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Ibime:
2014/15 Hazard only scored 1 EPL goal from August to November.

His only goals outside that was against Maribor.

You did not notice that cos Costa and Fab were bringing home the results.

Like I said, Hazard has not changed!

that is why I say you have a flawed view of what a good performance is. Left to you, you go say giroud had a better game than hazard against liverpool because he scored a goal, when some one who watched the match will know that giroud was one of the worst Players.



Now, back to your argument of the key Player in 2015. If i am to follow your logic of goals and assists alone. Hazard's goals won more points for us than any other player. What do you have to say about that?



I don tell you say you f-up for that statement.

Ibime:
His form is not different. You just pick a narrative to make him larger than the club. You didn't see matches in 2015 where Hazard was dancing skelewu with no end product because Costa and Fabregas won the game for him. This season when he has those kind of games, you claim he is off form cos no Costa/Fab to bring home the result so those games are amplified.

the problem with you guyz here is that you saying anything just to defend you previous flawed logic even when you know the truth. This so that you don't look like you lost. It is a pity.

airmark:
He was more consistent in those years we won epl titles. This season he fell short, that's a fact he also agreed on. So using your goal+assists stats for those seasons to conclude that he performed at the same level of consistency with this season, is DOA.

that is the Problem. He has a flawed view of what a good performance is. I am not going to waste my time again. Imagine him saying that this season performance is the same with that of last season.

I wonder why he did not even say that it is better since he has already gotten more goals and assists.

raumdeuter:
2017 was built on Kante alone. The defensive work was 85% Kante, 15% Matic, That 15% could have been done by anyone including Mikel Drinkwater or Bakayoko

Last seasons league win Matic will be one of the least important to the win. Kante, Costa Azpilicueta Alonso Cahill Moses Luiz Pedro Hazard Matic Willian Fabregas in the order of their importance to the team

look at this hypocrite that told us that cahill and luiz should give their medal to conte. Look at the that he is saying now.

airmark:
He was more consistent in those years we won epl titles. This season he fell short, that's a fact he also agreed on. So using your goal+assists stats for those seasons to conclude that he performed at the same level of consistency with this season, is DOA.

that is the Problem. He has a flawed view of what a good performance is. I am not going to waste my time again. Imagine him saying that this season performance is the same with that of last season.

I wonder why he did not even say that it is better since he has already gotten more goals and assists.

raumdeuter:
Open your eyes and watch the game

i would rather close my eyes and see it than open my eyes to see the rubbish you claim to have seen.

raumdeuter:
Obviously Salah was better than Hazard

can you tell us in what way and bring facts to back it up.

raumdeuter:
Obviously Salah was better than Hazard

Such was his display on his return to Stamford Bridge that he had fewer touches [12] than any other player on the pitch in the first half. And his frustration was summed up with a booking for simulation at the edge of Chelsea’s box.



This is the Player that was better than hazard yesterday.

Imagine, Ibime even said that chelsea had already amassed all the points by january. The same january that chelsea were on the same points, goals and everything with man city and only topped by alphabet.

airmark:
Football is a team sport, others must also do their jobs. If Barca used Dayo as their keeper, they wouldn't have won sextuple, but we know the most important player in the team. That wouldn't degrade the inputs of other key players.

There's a reason when Hazard flops, most times the team flop.



That's you being economical with the truth here. We have told you several times not to always use goals+assists alone to rate players. In those years you mentioned, he was more consistent in his performance than what he served this season. He confirmed this few weeks ago. It's something clear to Chelsea fans who watched all his matches in the seasons involved.

Saying his performace this season is not different from last season's, is embarrassing.

honestly, i am surprised by the things oga Ibime typed. All these just to defend his flawed logic of goals and assists rating.

Ibime:
For years you have been peddling this fallacy that Hazard won us the league in 2015 which is patently false. Transplant Hazards performance this season to 2015 and we would have still won the league comfortably. So no, Hazard has not changed between 2015 and now, and our league fortunes do not depend on whether he's on form or not cos his form is roughly the same every year.

