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press9jatv:
not everyone are poor, it’s the people that are in need that are much cos’ the wicked leaders doesn’t bring a level playing ground for people to thrive. It’s about themselves

No matter how many they are..if everyone shared with everyone...at least they will be ok.

I'm western countries ,the government force you to give to the poor by way of tax..that is why everybody is ok.

In Nigeria,if the government is clueless,why can't the church make their members just follow the teachings of Christ?if they did,we will have less poor people

Infact the only type of giving that qualifies you to make heaven is giving to the poor-matt 25 31-45...

All those tithe,first fruit,vow,seed...apart from it not guaranteeing anything...it is even a total SCAM

press9jatv:
Nigeria 🇳🇬 is the poverty capital of the world due to set of wicked leaders leading this nation. the wicked leaders preferred to destroy Nigeria than rebuild it. America is the richest capital of the world. In 1000 years to come, AMERICA Will continue to flourish and prosperous in their crafts and inventions. Now it’s robot that is doing things for them.

If we have wicked leaders as you say(which is true)...but if we followed the teachings of Christ by giving to the poor...sharing amongst brethren so there is no needy amongst us...

How many poor- living at below multi dimensional poverty -do you think will remain in this country?
Do you think your pastors will fly PJs and live like kings?

press9jatv:
people give needy too. Infact larger percent of people gives the needy.

Lol...and yet we are the poverty capital of the world?
Lol..u go school at all?

Where u think say all una money de go?pastors become richer but people become poorer...use brain abeg

emperor4love:
were the igbos not massacred doing the war,the loose so much,go back to your history man,yet the north prefer to do business and relationship with Igbo that other tribe, we all know this, we cohabite most of them in east ,from aba to onitsha and still do business with them,same way the cohabit most igbos in north like kano sabo gari to sokoto nd niger, still in harmony, the are aware you guys are betrayal and can work with u but upto now u guys can deal with it but pained for such harmony between the east and north, wicked blood sucking demons that cut head and heart for 10k, this are there sister and mother's u guys kill ,go and talk about it before coming here to pokenose

Lol...you think these people are just typing like you and me out of boredom just or to be sensible?This is a full time paid job for them oo...to reason with Dem is of no use..
Some get reach 20 different monikers..lol..lazy yoots

Dem don give you propaganda name sef..lol

PussyMiners:
Emeka,
This discussion is above your pay grade. You should first get a proper education before coming here to dabble into a discussion that is clearly beyond your IQ.

One of the many monikers

Godwin4444:
oga if u have a counter evidence drop it, all these shalaye ain't necessary

U people can't change history right in our faces

Enjoy your self while it lasts

press9jatv:
😂 you are very funny here. Elon musk Dey pay tithe in one way or the other. Do you think, everything Elon musk do to humanity that he broadcast niiii. Do you know how much he funds less privileged homes helping the needy all over the world niii. Dey play here. 10% of his net worth’s goes to the needy and the less privileged ones. Infact he loves helping and shaping peoples destiny.

Lol...am sure u don't know the difference between the Nigerian tithe and giving to the needy..Ok if Elon Musk gives his 10% to the needy.. why can't your pastors encourage u to give 10% to the needy?

If we followed Elon musk way which is the same as Christ's way..by now Nigeria would not be the poverty capital of the world.

garykoeman:
Truth is bitter to your ibo people. How long can you hide it.

Part of your script is to create a narrative that every sensible person belongs to the tribe u seek to malign.
a few dollars here and there...but you are not anonymous.

Godwin4444:
he posted a video of the event that happened n posted history

Is there any criminal thing about that?

How many details did he leave out?what narrative is he trying to spin?You know he can spin it again to the left depending on who is buttering his bread and what different narrative he is trying to achieve.

The ordinary uneducated or unexposed guy in the street can buy this narrative and start killing his countrymen in retaliation caused by these 'half truth's.

I know you might be a different moniker but the same person I responded to.

UltraSolid:
Idiot. Who are you threatening? You people are the ones who are treacherous and always spreading ethnic, religious and sectional hate, from time immemorial, with divisive talk and conduct.

Most Nigerians are now aware of you people's irredeemable obsession with 'divide and rule' antics you have always engaged in because you believe you can swoop in to profit when people are divided and at each other’s throats.

Go and worry about Kanu and co who spread hate speech on Radio Biafra for year. Stop the emergency lover of the "Zoo" hypocrisy. It is fooling no one and wise Nigerians see through you same as an atheist pretending to be more Catholic than the Pope will quickly be rebuked.

Lol..using reverse psychology won't help..it never helped...Joseph Gobbels the propaganda chief of Nazi Germany had to commit suicide with his boss.If not,he would have been hanged at Nuremberg for Jews killed.

