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airmark:
Timbros eyes are defective. Magnify the image so that the font size will be like 80pts.

This is Maguire goal against Chelsea....

Help me ask him, if Rudiger is to be blame for the goal

timbros:
The first part of that definition have already told you what zonal marking is all about. You don't mark a player. You cover a zone.

I don't know how you can lose a player you are not marking.

I don tire abeg.

So you mean google is lying also....

The main aim of Zonal marking is to kill all the threat from each area of the field,... its not SOCIAL DISTANCING like you are thinking.

If a striker enters a zone belonging to Zouma and score,... Zouma is at fault for the goal...

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The aim is to clear the ball out of your zone

If an opponent was in your zone, you're to clear the ball

If there is no opponent in your zone, you are to still clear the ball

No matter what, you must clear the ball. Clearing the ball is your goal, whether you see any opponent or not

You are just repeating what you both are saying indirectly. Some of us are reading

Don't make it stressful for us, please [/color]

What if the player enter your zone, and you coudnt clear the ball or mark him out, and he end up scoring..

Did you loose the player??

timbros:
I think I have answered that before.

I think google cnt be wrong.

And my definition and explanation align with google..... when a player, enter your zone, you mark the player...if you cant do that, you may loose the player

Rudiger was at fault for Maguire's goal,... so this will help you understand.

timbros:
No, you didn't lose him.

It means you failed to protect your zone very well.

Losing a player means you are marking a player, following him around and somehow he evades you to nod the ball. You have lost him. It might be as a result of his clever run, or you slipped while following him, or bodies blocked you and he went off.... All these can't happen when you are marking a zone.

If you agree with this google definition......

when a player enter your zone,..... you are to mark the player.......so if the player beat you to the ball,...did you loose him??

Timbros,

I told you, sometimes the way opponent attacks set-piece will determine which marking style you will use.

The reason England were king of set-piece at 2018 world, was because they make opposition to zone -mark(which is very hard and confusing)

This is the goal Maguire scored against Sweden,.....look at the way england are lining up to attack the corner, Sweden was Man-marking instead of Zone-marking

timbros:
That was never my definition.

You mark your zone and if the ball drops in your zone, of course you are expected to clear the ball and if an opposing player is attacking the ball that moment, it means you have marked him by clearing the ball that drops in your zone.

That scenario is different from when the coach before the game says Expert17 mark Airmark, he is your man. In this case Expert will gum body with airmark everywhere not minding any zone. This is where you can lose your man.

What if you are unable to clear the ball,..and the opponent in your zone score....... who is at fault for the goal?? have you lost the man, you are marking in your zone??

timbros:
So how will you lose a player you have only 3secs to identify?

Ferdinard lost Messi in how many seconds there??

timbros:
1. Every coach goes into a game with a tactic in place. Either zonal marking or man marking. However, during the course of the game, if the defenders are struggling with that tactic the coach can tweak.

2. The defending players don't stand man to man with any body so you can't lose who you are not standing with. The problem is when a player misjudge their zone and an attacking player pounce in his zone. That is where experience comes in.

And the bolded is just hilarious. That you played professional football doesn't mean jack. Gary Neville wouldn't have conceded all those goals as a coach in Valencia that led to losing games and ultimately led to him being sacked because he played as a defender.

My definition of Zone marking= you mark a zone, when a player enter the zone, you mark the player...

Your definition= you only mark the zone, you dont mark player.

Since you are still arguing,... i have to consult google to help us,.... i know you cant argue with google.

timbros:
Expert17 can you identify who is marking who in this image? Can you lose who you are not marking?

When the ball is on the air, ... Those attacking the ball, will enter those zone the defenders are protecting., .....thats when you will have a man to Mark.

That's why Chelsea defenders can't zone mark.....you will only know the player you are contesting with, like 3 secs before the ball lands...
So you need high concentration.

timbros:
Did Messi and Ferdinand contest that ball and Messi won?

Ferdinard was zone- marking by protecting the area in front of goal, .. Messi enter the same zone, ferdinard was trying to protect and score.

Ferdinard should have dealt with Messi, so he is at fault for the goal.

timbros:
When you say Luke Shaw loses Fabinho, it mean Luke Shaw has Fabinho as his man in a man marking system. The same cannot be said of a zonal marking system.

Most goals conceded in zonal marking system is two players misjudging their zones in a millisecond and the opposing attacker pounce to nod the ball home. Check most goals we concede from set pieces, it's always a free nodding. Sometimes one will wonder "why should that guy freely nod that ball like that? Who should be marking him?" The answer is, no one really is marking him. Just that 2 neighbouring zone markers thinking the other person got it covered and in that millisecond of switching off, an opponent pounces.

