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Steep:
Jesus said his body had flesh and bones.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

This mean that Jesus body is no longer a natural body but a spiritual one.

Can a Spiritual body have flesh and bones

Nachmonides:
The Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is the same Spirit that dwells in believers.

The resurrected and ascended Jesus embodies the fullness of God, including the Holy Spirit, because of the unity within the Trinity.

While the Holy Spirit has His own distinct role, He is not separate from Jesus but works together with the Father and the Son.

Okay That's clear enough. Thanks alot for the exposition 🙏

gohf:
well God does make his angels spirit
Ps.104.4 Who makes His angels spirits, His ministers a flame of fire.

7 fires, 7 spirits, 7 angels

So what exactly are this 7 Spirits? I don't really understand. Be specific please.

gohf:
lol okay

Zech.3.9 For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' Says the LORD of hosts, "And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Well the stone is Jesus, the branch, God's servant, the lamb.

Rev.5.6 I looked and I saw a Lamb that had been killed but was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that are sent out into every part of the earth.

And God sent us the Holy Spirit.

You know, the seventh day represents the Holy day.

This Seven Spirits of God , are they Angelic beings or what exactly?

Nachmonides:
Romans 8:11 (NIV):
"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you."

This verse explicitly identifies the Holy Spirit as the one who gave life to Jesus’ mortal body, raising Him from the dead.


The Spirit's life-giving power is consistent with His role throughout Scripture as the One who imparts life (Genesis 2:7; Job 33:4).

The interesting thing again is that Jesus explicitly referred to him raising his own body:

John 2:19-21 (NIV):
“Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.’ They replied, ‘It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?’ But the temple he had spoken of was his body.”

To be honest I'm lost here. The Spirit that raised Jesus from the Dead and it's that same life giving Spirit that dwells with us Believers is quite understandable.

But is this the same Spirit that dwells in the Resurrected and Ascended Jesus that is seperate from his ascended Physical form or one together with him and the Father.

Remember God is Triune in One

Father, Son and Spirit

Please make your next reply coherent enough.

God bless 🙏

Nachmonides:
Fully divine in the sense that it was no longer subject to the same limitations as before His resurrection.

I said it earlier.
His body wasn't fully divine before his resurrection because it could feel pain and could die.

So what's the function of the Holy Spirit in all of this ?

Nachmonides:
This is what I mean by the spiritual aspect:
...fully divine, but it was transformed in the sense that it was no longer subject to the same limitations as before His resurrection.

Fully Divine in what sense? Remember the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead or do you have a different view from this ?

gohf:
did i answer this because I am not sure again o, did I see this mention.

Okay so I said Jesus resurrected with his body
John.20.27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don't be faithless any longer. Believe!"

Spirit bodies can also eat o, didn't the angels that visited Abraham get served food prepared by Sarah. That's why instead of posting verses where Jesus ate with them, this verse shows that He resurrected in or with the same body.


And as for him being a life giving Spirit
1Cor.15.45 - The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
1Cor.15.46 - What came first was the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later.
1Cor.15.47 - Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.
1Cor.15.48 - Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's.


Jesus's body was never of the earth like Adam so he can't turn to dust I discuss this on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8323229/resurrection-jesus-proves-he-son


So the same body but without blood but with the seven spirits of God in him.

I understood everything you wrote except the last statement .

Seven Spirits of God ? How? Where? Is this seven Spirits different or same with the Holy Spirit? and finally, Can you back this up with scriptures please? Thanks alot 🙏

Nachmonides:
Stay with me then.


When Jesus ascended to heaven, He did so in His glorified body—a physical, but transformed body, not purely flesh or spirit alone. This body was both fully human (flesh) and fully divine, but it was transformed in the sense that it was no longer subject to the same limitations as before His resurrection. Here’s a detailed explanation:

1. Jesus’ Ascension: A Physical, Glorified Body

Acts 1:9-11 (NIV) – "After He said this, He was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid Him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 'Men of Galilee,' they said, 'why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.'"

Key Point: Jesus ascended physically into heaven. His disciples saw Him leave, which indicates that His body was visible and tangible as He ascended. Spirits do not ascend as ascension is a physical movement within this physical plane / realm. A spirit alone without a body doesn't ascend because ascension is a physical movement.


2. A Glorified Body

Jesus' body was glorified after His resurrection. This means it was still a human body, but it was transformed and perfected in a way that surpassed its previous earthly limitations. His resurrected body was:

Immortal (no longer subject to death or decay).

Glorified (radiant and powerful, as shown in His transfiguration before His disciples).

Spiritual in the sense that it was no longer bound by normal physical laws, but it was still tangible and visible (He ate with His disciples, and they could touch Him).

Luke 24:39: Jesus shows His disciples that He has a physical body post-resurrection, saying, “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”



3. Both Flesh and Spirit

Jesus ascended in both flesh and spirit: His body was glorified and spiritualized in a sense, but it still retained its humanity. Jesus’ ascension was not the ascension of a purely spiritual being or a spirit-only form. Instead, it was a physical ascension of a glorified body.

