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nihilistjnr:
Did Messi even play in the final of the first UCL he won?

Messi did not lead anybody anywhere.

The leaders were Xavi and Iniesta.

Since Xavi left, Messi cannot lead Barca past Juventus (Barca didn't even score), Roma, and Atletico

Lead ko, city ni

chai nihilist, wetin messi do you.

nihilistjnr:
How is what I said different to this

don't mind him. Because hazard is mentioned and messi is in the sentence, they are getting all sentimental.

EvilMetahuman:
It's like these people are getting it wrong.


No one is saying hazard is better than Messi...
Having same talent or pattern of play as Messi doesn't necessarily mean that he is better than Messi... Zaha might have same talent or pattern of play as hazard but that doesn't mean he is better than hazard.


Hazard hasn't achieved half of what Messi has achieved and probably never will cos Messi is on another level..
He will have to achieve at least 80% of what Messi has achieved to make any meaningful comparison.

So it will be insane to say hazard is better than Messi.
Same way it is insane to say that zaha is better than hazard.


Neymar vs hazard on the other hand is a better comparison.


Let us learn to comprehend stuff before talking.

Thank you my brother. A lot of people don't try to understand things.

Coutinho14:
so in your opinion, hazard would score 91 goals in a calendar year if he was playing for Barça right? he will also dribble seven players against getafe before scoring a solo goal (since you implied that it's more about his mentality than his ability). the truth is that if you remove goals from Messi's game, he is still the best assist provider in the world, still the best dribbler in the world, [/b]still one of the best passers of the ball, [b]still the best chance creator in the world, do you want me to continue? if you watch Barça matches regularly, you would notice that Messi spends more time deep in midfield than he does in attack

pkasso, Eruditor, if you dont know how an argument started, Dont jump into it.

This is the post i initially quoted to make my claim and facts have shown that i am correct. If you dont agree, dispute it with facts.


I am baffled at the lack of understanding a lot of people display here.

Coutinho14:
i don't have time to be digging through the net but here it is

chai!!! These barca fans!!

You just confirmed for us with this your post that hazard has created more chances than Messi since he became a professional footballer.

For your info, hazard became a first team regular in 2009/2010 season. Compare it to that of messi.



Barca fans and ignorance.

Coutinho14:
what does this mean is there a better dribbler than Messi? so according to you, hazard creates more scoring chances than Messi ba? well one is the goat while the other is irrelevant to d football world

i thought you would have brought facts to dispute my claims.

I don't know of hazard's chance creation to that of messi in recent seasons, but i do know that during Mourinho's first two seasons at Chelsea, hazard came first and second respectively for chance creation in europe.

He was second only to payet in the second season and i am not sure that messi has ever topped the chance creation since then. Other players have topped that.

This is to prove to you that messi does not do Everything better than everyother player

Okay

Coutinho14:
this thread is crazy and not in a good way, just when I thought I've seen it all someone says hazard is a more accurate dribbler compared to Messi. At this point Messi might not even be good at all, someone will wake up one day and give us reasons why hazard is the goat.



someone that has 8 ucl career goals (even sadio mane surpassed that in one season) is being compared to a five time balon d'or winner,am not even sure if the guy is even better than Dybala sef



Lord have Messi on y'all

that is the much i Can do.

Coutinho14:
so in your opinion, hazard would score 91 goals in a calendar year if he was playing for Barça right? he will also dribble seven players against getafe before scoring a solo goal (since you implied that it's more about his mentality than his ability). the truth is that if you remove goals from Messi's game, he is still the best assist provider in the world, still the best dribbler in the world, still one of the best passers of the ball, still the best chance creator in the world, do you want me to continue? if you watch Barça matches regularly, you would notice that Messi spends more time deep in midfield than he does in attack

oga, if you think messi creates the most chances and is the Best dribbler, than you are What you accuse chelsea fans of, ignorant. You know only about barca and la liga

nihilistjnr:
The guy has pissed off too many people with his attitude

This was Conte complaining last year:
"I think that sometimes Eden is happy if he scores one goal, and then if there is another situation, he prefers to make an assist rather than scoring twice," "I see, for Ronaldo, that if he scores once he wants two, three, four. It's the same for Messi."

This was Mourinho 4 years ago:

He's never afraid to play and take responsibility, but it's not about that,"."It's about him saying - today I have to be decisive.

Then hear Hazard:

"For me, football is like this: I go on the pitch and I try to enjoy it," he said. "I do not look at statistics, I do not look at goals, I just want to go on the pitch. For me, when all the fans come to a game, they have to be happy. It is my job to make sure they are."

And

I think, in football now, if you want to win something like the Ballon d'Or or [to be the] top-scorer, you need to be selfish," . "But I'm not like this, not at all. I'm just who I am."


What annoys is me is that when you look at the underlying stats, you can see how close he is to the other 2, if he just focuses more and is more selfish.

I swear I want to slap him sometimes.

seems like Sarri oni gbolongo cigar, don finally put the word inside his agbari. I don't know how, but Hazard is looking like he's about to bust the net this year finally.

I can't wait to see it.

i am not sure it is only about What sarri said to him.

Mourinho and conte were just saying it with mouth, but not setting the team up in a way that will make him do it whether he likes it or not.

You can't tell someone to take responsibility and be decisive and at the same time tell the person to play in a way he doesnt enjoy playing or tell the person to track back.


For me, Hazard is not even doing What sarri has asked him to do. Sarri wants to turn him to a proper forward that only gets goals. He wants him to forget about midfield and defensive work, but due to lack of much creativity in our midfield and Hazard's love for having the ball at his feet, being the one to direct the team play, he still returns to midfield.

