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jmoore:
Your likes belong to stone age.

I wonder how you will train your daughters.

Pathetic!

History won't remember people with mentality like you.

America isn't stone age yet they haven't had a female President in their 250+ years


China and Russia alike
Are they also living in their stone age?

yemmit90:
Lolz, you think this is Nigeria or African countries where all institutions are barely functions withiout direction of president.

Is it happening same way in China and Russia?


Are they third world countries too?


Any small thing "U think this is Nigeria?"

Yorubastardz:
When they say Yorubas respect their elders
I laugh in Japanese and Afghanistanese


If you're offended by the Truth.
Look at yourself in the Mirror
And Shout "My Username" 10 times

You make the group stink

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Lemme start this way. I bumped into a thread yesterday where they analyzed the Trump vs Harris debate and they made mention of a debating tactics called Gish Galloping. That shii best defines your method of argument and it even highlighted every single feeling i've complained about as regards debating with you. It means 'A Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, often without regard for their accuracy or strength. This rapid-fire delivery makes it difficult for the opponent to address each point effectively, potentially leading to confusion or the appearance of being unprepared. Gish galloping can be a powerful tool for someone who is less knowledgeable about a subject, as it can create the illusion of being well-informed and knowledgeable. However, it's ultimately a dishonest and ineffective debating tactic.'. Thats you.
https://www.nairaland.com/8210550/trump-vs-kamala-debate-lessons#131959515


Now back to your questions.

Firstly, I am not saying that there are no alternative explanations for complexity. I acknowledge other theories but the problem is that the other theories have too many gaps, assumptions, inconsistencies and are so incoherent that its hard to even use them to prove complexities in any logical debate. Evolution and Natural Selection/Creationist arguments seem to be more sound than the rest and thats why most people Naturally lean towards them

Lets assume we go with Big Bang: The Big Bang theory explains the creation of the universe but falls short in explaining how life first evolved. Furthermore, some scientists have stated that the Big Bang theory is insufficient to explain how the universe came into being. Some even went so far as to say that "to explain the original creation of the universe, another theory describing even earlier times will be needed."

Also, when you consider most of the things written in Stephen Hawkings books like the A brief history of time or On the origin of the universe, you'd see man made more bogus claims than Bible Believers.

Plus(I know you'd cancel this but make i still talk)...When a nuclear bomb explodes, matter is converted uncontrollably into energy, leading to chaos, as was demonstrated in 1945 when these bombs completely destroyed Hiroshima and much of Nagasaki in Japan. But the universe is lovely and harmonious, far from chaotic! That theory wouldnt answer many questions about life on a molecular level sef.

ll) Another one is Panspermia: This one is easily discarded because it also didnt address the topic of how life first began, also, its proposition that life on Earth could not have originated spontaneously but that it had to have come from the outer space and then floated into Earth, only serves to relegate the issue of life's origin to a more distant and forbidding context. We all know that life in the harsh atmosphere of outer space would face several hostile. So, is it possible that life originated on its own somewhere in the cosmos, made it to Earth under extremely difficult circumstances, and eventually evolved into life as we know it? Of course not. Who would lean towards this

Theories of life emergence by philosophers(Artists and the Ancient Grecian guys) is total bull crap.

There might be a middle stance for one to consider outside Evolution or Creation, it vould even still be under Science but I assume that theory hasnt just been developed by anyone so far, so yea, we all are either for evolution or Creation. No other third stance.



2) Now, you keep latching on to the notion of "design", using "complexity" to reinforce your standpoint. Ignoring the fact that your idea or concept of complexity could just be based on your own subjective assessment of what is considered complex, I need to understand what your definition of complex is, and what tools you use to measure complexity.


