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TenQ:
Only Qur'an-Only Muslims will deny this because it is extremely Sahih.

This is the reason all the knowledgeable Muslims on NL avoid discussing it

There exist no single Islamic scholar that reject the hadith. Their scholars did not factor in the implication of the hadiths otherwise they would have found usual excuses to class it as Daif or Maudu . Moreover, several hadiths say this from many sources

TenQ:
1. Who is the one called Al-Azeez?
Who is the one called Al-Muhyee?
Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ?

Are these the names of Allah or not?


2. You saying Yes, Meaning that Allah leaves his throne temporarily to come down to the lowest heaven and return before daybreak BUT according to you
Allah doesn't come to earth like the others God and does not die like the others God
No problem!

How does Allah go back to his throne once he descends to the lowest heaven because 24/7 there is always a place that is at the third part of the night?
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SMH just go and sleep
May you receive a better brain like kobojunkie
Na shit they ur head
In other words, Allah is the Prince of this WORLD!
Do you agree with this?

advocatejare:
Stop lying. There is no where in the Quran where Allah is referred to as king not to talk of King of Kings !


Which English translation is this? You’re just trying to insert that is not there as being there. The word you translated as King is Malik, if Malik means King then Al-Fatiha vs 4 should read “King of the Day of Recompense.” but all the standard English translation never
used king and since you yourself knew that it doesn’t make sense, you decided to leave surah 1:4 out of your fabrication of list of verses you gave to erroneously named Allah a king

TenQ:
Good!

Meaning that Allah leaves his throne temporarily to come down to the lowest heaven and return before daybreak!

Is this correct?
But he doesn't come to earth like the others God and does not die like the others God
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Who is the one called Al-Azeez?
Who is the one called Al-Muhyee?
Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ?

TenQ:
Who is the one called Al-Azeez?
Who is the one called Al-Muhyee?
Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ?


I asked you:
Is it true that Allah comes down to the first heaven every third part of the night to hear you Muslims pray?

What is difficult in rejecting or accepting this position

SIRTee15:
U becoming incoherent. I think we just wasting time now.
You be been busted once again.

U kept skipping the phrase 'spirit of God' in Mathew 3. Whether it's deliberate I don't know. But what's certain is that spirit of God belongs to someone- who is the owner of the spirit.

In John 5 U quoted, who was Jesus speaking to....
Are are the 'You' Jesus was referring to....

Either answer the questions otherwise I will ignore u.
Don't have time for waffling....

NeoWanZaeed:
Prophet said EAT with 3 fingers.

I'm surprised you can't grasp the meaning of EAT

YOU DRINK PAP AND DRINK GARRI NA..

TenQ:
Can you see how you dodged ALL my questions as usual?
Luk 9:35:

"And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."
A voice whose voice because alot of people are in even elders, prophets, angels whose among them got the voice
Because when they asked Jesus he said you never hear the God oooo and he said they shouldnt mind John he got bad memory🤣🤣🤣🤣


John 5:19:
"Then answered Jesus and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do: for what things soever he does, these also does the Son likewise."
But Jesus said you never sees the appearance of God likewise, what you sees the father do doesn't mean he saw him

Is God's name the Truth ?
Is God's name the Life ?

1. Jesus is Al-Azeez (the Almighty)
Rev 1:8:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."


2. Jesus is Al-Muhyee (the Life)
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE: no man comes to the Father, but by me."
And the Jesus said that or God🤣🤣
3. Jesus is Al-Haqq (the Truth)
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the TRUTH: and the Life no man comes to the Father, but by me." you cherish our named so much that you made it reference you can't help urself with it


Who is the one called Al-Azeez?
Who is the one called Al-Muhyee?
Who. is the one called AL-HAQQ?


See how easy it is to answer your own questions?

Till tomorrow, I am still awaiting you to answer my questions?

Ohyoudidnt:
The qibla direction for Muslims is determined based on the shortest path, known as the great-circle route, between their current location and the Kaaba in Mecca. This calculation takes into account the curvature of the Earth to ensure that Muslims are facing towards Mecca during their prayers.