What gives me fear is how we will play when he leaves

pkasso:
I hope you know Adama Traore is the fastest player in the world, at least according to FIFA19. Shey na 100m we dey run ni?

"Hazard is more physical" Does that make any sense to you? One would expect a sensible fan to come up with relevant criteria like vision, dribbling, creativity etc.

But to indulge him, Messi is 31 and naturally has lost some of his explosiveness over the years. He is still quick enough and has a speed of thought second to none.

But you should know though that hazard is a more accurate dribbler.

RRWraith:
Just When you think you have had enough for the day, another shekpite pops outta hazards ass and spews more shit sucked out of his ass on this thread.

BTW remove the occasional madness and hensben is more sensible that lana1 and raumdeuter

is raumdeuter sensible?


Just asking

nihilistjnr:
Actually Its not blasphemy. I actually made a very nuanced argument about this early last year.

Talent alone is not enough to drive you to have a phenomenal career and Hazard is the most unserious bastard....

The difference between Messi and Hazard is more in mentality rather than ability.

Another factor is the supporting cast

I can bet my left testicle, Messi cannot replicate his magic playing this Chelsea team.

Let Hazard go to Madrid or Barca and let us see

What you said is true and conte has already said something that is similar to that about hazard.

homesteady:
As of last season, when Neymar went to PSG -

Chelsea - 5 UCL winners
PSG - 2 UCL winners.

Why are you guys now saying Hazard is surrounded by bad players? Shey been a UCL winner is now an indicator for being a good player.

if raumdeuter starts using that logic Against hazard, you will support him.

pkasso:
We are all witnessing a masterclass in amala-turning today Chef Nihilist taking on the master himself, the one with the magic omorogun, Pa Ramuzaki The techniques and styles at work here, mehn. I troway salute. Shey the yam flour na go finish like this? After all the turning, na who go provide the ewedu and gbegiri?


Stay tuned

if you didn't know before , know it now that raumdeuter dey learn work for where nihilist dey for Amala turning

nihilistjnr:
better season is no indicator of talent.

Griezman had a better season than Ororo last summer

i am not talking about talent now. I asked the question because of the argument about Neymar and Hazard who is doing better so far this season.

Let me ask these questions. Personally i don't rate players by just adding their goals and assists, but let me ask.


If Neymar and Hazard are to continue scoring and assisting at the rate they are doing it now and both end up winning their respective league, both don't make it past the 3 round of the european competition they played;

who would you judge to have had a better season?


Who would you think the football world will rate higher for the past season to have done a better job?
Give reason for your answers.

Nihilstjnr, ibime, raumdeuter, popiziano, A40, etc

Please, how much will it cost me to rear 50 broilers without the cost of cage?

nihilistjnr:
I said 2 seasons ago that the day Hazard starts wearing shooting boots, EPL no go for contain am.

I pulled the stats and was laughed at, today omolope just dey shine anyhow

it is true that hazard hardly shoots, but his shooting will not increase when he is suffering without the ball and playing left strike back

pamcode:
Oh thanks I am okay. I just read comments and laugh this past weeks.

na wetin sure pass.

EvilMetahuman:
lmao... And you think totteham will sell?

They will probably put 200 on his head ... Then if he flops, e don red.

i can't believe that we have not been able to score against this people till now

raumdeuter:
No one buys a player because he can score penalties. Open play goals is the test of sharpness not a situation where a keeper is not allowed to leave his goal line and defenders cannot challenge you like penalties

mr man. Hazard is not a striker.

Afolabi6046:
that's a farmer that utilizes the awesome power of technology. That's why people like Afe Babalola and Obasanjo are trumping local farmers.

those are the ones called farmers, not the peasants.

Afolabi6046:
I hope this is readable

people that will never go hungry or out of business are the farmers and food processing specialists.

macjireh:
Tottenham and Liverpool are not Chelsea naaaa...Chelsea with few goals lift trophies,,,,hence Chelsea with 30goals will do wonders

it is not about chelsea or liverpool. It is about scoring the goals when they are needed to win matches and not conceding in turn. It is not scoring 7 goals against one club and boosting goals stat, but refuse to score one to win a match

nateevs:
At that time, zilch!

i don't know for you. I studied mechanical engineering and we did introduction to computing and introduction to programing.

Those two courses gave me the basics and understanding of What is really going on inside a computer.
If you did these two courses i mentioned above, i believe they helped you.

Damn! I have already vowed not to attend a Nigerian college/university again.

Anything computer is my passion. It pulls me like magnet. I hate to see a computer that is not working fine. I plan to go back to school and learn computer science abroad with fun after becoming wealthy.


The problem i have is, i think i am not very good with statistics. It almost made me mad when we did it in my final year. Although, i am good in maths.

macjireh:
Ronaldo and messi were not strikers wen they led their teams to glory...if hazard scores 30 goals D's season,, where do u think we will land

harry Kane scored 30 in the league last season, salah scored 32. Where did their team land?

popizaino:
Lol .


So you mean you have also finally seen the light too?

where did you see that in my post?

Unlimited22:
Leave the defenders first. We can outscore any team with the right striker.

guy, luiz is a suspect

The match yesterday ended just like that of last season at anfield.

If not that we don't have a striker and sure defenders , i would have said we Can win the title.

Afolabi6046:
exactly, i would just say he didn't prepare well for the strike because he saw it coming.

He was too far to the left and he didn't take off on time

But i won't blame Kepa though, he's a young average keeper as at now, we shouldn't expect much regardless of the price tag. He noh fit turn Neuer because he's expensive.

He's a prospect though.

exactly