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*A MUSLIM GOT CONFUSED WHILE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF THE WORD ISA
This is the conversation that ensued between a christian apologist and an Islamic dawah preacher about the claim of sura 16:103
We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

The question was raised if Quran was actually revealed in pure Arabic tongue then what is Is the meaning of jubril, ismaeel, Israel, Injil, eisa??
The dialogue below ensued

The convwrsation was between FSP *(+2348027550001)* and Ahmad *( +234 703 127 3186) in a WhatsApp group created for religion dialogue between christians and Muslims
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FSP: WhT is the meaning meaning of ISA?

Ahmad: ISA is not an arab name

FSP: Thanks but Allah said Quran was revealed in pure Arabic tongue, Beside ISA is what language?

Ahmad: Yes, Quran is a pure arabic tone

FSP: You just said ISA is not an Arabic word?!!

Ahmad: ISA is the arabic tone of the hebrew "Yehshua"

FSP: What do we belief?

Ahmad: Lol, ISA is not an hebrew but arabic, With an hebrew origin meaning

FSP: What is the Arabic tone of Esaw?!!

Ahmad: FSP......... Isa is the arabic form of Esaw

FSP: really!??

Ahmad: FSP........ Esaw is d short for of Yahshua


FSP: See how Islam confused you sir!!!��‍♂��‍♂��‍♂

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mubarakopeyemi:
Allah Almighty Commanded all Muslims in the Glorious Quran:

"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

So now I can talk to you well now that you're allowing an objective discussion

Firstly, the Bible is a scripture and many Muslims erroneously consider the Qur'an to be a scripture. In the Qur'an, Allah describes the Qur'an as "Al-Kitab", meaning "the Book", which is the right name for it. The Bible is called a scripture and if asked about the authorship, Christians tell you that there were forty-some persons, rarely a prophet or a messenger among them, who wrote the Bible under divine inspiration. The concept of divine inspiration is an assumption without verification. Whereas, the Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad Sall-Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam (henceforth denoted as S) who dictated to his scribes, the most honorable companions. In the sense of authorship the Bible is a scripture whereas the Qur'an is not a scripture but a revealed book.

The Qur'an talks about the TAURAT, ZUBOOR and INJEEL which were the books revealed by Allah to the Prophets Musa, Dawood and 'Isa 'alaihumus-salaam, respectively, which are not the same books as the Bible. Due to the similarity of some contents of TAURAT, ZUBOOR and INJEEL, some people equate them with the Torah and Psalms of David and the Gospels respectively, which is an error. This has given an excuse to the Christian missionaries to present the Bible in the native languages of the Muslim countries as the TAURAT, ZUBOOR and INJEEL of the QUR'AN and confuse and confound naive Muslims. The revealed Taurat, Zuboor and Injeel were revealed books which are extinct, whereas, the Bible may contain some parts of Taurat, Zuboor and Injeel in modern-day language translation in corrupt form. A translation of a revealed book cannot be the word of God because in the process of translation the word of God is transformed into the word of man. In the language of revelation (Arabic or Aramaic or Hebrew) only one manuscript or codex could be the word of God, whereas, there can be an infinite number of translations by man. It is, therefore, agreed by Muslim scholars that any translation of the Qur'an is not the word of God and does not qualify to be called the Qur'an. Non-Arabic speaking people should be able to benefit from translations but no one should depend upon a single translation because no translation is free of errors. A translation represents the understanding or lack of it by the translator himself. If any one desires to become a scholar of the Qur'an there is no choice but to learn the Arabic language of the Qur'an and gain expertise in it.

One of the major sources of corruption of the Bible is translation and translations of translations. With regards to the Gospels of the Christians, there is no record of even writing down any document when Jesus received revelations. It is believed by the Christians that the first records of the teachings of Jesus (A) and his life were made decades after his disappearance and it was in the Greek language. The earliest manuscript available is from the fourth century after Jesus. In the case of the Old Testament, it was written in Hebrew and its dialects, but was destroyed at least twice by the enemies of Judaism in ancient times without leaving a single copy and was rewritten from memory, one of the sources of corruption. The Qur'an was recorded in writing as well as in the memory of many people in the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (S) and was compiled in book form according to his directions by his companions shortly after his death. It is, therefore, suggested that Muslims should not apply the term "scripture" to the Qur'an. "Al-Kitab", when used in the Qur'an, should be translated simply as "the Book".

the Bible is not and was never of the origins of the Words of Allah Almighty. The Torah was sent to Moses, peace be upon him, and the Injeel (Gospel, Glad Tidings, Good News) was sent to Jesus, peace be upon him, and not to the disciples, nor to deceivers who never even met Jesus in person such as Paul.

