Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 1:56pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: He was sent to the Israelites then he sent the israelites, those who became his disciples, to the rest of the world. How come you don't understand this?
Even after showing you multiple verses that shows that the person Jesus said would come is a spirit, you still it is muhammad a human. Na wah for you o.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me.
Jesus said the spirit proceeds from the Father which is God. You Muslims don't believe God is a Father. I now wonder how you are able to twist the verse to mean the spirit which will proceed from a Father you don't believe in is a human called muhammad What will that comforter do when he comes? Then tell me what the Holy Spirit has done since Jesus said that |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 1:54pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: He was sent to the Israelites then he sent the israelites, those who became his disciples, to the rest of the world. How come you don't understand this?
Even after showing you multiple verses that shows that the person Jesus said would come is a spirit, you still it is muhammad a human. Na wah for you o.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me.
Jesus said the spirit proceeds from the Father which is God. You Muslims don't believe God is a Father. I now wonder how you are able to twist the verse to mean the spirit which will proceed from a Father you don't believe in is a human called muhammad He himself said his message was only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel... Are u saying he's contradicting himself? Now u are trying to shift post... But let's finish with the spirit of truth as it is stated in the bible... The Bible equated "True spirit to true prophet" which means the spirit of truth is the prophet of truth... Ur bible confirmed that... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 1:14pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: The Israelites were the only ones with the knolwedhe of God. But God had plans for the rest of the world. So He sent Jesus to come through the Israelites then send them to the rest of the world . Do u understand what that statement mean? "I HAVE BEEN SENT BUT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL" It means he's sent ONLY to the children of the house of Israel.. Not to the whole of creation.. That's why he told them that someone else will come & guide them into all the truth.... Someone who will not speak of himself but whatsoever he hears from GOD is what he shall speak... That person is the natural successor of christ |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:47pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Because he told them to go into the world preachingbthe good news to everyone.
How do you expect that to be possible when it's not everyone that understood Hebrew or Greek? The same Jesus Christ said "I've been sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" So i don't understand why he will still tell them to go & preach the good news to everyone |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:45pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: One doesn't only need to understand arabic, one also need to use the tasfir to read the Quran.
Na wah o.
Yet you say the Quran is easy to understand.
My friend,uhammad never said it looked as if, he said it settled in a pool of what with certainty. U quoted a hadith to back up ur point when it suits u.... Now am using it to explain a verse for u, u are denying |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:43pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
Hamzi423: U just want to confuse ursef... If Jesus Christ spoke to his people using a particular language.... Why would they do otherwise & speak with a different language? Was His gospels translated from its original form during the time of Jesus? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:41pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Where did Jesus say speak to people in a particular language? alBHAGDADI: Where did Jesus say speak to people in a particular language? I meant if Jesus spoke to his people in a particular language, why would they change it |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:40pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: One doesn't only need to understand arabic, one also need to use the tasfir to read the Quran.
Na wah o.
Yet you say the Quran is easy to understand.
