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raumdeuter:
Actually those black South African are examples of the average liberal who are perpetual victims and seek to blame everyone else for their problems

Sounds familiar?

South African blame others, liberals blame others

This is brain dead in so many ways

1. Conservatives are anti-immigration. The particular black xenophobic south Africans are anti-immigration.
2. The same xenophobes do not like their fellow blacks. You don't see them fighting white immigrants. Just like how uncle Tom Conservatives don't care about racism from whites and white privilege but will fight DEI and blast black Americans. They dont care about Trump's white DEI hires eg (Hesgeth and Kristi Noem)

These MAGA cultists will not stop deceiving themselves.

Trump has been the worst president in recent memory. There is no changing that.

And we are just one year plus into his presidency. We still have 2 years plus to go. Jesus Christ!!!

DeepSight:
And as a supposedly educated man, you mean you cannot tell why no one will establish White Entertainment Television or White History Month?

Who did this to you?

Honestly, I really feel sorry for you.

Because there is an essential part of your humanity that is broken.

You see why I didn't bother to reply him.

Also note that the only black guy he could bring up is an uncle Tom- Bem Carson. The Ben Carson who described black slaves as immigrants who came.looking for opportunity.

basilico:
So I think Dr Carson is inferior to whites.
Or myself or raumdeuter or bemeruca.
Blacks in America have so many privileges.
For instance can you imagine White Entertainment Television or a White history month

Just see the nonsense counterargument.......

GracieX3:
Vedaxcool, how far? Will you vote for Jagaban again? Have you suffered enough or do you want to sell your soul for Jagaban bag of rice?

I heard you enjoyed the fuel scarcity and inflation when you last voted

Vedaxcool is awkwardly quiet. Salaam bro.

If you want to understand the enslaved mindset of our Nigerian MAGA cultists, look no further than the particular black south Africans who are xenophobic towards Nigerian and other black immigrants in South Africa.

These particular xenophobic black south Africans are uncle Toms who have suffered apartheid and are now practicing it on other blacks. They believe that the other blacks from other countries are inferior criminals that are spoiling their country- South Africa.

How is this different from Black MAGA (Basilico, Ramdeuter,bemeruca and benalvino3), who believe that other blacks in America (liberal blacks) are inferior, have bad culture and are welfare queens?

Cc deepsight, cococandy


It's hard being a woke black oerson

tctrills:
So correct me if I am wrong, according to leftist logic, it is ok and not racism to accuse an innocent person of murder only in cases of self defense. But other cases outside self defense, you will be a racist to accuse one of murder. Am I wrong.

Please can you also tie OJ Simpson's case to this because many whites still say he is guilty. His case was not self defense, are they racists?

What rubbish are you saying? You are comparing two different cases.

1. Kyle Rittenhouse brought a gun to a charged protest. That alone suggests intent to kill. Kyle eventually killed two people. The court deemed it as self defence. It could have been manslaughter.

2. As for the central park 5, NOTHING LINKED THEM TO THE CRIME. NOTHING. Trump is a racist for claiming their guilt without any evidence

tctrills:
So everyone that claimed Kyle was guilty is a racist by your standards and that also applies to OJ Simpson's.

All the leftists that claimed Kyle was guilty of murder are racist do you agree because we have many of them on this page.

On the other hand, I think everyone is free to think and express their thoughts. If you feel someone is guilty even after the jury finds him innocent, you are free to say so. You could be wrong but it has zero connection with racism.

You leftist love to control speech and what others think. Totally not acceptable.

I wouldn't call anyone that accused Kyle a racist, I could call them foolish or ignorant but not racist.

Apples to oranges. Kyle killed 2 people. It could easily have been murder but it was judged to be self defence. Had Kyle purchased the gun or carried it over from his house (across state lines) he would have been jailed for manslaughter.

As for the Cental park 5, there was nothing linking them to the crime. Trump only had race to go on.

raumdeuter:
Read your attached image again

He is referring to his stand when advocated the death penalty

Then why are they suing him for defamation?

