frank317:


He is not talking to you.


We all know you believe in God even though you have no idea what he looks like. You don't knw where he is, how his voice sounds... Intact you don't know if he exists... You just believe in him.

You are one very wise son of your father

I know where he Is
I know HE EXIST and can prove it and that's what you're afraid to know.
I don't just believe I must have prove. and that's why I believe.

IF you don't believe in GOD. Then Disprove Cause and EFFECT.

well I have more important things to do than arguing with people who cannot defend their disbelief.

plaetton:


The greater irony here is that the poster in question does not believe in any god.
But don't ever call him an atheist.
No no,.. because he loathes that word and everyone who call themseves atheists.

He says atheism is a religion, but UN-belief is not.
Talk about irony.

I believe In GOD.

FrancisTony:

Indeed

GOOD you know.

meanwhile;
This IS the excerpt.;
Cause and EffectIn logic there is a principle that states: every effect must have an adequate cause. This is the basis of all science. This “law” of correct thinking bears a relationship to the origin of the universe. It is well established that the universe has not existed forever. Dr. Robert Jastrow, internationally known space scientist, declared that “modern science denies an eternal existence to the Universe.”If the universe has not existed forever, how can its origin be explained? There are only two possibilities: it was self-created; or it was created by something or someone other than itself, and of a nature different than thematerial.However, no material thing is able to create itself. If that were possible, there would be evidence of such. But the First Law of Thermodynamics argues that matter is not nowbeing created. Since matter could not have formed itself, it must have anon-materialsource, i.e., a “mind” cause. Great thinkers have concluded that this Mind is God.

FrancisTony:

I'm a chameleon.
I could act as a theist while arguing with protestants and deist/atheist while theist & atheist are arguing.

I am confused.

Then You should be beneath Notice. If I knew that I shouldn't have replied you.

FrancisTony:

I don't even understand what you typed.
I'm talking about God existence not having a proof, not "cause & effect" - by the way, I don't understand what the heck is that....

Really yet you claimed it doesn't have prove instead of humbly asking for meaning.
Well search it out...And you'll know how it relates to The Existence of GOD.
meanwhile just read this excerpt.

Err, I'm not an atheist to-say.
I'm a deist!

You really Err.
I didn't call you an atheist.
I was given an analogy.

Also I believe this is Christian chat box
are you here to look for the truth or to look for posts to counter as your trail shows.

sinequanon:




See the irony!

Both of them have given a list of people that they FOLLOW.

That is what religion is about -- FOLLOWING.

What they believe does not stand in its own right.

It seams you aren't following the discussion.

aaronson:
They believed in that sh1t doesn't mean mark zuckerberg,bill gates,late steve jobs,oprah Winfrey,eddy Griffin,richard dawkins and I are gonna believe in that fabricated fairy tales,we atheist and believe in disbelieve!

Witty Inventions I mean not innovations and "Based Upon" Inventions.

FrancisTony:

I can't dissaprove what doesn't have a proof.

Thank you

Sorry I said Disprove not disapprove
And You say Cause and Effect doesn't have prove eh?
even an atheist can prove it.
Or maybe you don't know what it means.
If you say it doesn't have prove then you are saying you weren't born and nothing can cause something.
Well let me give you the benefit of doubt that you don't know what it means. because even someone who doesn't believe in GOD can prove it.

FrancisTony:

You made it seem like Christian God can be proved.

Oh well'

YEAH WELL. If you're interested you can disprove cause and effect.

manichukk56:
I often ask my self, what is it in man that he needs a creator,why couldn't the universe just be created due to unknown uncertainties...why does the religious man need an invisible skydaddy to help him...when an argument arise between an atheist and a theist, the theist often starts with the false presupposition of a deity which in itself is circular reasoning and a logical fallacy.... Can any theist prove why the universe needs a creator..

This IS Simple Logic.
CAUSE and Effect;
In logic there is a principle that states: every effect must have an adequate cause. This is the basis of all science. This “law” of correct thinking bears a relationship to the origin of the universe. It is well established that the universe has not existed forever. Dr. Robert Jastrow, internationally known space scientist, declared that “modern science denies an eternal existence to the Universe.”If the universe has not existed forever, how can its origin be explained? There are only two possibilities: it was self-created; or it was created by something or someone other than itself, and of a nature different than thematerial.However, no material thing is able to create itself. If that were possible, there would be evidence of such. But the First Law of Thermodynamics argues that matter is not nowbeing created. Since matter could not have formed itself, it must have anon-materialsource, i.e., a “mind” cause. Great thinkers have concluded that this Mind is God.

johnydon22:
Saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that OFF is a t.v station!!! Gerrit??