This isnt from my standpoint and it has nothing to do with my subjective assessment and thats the reason why i dropped multiple Scientific reasech articles to prove to you that even they, in their conclusions agreed that these things are too Complex to be explained away by just fictionally throwing in Natura Selections

I didnt in any of my argument speak from my own perspectives and thats because i know i'm relevant in the grand scheme of things. That led me to bring in those screenshots and in every one of them, the Scientists agreed they were Complex.
If a researcher , after all his experiments documented that that Natural selection didnt apply, why why should i agree with you, a zealous Atheists with no known journal written from experimental researches, one who is only wishing that Science should remain perfect with zero failure. You can check those weblinks I dropped



2)On the Dichotomy Between Intelligent Design and Natural Selection:
I agree that natural selection and intelligent design aren't inherently antagonistic. Most Creationists that I know of and the few i read about, believe an intelligently planned framework governs the processes of natural selection. According to them and what I also believe , the origin of life and the emergence of large systems cannot be explained by natural selection, but it can explain small changes and adaptations within species(Variation, mutation or everything Microevolution). Although organisms may adapt to their circumstances through natural selection as seen in the wild, the fundamental complexity of life itself suggests a higher design


An example to this, is "Darwin Finches". I saw a Journal by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in the United States and i followed through because it modeled what Darwin did from Day1 and it turned out to prove some Microevolution

Thing is, As one who understand Scientific concepts and all, its unreasonble and impossible to discard Natural Selection entirely, cause of Microevolution, only that its hard to rely on it as the answer to everything, especially when Researchers and Some notable Scientists who have explored our Universe themselves were forced at a point to agree that these things are highly organized
I agree these Natural selection may have done its part, but it still did it under someones guide and direction

In his book "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow. In Chapter 1, "The Rules of the Game," on page 7 of the 2011 edition, Hawkings said something about Law of Universe and the Principle guiding them


in his book "The Nature of Space and Time" (1999), Stephen Hawking said again that:

“The idea that the universe is governed by a set of principles is not merely a concept but a fundamental aspect of reality. The organization we see in the universe arises from these deep-seated principles.

Einstein said same about our highly organizational Universe when he said "The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism."

I dont even want to start with Kepler, Copernicus and Newton and thats because we all know they were Theists with limited Knowledge in an era where disbelief is considered heretic. I deliberately left out quotes Modern Biologists and Evolutionists cause you may not know most of them

My point is that , I'm trying to Appeal to Authority here to show you that not only the laymen with zero understanding of Science would biasedly see everything as Intelligent desig, but that even the most highly revered and most notable Scientists agreed that our Universe and everything in it is so structured that everything screams a "Grand Design" and they did this even in their unbelief

So its not just me...They inclusive


And for the harderst question you asked" More importantly, I want to know how you can recognize design, and how you can tell a designed object from a non-designed object. Basically for you to understand what is classified as a living thing, you have to understand what is classified as a non-living thing as well.

I will reply later in the evening and reply it separately but lemme quickly chip this in

"Assume you were informed that an unabridged dictionary was created when ink from the explosion splattered onto the walls and ceiling of a printing company. Could you believe it? How much more incredible is it that a random big bang created the ordered universe and everything in it?"

Okay, lets move away from big bang, let explore Richard Dawkins Organic Soup formation theory

According to evolutionary theory, the two main processes leading to the emergence of life are
(1) the presence of the appropriate primitive atmosphere and
(2) the concentration of an organic soup of "simple" molecules required for life in the oceans.
)3)These give rise to nucleotides and proteins, which are complicated chemical substances that
(4) unite and acquire a membrane,
(5) generate a genetic code, and (6) begin replicating.
Whats the probabilities of all all these coming up randomly?

I would have like to break them down from you using already carried out experiments but u go talk say I dey poke holes for Science, I just wanna debunk the "Undesigned" myth or can i carry on?


Its fine if you dont want that. I still have more evidences of design. I will now add Our Universe and The Human Eyes to the list

1)Our Universe
2)Animal Eyes
3) Human Brain
4)DNA complexities in that order

And no, Im not throwing God into the mix, na calculations, pattern checking, weaving and arrangements we wan do. We want to see how architecturally and mathecatically precise this socalled Designer is

















To distinguish between designed and non-designed objects, creationists look for systems that exhibit irreducible complexity—where all parts are necessary for function and could not have evolved through gradual, step-by-step processes. In contrast, non-designed objects (such as rocks or clouds) show randomness or lack of purpose. They don’t have the same level of functional complexity or serve an intricate role that suggests intentionality.

That aside, lets consider some things first
If a clever designer is needed for the copy, what about the original?

This incredibly agile aircraft imitates the wings of a seagull.

The feet of a gecko are dirt-free, never leave a trace, cling to anything but Teflon, and are easy to attach and remove. Scientists are attempting to replicate them.