Few dollars here and there..but the hate you spin can cause many deaths..a word is enough for the wise...and remember,you are not anonymous

All these ones no de pay tithes oo..Nigerian paying tithe for prosperity but na only their pastors the blow. Upon that,Dem so still near this list.
The other boy wey de do 'what God cannot do does not exist'...e just turn billionaire ..

But una still de chant 'what God cannot do does not exist'...poverty wan finish una
Chai ...this life ehn..

If u no get sense..people wey get sense ko dominate you,collect your money and all of una ko still die go...chai

UltraSolid:
Lol. Has Omokri lied? If a single individual is a "threat to national security" for speaking the truth always, then what would you term an entire ethnic group who took it upon themself to spread lies Buhari had died, while President, to be replaced by a stooge from Sudan called Jubrin?

You guys are nauseating hypocrites.

You know what you are doing.You can't do it for free. I hope one day guys like you will be unmasked,made to face a judge for treason and ethnic hate....hiding behind your phone or computer to spin hatred is a world crime.

You think you are anonymous..lol...u might answer for this even after 20yrs.

helinues:
Reno should be arrested for dishing out the bitter truth from the history that your lots are not interested in .

Hahahaha

We have told you guys, dont start something you can't finish.

Nobody has the monopoly of bullying, insulting and disrespecting others

Truth pointed to a certain narrative whilst excluding other details?I hope when a true revolution happens in Nigeria,Reno and guys like you will be unmasked,tried for treason and if possible made to face the firing squads.

Reno is threat to our national security.By now all social media platforms should have banned his account.i think we Nigerians are not doing enough.With Reno ,I have realized that the pen is more dangerous than the gun.

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly understanding and then understanding English is one of your problems and your second problem is that you are too accustomed to the popular foolishness that intelligence is now too strange to you. 😁

Go and ask someone intelligent to break it down for you and maybe after that you can find something reasonable to say in counter and I can now understand why you object to my view.

Lol..abeg I'll pass

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who has slept and woken up and yet, you still cannot find a reasonable counter to give.

Lol...il pass.I don't want to lose braincells

Can someone with brain power type this?


This is simply a matter of the king of the land (legal) said so and not a matter of Law which is of right and wrong.

Here, the king of that land has only commanded that monies exceeding any amount he determines, a portion of it (tax) must be taken by him.

And here no one is seeing that the king is taking that which does not belong to him aka stealing under Law, so he too is guilty of wrong doing.

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who instead of shutting up because he had no reasonable counter to give instead he chose to descend into insalts. Clear proof you are stupid

Read what u wrote again.Sleep,wake up and read again.

paxonel:
What should be the sole purpose of church finances apart from church building projects and equipments?
Is it for pastors or for charity or to fund church activities such as paying resident full-time pastors their salaries ?

At the time when church buildings and equipments are fully acquired, what should church money used for, according to the law ?

Why hide the books?

Odotech:
bro, I have never been to the west but by reading the internet everyday, I know some of these things. I think laziness to read, Inexposure and poor university education has left millions of our people incapacitated. Too many cannot reason or see beyond their immediate pecuniary needs or beyond their local cultures/environment

2 of Nigeria big name pastors had problem in UK and USA for opaque financial dealings. One sold his books in the USA and asked for fund to be repatriated. The books were clearly marked not for sale to evade taxes. His pastor in the USA took advantage of that to involve law enforcement and break out. Happened many years ago. The other opened his business arm in the UK by registering his school as non profit to evade tax and was banned from the UK.

What we think is normal in Nigeria is abnormal everywhere else. But as the bible say, my people perish for lack of knowledge

Bros I tire o.dumb people in Nigeria are more than sophisticated guys like you.

Dtruthspeaker:
This is simply a matter of the king of the land (legal) said so and not a matter of Law which is of right and wrong.

Here, the king of that land has only commanded that monies exceeding any amount he determines, a portion of it (tax) must be taken by him.

And here no one is seeing that the king is taking that which does not belong to him aka stealing under Law, so he too is guilty of wrong doing.

Lol...this one na mental problem caused by religion.lol

CodeTemplarr:
contribution(tithes n offering in honour of God) is not gift(prophets seed) nor dues(teachers).

Come and say that in the west..na jail u ko de

U have to declare all gift in excess of a certain amount and youl be taxed.

Those contributions u called would be accounted for...to the last penny and published for all to see.

The government scrutinizes ur books frequently.

CodeTemplarr:
Did anyone ask you to forcefully donate or how does a collection of private individuals contributing to the religious inclinations constitute public monies ?

Now I can see why it's a decoration.u know I meant money contributed by the public

No one has the right to collect donations from everybody and become rich.It is regulated.It is unregulated in Nigeria that's why one man and his sons are flying PJ and you are here defending them.In western countries,they will be sitting in jail

KnownUnknown:
They don’t understand and can never understand. There’s a reason the Catholic Church is the world’s longest criminal organization. Their victims uphold the corrupt power structure just like the followers of the criminals in the OP will continue to uphold them. Religion is a mental illness and Nigerians are obviously sick.