.
Really PROVE IT.
Off IS not a category
Religion IS
Got it!

FrancisTony:

Paradox

Yes. I m neither a polydeist or an atheist.
I am a Christian.

I am free of gods and depending vain and unprovable Philosophies because I know the Truth. That There IS One GOD and I believe In HIM.

aaronson:
I done read that crap,you gotta understand atheism aint no religion,with that said,that article is clueless and has more insight about nothing,you can have your opinion but not your own fact!...There is more to religion than what meets the eye,population control is real!!!! Yes I'm a proud atheist because I think and my mind isn't as narrow as the proclaimed righteous path your pastor teach,speaking of pastors teaching,they don't really teach religion what they teach is dogma so how am I suppose to blame you being taught what to think and not how to think,I reiterate,ima proud atheist cus I'm mentally and revolutionary free,your bible which calls me fool is as worthless and bogus like a b1tch who refuses giving you head after being paid,that's a no brainer!!! #AtheistTillmyObituary

And also concerning your so called mental freedom. are you more mentally free than;
Isaac Newton
Boyle
Wright Brothers
Kepler
Galileo
Copernicus
just to mention a few.
These are people who shook the world with Substance and not vain philosophies.

or than the Majority of world Population That Believe In GOD.

Cool post... I didn't know you've already posted this so I posted it again.

Atheism IS nothing to reckon with... it's just a loud mouthed, unprovable, Rebellious and Ostrich belief.

aaronson:
I done read that crap,you gotta understand atheism aint no religion,with that said,that article is clueless and has more insight about nothing,you can have your opinion but not your own fact!...There is more to religion than what meets the eye,population control is real!!!! Yes I'm a proud atheist because I think and my mind isn't as narrow as the proclaimed righteous path your pastor teach,speaking of pastors teaching,they don't really teach religion what they teach is dogma so how am I suppose to blame you being taught what to think and not how to think,I reiterate,ima proud atheist cus I'm mentally and revolutionary free,your bible which calls me fool is as worthless and bogus like a b1tch who refuses giving you head after being paid,that's a no brainer!!! #AtheistTillmyObituary

Your are Very right abt the fact that you can have your opinion and not your fact. But Your opinion becomes a fact if you can prove it.
I know you cannot refute these FACT to opinions. @https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1360-three-great-facts-about-god?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5455042515


Also I m mentally and Religiously free because I know the Provable fact.
and you should have read the linked post before commenting.

I wish I could Post this here but it didn't enter;
So please read it here
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1533-atheism-the-no-god-religion?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4731893520[quote][/quote]

