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KnownUnknown:
They don’t understand and can never understand. There’s a reason the Catholic Church is the world’s longest criminal organization. Their victims uphold the corrupt power structure just like the followers of the criminals in the OP will continue to uphold them. Religion is a mental illness and Nigerians are obviously sick.

I put your reply as a fresh topic

https://www.nairaland.com/8304599/why-no-accountability-churches#133504749

CodeTemplarr:
Nonsense. Do you publish your yearly finance on FB or Twitter?

Do i collect public monies?Ur brain should not be for decoration now

From nairaland user Odotech

Don't get upset. I know any discussion about churches easily stirrs emotional reaction from you guys. But, can you genuinely answer these questions:

1) which of the multinational church corporations in Nigeria audits their account with the services of external and international auditing firms such as Deloitte, PWC, etc

2) how many of the multinational church corporations have you ever seen their yearly financial report published on their church magazine, their website or on a national daily before. Every other organizations registered under law publishes financial reports for transparency and accountability.

3) how many churches work on a yearly budget basis - a budget seen by its members and vetted by a committee that has non-yes daddies in it's membership

4) have you ever seen a breakdown of how much your own church generates from various channels such as YouTube, magazines, tithes, donations, etc before?

Religious organizations activities are opaque generally in Nigeria. That's why you have pastors diverting church fund to private real estate businesses like the one currently accused by efcc.

You sheeps enable prevention of transparency and accountability in your respective churches . But when law enforcement wades in, the entire body of Christ is embarrassed by a problem you could have prevented by just being transparent and accountable in management of public fund

Odotech:
Don't get upset. I know any discussion about churches easily stirrs emotional reaction from you guys. But, can you genuinely answer these questions:

1) which of the multinational church corporations in Nigeria audits their account with the services of external and international auditing firms such as Deloitte, PWC, etc

2) how many of the multinational church corporations have you ever seen their yearly financial report published on their church magazine, their website or on a national daily before. Every other organizations registered under law publishes financial reports for transparency and accountability.

3) how many churches work on a yearly budget basis - a budget seen by its members and vetted by a committee that has non-yes daddies in it's membership

4) have you ever seen a breakdown of how much your own church generates from various channels such as YouTube, magazines, tithes, donations, etc before?

Religious organizations activities are opaque generally in Nigeria. That's why you have pastors diverting church fund to private real estate businesses like the one currently accused by efcc.

You sheeps enable prevention of transparency and accountability in your respective churches . But when law enforcement wades in, the entire body of Christ is embarrassed by a problem you could have prevented by just being transparent and accountable in management of public fund

They would pretend they don't understand what u wrote here.

delpee:
@OP
You can't imagine the extent of giving done by Dr Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo over the years not to mention what the various parishes have done to impact lives. People don't need to shout about everything that they do. God sees all and rewards all. Do your bit.

From his money or peoples money?

sreamsense:
Poor thinking! Is Osimeh collecting his public money or must you collect public money before you can help others ?

Osimen can do what he likes with his money He earned it.Your GOs should not do what they like.They must give out to help cos it's public money.Poor mentality.

delpee:
@OP
You can't imagine the extent of giving done by Dr Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo over the years not to mention what the various parishes have done to impact lives. People don't need to shout about everything that they do. God sees all and rewards all. Do your bit.

Are they giving from their money?why can't they publish their accounts let's see how much they receive and how it is spent.if its in UK,most of them will be in jail

damosky12:
Which of his members employed you to rant for them?

Lest I forget, millions and millions still stan them and give to them. But it's you in one cage somewhere that thinks they're "manipulated."

Stick to the message.if u disagree,state why,say if it's false.no need for personal attacks.be mature

damosky12:
Please help talk some sense into that fool!

What's their fuzz with pastors and GOs if not just some demonic obsession.

These same pastors and GOs are responsible for most humanitarian systems in Nigeria. Most orphanages and welfare relief are affiliated to churches yearly. Church members don't complain. People giving to churches are satisfied and keep giving.

But some idiotic dimwit just think pastors and GOs and their problem. Mind you! They don't go to church. They don't give to church. But pastors are their problem.

People giving to churches are manipulated to give.oyedepo and Adeboye do not have their own money.everything they own is contributed by the poor.In the new testament all was brought to be shared amongst member so that no member has a need.If Oyedepo flies a PJ,his members are also entitled to use it too..after all it is thier money.

sreamsense:
What did your own family and you donate than spreading more poverty? Are you only born to keep statistics and be mere talkative and onlooker in this world? How many uncountless people do church and pastors help on regular basis without making noise about them or you want them to come to your house to submit the list to your table? At least, if you are poor financially, why are you still poor intellectually to vomit this rubbish out? Upload the pictures of those your family and you helped this yuletide period before we even take you serious.

Does his family collect public money?

