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Kobojunkie:
So, according to you, David and the prophets of Israel. Equally, the current map of Jerusalem showing Mount Zion as part of Jerusalem is all false evidence.

You religious nutjobs & ignorance in arrogance are Siamese twins joined at the head, inseparable. 😩😩😩

You got a map From the Internet in 2025 to explain the ancient Biblical city of David

Not only that but map of the false Jewish city of Israel established in 1948


I officially give up Kobo

Dtruthspeaker:
This is where you learn "my spirit tell me say" or "my mind told me that" or "something tell me say" kind of experience is the most popular experience of how God/Christ manifests Himself.

Another one is when things just work out for something you know will never work out,
without you even doing anything. That clearly is the Touch of God.

Oh okay If i get you clearly you are saying that the spirit of God reveals things separately to each individual specifically according to the calling of the said individual and not by mere head knowledge or speculations

Is that what you are trying to say?

MaxInDHouse:
He is not of our kind {John 8:23} so the body he used is not like ours that was a perfect body equal to what Adam had {1Corinthians 15:45} and that's why only someone with such a body qualifies to pay for the sin we inherited from Adam. Psalms 49:7-9
So at death that body become the sacrifice paid for our sin. That is why he resurrected a spirit being! 1Corinthians 15:44


He simply means where TRUE Christians gather he will be their chairman since they gather to do the work he assigned to them! Matthew 28:18-20

This Spirit Being ascension, is the Holy Spirit of God involved in any of this?

Kobojunkie:
So, you blatantly reject the Israelite Scripture in its claims regarding what Zion in fact is? David, who conquered the fort and named it the City of David was wrong because you religious folks would rather give it your own ideas? 😂😂😂😂

2. You have conveniently made attempts to override the reality of things —scriptural records as well— all in order to assert ideas that have no basis in the logical sense. Clearly, the deluded one here is you!

Zion is the eternal City of God and no force in Hell can change this fact.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you have completely lost me here. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any religious narratives that are, for the most part, attempts at overwriting the explicit content of the Israelite Scripture they claim to follow.

2. Again, Jesus Christ of Isreal is recorded to have been born of a woman and the Spirit of God to fulfill the promise of God to David via the Covenant of Salt which He made to the family of Jacob. The same Jesus Christ of Israel, when He rose from the grave, after His death, confirmed that His flesh and blood were intact even after the ordeal. The same Jesus Christ of Israel then ascended up into His Father's Heaven with His flesh and blood intact with a message that the same way He went on, He would return to them. I guess the simple question I should ask you at this point is why you completely refuse to accept the words of Jesus Christ of Israel in this case. The Kingdom belongs to Him and He is the rule of Law in it, and according to Him, He will return the same way He left. So, why do you disagree with Him on this? On what grounds?

Wow upon all the lengthy words of explanation, not a single verse of Scripture was quoted?

I think I will have to leave you to your delusions and gobbledegook writings as this clearly looks like a waste of my precious time.

Dtruthspeaker:
This one is not about ascension and meanwhile to answer the question is kind of hard.

Lol you can take your time. We are all here to learn, nobody is an island of Knowledge.

Dtruthspeaker:
This now is a different question

How is that a different question?

It didn't deviate from the Topic na

Kobojunkie:
My very word were instead that Mount Zion—referred to as the City of David— is a mountain inside of Jerusalem.

2. None of the verses you quoted state otherwise. So, what is it that I am to explain to you since the verse I quoted earlier specifically draws the relationship between Mount Zion and Jerusalem for those who are ignorant to see?

3. You mean the Isaiah 2:3 is to be ignored? Even a look at the map of Jerusalem today confirms that mount Zion is a mount inside of Jerusalem but I guess that does not mean anything to do since you would rather hold onto religious delusions even in the face of evidence. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Zion is not a mountain but a place of Habitation for the saved Citizens of God free from any form of Oppression with Christ as the True leader and Head of authority. The ultimate new Jerusalem.