That is where experience comes in. Chelsea defenders are struggling with this system. At some point, Lampard will change tactics to mixed zonal marking to salvage the game. But mostly Lampard too believe in zonal marking but our players are yet to master the system very well. And yes you are right, put Terry, Carvalho, Cahill and they will do better with their experience.

To clarify again, a defender don't lose a man in zonal marking because he was not assigned any man to mark in the first place.

I played professional football (goalkeeper) at some stage..

So when am telling you stuffs about defending......please stop arguing.

1. The way opponent plan to attack a corner, might determine if you gonna use Zonal marking or not.

2. When a man enter your zone/area in zonal marking, ... Thats your man......so you can loose your man, ( example, Maguire beating Rudiger to the ball and scoring against Chelsea)

In Zonal marking, you are assigned to a zone/area in the field..... The opponent will assign them selve to each zone, ... Thereby leading to you having a man to mark.

timbros:
Again, I won't follow you in goal post shifting.

That goal was Ferdinand's fault 100%. No argument.

However what brought about Messi vs Ferdinand is not positioning, but winning aerial balls.
I said it will be something special if a player like Son or Messi with their physique won VVD in an aerial ball then Pkasso mentioned Messi vs Ferdinand as if they contested an aerial ball and Messi won then you confidently replied "thank you o"...

In that gif, did both of them contest the ball?

How do you win aerial balls without positioning?

timbros:
I already explained the bolded in my last post.

Instead of you to accept you made a mistake to say Rudiger loses his man in a zonal marking you will just be looking for ways to shift goal post. Accept your mistake and move on.

When a player enter your zone, in zonal marking...... Thats your man.

That's why, in some games, you will see short players, for example, LUKE SHAW contesting/marking a tall player like FABINHO in corners, .....thats because Fabinho enter Shaw zone...... This is so simple.

Go and watch Maguire's goal against Chelsea this season. You will understand Rudiger loosing his man.

airmark:
If you ask timbros what we call blindside defending, he will be looking like Ferdinand in that gif.

Lols...

He doesn't know the meaning of Zonal marking, you are saying blindside defending

timbros:
Did you see the gif ChristineC posted above?

And to think you typed that "thank you o" with confidence ehn!

So you dnt know that, Ferdinard should either deal with the cross or Messi??

You no sabi ball

airmark:
Itmbros no know ball. Same as nitrogen.

He just dey change mouth....

As if, we haven't played football.

timbros:
You don't get it.

In zonal marking, nobody marks anybody. You only mark an area. E.g when a corner kick is about to be played, all the players already knows the patch of areas he will cover if the ball comes. So whether it's Aguero, Jesus, Otamendi, Fernadinho, Sterling or whoever enters Rudiger's zone and the ball comes there, it is Rudiger's responsibility to attack and clear. Now this system is different from Man marking that Rudiger will be told to mark Aguero. So if its time for corner kick, Rudiger will always be with Aguero wherever he going. His job is 'don't lose Aguero'...

Now you said the bolded earlier...



You are wrong and I want to correct that.

Rudiger don't lose any player in zonal marking system because he doesn't mark any player. He only marks his zone.

So when a player enter the zone?? He keeps on marking the zone / the grass



The meaning of marking zone = you should be the one winning the header/ball in a particular area of the field ......you should make sure, no mistake/goal from your zone

ChristineC:
do you now agree there are at least three midfielders better than Henderson this season?

so our midfield can be
KdB (CMF) Ndidi (DMF) Maddison (AMF)

it's like I can see another forward here.

If you think Ndidi and Maddison played better than Henderson this season, .... I cant help you.

There is no way KDB will win EPL best ahead of Liverpool players. ( Mane or Henderson).

If I bring out Man Utd attackers ( Rashford, Martial and Greenwood) and compare it with Salah, Mane and Firminho, .... You will be shocked to see that the difference is not even that much..

If I bring out the defensive comparison btw our defenders and theirs, .... Our defenders beat them hands down..

You dare not compare the midfield position.

patrickmuf:
Go and watch Liverpool vs Everton and come back here and apologize.

He should go and watch Liverpool VS Man utd @ anfield, last season.....the goal Mane scored......Fabinho destroyed our defence with his pass....

So many more situations like that

timbros:
Pay attention to both coloured bolded part of your posts.

How will Rudiger lose a player when he is covering an area of the pitch?