I put your reply as a fresh topic

https://www.nairaland.com/8304599/why-no-accountability-churches#133504749

CodeTemplarr:
Nonsense. Do you publish your yearly finance on FB or Twitter?

Do i collect public monies?Ur brain should not be for decoration now

From nairaland user Odotech

Don't get upset. I know any discussion about churches easily stirrs emotional reaction from you guys. But, can you genuinely answer these questions:

1) which of the multinational church corporations in Nigeria audits their account with the services of external and international auditing firms such as Deloitte, PWC, etc

2) how many of the multinational church corporations have you ever seen their yearly financial report published on their church magazine, their website or on a national daily before. Every other organizations registered under law publishes financial reports for transparency and accountability.

3) how many churches work on a yearly budget basis - a budget seen by its members and vetted by a committee that has non-yes daddies in it's membership

4) have you ever seen a breakdown of how much your own church generates from various channels such as YouTube, magazines, tithes, donations, etc before?

Religious organizations activities are opaque generally in Nigeria. That's why you have pastors diverting church fund to private real estate businesses like the one currently accused by efcc.

You sheeps enable prevention of transparency and accountability in your respective churches . But when law enforcement wades in, the entire body of Christ is embarrassed by a problem you could have prevented by just being transparent and accountable in management of public fund

Odotech:
Don't get upset. I know any discussion about churches easily stirrs emotional reaction from you guys. But, can you genuinely answer these questions:

1) which of the multinational church corporations in Nigeria audits their account with the services of external and international auditing firms such as Deloitte, PWC, etc

2) how many of the multinational church corporations have you ever seen their yearly financial report published on their church magazine, their website or on a national daily before. Every other organizations registered under law publishes financial reports for transparency and accountability.

3) how many churches work on a yearly budget basis - a budget seen by its members and vetted by a committee that has non-yes daddies in it's membership

4) have you ever seen a breakdown of how much your own church generates from various channels such as YouTube, magazines, tithes, donations, etc before?

Religious organizations activities are opaque generally in Nigeria. That's why you have pastors diverting church fund to private real estate businesses like the one currently accused by efcc.

You sheeps enable prevention of transparency and accountability in your respective churches . But when law enforcement wades in, the entire body of Christ is embarrassed by a problem you could have prevented by just being transparent and accountable in management of public fund

They would pretend they don't understand what u wrote here.

delpee:
@OP
You can't imagine the extent of giving done by Dr Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo over the years not to mention what the various parishes have done to impact lives. People don't need to shout about everything that they do. God sees all and rewards all. Do your bit.

From his money or peoples money?

sreamsense:
Poor thinking! Is Osimeh collecting his public money or must you collect public money before you can help others ?

Osimen can do what he likes with his money He earned it.Your GOs should not do what they like.They must give out to help cos it's public money.Poor mentality.

delpee:
@OP
You can't imagine the extent of giving done by Dr Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo over the years not to mention what the various parishes have done to impact lives. People don't need to shout about everything that they do. God sees all and rewards all. Do your bit.

Are they giving from their money?why can't they publish their accounts let's see how much they receive and how it is spent.if its in UK,most of them will be in jail

damosky12:
Which of his members employed you to rant for them?

Lest I forget, millions and millions still stan them and give to them. But it's you in one cage somewhere that thinks they're "manipulated."

Stick to the message.if u disagree,state why,say if it's false.no need for personal attacks.be mature

damosky12:
Please help talk some sense into that fool!

What's their fuzz with pastors and GOs if not just some demonic obsession.

These same pastors and GOs are responsible for most humanitarian systems in Nigeria. Most orphanages and welfare relief are affiliated to churches yearly. Church members don't complain. People giving to churches are satisfied and keep giving.

But some idiotic dimwit just think pastors and GOs and their problem. Mind you! They don't go to church. They don't give to church. But pastors are their problem.

People giving to churches are manipulated to give.oyedepo and Adeboye do not have their own money.everything they own is contributed by the poor.In the new testament all was brought to be shared amongst member so that no member has a need.If Oyedepo flies a PJ,his members are also entitled to use it too..after all it is thier money.

sreamsense:
What did your own family and you donate than spreading more poverty? Are you only born to keep statistics and be mere talkative and onlooker in this world? How many uncountless people do church and pastors help on regular basis without making noise about them or you want them to come to your house to submit the list to your table? At least, if you are poor financially, why are you still poor intellectually to vomit this rubbish out? Upload the pictures of those your family and you helped this yuletide period before we even take you serious.

Does his family collect public money?