You lie for Trump

tctrills:
My guy,
What is your standard? Trump is a racist for accusing black kids. You guys are not racist for accusing a white kid, and whites are not racist for accusing O.J. Simpson. You seem to have no standard, and you are all over the place.

The standard is that you don't claim somebody is guilty without evidence. You don't also claim that they are guilty when they have been exonerated with the actual culprit being caught later.

Trump is a racist for doing the above.

raumdeuter:
Actually at the time Trump asked for the death penalty, the police claimed they got a confession from the guys admitting to the murder which later proved to be coerced

If today you hear that a group of say Hispanic guy killed a girl and they "confessed " to the crime then you ask for the death penalty. Are you racist

Unfortunately for you and Trump, Trump still called them guilty in 2024

raumdeuter:
Or the biggest funding he gave HBCUs they are not celebrities

The bill to fund HBCUs was raised before Trump entered office. He took the glory at the end.

Trump that hates DEI

tctrills:
Let's break it down: the guys were young, and Trump spent money to push a false narrative against them. The only difference here is that your Leftists did not spend money to push their campaign against Kyle Rittenhouse. Even after he was exonerated, they continued to push the false narrative. And Kyle was really young. So the only thing that made Trump's case different was the money he spent. Is that what makes Trump a racist while you leftist are not?
Note, many on the left are spending campaign dollars accusing Trump of all kinds of things on the non-existent Epstein files. Are they racists?

Also, what about all the whites that continued to insist that O.J. Simpson was guilty even after the jury found him innocent, are they also racist?

Wow. Are you seeing how much you defend racism, especially from Trump?

Trump spent money on newspaper ads claiming the guilt on a group of innocent coloured men. You do not see that as racist.

And you are now comparing it to Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people and injured a third. Opinion was divided whether it was murder or self defence. Keep in mind that it could go both ways because he was defending himself but he carried a gun to an already charged protest. Both sides had their points, so no racism either way.


O.J. Simpson got away with murder. Some blacks cheered because the police department was racist. Had they not been racist, Simpson would have been indicted. The whites who wanted him jailed were in their right.


Two different scenarios to the Trump's action on the central park five is racist because he had no proof but believed that they were guilty. There was no real evidence tying them to the crime.

basilico:
Yea right. Just a clump of cells . Unviable.
You are free to believe anything.
How about a child (boy or girl )who survives an abortion. What to do with it?

Silly question. A fetus in the first few weeks cannot survive outside the womb

basilico:
So it's better to love a child so much you kill it because it might face problems in foster homes?

Fetus is not a child.

tctrills:
My dear, this is your most anyhow argument.
You mean a mother should kill her baby because she is afraid to give it to strangers.
So to you, killing is the better option?
Again who told you that adopted kids are not loved? Where did you get that from?
In are society today, we are very comfortable handling our kids to strangers. We all use nannies, we take our kids to school and hand them over to complete strangers in the name of education.
But when it comes to given the child a chance to life, you bring up this stranger excuse.
This is the worse point you have made today.

Would you kill someone or hand him over to a stranger who is better equipped to take care of him.

I don't even see your argument here.

Go and look up how the foster care system has f4cked up children in the USA. From sexual abuse to domestic abuse to emotional abuse.

Do you know what it is to grow up without parental love? To grow up with other children who see you as competition and not siblings?

Who told you that strangers are better equipped to take care of a dumped child?

tctrills:
Have you heard of Safe Haven Laws in the US?
Once you hand your baby to a staff member at a designated location (hospital, fire station, or police station), your legal responsibility ends immediately.

So you are not forced to care for the child if you don't want to.
The excuse that the mother is left without option is false.

Let's face the fact, mothers who kill their babies are murderous and wicked. Simple.

99% of them have no good reason to do so.

And dumping the child to a stranger who will not likely love them as a parent is better? F4cking up the child for life is better huh?

tctrills:
Let's go by the facts. Please fact check anything I say say below.