Omayie:
I would be brief. I intend taking the PMP exam and would need assistance from our professional in the house who has scaled through same process and is willing to help a brother I base in Lagos.

Use reddit

Mindlog:
Hold on tight to your compulsive obsession of Peter Obi, he is part of your treatment plan for the Psychosis you struggle with....Àrómental.😂😂

These guys have contract running to 2027.Know this and know peace

jaxxy:
I completely agree with u on accountability of public funds.

However I still feel an accomplished doctor will/should have investments if not working anymore or retired.

But if these are church monies he using to flex then I think it's completely wrong aswell.

There is no record of him being an accomplished doctor.No records.
He started this church thing in the late 80s as a student.He just graduated as a medical doctor.Am not sure he even practiced...if he did offcourse maybe for 1 or 2 years earning entry level sums.

Occupation has always been ..pastor

jaxxy:
Offcourse I know going abroad doesn't men u are rich that's why I'm wondering what the fuss is about the daughter going abroad and having a kid.

But since its triggering people let's talk about his profession even b4 being a pastor.

The issue is that he father has no daytime job but just to collect money from his members.He will send his daughter abroad for child birth yet his members who contribute the monies cannot afford it.They will be told to pray and hope to deliver safely.
Why can't she deliver here?You know why?because they don't trust our healthcare system even will all the faith they preach.
When you are collecting public funds,you must be accountable to the public whose funds you are collecting.
Why are they afraid of publishing their books?even to their members?

jaxxy:
I'm happy u know there are doctors who specialist and consultants are they are paid extremely well, Some have they own hospitals. Doctors are rich enough to go on holiday trips abroad.

Same with all professions.Farmers are rich,mechanics are rich.infact in the west,wall street guys in finance and investment are extremely rich.Doctors don't come close averagely.IT guys are rich and some form their start up and become extreme.
So it is not particular to doctors.Anyone in any field can be rich and well paid if they specialize,invest,recreate and open their own 'shops'.
I hope u get my point but on the average globally,doctors are not the most earning.The highest earning doctors(consultant) earn about $350,000 yearly.But investment bankers can do $1m yearly.

In Nigeria,if u see a rich doctor..I mean in dollars..either he owns an hospital(that makes him a business man) or a corrupt government worker.

Lemme add...going on holiday abroad doesnt mean you are rich.
I remember my former job in nigeria,all my colleagues and juniors were going abroad for holidays yearly but I did not because my priorities were different.

jaxxy:
I know doctors and surgeons who seriously rich. I'm not talking about ordinary rich.

All professions can be seriously rich not just doctors.We are talking about general surgeons not specialized consultants.Enenche was just a common doctor.not even sure he practiced at all.An average salary of an entry level doctor in the federal and state civil service as at 2013 was about 250k.private ranged from 120k to 600k.Even bankers were better paid than doctors and bankers and rich cannot feature in the same sentence.

You can't be rich with such amounts as above.Consultants in Nigerian earned 800-2m at that time...u can't be rich with such amounts unless u are consulting for big hospitals worldwide and international organizations which pay hard currency etc or you are working double shifts daily.Who wants to suffer when they can just dish out few lies on the pulpit and become rich..I mean stupendously rich

jaxxy:
Go to UK US or Saudi and say this shit about doctors bro. U will be cleared immediately.

Enenche was never a doctor abroad.Am sure he can't compete abroad.And besides,what makes u feel I am not chatting from one of these countries you mentioned?Doctors aren't rich but well paid abroad

jaxxy:
I heard... Politicians rich or poor steal cos the system offers little or no consequences for their actions or accountability.

Pastors steal or mismanage church funds cos there is no accountability but if the pastor was rich b4 I'm sure he can afford certain things on a normal day unless u see something an established medical doctor can't afford like a private jet then u can be concerned.

Medical doctors are not rich.And enenche has no record of being reknown or establised.They will always give the impression that they left successful careers to follow God(like politicians to serve the people).Its all lies.Medecine is a shit job.if u have a choice you wouldnt do it.

jaxxy:
I think that pastor was a professional medical doctor and a successful one b4 becoming a pastor. If correct he's obviously not a poor person by any means.

You think ..lol..just the same way politicians are always doing well and rich before they got political office.

PureFace1:
You are delusional if you really think any one that comment against Peter Obi and Igbo pretentious and two face act is Paid.

You can only fool naive people with all your snaky acts.

If this post isn't about Obi,it's only a salary earner that can bring Obi up in this thread.

PureFace1:
What's the propaganda in my post ?
So El Rufai will no longer be a terrorist again as long as he ally with Peter Obi to deliver northern votes ?

i spit on your bald head

Leave terrorist talk,leave obi out of this thread.elrufai attended a Harvard conference..what did he discuss?
I know u must earn your pay but you can't accept payment to do what is not right and it's coming from the same people that impoverished you.i spit on the lazy yooths of nigeria

How did this make it to the frontpage?