My friend,uhammad never said it looked as if, he said it settled in a pool of what with certainty. U quoted a hadith which is a tafseer... Meaning it better explains the Quran.. When it suits u... It is a simple thing... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:34pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
HajimeSaito: It proves that the whole of our scientific knowledge is wrong. The Sun does not sit in the middle of our Solar System and our Planet Earth does not orbit the sun. The Sun is a small object that sets in a pool of water right here on earth! MOOhaMAD knows more than Galileo, Corpenicus, NASA etc! All hail MOOhaMAD!!! The interpretation of “the sun setting in a spring of black muddy water”, in the books of Tafseer is the following: Dhul-Qarnain went towards the direction of the West until he reached the farthest place in the West. There he found as if the sun was setting in a black muddy water. If a person among ourselves stands at the shore (sea-side) at sun set, he will see the sun as if it is falling into the sea, or setting into the sea. But the reality is otherwise, when the sun sets in one place, it is still rising on another place Therefore, what is meant by the verse “he found the sun setting in a muddy water” means when someone looks at it, that is what he/she would think and see. Perhaps, Dhul-Qarnain arrived to a place where a river in deluge meets with the sea. The water of the river may contain mud, and when the sun sets, it would appear to a person looking at it as if it sets in a muddy water. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:32pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: He played in the language people understood then. He never said it is in that language they should only pray in. U just want to confuse ursef... If Jesus Christ say speak to his people using a particular language.... Why would they do otherwise? Was His gospels translated from its original form during the time of Jesus? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:29pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: But God never gave such order in the days of the Bible all prophets. That shows that Muhammad served a different god. So GOD didn't select a particular way of worship through Moses to his people? Dude are u for real? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:27pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Jesus didn't come with the gospel. The gospel is the message preached about him. The gospel of Jesus Christ is what Jesus Christ himself preached... Message he continuously say was from GOD almighty... Not what story tellers say about him |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:26pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: But God never gave such order in the days of the Bible all prophets. That shows that Muhammad served a different god. What is the gospel? Why is it called the gospel of Jesus Christ? Is it not because they are the words preached by he himself? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:23pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
HajimeSaito: Sorry sir. You're absolutely right. The koran is a book of truth and MOOhamed was an enlightened man:
Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water. This is why translations are flawed, this is why the Quran was maintained in one language..... Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." It was a description not a fact... It is as if the sub was setting in a spring of dark mud... The interpretation of “the sun setting in a spring of black muddy water”, in the books of Tafseer is the following: Dhul-Qarnain went towards the direction of the West until he reached the farthest place in the West. There he found as if the sun was setting in a black muddy water. If a person among ourselves stands at the shore (sea-side) at sun set, he will see the sun as if it is falling into the sea, or setting into the sea. But the reality is otherwise, when the sun sets in one place, it is still rising on another place Therefore, what is meant by the verse “he found the sun setting in a muddy water” means when someone looks at it, that is what he/she would think and see. Perhaps, Dhul-Qarnain arrived to a place where a river in deluge meets with the sea. The water of the river may contain mud, and when the sun sets, it would appear to a person looking at it as if it sets in a muddy water. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:20pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
HajimeSaito: Sorry sir. You're absolutely right. The koran is a book of truth and MOOhamed was an enlightened man:
Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water. This is why translations are flawed, this is why the Quran was maintained in one language..... Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." It was a description not a fact... It is as if the sub was setting in a spring of dark mud... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:10pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
HajimeSaito: It proves that the whole of our scientific knowledge is wrong. The Sun does not sit in the middle of our Solar System and our Planet Earth does not orbit the sun. The Sun is a small object that sets in a pool of water right here on earth! MOOhaMAD knows more than Galileo, Corpenicus, NASA etc! All hail MOOhaMAD!!! U can still make your point without insults... I believe u are mature & ready to share ideas in understanding each others faith... U might not believe in Muhammad... Still does not give you the right to insult him... And if that's all you are here for then tell me to go... Because u Christians always result to insults whenever u can't prove ur point |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:06pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: First, the comforter is not a human, so it couldn't have been Muhammad. The comforter is a spirit, the Holy Spirit.
Secondly, Its purpose is not for salvation, but to comfort and remind Christians all the things Jesus taught them.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 16 :12 to 15 I have many things to say unto you but you cannot bear them now howbeit when he the spirit of truth is come he shall guide you into all the truth he shall teach the things that are to come he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever that shall he hear is what he speaks & he shall glorify me... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:01pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
ogatboy: Are you aware the Quran you are using was compiled in 1924 and approved at Cairo in 1980's.
