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raumdeuter:
Last season that Chelsea won most of the players were used to the system. Alonso and Kante were the new ones in the team

which system? Prior to last season, which of the players have played under conte and in a 343 formation?
Were you not around when Chelsea were struggling until conte introduced the magical 343?
Abeg, no dey fall your hand.

raumdeuter:
Pep has more new players in his team in the last 2 seasons than Mourinho has.

Mourinho has Bailly, Pogba Zlatan Mhkitaryan Lindelof Lukaku Matic that are new players in Man Utd and trying to get familiar with playing with new teammates

Pep has Walker, Danilo, Mendy, Sane, Ederson Stones, Jesus, B. Silva, Gundogan

just look at what is typing, oga raumdeuter. So, it is no longer sterling being taught how to position.

Whether it is 9 players settling or 7 players settling, all of them are settling, even Chelsea.

raumdeuter:
Obviously they are not settled, still work in progress. Sterling and Sane still finding their feet and still being taught how to position themselves, Supposed starters like Mendy is injured and using a DM as LB

just look at the things you are saying. Imagine!
So, it is only in pep's team that players are still being taught how to position, abi.
So, rashford, martial, Lukaku, lindelof, lingard, bailly etc have all learnt how to position from the womb, abi?

We have all seen through your strategy.
If city wins the league now, you will start telling us that Pep is a genius and that he overachieved with his team.
If man utd fails to win it, you will say that mou with all the money he spent and this and that, is a failure.

If you say that Pep's team are settling, know also that all the teams are settling. Therefore, everyone is on the same footing.

raumdeuter:
Was she working when you were dating or you married her unemployed, without a trade and without a plan

ogami, i no knw say u dy reach this kind place o.

EvilMetahuman:
he infected all the defenders that night with a disease?

which disease if may ask?
he told them to be making stupid mistakes and be playing like 2 ediots?

is it not the disease he carries? You just said it

airmark:
Is this morata?

yes

EvilMetahuman:
Why bakayoko or the mid field when luiz alonso and rudiger were the ones playing like people with brainfart?

he infected them with his disease.




Manu got a player that cant deliver when his team need a goal but will readily score the 3rd or 4th goal and open his hands like he's found a cure for cancer


Some people can troll for Africa o. Lol

kushercain:
is he the highest goal scorer yes or no?

mehn! Honestly, Belgium really haven't produced any reasonable footballer up until this their present generation. E get as e be. Imagine hazard having such record with just 8 goals.

EvilMetahuman:
how this roma take beat chelsea 3-0 is still a mystery to me

na the bakayoko effect.

No wonder the boy is misfiring.

Nihilist:
Mehn thank you so much guys.

Really appreciate the congratulatory messages. Just got home now from the hospital for the first time in 3 days.

Time to baff, get dressed, and go and celebrate this new arrival.

congrats oga nihilist. Hope u train him in d way he shld go.

hensben:
Bro calm down. The boys were instructed by Conte to play safe against Saturday game.

pls dnt make any excuse 4 them. Cnt u see how kante played? Some that is surely starting against liverpool. Did he play safe too?

diggz:
I tell you...the holding of shirt took place outside the box

yes. Bt, this fifa new rule get as e be o. I no like am.

Ibime:
Roman don pay this ref

walahi! No other explanation.

Kai! Chelsea dn rob qarabag. That ref looks like a tahiti or African ref.

Morata disappointed today. Seriously, he shld nt try anything close to this on saturday, else he is getting an awful 4rm me.

Selfishness go kill pedro o.

Hazard lost a lot of possession today. I dnt like it.

Azpi in few minutes did what Alonso in could nt do in 50+ minutes. Nawao.

You guys notice hw d players ignored zappacosta in d second half? That nigga shld nt cum near our team on saturday o. The best crosser in serie A indeed. Imagine moses competition, mtcheew.

Leyqute:
This ref is completely blind. Not a red card, not a penalty

not a red card. Bt, the penalty is d ref's call. Nt all refs wl gv it, bt nt wrong giving it.

Ibime:
Zappacosta looking like a suspect

he does nt just look like it, he is a suspect.

Ibime:
I think we established that DeBruyne did well and won MOTM in those his first 2 starts so everything you typed up here makes no sense.

Debruyne got those 2 starts because Mata was returning from injury and Willian was not signed yet. The plan was always to return him to bench when the big boys returned and treat him like some Ola Aina player. He wasn't having it and bounced cos he knew he is better than all those they put above him.

You strongheadedly keep mentioning Isco, Martial, Rashford etc. These are players who get to enter pitch 30+ times per season. Debruyne wasn't even allowed on the bench most times, so quit with the foolish comparison.

