auction market in China.

Actually, Telsa produced them. The car manufacturers are doing so in the US to help FG effort. Even MIT released a how-to video with their own invention for makeshift ventilators.

Ibime:


What if the family refuse post mortem?

The family will handle the body themselves. In the hospitals, it has become a standing rule that every corpse be tested for COVID-19

Ibime:


Does that not mean if the person died of Covid, that person would go unreported?

If the person died of COVID it should rightly be categorised as a COVID death.

Ibime:


Who would allow them into ICU?

Most hospitals now in UK look deserted if you film them. It is when you enter ICU that you will see the real koko.

I am saying even some doctors working in ICUs are corroborating my assertion. You mentioned a case about cancer, that the hospital gave a patient 3 weeks to live does not mean they were going to live for exactly 3 weeks. In fact, the first "coronavirus death" in Nigeria was a man who was in the UK for cancer treatment and was given up to die. Which is why he returned to Nigeria, to die. Then he died and Nigeria had to report it as a coronavirus death.

Ibime:


Deaths at home, even in the US will require family consent for post-mortem, which family may not consent to. Even, many of the ones consented to are still awaiting results. Therefore deaths are still underreported as we speak. The data may catch up later.

If you don't consent, nobody is going to touch the corpse. Here in the US, this has become a priority.

hardeycute:
Border was shut down to prevent people from moving, it doesn't stop trade from happening.

You are quoting the wrong person. I am arguing that money is not the issue.

izzou:


Lack of money sir

Not true

If Innoson is offering to build it, why are looking for 500 for free?

Because it is free?

Ukraine and Spain have so many confirmed cases, and are probably running out of areas to purchase. Then you want Musk to pack 500 and give you, wey just get 250 cases and 2 deaths?

No country knows ANYWHERE they can purchase it from.

Let them meet Innoson to build it. Two men fixed the ventilators in a hospital in Jos. With the right tools, equipments and resources, Innoson, Proforce and others can build ventilators for us

After border has been shutdown or before?

Adiwana:


This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So we are comparing closing borders to rice to corona virus?? Was the govt adamant to closing earlier because of backlash they were going to receive or putting their own lives and lives of the citizens above everything else. So why did they now close the borders after cases were confirmed instead of closing it when they had ample time and opportunity to nip this nonsense in the bud??

Please what am I missing??

Of course, you missed the point by 100 miles.

When Nigeria closed her borders to "rice" as you said, the news space was awash with how cruel it was by commentators like you. Today, that singular act is why Nigeria will have rice during this shutdown. It encouraged local production.

The highlighted portion of your post is english I do not understand. You can help me.

Your last question is why I know you don't understand the issue. Not all cases are a result of not closing the border. Nigerians flew to other countries that were not closed and then used the landed border to drive in. How do you stop them at that point?

elrony:


I don't think it's a lie tho, especially on the Ikotun part Odizeey mentioned.

Just saw some video now, with them confirming the bagco sac of rice and bread was what Lagos State allocated to Ikotun LCDA to hand to some of the residents.


Omo that thing no go reach me for two weeks

The VI part is a lie. Also, one of the special assistants of the Lagos state government mentioned specifically that some other private individuals were doing giveaways but many were attributing it to the state government. He specifically mentioned what the give-away should contain. I do not know what he said but you can look it up.

Ibime:


You are wrong. Corona deaths are being widely underreported, especially deaths at home. In UK, some hospitals require consent from your family to release your stats.

In some cases, patients are termed end of life. These are the only ones you can consider as being overreported, and it is up to Hospital execs to make that judgement. We had a patient die from Corona in one of our Hospitals. The patient was given 3 weeks to live with cancer but died within couple days. The Hospital exec was arguing that it shouldn't be ascribed to Corona although she was overruled by the NHS.

I cannot speak for the UK but the USA? Even president Trump agrees because he has hinted at it several times now. Recently, some journalists used their camera phones to record some hospitals in the so-called epicentres asking for a dramatic increase in the number of kits etc. It did not look like they were handling half as many cases as they claimed. This is in addition to the data that I presented.

gensteejay:

It's possible the US has over reported deaths due to COV, maybe to a little extent.

But has the US ever recorded these many deaths (1000+) in a day as we have during this coronavirus period, except during the past plagues/pandemics?

Did Americans just start dying of heart attacks and other medical conditions?

Do you think Italy and Spain also over-reported their deaths from COV?

The death toll for heart dieseases in a day was 1002+ consistent from 2018 into 2019 (even higher in 2018) that I checked. You can do so yourself.

Another thing? Pneumonia deaths in a state like California were close to 500/week in January. By March the deaths reduced to less than 350/ week. Can you guess why? They are using the numbers to augment coronavirus death tolls.

As for Spain and Italy, the same accusations subsist from some of the doctors working there (Twitter, 2020).

gensteejay:

How can you be sure they didn't really die from contracting COV? Could it not be possible that their underlying condition(s) was successfully managed before the outbreak of the pandemic?

I gave an example there. For e.g Heart attack is the number 1 cause of death in the US but if someone died of a heart attack and it was later discovered that he/she had the corona antibody in them (even if they were asymptomatic at the time of death) that death was ruled as a coronavirus death and was added to the death toll.

izzou:


Shut down the airports earlier. Limit our land borders to cargo, as much as possible

Any flight coming in before the stipulated deadline should be checked. All passengers quarantined if possible

That way it's possible to trap all those coming in and then hope we were swift with that

I was shocked when Lai said we were looking for more than 4000 people that flew in. Coupled with Kemi's revelation in Imo state, its possible we have goofed

At this point, we just hope this 2 weeks will be 2 weeks

When govt shut down the borders they were blamed. This was long before the coronavirus.