The reason why the "gospels" of the bible are named as such today is because they were named after the original Revelations that Jesus had. So in other words, the real Gospel is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Everything else is a fabrication on the mouths of Jesus and his disciples. There is no such thing, in Islam, called "gospel of Matthew", "gospel of John", etc... Now whether or not there is actually a gospel out there with the name "The Gospel of Jesus", in the scriptures outside the bible, that is something I don't know, and certainly, even if it does, we still couldn't be sure that it too didn't get corrupt. The original teachings are simply lost from this earth. Only the Glorious Quran is the original Word of Allah Almighty. Nothing else stands. All of the other books contain corruptions and lies in them. That is why Allah Almighty Said:

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"

"It is upon Us to collect and compile it (i.e., the Quran) and to promulgate it: (The Noble Quran, 75:17)"

Allah Almighty also Said in the Glorious Quran:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

Please visit the following articles for ample more details:

Islam declares that the Bible is corrupt and full of falsehood.

Just who were the authors of the Bible? This article proves that the Bible's books and gospels were:
Written by mysterious men.
Written by an unknown number of men.
Written in unknown places.
Written in unknown dates.
Contain "fables", "fair tales", "fictions", and the original manuscripts had been lost forever.

you only ended up telling fables I asked show me the injeel quran said muhammed should consult if he is doubt of the revelation given to him?? where is injeel, torah and zabul? or are they corrupted as well? or are they destroyed? is God not capable of keeping these books since he said he was the one who revealed them. these are some of the questions christians are asking but you never profer a solution all you say is bible was not injeel and bible as it is has been corrupted, then show me injeel or better still quote from it then i belif you and i become a muslim but if you keep saying bible is corrupted and your quran testified about the injeel and torah which we belief are the same scripture mohammed had access to in his lifetime then something is wrong. quran testified about injeel but the injeel has been corrupted that means quran is also a corrupt book. straightaway and you can only proof otherwise if you show me the injeel different from the bible we have now.

mubarakopeyemi:
Delusion is affecting your brain oo

show me in the forum when I denied that the Quran didn't testify the Injeel (Gospel)

I only said the Quran didn't testify your bible which is no other like a figure. Addition and Subtraction.

WHAT THE QURAN TESTIFIED IS THE (INJEEL) GOSPEL and TORAH
Not your bible of today that has been tampered it

Are you blind or you didn't see it when I said it.
Or that you Just argue blindly and unobjectively

if your quoran testified about the injeel then why do you people clsimed the injeel is corrupt? ot maybe you are asying the bible we have now is not the injeel okay show us the injeel quran testied about that is is the truth.

mubarakopeyemi:
This once again has shown how unobjective you are. Lol
thanks for bringing me more facts attesting to what I said ealier.



Be objective first, then we can sort things.
I never disputed that the Quran didn't testify the Gospel of Jesus and the Book of Moses

Look at what I said better and stop complicating issues.
Calm down guy. Be objective naa

muslims were so trainned to shy away from fact initially you said i lied but now you said indeed quran testified about injeel and torah then we need to ask which torah and which injeel? the one you claimed it was corrupted or which one?

mubarakopeyemi:
What the Quran Testified was the Injeel (Gospel) of Iesa (Jesus)
Iesa is indeed a prophet of Islam
not your bible of today which is not other like figures. Addition and Subtraction.

But wait, talk talk no dey tire you

READ WHAT YOUR NNOBLE QURAN SAID ABOUT THE BOOK

(Fatir) 35:31, Early Meccan.

"That which we have revealed to you of the Book is the truth, attesting to (the truth of) that which IS between his (its) hands (the Torah and Gospel)..."

Jonah (Yunus) 10:37, Late Meccan.

"This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it is a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands, and the explanation of the book, wherein there IS no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds."

Joseph (Yusuf) 12:111, Late Meccan.

"...It (the Qur'an) is not a fabricated story, but a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands, a detailed explanation, a guide and a mercy to the people who believe."

The Cattle (Al-An`am) 6:154-157, Late Meccan.

"Then We gave Moses the Book complete as to whatever is excellent, and explaining all things in detail, and a guide and a mercy, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord. And this (the Qur'an) is a Book which We have revealed, blessed: so follow it and be righteous, that you may receive mercy: lest you should say, `The Book was sent down to two peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study;' or lest you should say: `If the Book (Torah and Gospel) had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they.'"

The Believer (Al-Mu'min) 40:69-70, Late Meccan.

"Do you (Muhammad) not see those who dispute concerning the signs of God? How are they turned away? Those who REJECT the Book, and that (book) with which We sent our apostles, they shall know when the collars shall be around their necks, and the chains, they shall be dragged along."


WHO IS LYING HERE? from the above quotes from quran quran was nothing but a confirmation of the book where did you see prophet? just proof it