I said there is no way DeBruyne will be afforded the due respect given to Isco, Martial, Rashford and will not establish himself as Chelseas best AM.

DeBruyne was Hazards oga in Belgium team at that time, and you expect him to allow himself be treated like some Charlie Musonda? When Mourinho went to Belgium match and got booed by Belgium fans, the Belgian journalists were writing that DeBruyne is the main man for Belgium much more than Hazard, so they can't understand Mourinho. This I read verbatim.

In 2013 and 2014 calendar years ie the period in question, DeBruyne made 7 goals and 10 assists for Belgium vs Hazard with 4 goals and 2 assists. That is 17 vs 6. Belgian fans already knew these facts and who their main man was, and will not stomach their main man being treated like Ola Aina just because he is some cheap loan returnee. I know some facts before I speak them, no stüpid angel bîtch should quote me with her idiocy.

we didn't establish anything. I didn't see anything like a motm performance 4rm him in those match. At least, the links i shared gave d motm to d one that deserves it. Unless u hv any proof of the award, ntin is established.


Kdb did nt get the start because of any other thing than that mou thought that he shld be given a chance cus of what he did in germany. Schurrle[a mourinho first signing was on the bench, with mata who passed a late fitness test. Dnt forget, moses was still in d club [if i am nt mistaken].


Better than who? Was kdb beta than mata? A chelsea player of d yr, pfa player of d yr contender, pfa team of the yr. Mata that had 20 goals and 20+ assists. Kdb was beta than him? Oh! I forgot. U dnt like mata and his playing style.
Do u knw why mata was still getting some start? Because he didn't start fighting the coach immediately he started benching. Instead, he continued to work hard to convince the coach.


I mentioned isco and mkhi becus they had to work hard to get starts in their new clubs after getting benched, instead of going to the coach's office to the him that they deserve to be starting every match, when they are yet to convince d coach. Do you think the coach wl continue to select such player when he has a lot of alternative? The player must be humble and keep working hard to convince the coach, just like Aguero did wt pep.
Do you think that if Aguero had rudely gone to pep's office after his benching, to tell him that he deserves to be starting every match, instead of working, that he would hv played up to the number of matches he played last season. If pep had alternatives?


You are nt answering d rashford question.
According to ur politics claim, rashford shld nt be playing matches at all since there are investments to protect in the people of martial, mhki, mata and lukaku. Why then is a no cost rashford starting more matches? Have mou forgotten hw to protect investment?

Isco and mhki were afforded respect and given more chances because they respected their managers and kept working hard and being humble.

Ibime:
You have no point. Stop comparing apples with oranges. You are probing the depths of inanity with your foolish comparisons.

Martial makes 40 appearances per season and has ample opportunity to stake his claim. De Bruyne was treated like an academy player and given 3 EPL appearances in half a season. Why should the best young player in Germany return to Chelsea and subject himself to treatment that is more akin to the likes of Ola Aina or some youth player. DeBruyne at that point was better than Martial is now, and was already Belgiums main man even over Hazard. You think he is one small boy that would come and sacrifice his career for political hogwash like he is some youth player that should be waiting for injury crisis before he can play.

You never watched DeBruyne in Germany, and saw DeBruyne in Chelsea and thought you are dealing with some Ola Aina youth here to be happy to play 1 or 2 games a season and wait for his chance, that's why you are yarning opata. Anyone who saw DeBruyne week in, week out in Germany knows that was the equivalent of sending Dele Alli to Real Madrid only to treat him like some 17 year old academy player. Someone who just outshined Gundogan, Gotze, Kroos etc that were running UCL that year. You must have knocked your head.

There is no way Debruyne will make the same amount of appearances as Martial does and will not be crowned the best AM at Chelsea. This is equivalent to Paul Pogba situation at Manure where they would rather call Paul Scholes back from retirement than allow him play. He knows he is better than all Manure midfielders and there is a game being played, so its better he bounces.

you are using martial while u shld be using rashford. Why is martial nt playing all d games and Rashford on the bench? Since £50+m was invested in martial?

Whatever de bruyne did in Germany is what got him first two starts of the season. Bt, alias, he couldn't convince the manager and other options were tried.

Kdb has matured since leaving chelsea, yet he cnt make even d pfa team of d yr nw, and u think he would hv bn crowned chelsea best AM midfielder, when his oga is stil there? Hmm.