You could not quarantine everyone. And in the event that they wanted to, passengers lied about their travel history.

When govt banned flights from red hot countries, Nigerians rerouted their flights to other lesser hit countries and then got into Nigeria. Then they lied about their travel history. For e.g that Kemi Olunloyo's story is not even true. The man in question died in Abuja not Owerri as she claimed. And he was ACTIVELY evading healthcare workers. They tried everything to get him until they eventually did after he fled Owerri.

Why was he evading them when they were trying to help? Your guess is as good as mine.

gensteejay:

Reports say they closed their borders as far back as January, immediately the COV news broke out in China. So, it's possible.

However, I'm sceptical about things reported in the media.

For instance, according to the Chinese government and a number of media sources, China has only recorded about 3,300 deaths from coronavirus.

But some citizens say over 40,000 deaths have occurred so far in the country due to the pandemic, but the majority of the cases are not reported.

The death tolls in the US are being over reported too. If someone died of a stroke or a car accident but was also posthumously tested for the coronavirus and was positive, the death was categorised as a coronavirus death.

And yes, such tests are done post mortem. Just so morticians etc can know how to handle the corpse.

raumdeuter:


He omitted one major thing China did, They implemented a military-styled lockdown, If they did only those 2 things he mentioned without the lockdown it would still have been useless. I know a guy in China he said in his University they locked them down since January and only one person per hall goes out to buy groceries for the whole hall

1 China did massive testing because they have local capacity to produce test kits, where will Nigeria get test kits from?
2. Face mask, One per day for each person, Can you calculate how many would be needed for 200m people for 1month or even 2 weeks? who will produce it? or will it be given for free?

Also covering the nose is not the only means of transmission, What we touch, If you enter Danfo do you know how many people will touch the door handle? Any store how many people will touch the door? the goods we exchange?

And if there is mass infection, what will be the solution proposed? If you have seen the hopeless situation in countries with good healthcare, you will dread the thought of it coming anywhere near Nigeria

Have you also considered that there is a very high possibility that China is underplaying the numbers?

1000% sure of this one. They even kicked out any journalists from other countries who alluded to this at the time. Coupled with the fact that they lied that human-to-human contact could not spread the virus. And then lied that it could not be aerosolized.

odizeey:


No need begging cos them no go give you.

1- Are you a regional distribution area?
2- Do you encourage electric cars?


My grouse is you don't leave your health care stranded and go begging. Let them go and meet innoson. He made an offer to them.

There is no harm in trying. He is a fellow African and may show compassion.

You don't know if Innoson is currently working on that. But that does not preclude them from begging for more from Elon. Bigger and more robust healthcare systems are still begging.

izzou:


But then, at least you can agree that the FG could have responded to this better

I'm not talking about the poor health system (that one don dey before Buhari come sef)

I'm talking about nipping this in the bud earlier

You are right but the question is what would you have recommended?

izzou:


Used to be 7 days. Now, it's almost a month because of congestion

That is my point. It is slower than air routes. Governments world over are in utter confusion.

odizeey:

167 in 16 States.

Someone here said us or UK has 150000 ventilators.

What is the percentage difference?

Where was Nigeria when others were getting?

It is not today the health care in Nigeria was neglected but any time you wake up is morning to you.

With over 150K ventilators, the US is still overwhelmed. There is nowhere to purchase them now. They are between $45-75k for one. Even car manufacturers like Ford and Tesla have offered to help produce them to meet high demands.

So there is nothing wrong with Nigeria begging for them. That is my point. The issue is not even money. There is nowhere to buy them from now.

odizeey:

How many ventilators do we have in Nigeria?

Not enough.

eph12:

I have no business with that guy, I just want to ask. Read comments from who? Other twitter users like me and you, or someone official, or his mum, or doctor? Whose comments exactly should we be looking for?

I did not want to plagiarize that is why I referred him to the tweets. Some of the comments there raised good posers with solid GIFs. For e.g in a part of the video he uploaded where he was "showing coronavirus symptoms" he can be seen smiling and one of the commentators mentioned it and gave evidence.

odizeey:

Do we have up to 200 in the whole country? No be wen you don try your best you go cry for help?
What are you even defending?

People dey o.

I asked a question. I did not defend anything.

Criticizing for the sake of criticizing is off-putting and tbh fake.

odizeey:

Your masters suppose flog you for this weak defense.
I'm done with you.

You are not done with me. I never started with you. I asked a question and you responded by throwing fits and ad hominem.

lol @ masters. The people who are party men have owned it. But you are the average hacktivist. Your go-to move is to give a dog a bad name so you can hang it. Of course, you hope it will mask your ignorance. News flash, it will not.

odizeey:
Left our health care in shambles. Paying health care workers peanuts making them insult your life wen you go for treatment. Now you are going to beg on Twitter when you've not made a good account of yourself. Elton musk no go kuku mind them. Mk he direct am to serious people.

We wen don hustle hard go heal with easily. We go survive.

The countries with better healthcare are still begging for ventilators. You can read comments like many others and learn. If you don't make a post you won't expose your ignorance on the subject matter.

izzou:


More than 50% of our imports come in through the sea, not air

As at today, the ports are still working because they attend to goods, not passengers.

What is the turn around time for ports?