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diggz:
I do not want this to turn into another long morata argument please. It is on record here that I never wanted morata to start with.....for several reasons...some which have already manifested for all to see.

It is not my job to scout for players....but if the scouts were not too busy concentrating on few names..... probably we would have gotten a better fit for the team.

Take a look at manCity goalkeeper for example.....I am sure no one or only few people knew about him before he joined city....he has gone ahead to be an integral part of their success this season.

By the way....like I said earlier....don't make this about a particular player.....the discourse is and has always been about us not spending enough money in the transfer market which I disagreed with and I still disagree with. Don't try to make this into a morata
discourse ogbeni....cuz it is not! If you believe we got value from the transfer window with the money we spent....that's Ok but I don't....simple !!


Morata is decent yet conte went to get giroud and prefers to play hazard as a 9....abeg I no wan talk about morata please.....

in short let us end it here. But, your last statement is ridiculous.

afrodoc2:
Although your vendetta against Mourinho is well known you are right on this one. Mourinho that was sliding on Old Trafford turf like Lindsay Vonn and then rubbed salt on the wounds with his post-match comments in 2004.

You can't determine how someone else should celebrate. As long there are no insults and your physical space is not encroached upon you should be able to accept it. Mourinho is a very sore loser, probably the worst in the whole of football. United fans trying to argue otherwise would be singing a different tune if he was managing another team. We have seen how the Shekpe fans who defended him for years now call attention to all his limitations .

can you explain how the action and statement by Mourinho is an attack or insult on conte.

lordfalcao:
stop asking unnecessary questions that doesn't belong in this convo. The primary duty of an attacker is To score or assist, not topping chances created chart.

You can't be hitting double figures of assist for 3 seasons, if you don't have vision to nack passes that leads to goals.

Is chances created your own definition of vision?

sorry. Don't worry. I have seen what airmark have been saying. Forget.

diggz:
If you say the number of strikers known to you....I will definitely understand, afterall it is not your job or mine to do the scouting for the club.

By the way......the point of that post you quoted is to clarify the fact that we spent money on players....simple! Nothing else.....

Or will you regard the money spent on acquiring morata as not enough to get a decent striker?

if morata is not decent, name the decent striker that was available that you are 100% sure would have done better than morata?

lordfalcao:
goals or assist are the first primary thing for an attacker. Other stuffs like dribbling e.t.c are secondary. You can't be sitting on the assist chat of the toughest league in the world for 2 years straight if you don't have the vision to throw passes that quickly lead to goals.

sorry. I think you are confused.

Can you show me where I said kdb does not have vision?

Are you saying that the definition of vision is goals and assists?

diggz:
We spent 75mil on morata if I am not mistaken....how much did liverpool sign Mohammed Salah for again? Or are we saying moratas money is not big enough to sign a decent striker?

We signed yoko for 45mil or so....how much did we sign kante again? Or is it not possible for us to sign a decent midfielder who can at least trap the ball for that amount?

Asides liverpool spending heavy on vvd......who else did they even spend up to 45mil on.....likewise spurs?

Just take it from me.....we were busy buying rubbish players for ridiculous amount.

you can say this for other positions, but, not for the striking position. I don't know how you have forgotten so easily, but I think it was obvious during the summer transfer that there are limited number of strikers available in the market that will fit into the system conte wants to play.

raumdeuter:
I read it

you read it and you didn't see United, Pogba and Fellani?

You didn't see his response when they pointed out to him that he has insulted his colleague?

raumdeuter:
I have read that. He mentioned Chelsea and Spurs so why is it an attack on Mourinho because he didnt mention Man Utd? So is it an attack on Arsenal and Liverpool too?

are you sure you read it?

raumdeuter:
This was in response to Mourinho blaming referees for his loss to Guardiola. After Guardiola beat him Mourinho said it was because of referee and Guardiola replied him showing how he is always moaning about referees

oh! Now you are calling it response. Maybe, the once you are saying of Mourinho are not response.

Who asked him of how many percent possession they had? So, Mourinho's team did not come to play football, they came to look football abi?

raumdeuter:
So how is this an attack on Mourinho? He mentioned Spurs and Chelsea, So Why is it not an attack on Arsenal Wenger or on Liverpool Klopp

He said
'I think Tottenham are with Chelsea as the best team in wanting to play football.
'They don't expect their opponents (to force the play), they want to make their own game. It is another amazing test for us after games every three days.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/29/pep-guardiola-takes-cheeky-swipe-at-jose-mourinho-over-long-ball-manchester-united-6964567/

Read that.

