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@dicksj93, Tank u for this. They wl never undastd this. It is the teams and nt d league.

coogar:
you should also send this link to elampiro. i have always told him that UEFA/EPL count such stuff as assists even when opta do not recognise rebounds as assists.

UEFA counted assist for tevez & messi but opta did not count it for them. i think it won't be long when there would be a universal rule for what constitutes an assist. if a player is brought down in the box that resulted into a scored penalty, EPL counts it as an assist but opta does not.

chelseafc statisticians count assists on the important contribution of the player towards the goal. In that fabregas got 34 assists dis season. Bt that of epl counting penalty won as assist is nt true. Bcus opta is the epl's official stats provider.

raumdeuter:
When I say Chelsea fans are the most ignorant set they would argue.

What would it cost you to go to uefa. Com to check before disgracing yourself online.

I've taken it upon myself to eradicate ignorance on this forum see the link below. You can thank me later

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2015/matches/round=2000552/match=2015227/postmatch/statistics/index.html

ur own don pass garri. It must b that uefa.com rates their assist based on am important contribution to the goal, and nt the person that made the last pass. Just lyk hw chelseafc rate theirs.

ClintonNzedimma:
I did, this was months ago

y dnt u do it again for that of next season.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta assisted the first goal in a CL final.

Messi assisted the second goal

Tell us about that useless Ikedia

messi did nt make any assist. Goal frm a rebound has no assist. See as una dy use small tins dy fall una hand.

Debroslink:
Messi provided the assist for Suarez. Iniesta was man of the match. Which final did Ikedia Hazard provide an assist or was man of the match this season?

messi did nt make any assist. Goal frm a rebound has no assist. See as una dy use small tins dy fall una hand.

Why dnt u play it again without cheating and see if the result is going to be d same in reality.

binhozie:
who has more assist fabregas or hazard and what is he creating if fabregas has more assist Dan him
is he creating corner kicks or goals
bro I prolly started following football before u were born its obvious

den u must be older than my grandfather who died at the age of 101 in d year 2000. I nw knw the reason behind ur poor reasoning, judgment and analysis. I am very sorry for disturbing you Pa. But nonetheless, u can answer this questions to urself. Hw many of fabregas assists came frm corner kicks and freekicks? Who take set pieces for chelsea? The chances hazard create, is it his responsibility to 5nish them off? Shalom

slimsky:
ppl lyk u...notin neymar will do that will make u lyk him....neymar is not hazard class...compare hazard with sterling and morata...c u later lad

FYI, i dnt hate neymar. I knw he is a great player that has the potential to becum d world best one day, unlike you who does nt recognize and appreciate the quality of a player just bcus he plays 4 a team u do nt like. What i said is my opinion according what i tink is right abt d game and the analysis of the qualities of both players and dia contribution nd form in dia teams. Me knowing the qualities of both players and appreciating it is wat makes me a better football fan dan u who feels that a player like hazard shld b compared to morata.

slimsky:
when u play with average players,u think u are d best....i bet hazard won't be talk abt when he plays with world class players

be reasonable for once

Krasid:
Hazard is not a better finisher compared to Neymar and i doubt he would score the same/similar amount of goals that Neymar has scored this season.

when u say hazard is nt a good finisher, ask urself, how many shots does he take in a match, and how many makes it into the net. I.e how many goal score chances does he get and how many does he miss. Check that of neymar then u cn judge.

parrotibaba:
I can't believe dat I hv been wasting my strength arguing with amateurs ,

@d bolded ,u just said what I hv been saying all along

a false 9 is commonly played in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formation but he isn't a striker so he falls back to d midfield to anchor play. Emphasis is on d word "false" ,meaning he could play anywhere in d midfield ,a false nine lined up in d formation of d team is listed in d position of a strike but dat is not his role ...


You said dat Eurosport listed Mata as a striker but yet de stated dat Chelsea started d game in a 4-6-0 formation ,how does dis correspond? I found fault in dat particular line in ur post ...