We had been struggling to qualify for UCL year-on-year until we signed Fabregas and Costa that summer. Their combination propelled us to take a commanding lead by January, after which it was easy to manage out the rest of the season which Mourinho specialises in. After Fabregas got exposed at Spurs in January 2015, Mourinho drafted Zouma into midfield and changed the format of our play settling for 1-0 wins and draws to see out the season. This is when Hazard secured the lone goal in a couple of matches that made you history-revisors to start bleating that Hazard won us the league. Hazard never did such, and his performance this season would achieve the same effect. We don't live or die on Hazards minor fluctuations in form. The Fabregas-Costa combo wrapped up that league for us by January and we would have managed out that season to victory even if Hazard broke his leg.




All players were unfit that season bar Willian due to having only 3 weeks preseason as the club decided to go on post-season tour of Thailand which cut down our presseason to 3 weeks only. When I said that is the only season Hazards form has fluctuated wildly, I'm referring to his personal form cos that team could not be helped by one or two players being in form when the rest of the team is unfit. By his own personal form, I mean he came back from holiday with ikebe bigger than Eniola Badmus such that his dribbles weren't coming off due to his own personal lack of sharpness.

congratulations. You have successfully ran away from the simple question i asked you.

Oga Ibime, try and go to bed. Next time.



There is no need to argue the obvious. Hazard was terrific from the beginning of Season. He just wasn't getting the goals at the beginning. I remember in swansea 4-2 match that the commentors said something like, "he has been great so far, but some people are saying that he should get the end products."



Did i just read you say chelsea were finding it difficult to qualify for ucl year on year before fab and costa? Hmm. This your attempt to cover the flaw in your rating logic have made you type some funny things this night o.

Chelsea that were challenging for titles till season end helped by hazard, before fab and costa. In 2013/2014 hazard greatly helped chelsea challenge for the title until mou decided to bench him for challenging his tactics against atm. Maybe, it is also fab and costa that helped him get the young pfa and come second only to the very terrific suarez for the senior one.

Oga Ibime, you don f-up for these statements.

raumdeuter:
Your only evidence that Hazard was better today is whoscored, The whoscored who told us Hazard has been better than Salah this season

okay. Can you get us your own evidence? Maybe, stats to back up your claim

Ibime:
His season this year is no different to others. Hazard has not changed through his time at Chelsea except for 2016 when he was unfit

The only difference is that the real decisive title winners of 2015 and 2017 did not help him win the league this year. I know you thought he was the key factor when we won the league in 2015 and 2017 but some of us gave those titles to Costa, Fabregas and Ngolo as the decisive factors.

raumdeuter seems to be having big influence here o. Just so that you don't admit to making a mistake or having a flaw in your logic, you resort to turning amala and saying ridiculous things. Just a simple question, you are now talking about those that won us title.







Fab? The same fab that lost it by december? Someone that didn't make it to the pfa team? Costa that was always injured or suspended? Ibime!!! I can't believe that you will making such statements just to save face. I can only expect such statement from anti chelsea fans.

If fab and Costa help hazard to win the title, why didn't they help willian to do same or close the following season you claim that hazard was unfit?

raumdeuter:
This is what happens when you dont think properly before bringing fallacies here. You were bringing whoscored here as evidence that Hazard was better today when you could have used your brains but you refused, when the same whoscored now shamed you, You started "Now kets leave ratings" why did you bring rating in the first place and why do you want us to leave ratings now?

Thats why I always tell people watch games and stop the foolishnes of Terry won this award, Hazard was MOTM and has 10 ratings by whoscored

no. I did not use rating first. I used common sense, but when I saw that common sense flew over you. I used rating, the one that can be seen.


It seems like the rating one is not working. I think stats may help. But, i can see how you are trying to shift the argument to another thing.




















Though, there can be some things the rating does not capture, but in the case of Salah, he is not high on the rating because there are a lot lacking in his game that this sites use for rating. Things like passes, pass success, chances created, km covered, defensive contributions, etc. This is the same for many of the rating sites, squauka etc.
This was the basis for my argument of KDB being better than Salah this season. But, the thing is that the goals make the fans emotional that makes the fans neglect the work of the main people. Reason they keep giving the attackers the awards.
Just like how giroud was completely useless today, but managed to score a goal. Now, the fans and the media will say, oh giroud takes chelsea past liverpool, but kante is not mentioned, courtious, baka, Hazard, rudi, cahill etc. That is it. If salah had done this last season, kante for no collect pfa. Something that is bad.
All these Though are argument for another day.