Chivisee:
This first class surveyor is what our Pandora nuisances is dreaming to deputies their third class olodo??when I say LP fans are dumb and stupid it's not an insult,it's just the best adjective to describe them.

Another employed propagandist.spits

PureFace1:
The same El Rufai that Igbo called a terrorists and accused of aiding genocide against southern kaduna people is the one they are clamoring to ally with their Agulu messiah out of desperate bid to get a president from their region.

So El rufai is no longer a terrorists and bigot again and he will become a saint if he ally with Peter obi ?

Southern Kaduna people would really believe Igbo mean well for them during those times not knowing they were just using them to play politics and propaganda campaign against El rufai. They don't really give a fvck, there's not a group as evil as these people they are guilty of whatever they accused you of times 10.

You will see them calling Yoruba two face but they have been the one with two face so far in Nigeria politics especially Peter Obi that was leading Christians to take back their country during the last election but he is suddenly frolicking from one mosque to the other now and now advocating for majority of FG investment to be in the north out of desperation to get northern votes.

Nairaland has turned to shit with all these paid anti obi propagandist.one cannot even read sound objective comments without all these diversion..spits

onumadu:
Of course I know. But the question is HOW DO YOU BECOME A NIGERIAN PRESIDENT?
Is it by playing it his way or by playing it "Nigerian way"?
We now know for sure that playing it his way leads to failure in the Nigerian jungle system.
If he wants to really help Nigerians, he needs to out-rig the others and win.
After that he can implement his change agenda.
That is the core idea.

Yes..that seems the only way but Nigerians should determine who their president should be.they should stand by what is right and just.You lose moral value if you attend your objectives using the wrong means.the last election showed that we are not ready to take back our country from the few bad guys holding us to ransom if not,we would have taken to the streets and the right thing would have been reenforced by the courts and inec and not on technicalities.in Ghana during the time of Jerry Rawlings,even judges faced the firing squad,though we won't draw a parallel as theirs was a coup.

onumadu:
Every idiot and his dog now want to insult and ride Peter Obi to fame.
All failed "revolutionaries" in Nigeria now see insulting Peter Obi as means to fame.

One day, Peter Obi will wake up to understand that Nigeria is a jungle, and only jungle methods produce desired results.
All the money he has been wasting to do good could have been used to out-rig the mandate thief and gained him desired respect.
Even if he wants to do good, he should wait till after defeating others in the art and science of rigging., and gaining office.

Peter Obi must go to the school of Machiavelli by force.

Don't you know that these guys with fake monikers are paid well to attack PO in all social media channels?

peleson1:
Keep shut u dirty thing..

U must be seeing PO in ur dreams n reality

He has to earn his pay bro.

fetrillion:
I pity you.
Keep wallowing in ignorance.
At first,you people say tithing is not in the new testament now you say the Jewish religion is not Christian.

Are we not going to be judged be the same God.is the word of God just for a particular religion?

My brother if you don't know and don't know that you don't know...you know what you are.

Christianity started after the death and resurrection of Christ.
When Jesus was questioning the teachers of religion in the synagogues,was there Christianity?
Bros,small brain pls

fuckJones:
I have so many questions bordering me and I want christians in the house to help me.

1.Is it acceptable to withhold tithes if I disagree with the pastor's or the church's spending?

2. can I pay my tithe in the different church fromt the one I attended?

3. Is it correct for a pastor of a church and his family to use the church income, i.e. tithes, offering and third party income for their own use, especially since the church is not registered as their property? If no , what do you call their actions

4. Is it biblically okay for most of the pastors to ask for tithe on every Sunday? I mean why do they have to remind them every time, instead of letting people choose if they are okay to give their money!

5. can pastor says my church?

6.Which is better, tithing in a rich church where the pastor has his own flight or giving money to a street preacher?

7 .Why does my pastor make me feel guilty for not tithing when I cannot afford it?

My sister,giving tithes is sinning against the holy Spirit and challenging the finished work on the cross.
It is only beneficial to those collecting not those giving.
God cannot require you to bribe him with common money..infact it's an insult to give God money like a common agbero.
Your pastor don't represent God.
The only representative to God is the poor matt 25 31-46.
It's your pastors that need your money not God.God is a spirit and as the Bible says,human hands cannot serve him.

aktolly54:
Elon musk pay tax incluing dangote. tax is synonym to tithe in Christendom

This is the most foolish comment in this thread.The Jews ran a theocracy.tithe was a tax not in Christiandon but under the Jewish law.
USA and Nigeria run a democracy so tax is paid to the government.
You should pay your tax not tithe.

fetrillion:
Read Mathew 23:23
Jesus never apolish tithe.Rather he encourages us to be more merciful,faithful
"
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law — justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things."

Jesus was talking to people practicing the Jewish religion not Christians..read Bible with context bro.tithe is not a Christian doctrine