#Fact

Eden Hazard was used as a false nine against Juventus not as a center forward for fцck's sake meaning he operated in d midfield ...

How much more conspicuous can I make dis be?

i no knw any other way i go use explain dis tin to u. K, let me ask u dis questions. In the match u claim u watched, when chelsea attacked, who was always in the centre? who was d ball most often given or crossed to, to score goals? Who always ran through d centre to collect passes in front of the goal post?

Krasid:
Who says CR7 is not good at link up play.Don't just judge players based on one or two seasons.Madrid was playing a possession type of football under Ancelloti using the 4-3-3 formation when the squad is complete or a 4-4-2 sometimes.It means that the creative work was done mainly by the Madrid midfield of Kroos, Modric, James/Isco while the attackers finish the moves.Previous seasons especially under Mourinho, Madrid used a 4-2-3-1 formation, playing a direct/counter-attack type of football and he was very much involved in build up.It all depends on the coach.

are u a madrid fan?

Krasid:
Maybe, but what i don't agree is hazard also scoring lots of goals if he is the one creating chances at Barcelona.Afterall, there is no selfish player stopping him from getting lots of goals at Chelsea where he is the creator.

barca play a different pattern to chelsea's. High pressing. Hazard wl always get an opportunity in d opposition box.

parrotibaba:
The level of ignorance in dis thread is appalling ,it's like pouring a bucket of water into an empty basket ...so u r d only on in d football world who is a genius in watching matches? n ur word is final baa? I watched d game myself n if I had relied on dat ,u ppl will ask me for proof or post match analysis hence my compliance ...






This is what various websites said after d match

u sabi watch ball, u cum hia dy type rubbish?

parrotibaba:
mumu is it not d match where Juventus whipped Chelsea 3-0? The problem is dat u guys don't even know what a false nine is ...n for ur info I watched both legs ,n to further buttress my point ,I backed it up with proof from zonal marking who monitor matches n lineups,hazard started as a false nine b4 Torres was brought in ...a little research wouldn't kill u would it?

and i keep telin u dat, there is no amount of research dat wl show u wat happened in the match. U wl only c the real person that played d false 9 when u watch d match. Stop looking at line ups.

igwedaboss:
True
A ronaldo - hazard would be more effective than a Messi-Hazard.
I will take Hazard over Neymar.
Reason be that, Hazard does a lot to create chances than Neymar. Now imagine when he has messi and suarez upfront with him.

for me, hazard-messi wl be beta. Messi wl help hazard in creating the chances and both wl be 5nish them off. Unlike cr7 that is nt too good in link up play nd wl only wait wen it has been prepared to 5nish it off.

binhozie:
em create reach fabregas wey no fit play for barca ?

so for ur mind, fabregas creates more chance than hazard? Ur own b say u no sabi football at all. Go and learn football b4 u cum here to comment and argue.

binhozie:
Neymar has 9 champions league goals the only man since Gomez to try and break the duopoly
Messi ....10
Neymar...9
Ronaldo ....9

who told u that. Yilmaz of galatasaray did it last three seasons, and luiz adriano scored 9 in the group stage alone dis season.

Krasid:
It won't be as effective as Messi-Neymar.Hazard's strength lies in creating for his teammates, Barcelona already have a creator in Messi.A Ronaldo-Hazard combo would be deadlier than a Messi-Hazard combo.

it is true that messi is the chief creator 4 barca, bt he cn leave that to hazard and do more of the 5nishing, as he is also a 5nisher. Though both wl score a lot of goals as messi is also a selfless player.

seankay:
I just imagining what an Messi - Hazard combo wud look like. Those defenders go suffer mehn

dis one go b if hazard dribble hm own finish, messi go continue frm dia, then finish am off. Their vision go too strong. No defence wey dm wan break wey dm no go break. Even without dribble, their one-touch passes go dy break defences.