Estimates suggest there are roughly 1 to 2 million couples waiting to adopt in the United States at any given time.

This shows that their are 30 to 1. That's 30 parents to one child.

Please fact check.

Again you seem to be suggesting that to reduce serial killers, we should abort every child from messed up homes.

That's licence to kill 75% of black kids. It doesn't and shouldn't make sense.

Your life should not be taken away just because your parents are messed up.

You should be taken from them and given to better parents but your life should be spared.

Let's not kill people because of the sins of their parents

Nonsense

basilico:
Abortion should be a last resort. Pregnancy should also be a last resort given 12 ways to prevent it minus not having sex.
Most of the abortions are from sanr knowledgeable women , (many married too).
Grandparents with an iota of decency won't have their grandchildren in orphanages.
One reason women abort is fear of the unknown, rejection and career . Some don't desire having fallen twins or a protruding belly at early stages of life . Looks matter more in their career.
I think it was posted here the families hoping to adopt is almost equal to the number of abortions . I know only about 25K were adopted last year against 1.3 million abortions .

Govt should not fund elective abortions is my stand. Ideally abortion should be after the woman has undergone unbiased professional counselling from pro life and abortion advocates respectively.

Unfortunately, your republican party does not believe in sex education to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

tctrills:
Let me start with your last points. Let's even say the republican party is against options 1 and 2, but I can clearly tell you that as of today, those 2 options are fully available to every woman in the US.
You don't need the help or legislation of government to find parents to adopt your baby. The waiting list is so long that there is always someone to adopt your children.

Now you said you support women to have a choice to kill their unborns in early pregnancy. Please explain why. And at what stage of the pregnancy should this killing be stopped?

Stop engaging in lies. Go and check how orphanages are underfunded. Go and see how expensive it is to raise young children in the USA. Go and see how messed up the foster care system is.

Do you know how many serial killers come from messed up parents who should have aborted them?

tctrills:
Blacks in the US vote liberal or progressive more than any other race. Blacks are 90% liberal.
So clearly, liberal culture is a huge part of black culture. You can't take that away.

In fact, without the black community, the Dems with lose every federal election in the US

Black people in Nigeria are Conservative.

There are Black Conservatives in the USA as well.

What you can measure is that Black people in USA vote democrat. Democratic party.

Democrat is not the same as progressive.

Many Black people in the USA vote democrats mainly because there is racism in the Republican party, and the Republican party does not like diversity

tctrills:
But this is not making sense, we will expect low income women in poor states to seek more abortions not the other way round.

A low income woman is a low income person whether in a rich or poor state.

The difference is that in a rich state, she has access to abortion.

tctrills:
Before 2021, there was no state law banning abortion. Abortion was legal in all 50 states. The federal law had a sweeping effect.

You are just making my point.
More money seems to equal more abortions.
Abortion was completely legal and yet the very poor states had very low figures.

Again, you make my point about culture when you say that you may not find abortion clinics in religious states. But you will find them in places where the culture generally accepts them.

And the culture is liberal or progressive culture not black culture.

Religious states are also poor states.

tctrills:
Did you even read what you posted? It states that abortion bans affect low income women. This means that richer women are much more able to carry out abortions.
Just read what you got from Google.

There are low income women in rich states.

Stop twisting things

tctrills:
This is not a very smart argument. Most people die a natural death, this doesn't stop murder from being a crime.
You seem to be arguing that because nature is responsible for abortion, it's ok to kill unborns.
That argument is one kind.
Nature is responsible for the death of most cancer patients so do we now go about killing cancer patients.

This is a first one for me, I have never heard this argument in defense of abortion before.

But it's funny, I give that to you.

No.....I am not arguing the problem of evil as it relates to a religious defence against abortion.

The main defence for abortion is that a woman should have choice within the first trimester. Abortion is the last option.

This is why sex education and also counselling are important but your Conservatives are fond of defending such programs as it relates to mental health or sex education.