You can carry on with your delusion as the Scriptures has made it abundantly clear leaving no room for doubts or misinterpretation.

You are the one arguing for argument sake with no coherence.

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OtuologyProf:
The guy na confirm cultist

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Kobojunkie:
1. Nonsense! Why? Because as Jesus Christ of Israel Himself said, the same way He was seen going up into the Heaven of His Father is the same way He would return to His Followers. 🙄🙄

2. Rubbish! There is no mystery here to be seen as Jesus Christ of Israel clearly stated how he would return to His people — the same way they saw him go. 🙄🙄

3. Stop this religious rambling about mysteries when a moment ago you were insisting that his form before being born mattered to the grand scheme of things even after Jesus Christ of Israel Himself made known that it matters little to nothing whatever ideas one had of His former form as it was the form in which He ascended that He would return in. 🙄🙄

Okay, Enough with the Drama let me give you a brief exposition as the Spirit leads


Remember in the Scriptures, the word "Translated" was used.

Let me refresh your memory incase you missed it at Bible school classes


Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


What does "translation" mean in this context?

It simply means mortality putting on immortality,

Fleshly putting on the immaterial, imperishable, corruptless form of the father and Son (the Word of God) as it was intended for Man before Creation and the very time itself began.

Now all of creation has been "Groaning" for the manifestation of the "Sons" of God. Who are this Sons? Well that's a lecture for another day.

In summary. During the ascension of Jesus after his Death and resurrection, he was translated to his eternal Form with all the powers of the earthly and spiritual realms handed to the rightful owner (Christ) by the Father with authority over all the earthly and spiritual forms of existences and beings as all things were created thru him and for him all for his pleasures.

Are you still confused?

Kobojunkie:
You are not making any sense at all. It clearly tells you that Mount Zion is a location inside of Jerusalem. But what exactly is the cherry-picking? Or maybe I should instead ask you why you want to reject what is clearly stated there?

You said in your own words that "Zion is a Mountain in Israel"

Can you explain this verses then

Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Psalms 14:7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psalms 50:2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.

Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.

Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Psalms 87:2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Isaiah 30:19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.

Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem

Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.


To mention but a few as there are soo much more


Where is the soo called "mountain" in Jerusalem in all this scriptures?

Kobojunkie:
Are you seriously asking me this question of yours?

"In Jerusalem on Mount Zion"

Can't you see something is off from this your cherry picked scripture?

Or should i spoonfeed you like a baby ?

Kobojunkie:
That makes no sense! Why would or should it be based on his bodily form before his coming to earth and not on his form after He came to earth and then announced His Kingdom to His followers?

2. You don't like what is written in Scripture, do you? According to Jesus Christ, His return would be in the same way that He went up. Meaning that it has nothing to do with your ideas of his previous form before He came to earth — was born. 😏

I mean this is common sense, to understand his eternal form , you have to understand clearly both the bodily and spiritual forms and how he intertwines the two in all it's Glorious perfection still retaining absolute divinity and coherence. Remember, God is never a God of confusion and everything is made perfect by his eternal will and Glory

In summary, everything remains a mystery and the scriptures only scratched the surface.

The mystery of God will surely take an eternity to unravel it all and O boy eternity is such a long time

Kobojunkie:
As I explained in my very first post on this thread. Zion is a mountain in Jerusalem! ...
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Zion, the mountain, is inside of Jerusalem. So, Jerusalem, the city also includes the place called Zion which is also called "the City of David".

Just a Simple question will expose your obvious half truths again

What does the red bolded in the second paragraph say?

[/b]"His teaching, the Lord’s message, will begin in Jerusalem on Mount Zion"[b]

What does this mean?

Kobojunkie:
Why does it matter what form He lived in before He came down to earth?

It matters because it can give an idea on how he manifest himself to the believer, post, resurrection, ascension and when he finally returns to the earth for the second time to Judge the world and it's inhabitants and reign as an eternal King for all of eternity.

gohf:
He in flesh, who is made the life giving Spirit, is at the right hand of God

Thanks soo much Sir, this is something very close to what I've been asking. A very big Kudos. Mind sharing any scriptures to back this your view up ?