Philippians 3:21 speaks of believers being transformed to have bodies like Jesus’ glorious body, which further emphasizes that His ascension was in a glorified, human form: “Who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.”

So after his Death and resurrection, according to you , he was "Glorified" but still had a body of flesh as he was touched by his disciples signifying he had his physical form intact. Is that correct?

Now this Spirit being or Spiritual aspect of himself you talked about, is it the Holy Spirit or something else?

Thanks for your detailed explanation

Many thanks 🙏

Nachmonides:
Again, scriptures don't talk about a translation of Jesus Christ.

In biblical terms, translation refers to being physically taken from one place (earth) to another (heaven) without experiencing death. This happened to:

1. Enoch (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5).


2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11).



Jesus, however, did not bypass death. Instead, He experienced death and resurrection before His ascension (Acts 1:9). Therefore, the word translation is not used to describe Jesus’ ascension because it involves His glorified body after the resurrection.


Exaltation and Translation:

Exaltation: The glorification, authority, and honor given to Jesus after His resurrection and ascension (spiritual and positional).

Translation: The act of being physically or spiritually taken to heaven or another domain or location.


Since Jesus tasted death for all (Hebrews 2:9), translation doesn’t apply to Him in the same way it applies to Enoch or Elijah.

They look similar but you'll do well to spot the devil in the fine print.

So in what form did he ascend to heaven? Flesh, Spirit or both forms combined as the Op asked?

That shouldn't be a hard nut to crack

Nachmonides:
Eternity and time?

Or

Exaltation and Translation?

Exaltation and translation

He was exalted first before translation took place

How low can this one's go ?

Nachmonides:
In our apologia for the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, we must be careful of the words we use and don't use.

Coming to think of it, what exactly is the difference between the two?

Okay na

AfahaAbia:
Any Nigerian who wants to Japa should immediately sell off all his properties and Japa. Besides our population is just too much. Let then all leave so we see space.

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh. Thank God. I thought I was going to ship into troubled waters.

Not really

Truthseeker10:
Godson1379........Steep said there is nothing like spirit body oo.......please let him explain 1 Corinthians 15:44 below.

King James Bible
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Truth always overcomes the lie

Steep:
I have answered it. Jesus ascended with his body to heaven.

What type of body exactly?

Body with Flesh, blood, bones?

Can you be more specific?

Nachmonides:
Eternity is not a long time. Eternity is outside the scope of the physical property, time.

Okay, but my point was still made.

Why all the semantics leaning arguments?

Nachmonides:
Jesus was exalted, not translated.

It may seem similar but let's use what scriptures use. Exalted.

Bro, this is really just semantics on display.

What is the difference if we are being honest with ourselves?

After the exaltations, what followed next?

Steep:
No until you clarify yourself, what do you mean by confession time?

Nothing really. Okay i take it back. Let's avoid diversion pls. So answer the question as relates with the topic?

Steep:
confession of what?

Answer my last post first before we talk about that.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣Ahhhh....Resurrected body of what sir?

Godson1379 Steep has swallowed his statement oo.

Lol

Steep:
Paul in the bible saw Jesus in his resurrected body. He can manifest in to a believer in Spirit that does not mean he doesn't have a human body.

This human body, is it made of flesh, blood, bones etc?

Kobojunkie:
The devil had what to do with Mount Zion? 😫😫😫😫😫

2. Explain what? That your delusions cannot be expected to coincide with the reality of things no matter how long you are allowed to go on?

All you have been saying are blatant lies. That's my point. I have given up on the replies because it's not edifying so a waste of my precious time. Till you are ready to see things in the lenses of faith and not the lies you have been fed by the West, the discussion ends here.

Crazy times indeed

The end is upon us

Kobojunkie:
Is this an attempt to derail or what? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The city of Jerusalem has been around for thousands of years. It was last occupied by the Jews back during the first century AD, and after that has changed hands several times but the location of Mount Zion, Mount Moriah, and all other mounts in that city have not shifted since even before then. So, what the heck does it matter who or what occupies the city today?

It matters because false truth is no truth at all.

I use the Devil as an example

Will explain no further.

Flamemignon1:
You mean the trans not the LGB?

Both actually they are all Sickos

But I guess this is mainly for the Trans community

Kobojunkie:
Of course, I have to get a map from the internet in 2025 because the book you claim you believe— even though clearly you reject with all that is you— is meant as a historical account of a kingdom that exists on this earth. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. False Jewish city of Israel in 1948? Are you OK at all? 😂😂😂😂

3. Religious clownery! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Simple question

What does the present day country of Israel created in 1948 filled with European "Jews" have to do with the biblical Israel Jews who were even black to start with?

MaxInDHouse:
There is a lot to learn!

Yes indeed and it will take an eternity to learn about the true mysteries of the Almighty.

Dtruthspeaker:
I don't understand nor subscribe to that calling thing but what I do know is that if and when your heart and acts are right God comes to those waiting for Him and amazing things happen.

Okay thanks for the explanation. Was straight to the point and succinct enough

Steep:
Jesus rose physically with his body and he ascended with that body. Jesus is the only one presently in heaven with the glorified body.

So in what form does he manifest himself to the believer?