If the Earth were flat, the concept of facing a specific direction towards Mecca would not be feasible for Muslims around the globe. On a flat Earth, determining a universal qibla direction would be impossible, as different locations would have different directions pointing towards Mecca. The curvature of the Earth plays a crucial role in accurately calculating the qibla direction for Muslims worldwide.


In conclusion, if the Earth were flat, it would not be possible for all Muslims to face towards Mecca during prayer due to the geographical implications of a flat surface. The spherical shape of the Earth allows for accurate qibla calculations that enable Muslims globally to orient themselves towards the Kaaba in Mecca during their worship.


NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is a reliable source for information on astronomy and Earth’s shape, supporting the understanding of how the Earth’s curvature affects directional calculations.

SIRTee15:
At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.

Who is the owner of that spirit, that's my question.
Who did Jesus say is his father?

Jesus didnt say no one has heard the voice of the father, that's you lying agaisnt Jesus and putting words in his mouth.
Jesus said You have never heard his voice- Jesus was talking to the pharisees. Prophets of GOD including Abraham and Moses heard from God. The only prophet who never heard the voice of God was muhammed.

Kobojunkie:
Stop saying things you don't know or understand for Pete's sake!

Right there in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ urged His followers to use the understanding they have in order to then have more understanding given to them by the Father - Mathew 13 vs 10 - 17 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 28 & Matthew 25 vs 29 ..... My current understanding is what I have to use. Again, if you have evidence to refute the claims made, bring it on, or stay your lane.

SIRTee15:
So who has the spirit that descended from heaven. The spirit must belong to someone in heaven, isn't it?
So who is the owner...you tell me.

The spirit of God indicates the presence of God. If the spirit of God came down from heaven into the son, who is speaking in heaven? As U can see, that's Trinity.

Psalm 139.7

Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.



Again show me where Moses or any elder called Jesus my son. Just one verse.

MaxInDHouse:
You like jokes walahi talahi!

Putin that's a politician ordering people to go and kill people.

Ọmọ this Islam never blinded me up to this before i realized that it's full of deceit i am more intelligent than your Allah and prophet to be deceived.

A supreme one must be able to settle disputes among his servants peacefully that's how i got to find out that your Allah and the god of these churchians is FAKE!

Kobojunkie:
Scripture is not about that which is welcoming but rather about realizing that which is of God and of His Truth.

As I explained, I assume the 24 elders to have been the Prophets of Old -- they came into the world before Jesus Christ-- all of whom came with mandates from God Himself--- they were of Heaven ---, Holy(dressed in White), and Righteous men(wore crowns) who also spoke of the coming of the New agreement which they are all realized was the end goal to come(they worshipped the Lamb of God).

If you have concrete evidence to disprove my claim, go for it. Otherwise, stay away from topics you are unwilling to do some homework on.

SIRTee15:
No contradiction at all. Jesus was speaking to the Pharisee in John 5, I already explained. And the context was given.

Show me any of the FF that has the spirit of God
Among people from(who are in ) heaven we have Abraham, Moses, Jacobs Angel your 24 elders and alot of people who voice is that among them.

Which one of them has the spirit of God? because it was the spirit of God that descended from heaven into Jesus, not spirit of Moses, angel or elders.

Show me any verse in the bible where Moses, angels, or elders called Jesus my son. Just one verse.

MaxInDHouse:
At least people carrying weapons against other humans aren't followers of the man who commanded saying:
LOVE your neighbors as yourself! Mark 12:31
LOVE and pray for your enemies! Luke 6:27-28
LOVE your fellow believers! John 13:34-35

So you're deceiving yourself if you keep calling them his followers.

Even love your neighbor said I didn't bring PEACE rather sword..what did he want to used the sword for

He command his desciples to buy weapons,like merchant even if they don't have money they should sell something to buy it...for what
You remember Peter cut someone ear when they want to seize your lord
What are they using those weapons for
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And as for people accusing those that have not wronged them of course they don't have any evidence until they are wronged nah!

SIRTee15:
Matthew 3

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

So who among the heavenly hosts U mentioned has the spirit of God.
Angels, Patriarch, elders or the FATHER.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Jesus said he's a son to who? Father, patriarch, angels or elders.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!” (Matthew 16:15-17).


So I really don't understand the correlation of my beloved son to elders or angels. There's only one person who say such in heaven and that's the Father.