Ibime:
Is he competing against himself or his contemporaries?

His past stats are average and so is this.

oga. I didn't say he is competing against himself. I just asked a simple question. Based on your logic of rating a Player's performance and Based on hazard's goals and assists this, have he just had one of his best seasons for chelsea?

raumdeuter:
Whoscored and other stats is for people who have common sense. Whoscored isnt a substitute for common sense

and the common sense told you that salah better than hazard today?

raumdeuter:
That is why I tell you regularly that stats is for people who have common sense
The same whoscored this season in the EPL alone ranked Hazard 7.74 ahead of Salah on 7.66.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/108226/Show/Mohamed-Salah
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/33404/Show/Eden-Hazard

Tell me anyone who will be mad enough to believe Hazard is better than Salah in the EPL this season

now, let us leave rating. Who was better between the 2 today?

Chelseafan1:
Me I taya when I see Salah better than Hazard tonight.

you dey mind am? Instead of am to just admit the truth tonight, then maybe continue em hazard campaign tomorrow. No, em hatred for the successful man no go gree am.

raumdeuter:
Led by the exceptional Rudiger and Azpi. Rudiger plays to the left and faced Salah head on

Thats why I always tell you to watch the game and not be like airmark

stop being ridiculous. I watched the game. You are the one who didn't watch it. Is salah the only liverpool player in attack? Cahill was the organizer in that defence and he did it good. You claim you watched the match and you think the worst player on the pitch was better than the best player. Na hatred for hazard go.....

raumdeuter:
Did you watch todays game? Then tell me what is wrong with my analysis

no right thinking person that watch the match that will say salah was better than hazard.

If i may ask, the good chelsea defence that stopped salah, is it the led by your calamity cahill?

raumdeuter:
Both of them didnt have any output today but I will still pick Salah he was threatening and trying to make things happen but Chelsea defenders were up to the task, Hazard own, defenders didnt need to stop him, His own foolish decision making stopped him

this is one of the problems you have with your football analysis and the reason i can never that you serious. You beef for some players.

Ibime:
Is 16 goals and 12 assists something to shout about?

i hope you are not going to turn to raumdeuter.

Compared to hazard's previous seasons in chelsea, is this one of his best seasons already?

Chelseafan1:
Fuccck his 16 goals, if the iddiot shot more, he would be close to 30 goals already.

No be hin mate be Salah?

you did not understand my post.

Conte can be very annoying when it comes to substitution. Anyone could see that giroud was tired and had been minus one all through the match, yet he finished the match.

Chelseafan1:
I just give up on that guy ds season.

but, do you know the funny thing, he has 16 goals and 12 assists. Ibime go tell us by season end, if this is one of his best seasons for chelsea.

Ibime:
Yep, only Arsenal winning Europa would have knocked us out if we finished in the top4 and Liverpool won UCL

okay

MusicSots:
Am looking at Chelsea beating Tottenham to the top 4 not Liverpool.

liverpool are the ones we go play directly, and that is we have more chance, for me.

Ibime:
All 5 teams qualify

are you sure about this? That is if liverpool gets out of top 4

MusicSots:
If we can win Liverpool. Tottenham will still lose one more match. I trust them

and then, if liverpool gets the ucl?

raumdeuter:
See the point and kill players

Walker never won anything big in his career
Ederson never won anything in a top 5 league
Sterling never won any league title
Sane never won any league title
KDB never won any league title
Delph bench player for most of his recent career
Otamendi never won any title in a big 4 league
Laporte never won any league title in his career
Jesus never won anything in Europe

People come and see the superior players Fraudiola used to bully the league with
Lets compare some of the opponents
should we?

DDG EPL winner
Valencia EPL winner
Jones EPL winner
Young EPL winner
Matic EPL winner
Smalling EPL winner
Alexis Copa America winner
Pogba Serie A winner

lol. You are......... I don't know.
Look at you using the narrative that suits you.
You know that KDB have not won half of what hazard has won, yet you say he is better than hazard. Hypocrite.

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