Seems like you are mistaking chelseafc for werder bremen.
When mhki got to united, he started out by sitting on the bench, just so that he cnt adapt to d league o. Dnt forget, he was the best player in germany prior to that time. When he eventually got his chance, he fluffed it and went back to d bench again.

When isco with everything he did at malaga went to madrid, he started out sitting on the bench, until he proved himself. Look at him nw.
So, who said that if Alli gets to madrid and does'nt convince d manager in his first two starts, that the manager cnt decide to try other readily alternatives?

Pls, cn u shw us hw kdb of then is beta than martial of nw?

If mourinho wanted to play politics wt kdb, why did he call him bk 4rm germany and gave him d first two starts of d season?

Ibime:
Everytime KDB started a match, he was a crack.

Maybe you attended training sessions to form opinion that he wasn't good enough?

We have simply told you that KDB was sacrificed for the midfield being weak and for bigger names. Jose was not supplied with a functioning midfield so had to patch-patch the last wing position and play a workhorse that can cover the midfields deficiencies ie Willian or Schurrle.

I am sure about KDB winning MOTM against Hull. No one can tell me KDB did not show enough at Chelsea.

i still stand my ground and wl continue to preach it that kdb was afraid of competition. That is why he ran away.

If martial is afraid of competition, he would have ran away during the summer. Bt, look at him nw fighting strongly 4 the shirt. Anyday that rashford bleeps up nw, he wl grab it final.
If kdb had stayed to the end of the season, or gone on loan, he would hv by nw cemented his place in the team if he had worked harder and improved like he has done. Since schurrle nd willian hv proven to be average players.

Nobody cn tel me otherwise abt kdb's journey at chelsea. I was alive.

Ibime:
This is where we caught your lie.

You came here to type trash about KDB flopping at Chelsea, then in the same sentence told us that KDB made assist in the 1st match JM gave him. Not only did he make assist but he was voted MOTM. And in his 2nd match, he also did well. After that he was not handed start again. So when we tell you it is politics, you can take that to the bank.

You made a rubbish post about KDB flopping at Chelsea to fit your 2017 Hazard vs KDB argument that has nothing to do with the reality of how KDB played in 2013 so sensible people have to pull your card on it.

As for the other stuff you typed about JM not playing politics, let Lukaku go 5 matches with no goal and see whether Rashford will pick no9 shirt, then come back and talk about politics.

KDB was the best player on the pitch with the little opportunity he was given in 2013. Don't come here to tell us lies to fit your other arguments.

let me correct some things.
I neva said that kdb flopped at chelsea. My position is that he showed promise, bt never did anything to deserve always being selected and he was nt patient to wait 4 that time.

Pls, dnt tel us that mou was using schurrle as a striker. He only started as a striker once, against utd, becus mou wanted to be more conservative. Mata was nt injured either, becus he, schurrle, lukaku, demba ba were all on d bench. In fact, schurrle came on 4 kdb in the match. So, dnt tel us that kdb started becus schurrle or mata were nt available. Dnt forget that moses was even around then.
I am nt arguing hazard vs kdb nw. We are talking abt kdb and chelsea, pls.

Batshuayi had a man of the man performance against watford, why is he nt starting? Because, morata has a higher ceiling than bats. He has a lot to his game that the manager is seeing that wl make him to continue to play morata ahead of him. Even hazard is playing ahead of him. Is it politics? No. This is because the manager sees beyond few goals here and there.

Why is mou nt playing the politics with martial against rashford at united? Dnt he knws how to play politics again?

Pls, i am nt sure abt kdb winning d official motm against hull. But, look at what these sites have.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/18/chelsea-hull-city-premier-league
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2396524/Chelsea-2-Hull-0--match-report-Goals-Oscar-Frank-Lampard-Jose-Mourinho-easy-win.html

raumdeuter:
How many league games did KdB play under Mourinho. He had 1 assist in 2 games and how many did he play in Man City to hit the ground running?

oga, i don't just count goals and assists to know a player that is doing well.

airmark:
Your name should be changed to dopemu. 3 seasons ago should be 2014/2015, right? Go and ask your coach what hazard achieved and his view about hazard that season. Come back and tell me why your brain should not be replaced with 5kb memory card.



This must be untrue.

my brother, it is true. Though he played safe by not outrightly saying that mhki was better, but he did reel out goals and assists to caution we that were arguing that hazard was better not to say so.

You can check posts of last year summer, when mhki was signed.

Ibime:
So you are showing KDB actually did well in the 2 opportunities he was given? Yes KDB was presented with the MOTM in his first game. In his 2nd game, he performed brilliantly at Old Trafford. How does this relate to your assertion that KDB flopped at Chelsea?