A vehicle concept was inspired by the boxfish's surprisingly low drag shape.

No stress am boss


Those paid groups stand only for themselves


There are many bigger issues a supposed Lagos Indigene could press for, like asking for some slots to be exclusively made available to them and other requests like that but na "Standing behind Igbo" be their worry . Wheres the sense in that


You should know thats fake group

I guess it has to do more with their health history/ underlying health issues

Another thread for Anti-Religious fellows to gnash their teeth


RIP to her.

The US having a female President is gonna set bad precedent for World powers and their wannabes(China,Russia alike no be UK, Germany o)

Its the hardest thing to wrap my head around. I wish history can skip this

This man is also from Akwa-Ibom, then he is just jealous of the number 3 citizen of the country

And what is TUC UK?
Are they the UN or what?

Nigeria is a sovereign country and mini group from wherever can go puff themselves if they arent cool with how we do our things


We are too big to seek validations from a mini group from one country 1000miles away


I wander why people care about random opinions from random groups with zero benefits to our country

Female president their foot

Trump all the way

Malroux:
He only disappointed tribal bigots, not sane and detribalized Nigerians. We already knew he will fail woefully and we shouted from the rooftops but they didn't listen. What Tinubu cannot destroy does not exist.

Rest

As if you know a better candidate

4 out of your 5 state GOVS still pay 18k minimum wage in 2024

Na una wey dem wan follow be that?

If you ask Dangote, he really thinks the first few months of PBAT is a success. Why?

He believes so because he(Dangote) has has been able to attain his highest level as a Businessman and an Investor under this regime


A new Govt, a new level for Local investors and the biggest opportunities abound for them now


God bless whoever made it possible for Dangote to do this
God bless Dangote

Candidlady:
Enjoyable maybe but not healthy

Those who eat healthy crashed with a plane, some drown in pools and others were victims of building collapsed9not trying to be insensitive)

You dont have to turn everything into Nutritional campaign

Rest. Its just about Eba, not about the Nutritional percentage

PDP is the worst thing to ever happen to this country

They corrupted the system so bad that they indirectly taught every other groups, parties and people how to cheat and still publicly brag about it


PDP isnt even in power, yet they still successfully turned NLC into one of their wing-men.


This statement from the NLC guy is very undemocratic

Medipharm:
Waiting for Peter Obi will never be president crew them.

Is this Peter Obi Presidential grand entrance?

See wetin u dey celebrate


Pastors for crusade ground dey get pass this population

They came out to see the loser

In a supposed "Obidient headquarter", is this all they can present to us to see?


Paid crowd. They will still find beans at home

Fireboy tho

I understand the need to always wanna brag about your tribe and i do that too but theres no direct link between the two

If at all, theres a tribe that sound "Ebatic", but obviously, its not Yoruba

Shame on all liars

Reno keeps trampling them under his feet


Like their principal Obi, they keep loosing back to back

Mods should stop bringing LizzySamuel threads to the FP without first confiming the authenticity

Within two days, two of her lying news have been exposed. The Kwakwaso Supporter and now this

There should be punishment for these kinda lies too



Shame on all Reno haters

U go just go twitter go screenshot tweets and comments from some irrelevancies, who are half as bright as i was in SS2, and bring it here for us to read



Chinonso, try dey relax abeg

I dont understand how hard it is to discard this shii and start using Gregorian Calendar and not because we all are using it, but because the birth of Jesus around 1CE was the closest way to calculate humans first appearance on Earth

The Julian Calendar would have even made more sense than this


So, a real 30yo guy could still be with his parent claiming 22yo in Ethiopia

kk2027:
Presidency has the guts to compare Nigeria election with US election?

For Tinubu that cannot attend debates

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Not a Constitutional requirement

They only compared figures with identical personality, not the entire Election process


Read and read again, Chidalu

In my clan, they call this Pity griiigooory a Distabilizer, our high Chiefs call him a "Dissembler"


Truth is, Pity giiiriiiigoooory should be compared to a far lower entity, not Trump

Trump at his peak was once a U.S President, but that Agulu loser, at the peak of his political nonsense, was just a failed VP candidate to a serial loser


Our apologies, Donald