Krasid:
With at least 9 men of the opposition team behind the ball.You would require a lot of creativity and intelligence to get past such defences.

is it that u dnt knw that most teams in d epl play defensively against chelsea. Without hazard, chelsea wl find it difficult to break down those defensive organisation. That is where his pace, excellent dribbling, vision and brilliance comes into play. The reason he played all league matches dis season. Fabregas was also brought in to help hm do the work. The reason the duo hv the best pass combination in d attacking third.

I so much love my chelsea because of their culture of beating the big boys. That club that evry other team dread, my chelsea wl fit wt dia last blood and beat them. They always beliv in their self. No team is superior to them. I also love them for their direct football, their approach to the game. The philosophy of put the ball in the opponents net and stop the opponent frm doin the same to them. This is the reason y i started supporting dis club, and love them so much.

hensben:
bro i tell you, na livescores them dey check..smh. that i diot say hazard dey dribble meaningless dribble lol..if na assist and goal be football then iniesta is an average player. in mou tactic and formation hazard is just like iniesta.

no mind them.

parrotibaba:
and u argue objectively? somebody said dat hazard has never played as a false nine in his Chelsea career but evidence says otherwise n u think it's as a result of visiting goal.com that we make our points ,u think say only una d watch live matches ...some Chelsea fans self

do u hv problem wt undastding? If u had watched the match, u wouldn't hv said that. In both matches, mata and oscar played as the false 9. Try and watch matches. Hazard has only played false 9 for few minutes, and that was last season when a striker was brought off wt abt 5 minutes to go.

Guy, y u no write about the three players

parrotibaba:
what r u even saying? d facts r dia ,who mentioned goal.com here?

me and u no get talk, cus u no dy argue objectively.

Op, ur list is faulty without Hazard.
U neva see torres wia hm dy disturb b4. I remember a match against tottenham last two seasons when he wanted to use his nails to design the face of vertonghen(dnt mind d spelling) he was giving d tottenham defence all sorts of trouble. He was finally sent off because of that same guy,(though he was nt at fault). Chelsea would hv won that match if nt for that torres send-off.
I still remember messi pushing lampard in the 2012 ucl semi final match at camp nou. Messi was damn frustrated. Lampard did ntin to messi, only that he was having a problem wt another barca player; messi ran frm where he was to push lampard on the chest.

If u say most successful, using d stats, it Pep. Bt, a closer analysis wl put other coaches like wenger and mou on top.

Bimffo:
Lool.. Dayo?? Did You watch both Matches??

Against Juve, Mata played as a False 9.. Hazard still played as a LMF.

Against Arsenal this recently concluded season, Oscar played as the False 9.. Hazard played as the LMF.

Forget all those analysis and news line Up for those matches! Hazard as never played as a False 9 at Chelsea!

no mind them, dm go just go goal.com go read line up, after the match dm go check ppl wey score and assist. Them no go ever watch match, na y dm no knw hazard quality. I dy watch many matches wey player go be shit throughout, bt go fortunately tap in one goal. These guys neva ask d reason y ppl hail messi performance against man city 4 dis season, upon say hm no score them 1 goal.

Debroslink:
If the bold is your question, the answer is capital NO. If we swap Hazard with Neymar, and Hazard plays Neymar's place, Messi 's efforts and passes would be a waste because Hazard is not a clinical finisher as Neymar.

Lemme ask you a question...


If Hazard is in Barcelona, will he score up to 38 goals?

yes. If he is deployed the way neymar is deployed dis season.
But, he won't be deploy that way. Instead he wl be doing the exact work messi is doing nw; playmaking. Messi was chosen to do it cause neymar cnt do it. He only loves to run in a score goals.
You guys shld stop arguing childishly with sentiments. If to say dis same hazard dy barca or madrid nw, na una for the hype nw. Just say u dy vex say hm no dy ur team, u cum use style dy do bad belle. If u just hear nw say ur club wan buy, i knw say u go dy hapi 4 mind, bt u go use style dy talk say u no want am.

Debroslink:
Who was under more pressure? When pressure came from a grade B team with just 10 players, he failed woefully.

u are just running around trying to hold on. Now i knw wat a hero Gej is. Damn! It is nt easy to concede defeat o! Chai!