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola aimed a cheeky dig at rivals United as he described his counterparts as being more likely to play long balls than other top club.
The Catalan coach is famous for his possession football, while Jose Mourinho has a rather more negative reputation, and Guardiola could not resist making a note of United’s rather less attractive style of play.
Asked about whether the end-to-end nature of English football, and the emphasis put on winning second balls, held back the national team, Guardiola responded by citing teams who ‘like to play’ – though United weren’t one of them.
Speaking with Gary Lineker on The Premier League Show about whether the style of English football has stopped the Three Lions from competing, he replied: ‘I don’t think so.
‘You see for example the national team, and you see Eric Dier, Dele Alli, [Marcus] Rashford, Raz [Sterling], John Stones, Kyle Walker, they are players who have the ability to play, they want to play. [Jordan] Henderson, [Adam] Lallana too.
‘So they are players with the quality to play, I think they want to play. I don’t see all the time long balls. I see for example Chelsea, Tottenham, they want to play. They like to play, to build up.
‘When [Manchester] United play long balls up to [Marouane] Fellaini and [Paul] Pogba, after they have the quality to play.’
Congratulated on taking a subtle dig at United, Guardiola replied laughing: ‘I have a lot of respect for my neighbours.’
Guardiola also explained how English football differs from that of Germany and Spain, where he managed Bayern Munich and Barcelona, and admits even his best players cannot avoid getting sucked into the high-octane action.
Cc raumdeuter

Pep Guardiola took another swipe at rival Jose Mourinho by maintaining Tottenham and Chelsea constantly stay true to their tactical beliefs.
Guardiola did not include Manchester United as a team who believe they can impose themselves no matter what.
Leaders Manchester City can go 21 points clear of Tottenham if they beat them at the Etihad on Saturday and Guardiola said: 'I think Tottenham are with Chelsea as the best team in wanting to play football.

Oga raumdeuter.

raumdeuter:
And have you seen Guardiola provoke another coach or even insult another one. You said he insulted Wenger and you cant pull the quote he used

Herrera was booked for diving and City manager Guardiola made it clear he was tired of his old rival's excuses.
"Last season it was the same, we won here and it was the referee. Today as well. Yesterday he spoke about the referee," Guardiola said.
"We are an honest team. We had 75 percent ball possession, which means we wanted to play. We came here and did that."

Like i said, he does his own in a cowardly way.

dopeJemi:
"Hazard does not have vision like KDB". "He does"

Argument never start?

na you sabi

raumdeuter:
We can see the Mourinho ones are not attacks, Its only the Conte ones that are attacks, Greatihex is this what you were referring to?

like i said before, sometimes it is Mourinho that finds trouble, sometimes he is not.

raumdeuter:
You mean saying that when he already criticized Conte for excessive celebration last season? I am sure when he was whispering to Conte to reduce celebration you will tell us he was not referring to Conte

kai oga! Nawao. How did he insult conte by whispering in his ear? If not for the mic, would we have known what he said to him?

airmark:
He is a science student, probably he was in the chemistry lab, when he made that stupid comment, now he couldn't defend it.

Thank God he stopped to disturb us with lacasera alerts, my guy don dey drink water.

lol

raumdeuter:
January this year this was what Mourinho said about Conte
"Because I don't behave as a clown on the touchline, it means that I lost my passion," he said.
"I prefer to behave the way I am doing it, much more mature, better for my team and myself, I don't think you have to behave like a crazy guy on the touchline to have that passion."

So how did Conte provoke him to make that comment?

sorry. How did he refer to conte there?

dopeJemi:
Lol, this will only end in another Hazard vs KDB debate, which I don't have the strength for right now, we will revisit this

na you sabi the thing you wan debate for there.

lordfalcao:
what is chances created , when people talk of vision that leads to goal?.

when you count chances created in top 5 leagues, i know yoi will see zaha as one of the players that created chances. When you talk about who has assisted more since 2012, we know the first name that pops up.

kdb has been topping him in assist chart for 2 season straight. That is where kdb vision lies and I will take this type of vision over any chance created

sorry o. What is chances created/key passes, since it is vision that leads to goals.

raumdeuter:
The other posters know this and they are just dribbling around the answer. Do you think if Mourinho was leading the league with at this point we wont be having a weekly insult session for all the other coaches

He beat Man utd in 2004 and immediately went on the mic to tell how Ferguson must be "emotional" because his team were dominated by a club with "10 percent of the budget."

dopejemi Greatihex shebi Ferguson provoked him into making that statement abi?

mind you, I am not saying that mou does not insult other managers. The thing is that he does not do it cowardly and some of the times he is not the one that starts it.

This is unlikely Pep who does it cowardly using his philosophy to insult other managers.

How will a manager be shouting at an opposing player to disregard the instruction given by his own manager?

Mourinho have issues with other managers even if he is winning or not.

Okay, let me ask you. What do you think conte was doing when he was always talking in press conference about the Mourinho season?

lordfalcao:
this was my post on kdb. If you understand it as hazard is blind, congratulations.

who posted the one airmark keeps Quoting?