If a woman cannot take care of a child that she will give birth to in 9 months time, she has options-

1. Give the child to parents or siblings when born.
2. Give the child to an orphanage when born
3. Abort the pregnancy.

Guess which party has not helped with both options 1 and 2 by rejecting policies threat will give benefits that will help those raising young children?

tctrills:
I knew you will say this, but this is a very terrible argument. Here is the reason.
Even if we go back to 2021 when abortion was legal in every state, we don't see poor states leading.

Let's look at the abortion rate in 2021
Highest rates
District of Columbia → 21.8
Florida → ~18–20
Georgia → ~16–18
New York City → ~16–17
Illinois → ~15–16
Colorado → ~15–16
You actually see the poorer states having the lowest abortions
Lower-rate states
Alabama → ~8–9
Kentucky → ~7–8
Arkansas → ~7–8
South Dakota → ~6–7
West Virginia → ~6–7
Idaho → ~6–7

So do you see that your argument is dead on arrival?

There are many ways to ban or restrict something.

The clearest way is to ban it with federal/state law.

Another way is to restrict funding or create social pressure.

How many abortion clinics would you see in a deeply religious state? These poorer states are usually religious.

This is why I mentioned environment and finance affecting abortions in the first place.

tctrills:
Ok, smart argument here. But I presented other arrangements such as the rich state poor state argument. Let me see how you go about defending that

Abortion numbers are also affected by access to abortion......states who legalise abortion will have higher numbers of abortion.

Of course, backwards, broke azz religious red states ban access to abortion

basilico:
I have the means to bring up grandchildren if they cannot.
The idea that you can't bring up kids is a very powerful incentive by the pro abortion crowd .
Many childless career women in their late thirties or early forties wish they got the babies instead of flushing them.

This is the simple minded, narrow vision of the religious Conservative.

Please, there are many orphanages full to the brim with children. From babies to teenagers. Those looking to adopt have many choices.

However, typical Conservatives do not care about children but they want them to be born. They prefer to cut benefits that enable women raise children.

I am pro choice and not pro abortion. Abortion is the last option. It should be an option.

basilico:
Abortion is not a method of family planning.
There are at least 12 well known family planning methods plus abstinence.
I don't talk about such to my daughters to be honest,but they know if they got pregnant they wouldn't be forced into marriages or abortion. We would help raise the child.
It's up to them to be responsible. We won't be chasing diapers when we head to fifties.

or

Charlie Kirk said that if his 10 year old daughter got graped and pregnant, she should still give birth to the baby.


This is what religion does to you. Absolute morality when life is grey (not absolute or black and white)

cococandy:
Don’t argue about abortion with men. They can scream from here to Jericho. Just Pay them dust. Most of them can’t even find the clee toris with a flashlight and a map and they want to decide what a woman can do with her body.

They don’t deserve to have a say. If it were about protecting life, they wouldn’t be committing over 90 percent of violent crimes including murders. They would be the biggest advocates against violence. Arguing with them validates their stance. As if their opinion matters. It doesn’t.

Ah cococandy. Some men too are pro-choice

tctrills:
You are wrong about abortion. In the 60s the blacks were much poorer but they had less abortions. Abortions are a factor of a murderous society that is not ready to bear discomfort or the responsibility of child care.
These days in the US, women celebrate abortions on social media. How is that not culture

How legal was abortion in the 60s and did the same black people have access to it. Abortion was not legal and so the numbers for it would be down.

This is the same racist argument that glorifies a time when black people didn't have rights and were oppressed.

tctrills:
There is no moral difference between a woman who aborts her baby and a man who abandoned his kids and wife.

Sorry, actually, there is. The woman killed, she is a murderer

Are you aware that spontaneous abortions are the most common type of abortion? So nature is the best murderer. Not so good if you believe that a creator is behind nature......

I could defend abortion in the instance of choice but I wouldn't waste my time if you are arguing on religious basis