At the start of that season, Mata was injured and Willian wasn't signed till deadline day. JM was also starting Schurrle as a striker. In the space created by these absences, KDB grabbed his opportunity with BOTH HANDS, but the politics of the situation is that Willian was bought for £32m (not by JM) on deadline day, and KDB was returned to the place always designed for him which was to be squad fodder. Intelligent people will recall minutae detail of past events and will tell the full story, not some average intelligence bloke that will come telling us stories in 2017 of events that are beyond his recollection.

i am showing you how Mourinho was determined to give him a career.
Remember, I watched the matches, i didn't just go to count goals and assists to conclude that he performed well.
Musonda has two starts with one goal, yet nobody is saying that politics is keeping him out of the team. Why?

Ibime:
You are talking nonsense. Rashford hit the ground running and JM brought in big names like Ibra and Lukaku to replace him. If JM had brought Solanke to replace him, will that go down well with the fans?

In football, there is something called status. Hazard came in with £32m of status, an investment to be protected. If Hazard had come through youth system, he will definitely chop bench while the club seek returns om their £25m players. It's the same reason why Torres £50m was being protected at the expense of Sturridge and Lukaku who came in for peanuts.

You typing nonsense about hit the ground running. If KDB was bought from Germany for £25m instead of being a loan returnee, no politics will be played with him. KDB first match he won MOTM providing a sumptuous assist, 2nd match he played well at Old Trafford. . . . and that was it. Did you expect him to score 2 hattricks to prove he has hit the ground running?

If you did not how to watch football in 2013, you should kindly shut up in 2017. KDB did exactly what those who know football know he will do from the minute he left Chelsea.

Mourinho did not remember politics when he gave KDB first two starts of the season ahead of a more expensive schurrle and an established mata?
Mourinho has forgotten how to play politics in the case of £50+ million martial and rashford? Or is there no investment there to protect?

Or, is Chelsea no longer playing politics in the case of Christensen?
Is musonda's own politics too?

Oga, the bottom line is that, a good market sells itself. "ahia oma n'ere onwe ya"

You and I know that Mourinho is one of the last managers that will put anything ahead of performance, not even sentiments.

It will be understandable if you tell us that you love KDB for his style of play and therefore, have a soft soft spot for him. That you are not happy that he could not wait to make it at Chelsea. But, don't blame anyone for him not making. It all has to do with the player himself and nothing else.
He was not patient and was also rude on top of it.

On 30 August 2015, Manchester City announced the arrival of De Bruyne on a six-year contract, for a reported club-record fee of £55 million(€75 million) making him the second most expensive transfer in British football history after Ángel Di María 's move to Manchester United in 2014. [52][53] He made his debut for the team in the Premier League on 12 September against Crystal Palace , replacing injured Sergio Agüero in the 25th minute. [54]On 19 September, he scored his first goal for the club against West Ham United in first half stoppage time in an eventual 2–1 loss. [55]He went on to score in a 4–1 League Cup win against Sunderland , on 22 September [56]and a 4–1 loss to Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League on 26 September. [57]On 3 October, he scored in the team's 6–1 win against Newcastle United . [58]



If he had done this when he came to Chelsea, no level of politics would have sent him away.

After a successful loan spell in the Bundesliga with Werder Bremen, De Bruyne was linked with a move to stay in Germany with either Borussia Dortmund or Bayer Leverkusen . Incoming manager José Mourinho , however, assured De Bruyne he was a part of Chelsea's plan for the future, and the player officially returned to Chelsea on 1 July 2013. [30]
De Bruyne injured a knee while scoring his first goal for Chelsea, in a pre- season friendly game against a Malaysia XI, [31]but was fit to make his competitive debut on the opening day of the 2013–14 Premier League season against Hull City , and made an assist for the first goal in a 2–0 win. [32]





If Mourinho wanted to play politics with KDB, the above wouldn't have happened.

Ibime:
What do you expect Lampard to say about his mentor? What would Gary Neville say about Sir Alex concerning Pogba in the same regard? Pundits are there to smooth things over.

In 2013, DeBruyne was already better than any U-23 player in Germany. Any other yarns na politics.

just like mhkitaryan was the best player in Germany before going to Manchester United.
You remember when you were arguing that he had the numbers and therefore was better than hazard?