Even at that, this statement is bogus. How can he be trumping hazard any day, any time in vision when hazard has been topping him all his career in chances created until last 2 seasons? And this despite hazard not being the setpiece taker

raumdeuter:
So If Pep had said Wenger is the wrong man for the job would that have been the right thing to say?

the right thing would have been to shut up and not mock him with style or tell him the truth.

It is just like when someone comes to tell you that you are the most handsome man in your village when you know the truth.

Eruditor:
Every team he had played prior.


"Bournemouth was until now the best team, who create more problems when they have the ball," said Guardiola. "The other teams play long balls and they want to play and our high pressing was not perfect.

okay. Is that not the worst? Collective yabbing.

raumdeuter:
How is Pep worse? Has Pep ever abused any manager? Mourinho poked in the eye, called one a Viewer, called one a loser, called one fat

This is Guardiola praising Conte, Mourinho recently insulted him yet you think someone who abuses you is better than one that praises you

like i said. Pep na coward. Na the reason em dey do em own with style. You need to read in between the lines to see it.

Just like the one he did this week. After thrashing wenger 3 - 0 everywhere, he went ahead to tell people that wenger is the right man for the job. Imagine. Even wenger know say na insult, but how em go take reply am when the thing look like complement?


I am not sure if Mourinho called rafa fat. I think he said the wife should go and focus on how to take care of the husband.

raumdeuter:
Guardiola and the Wigan manager disagreed did any of them call the other names?

Its not every manager only that one is a Viewer and specialist in failure, One was poked in the eye, One was the recent insult back and frth with Conte, Called Ranieri a loser, Abused Benitez on his his weight and added his wife to it

abeg, no bring benitez matter. Na benitez go send em wife make she go find trouble. As mou be mou, person wey dey ready for fight all the time, he fired back.

Meanwhile, did you see what mou said about conte and Chelsea after the United match?

dopeJemi:
Lol, Alright.


By your definition, especially the first part of it, Do you think Hazard does that well

if he does not do it, he will not be coming out almost every season in the top chance creators in Europe. He has topped it one time and came second the other time.

raumdeuter:
Unlike Mourinho, Guardiola is quite respectful of other coaches. Below is what he had to say about Conte

Guardiola believes the former Juventus boss' approach will have a lasting effect on the English game.

"What Antonio has done here in the Premier League, maybe the people don't realise," he added.

"He introduced another way to attack with five at the back, another system, a lot of teams, even Arsenal, had to do a lot of imitating to do that.

"Tactically he is a master, he did it amazingly with the national team with Italy and when he went to Turin. I think Conte is going to leave something to English football. I'm sure of that."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/11273818/pep-guardiola-praises-antonio-conte-for-changing-english-football

I know some will say its because he is winning, when Mourinho was winning that was when he was calling people Viewer and specialist in failure

see you. Pep is worse than Mourinho. The difference is that mou is not afraid of anyone and he is not a slow poison.


When Pep says that out of the teams they have played, Bournemouth is the best, just few days after playing United, who is he yabbing?

Where did Chelsea finish on the table the season Mourinho called arsene a specialist in failure.

dopeJemi:
I want to understand something, When you say vision, what do you mean?


this is not a comparison debate please, I just want to know your definition

the ability to see a situation to create a goal scoring chance or create a dangerous situation.


But, oga Ibime may have a different definition. Try ask am.

lordfalcao:
I don't understand this your long post. My point has been kdb is currently the best passer to goal in the EPL. Anyway you have to twist your narrative is left for you alone.

how will you understand when you think a player like hazard does not have vision. That he is blind.

Neymar1095:
How is it a draw? Bayern won on pk. So any final that goes into pk is a draw.

my friend Stop! Penalty shoot out is not part of a match. It is a way of deciding a winner after the teams are tied after extra time.

[quote author=lordfalcao post=65521789][/quote]i don't know the aim of this Quote. But, I am not sure that I have ever told you that kdb is not a fantastic player.

Now, did you read where he said he runs into the space and call for the pass? Did you also read where he said that they, the strikers give him a choice of where to pass the ball?

Now, the matter of how he still finds a way to play the pass to them despite the difficulty that may be involved is what i want to talk about now.

KDB's strong weapon in attack is in his passes. He is not a good dribbler and he has come to know that. This has caused him to develop in his passing over the years to make it what it is today and it has made him to stand out. Now, since it is his passing that he has as his most lethal weapon, he will always throw the pass, no matter what. Whether it has a chance of getting to the player or not, he will play it. Now, sometimes the ones that don't have the chance will reach the person, sometimes it won't.

On the other hand, hazard that you are trying to paint as a blind player in the other hand has dribbling as well as passing in his arsenal which he can call upon when passing becomes difficult. Instead, of just playing the pass or crossing, whether the person will get it or not, he will call on his second ability that he has to do the work of creating a route for him to pass.

Now, what you should know is that, (according to sane) as long as the attackers are running into the space and also giving a choice for a pass, hazard will play the pass. Then, you should also remember that most of the times he is the attacker and most of the time, the one running into the space.