Kobojunkie:
I don't make the rules here regarding what can or cannot be according to Jesus Christ of Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel made clear that He is the beginning and end as far as His Kingdom and what applies.

Before Jesus came to Earth in bodily form, in what form did he live with the Father ?

Kobojunkie:
You are in fact the one who has made the ridiculous attempt to add or take away from what is in fact written in the book. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

According to you, Zion is the New Jerusalem.....however, the verse you posted says absolutely nothing of what you claim. It makes no mention of Zion. So, what is there for me to explain when you are obviously making things up here?

Can you explain this verse


Zechariah 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.


Are you still confused?

I will really appreciate if we could go scripture for scripture and not blind arguments. Many thanks 🙏

Kobojunkie:
The book tells you that Jesus Christ ascended to the Heaven of His Father, God of Israel, in the same form that He lived on this earth which included flesh and blood. So?

So flesh and blood can be in many places at the same time in heaven and on earth? If I get you correctly?

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! Religious gobbledegook! 🙄

How can Zion, a mountain in Jerusalem, be considered the New Jerusalem a city filled with many mountains including Zion? Why are you folks resistant to knowledge? 🙄🙄

So you want to add or takeaway from the word of God and heap curses on your self o poor Child

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Can you explain this ?

Kobojunkie:
Scripture to back up the recorded account of Jesus Christ being born of the Spirit of God?

Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh, no confusion betwixt the two. My question is simple. In what form did Jesus ascend to the heavens in order to manifest his Glorious powers in all the believers?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you see any where where He dropped His Flesh?

So how does he manifest himself to all the believers, and in what form ?

MaxInDHouse:
It was a materialized body to prove that he's now alive but the old perfect human body no longer belongs to him that's what he paid to redeem mankind {Hebrews 9:12} so he was raised as a spirit being that is what nobody can take from him! John 10:17-18

How does he manifest himself to the believer since he ascended in fleshly form according to the scriptures. I didn't see any spirit being ascension anywhere in all the scriptures, if you doubt can you quote one?

Remember he said when two or three are gathered in my name, there I am with them. This simply means omnipresence. So in what form does he achieve this possibility?

Kobojunkie:
Where he has always been since Jesus Christ was born, a part of Him.

Wouldn't mind a scripture to back up this your statement?

Kobojunkie:
It is all stated in Scripture if only you all would open the book and read it for your own selves rather than swallow the useless nonsense fed you by equally ignorant individuals who scam your lives and existence daily with their lies.

2. What belongs in there is the trash you spewed earlier in your OP which has no basis in Scripture.

For your information, Zion is the new Jerusalem and is the manifestation of God's supreme heavenly Kingdom here on earth.

Flangelo12:
Showing me a video of something from over q0 years now.

Has anybody in your extendws family ever come across something similar in their day-to-day living that they should be bothered by this?

Whether my family member have seen it or not, does it stop the lunacy from being real?

For your information that video is not old and there are a million more scattered everywhere on the Internet

Your comment made no sense In all honesty

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Kobojunkie:
According to the Gospels, Jesus Christ rose from the dead, flesh and blood, and eventually ascended to Heaven while His followers watched, the same.

So where is the Holy Spirit in all of this?

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

The Fort of Zion was a forte that was reported to have been conquered by David and then renamed the City of David, the place where the palace in Jerusalem was situated, and David is said to have reigned. The fort sat at the top of a mountain called Zion which existed in the city of Jerusalem alongside other mountains including Mount Moriah where the Temple in Jerusalem was eventually built.

Where is the biblical evidence for all this trash you posted ?

Simply belongs here 🗑️🗑️

Omoawoke:
Where you have lived is material to this argument..

If you have never experienced first hand, then your judgment and argument may by subjective and you may not be in a position to speak..

Whatever dude, I've made my point and it's crystal clear. Your fellow civilized folks say hi


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