Ibime:
Greatihex and anyone who liked his post are fools. Just because they did not know how to watch football in 2013 does not mean some of us didn't. KDB arrived here as YPOTY in Germany, rated higher than the likes of Draxler, Kroos, Gotze, Alaba etc. He arrived a top footballer and left a top footballer. He started 2 EPL games for Chelsea only of which he was MOTM in one, the other a good performance in a creditable draw away at Manure. What drove KDB out was politics and poor squad planning just like Lukaku and Sturridge. If KDB was bought for €35m he would have been treated fairly. The 3 political issues that drove KDB out of Chelsea were

1.) Mourinho was trying to get rid of a club legend Mata and needed a star name like Oscar to do it. Mourinho already set the political play in motion before season start by saying "Brazil no 10 is my no 10". It was pure politics. KDB did not have a big enough profile to be used for such political play.

2.) The club pursued Emenalo policy of buying too many £20m+ wingers. A manager is immediately under pressure to protect such assets and justify the club purchase of those players. There were 6 wingers/AMs competing for 3 positions. Whether you like it or not, your price tage determines the consideration you are given in such scenario. Now consider that Hazard is already locked in and Oscar is already locked in because of the political play with Mata. That leaves 4 players competing for 1 position (Mata, Willian, Schurrle and KDB), of which JM has to keep the fans onside by giving some minutes to club legend Mata even if he doesn't want to start him

3.) The final reason was partly political and partly tactical. The club had pursued a policy of understaffing the midfield due to Emenalos favouritism of Mikel and Ramires. In such a situation, JMs 3rd AM had to be Willian so that his workrate can help balance a midfield unfit for purpose. Willian became the chosen 3rd AM due to deficiencies on other parts of the team ie midfield which further squeezed out Debruyne.


Those who know how to watch football knew Debruyne was a crack player. Me and Nateevs have been raving about him before he returned to Chelsea and anticipating his return. I already had him as one of my favourite AM back then. Debruyne was a star in Germany before he returned and he was a star again the minute he left Chelsea. Greatihex is just typing nonsense to suit his argument. That summer he left Chelsea, Debruyne was one of the best players at the World Cup.

Below is one of only 2 EPL games Debruyne started at Chelsea. He was doing the exact same things he is doing now, the exact same things he did the season before that had him crowned best young player in Germany, a league that was crawling with the worlds best young talent. If you say Debruyne did not know how to play ball in 2013, then you are a newcomer to football.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcVLtUigc7Y

whenever this KDB's issue comes up, the only thing you bring up is politics. Something that has no proof.

Why did politics not chase hazard, schurrle, willian and co out.

KDB like many other Chelsea young players over the years had the potential (just like musonda now) but thought he should be starting when he has done nothing to prove that he deserves it. Oga, if you are good, you are good, no politics can stop a good player from playing.

Hazard came to Chelsea and immediately hit the ground running. No kind of politics would have stopped hazard from playing.

I will just ask you these questions and I will end this issue ever.

If KDB had hit the ground running like rashford had done at United, would Mourinho had benched him to test schurrle and willian?

If Mourinho played politics on KDB's issue, why did he start him for Chelsea's first matches of the season?

If KDB had not started well at Manchester city, would pellegrini have benched him for an alternative or not?

Was Mourinho playing politics with mhkitaryan when he started out to bench him last season?

Was conte playing politics with fabregas when he was benching him last season?

Oga Ibime please answer the following sincerely.

Neymar1095:
Hazard that only has one hatrick
in his entire career and you Chelsea fans
hyping him cuz of stupid and meaningless
dribbles, Chelsea fans better pack well jor . Hazard
is just an average player that can dribble,
there's nothing exceptional bout him. You mcm went one full season hidden....... Fraud

can you bet on the assertion that hazard has only one hattrick in his career?

cstr1000:
No matter how you want to play it, it all bores down to Mou.
KDB is a special talent. I already knew it right away.
What Mou or any decent manager should have done was to include a buy-back clause after he went to wolfsbug. Even if it means Overpaying, it would have been worth it.

Conte would have managed the situation much better. I am certain of that.

abeg, is it Mourinho that sees about the contract for players?

For me, I would have wanted that he be sent on loan just like Salah. But, the nigga was blaming the manager for his lack of game time instead of working to improve his game.

You have not done anything to prove that you deserve to be starting and you don't want the manager to try other players in your position. He even had the guts to tell Mourinho that he doesn't deserve to be on the bench and pointing to hazard his mate in age, not in football.

He eventually forced his way out, and that is no one's fault. Good for him, that he left to and learn elsewhere and become a top player.

But, at Chelsea; he was not ready. Giaskiya

dopeJemi:
Memphis depay this season, 11 goals and 4 assists

Hidden this season, 11 goals and 2 assists, so shut the fnck up and take several seats

oh my Goodness, somebody is still bringing depay in a hazard talk. Are you serious?