Why do you like turning up and down like this



When a player enter the area, he is covering, then he should Mark the player.....thats zonal marking....... So players don't enter the area Rudiger Is suppose to Mark

timbros:


In zonal marking?

Zonal marking is a defensive strategy where defenders cover an area of the pitch rather than marking a specific opponent. If an opponent moves into the area a defender is covering, the defender marks the opponent

nitrogen:
No, Cleverley played the same role very well under Fergie. Hardwork, speed, quick ball release, no creativity.

The point is Henderson is kind of lucky

Pogba, Kante, and so many midfielders are below average this season....
He doesnt have much competition for the best midfielder role....

nitrogen:
Because Henderson doesn't hold ball for long. It's the system. The midfielders are supposed to recover the ball and release it quickly to the defenders.

Yes.
And release to the defenders ( Arnold and Robertson) playing more like a winger/wing back and also the attackers, .....this is the correct statement.....

Should I tell you the amount of through balls, played by Henderson in EPL this season??. So not just close and short passes.

pkasso:
Don't misinterpret what i said. You definitely need a proper football brain to play in midfield for Liverpool. Do Lingard and Perreira possess the same level of technical ability and tactical intelligence as Henderson and Wijnaldum? Do you think they just run around like headless chickens with no attention to team shape and structure?

Henderson has bn dispossessed just 4 times in 25 games...... Fabinho just 5 times in 20 games.

Lingard and Perrera can loose the ball 10 times in 30 minutes....

pkasso:
I don't think you fully understand the work those guys put in. They win balls, keep possession and also cover plenty of ground, something that doesn't get mentioned often enough.

In Klopp's first two seasons at Liverpool, the team was a neutral's delight. Their games were always open and chaotic. End to end stuff. You could always bet on them scoring and conceding. I still remember Liverpool winning a 9-goal thriller at Carrow Road. The team was playing good but there was no balance.

Klopp then decided to tweak the system. The departure of Coutinho to Barca and constant injuries to Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain meant there were no creative influence in midfield. So he made changes. Henderson and Wijnaldum took on deeper roles and Fabinho was bought.

Their style of play is simply down to tactical instructions. Fabinho used to chip in goals from midfield during his time at Monaco. Wijnaldum scores goals for fun when playing for Holland and we all know Henderson isn't afraid to shoot. Remember that stunner against Chelsea some seasons back?

The truth is Man utd fans ( biased one) are the one down-playing Henderson....they are surprised that he could turn out, this good....

Henderson is not good, ... And he is the first name in England (assistant captain) and Liverpool (captain) midfield.....

Without Alison, ....Liverpool won all their matches...

Without Mane and Salah... Origi and Shaqiri played and they won...

Liverpool with Henderson =87% win rate(highest in the team)
Liverpool without Henderosn = 53% win rate.

Agenda must agend


Keita stuggle when playing in Liverpool midfield, ....lingard and Perreira wil shine

ChristineC:
this was LvG's default and it was almost never dominated. scratch that, it was never dominated and Fellaini was a huge part of it.

compare Fellaini and Henderson. this is Henderson's best season, by ............. far. at least Big Fella was a consistent menace. for the British press to even push Henderson's name forward is an embarrassment to all past winners of the award.

So you are saying, 2014/2015 season, Phil jones was better than Degea, Smalling and Herrera (judging by this ratings)

ChristineC:
check the image i attached so you wouldn't think Son is replacement for Kane again.
the same BBC stashed in Henderson level with Son.
so it's either you are wrong or BBC is confused. if BBC is confused, why are we debating their epl team of the year in the first place? let's wait for the official one ei.

You are using BBC 11 to determine a player's position

Why not use what you watch on TV, spurs line up and south korea

timbros:
Chelsea is suffering from set piece this season because of Lampard using zonal marking frequently instead of Man marking.

I'm sure you know how zonal marking system works.

Put Terry, Cahill and Ivanovic with this same zonal marking.......... lets see if the problem will still be there

Zouma that will always jump before ball..............Rudiger will loose the player he is suppose to mark

thorrvik55:
How about ur almighty David De Gea that cannot comfortably command his area during set piece even if his life depended on it??
Is commanding ur area during set pieces not a dfault characteristic of every goalkeeper?

Dont mind them abeg....

They are saying default, as if all defenders are good in the air.

As a goalkeeper, you train on set peice each training session, still yet, De gea is still bad at it.

ChristineC:
is Son a striker?

He never played as 9 @ spurs when kane was injured??

Which position does he play for South-korea??

Check the image attached, so you wont compare Henderson and Son again.