In John 5 Jesus said this to the Pharisees

And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.

Jesus also reiterated above in book of Matthew

MAT 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

MAT 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed

Jesus made it clear that the Pharisees don't hear because they cant- they need to believe in the one the Father sent but they rejected him.
So they can neither see nor hear from God.

Pharisees existed at a times the shikenah Glory of God had departed from the temple and the priest no longer have any direct contact or relationship with God. The Pharisees were not receiving any revelation from God either. They were waiting for the Messiah to open up that pathway of communication btw mankind and God. That Messiah was Jesus.

However Jesus affirmed his source and that people can once again heat from the father through him multiple times while on earth. An example is John 12.

28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Kobojunkie:
I do not have a second witness given that I have yet to do research into the claim made by John. So all I have is an opinion to offer. If you have a more informed opinion then bring it.

Kobojunkie:
You have to open your brain and read the book to find the answer you seek. One thing I know for a fact is you have never in fact done so before now. So any more attempts to speak more on this from a point of ignorance would be just more of the same from you..

Kobojunkie:
So because an anonymous source claimed that only John knew of the 24, you took it on yourself to broadcast it as a fact? Are you for real?

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's obvious that you're a muhammadan for real and not a believer (Muslim) because if JWs are raping themselves and abusing their own children how has that affected others?

It's like saying:
"Boko Haram are terrorists since they're terrorizing their own members"

Yet many are still joining them.

Haba, this is common sense nah!

You can't accuse someone of stealing trying to make the accused one a criminal in the society but when asked what offense did he commit you say "he stole his father's yam yet the family is still proud of him"

So what exactly has he done to you or your own community?

Nothing!

Islamists are terrorizing neighbours who have nothing to do with your Allah that's what really stinks not lies that you can't defend anywhere!

Kobojunkie:
How exactly did you come to confirm that only John knew of the 24 elders he mentioned? Did you read through the entirety of Scripture for this or like before you assume that simple opening your trap in ignorance is all it takes to answer these things?

SIRTee15:
Mat 3.16
And a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased.”

John 12

28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine.

Kobojunkie:
Christians, Catholics and their many Scholars are religious entities such as yourself. I don't subscribe to religious interpretations of things including Scripture or anything of that sort. If you wish to make claims then be sure to back them all up with evidence.

Kobojunkie:
so the way you choose to see it (opinions mind you) is that :
(a) no one else in Scripture mentioned the 24 elders
(b) John probably made it all up

Aren't those equally defences you offer from your major point of ignorance of what is contained in Scripture?

NeoWanZaeed:
Do you eat Pap? Do you eat gaari?

Tyriq:
Where is the fairness and justice

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself.

So terrorists are raping their own children or terrorizing others?

Antiislaam:
Jesus Christ is a Christian according to your imamu when he himself is Christ abi?




Your own Jesus carry kettle, perform ablution before Asolat, banged his head on the ground 5 times a day, kiss and cycling the shrine you called kaaba right?
The houris her the beautiful females specially made for the righteous men's who gain the paradise and our wife or wives will be there senior in paradise.. thier description was so beautiful that cant imagine beyond ...your brain can't carry it😂😂😂🫣🫣
Note it's what we will see after the here- after


Not some lie giving to you by someone who wrote the jagon called bible...lied againt alot of this changing verse removing, editing from time to time and claimed it's is word of God

Antiislaam:
Jesus Christ is a Christian according to your imamu when he himself is Christ abi?




Your own Jesus carry kettle, perform ablution before Asolat, banged his head on the ground 5 times a day, kiss and cycling the shrine you called kaaba right?




The big deal there is that you are showing how gullible you are




Why not tell us about your houris and if any of your ancestors have seen them before

MaxInDHouse:
None!

That's why Vladimir Putin first attacked JWs in his country labelling us "TERRORISTS" in 2017 because we keep preaching and teaching about PEACE among people.
So how do you expect the followers of the man who commanded his disciples to LOVE their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} LOVE and PRAY for their enemies {Luke 6:27-27} and have LOVE among themselves as sign that they're his disciples {John 13:34-35} to join others in killing?

It's either you're not smart or you're deceiving yourself!