I just came across this at ChristianCourier.com

Three Great Facts about God
BY WAYNE JACKSON
How often do you take time to simply “meditate” upon
God? Here are three important truths about God that you
should consider and appreciate.
God: He Exists
Most people believe in God’s existence because, using
their common intelligence, the evidence points in that
direction. But can God’s existence be proved? His
existence cannot be proved empirically (i.e., scientifically)
as one might prove that water freezes at thirty-two degrees
Fahrenheit. But if one uses his logical ability, he can make
a case for God’s existence that is compelling—indeed
irrefutable.
Throughout the history of mankind most people have
believed in the existence of a superhuman, personal
power. If one concedes that humans generally are rational,
this universality of conviction must rest upon some
reasonable basis. There are several lines of evidence that
point to God.
Cause and Effect
In logic there is a principle that states: every effect must
have an adequate cause. This is the basis of all science.
This “law” of correct thinking bears a relationship to the
origin of the universe. It is well established that the
universe has not existed forever. Dr. Robert Jastrow,
internationally known space scientist, declared that
“modern science denies an eternal existence to the
Universe.”
If the universe has not existed forever, how can its origin
be explained? There are only two possibilities: it was self-
created; or it was created by something or someone other
than itself, and of a nature different than the material.
However, no material thing is able to create itself. If that
were possible, there would be evidence of such. But the
First Law of Thermodynamics argues that matter is not
now being created. Since matter could not have formed
itself, it must have a non-material source, i.e., a “mind”
cause. Great thinkers have concluded that this Mind is
God.
Design
There is another logical principle called “the law of
teleology.” It contends that when an object reflects a
purpose, goal, or design, it must have had a designer.
Things do not design themselves. A pair of pliers has two
handles (with grippers), a bolt, and a nut. Everyone
recognizes the design in this simple tool, and rightly
concludes that it did not make itself.
There are millions of examples of design upon the earth.
Consider the human body. The body has a number of
intricately designed living systems that function in
amazing harmony to facilitate the existence of the human
person.
Life itself is a mystery that cannot be explained naturally.
The late Dr. Edwin Conklin, a former professor at Princeton
University, compared the so-called “accidental” creation of
life to the equivalent of an explosion in a printing shop
producing an unabridged dictionary!
The human body is a highly organized machine consisting
of some sixty trillion cells, each a tiny factory with many
components that must work in harmony with precision
and skill. Is this just an accident? Certainly not! Only the
most gullible could believe that.
The average adult has some 206 bones. These provide an
internal framework for the body, protecting the vital
organs. They also function as levers, attachments for
muscles, and they produce chemical elements for the
welfare of the body. If a house cannot build itself, could
mere “nature” build a human body?
The circulatory system contains some one hundred
thousand miles of pipeline (arteries, veins, and capillaries),
which course through the body, providing the cells with
food and oxygen and removing wastes. Does anyone
imagine that the pipe system beneath the city of San
Francisco fashioned itself strictly by chance?
The nervous system consists of the brain, spinal cord, and
the nerves—a tremendously complex arrangement (more
complicated than the phone system of a major city) that
transmits information by means of nerve impulses at the
speed of 300 miles per hour from the brain to various
parts of the body.
The brain itself is a vast library of information. Carl Sagan,
an atheist, estimated that the human brain has the
information equivalent of a library of some twenty million
books. Does anyone believe that the Library of Congress
came together by chance? Reflecting upon the brain,
Oxford atheist professor, Richard Dawkins, in commenting
upon the complexity of the brain, exclaimed: “If anyone
doesn’t agree that this amount of complex design cries
out for an explanation, I give up.” Unfortunately, he had no
explanation.
Moral Sensitivity
There is, within all human beings, a sense of ethical
“oughtness,” i.e., the awareness that there is a difference
between “right” and “wrong.” Men may disagree on what
constitutes right and wrong, but the concept of morality
itself is universal. How can the presence of moral
sensitivity be explained? There are but two possibilities:
the “conscience” (i.e., the notion that right and wrong
exist) either was implanted by the Creator at the time of
humanity’s genesis, or else it merely “evolved,” and is a
self-imposed ideology.
If man’s measure of good and evil is a self-manufactured
impulse, then every person becomes his own “god,”
setting the rules of conduct as he sees fit. While it is the
case that morality is essential for the order and
preservation of society, that by no means restrains the
rebel who thinks he can violate common law and do as he
pleases; and if he manages to escape the temporal
consequences of lawlessness, he believes he has no
moral culpability. Atheist philosopher Jean Paul Sartre had
it right: “Everything is indeed permitted if God does not
exist.”
The evidences for God’s existence are vast. Believe!
God: He Cares
For many people, the great obstacle to belief in God is the
problem of suffering. If humanity suffers, can there be a
God who really cares? Because men cannot subject all
suffering to meaningful analysis, the assumption
sometimes is made that there cannot exist a benevolent
God.
The problem is framed like this: if God wishes to prevent
evil, but cannot, he is not all-powerful; if he can prevent
suffering, but will not, he is not good; if he has both the
power and will to eliminate suffering, then why is such in
the world? The fallacy of the argument is in the
assumption that there is no good purpose to be served by
allowing suffering in the world.
No one should be so presumptuous as to assert that man
can completely understand the problem of suffering.
Humanity is not privy to the entirety of the mind and
purposes of God (Romans 11:33). Enough answers are
provided in the Bible, however, to allow us to accept that
inexplicable percentage on the basis of faith.
First, when one raises the question of suffering, he is
appealing to some universal system of justice which
suffering allegedly violates. But, if there is no God, hence
no universal system of “rightness,” why would suffering be
deemed evil? Consider carefully the following.
God is a being of love (1 John 4:8,16). But love allows
freedom of choice, and where there is freedom, there is the
possibility that finite beings will make wrong choices.
Wrong choices can entail suffering. If all choices, good
and bad, produced the identical effect, how would one
ever learn to choose the former and reject the latter? Or
even want to? Thus, where there is freedom of will, there is
the inevitable consequence that finite beings must be
allowed to suffer the consequences of their choices.
The Consequence of Choice
There are multiple causes of suffering in the world. We
frequently suffer due to our personal wrong choices . If a
man steals and goes to prison, whose fault is it (cf. 1
Peter 4:15)? Much suffering is a consequence of other
people’s misuse of choice. Would we covet freedom for
ourselves, yet deny it to everyone else? An innocent
person may be killed in an auto wreck involving a drunk
driver. We sometimes pay the price for others’ freedom to
make decisions.
Some suffering is the result of freedom as abused by
former generations.
read fully @https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1360-three-great-facts-about-god?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5455042515