If the purpose of God, is to change the wrong, why is he confusing people with different translations and interprétation. Who then can accurately explain the Quran the way it is in God's mind. Who knows the real Arabic and won't the person also translate it as he sees fit when he teaches it The Quran is the same... Everywhere in the world.. And GOD is not the author of confusion.. His revelations are accurate & direct... And all came in a specific language or dialect... If u truly are a believer then learning a language chosen by ur GOD shouldnt be a problem... After all u learned English to survive in today's world... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:58am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You see. Only one language and that is the only language Allah understands. To hell with uniformity where I have to mutter the same thing everyone else is saying. If Allah is not limited, why can't I pray in a different manner and sayings? When Jesus taught them how to pray... What did he say? & in what language did he pray? If u want to follow Jesus, then u must do as he did... Try to emulate him & not fabricate what u feel is the right way |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:54am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You see. Only one language and that is the only language Allah understands. To hell with uniformity where I have to mutter the same thing everyone else is saying. If Allah is not limited, why can't I pray in a different manner and sayings? All true muslims are one & the same... They are to worship in a particular manner & in a specific time & in a specific way... That's what differentiate them from the unbelievers... It is a way of life that GOD has chosen for his creation... If u want to be a believer, then u must do what HE asks.. Simple |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:51am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: And that God is Yahweh. But Muhammad came up with a totally different name and doctrine, even style of worship. How does the Jews worship? How do the modern day Christians worship? Are they the same? No.. The major point there is that all of the prophets of GOD preached the oneness of GOD... HE has no partner no companion... He's alone in his might He shares nothing with no-one... He's one & absolute.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:40am On Jul 15, 2018 |
Hamzi423: All the prophets of the Bible preached the oneness of GOD & that's the same with Muhammad... Though their style might differ due to difference in audience or followers but they all preached the oneness of GOD which is the most important thing U are strongly refusing to understand... Jesus came with the gospel, Moses with the laws & Muhammad with the Quran... Jesus coming back is not as a messenger, because he's not bringing any new message... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:32am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: According to you, God is sending him back again, right? That means he is coming back as a messenger from God again. This means Muhammad is not the last messenger. Morever, Muhammad contradict all the prophets of the Bible, which shows he was never from the same source. This means if you say he is the last messenger, then that it to Allah, not the Hood of the Bible. All the prophets of the Bible preached the oneness of GOD & that's the same with Muhammad... Though their style might differ due to difference in audience or followers but they all preached the oneness of GOD which is the most important thing |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:30am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: According to you, God is sending him back again, right? That means he is coming back as a messenger from God again. This means Muhammad is not the last messenger. Morever, Muhammad contradict all the prophets of the Bible, which shows he was never from the same source. This means if you say he is the last messenger, then that it to Allah, not the Hood of the Bible. Salat is a ritual & is to be performed in 1 language to maintain uniformity... It is performed in a language chosen by GOD... Aside salat u can make supplications, give praises pray in ur mother tongue... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:27am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Do they use Yoruba during salat? Their original Language right? Thank you.. How did it become corrupt? Numerous translations omissions & additions |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:26am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Do they use Yoruba during salat? alBHAGDADI: Do they use Yoruba during salat? ... Have you seen the Jews pray? Why do ur pastor's speak in tongues? Why |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:23am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Read link below to see the versions of Quran available. But you Muslims will never discuss such.
https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm All i see here are fabrications & wrong interpretations... The Quran is unique and special it is one all over.. The person tried so much to manipulate his way.. But if u look at the words he cuts their verses differ. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:15am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: So your Allah doesn't understand other languages except arabic.
That makes him limited if I can't pray to him in Yoruba or hausa. No one said u can't pray to GOD in ur own mother tongue.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:13am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You people insult God when you say His words can only be read in arabic. This means He is only for the Arabs. Your Allah has made it difficult for people to come close to him by putting his words in arabic alone. So one will have to go through the stress of learning a new language before he can understand your Allah. In what language was the true gospel of Jesus? In what language was the law of Moses revealed? If u can answer that then u will know that ur above point is baseless... Why did GOD choose only the Jews as at then? We're they d only creation of GOD? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:11am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: You are confusing yourself with this your last prophet and last messenger talk.
You claim Jesus is coming back to set the record straight, which means he is coming with the true message that he is not God. That makes him the last messenger, not Muhammad. It is simple English... Jesus is not a new messenger of GOD, he has been sent to earth b4... Him coming back is not with a new message but to vindicate himself... We calling Muhammad the last & final messenger means there won't be any new messenger with a new message again... I hope u understand |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:43am On Jul 15, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: What's your prove that the Bible has been corrupted? Or you just making baseless statements your Alfa made you believe? How many versions of the Bible do you have in circulation today? The Catholic Bible contains the original forty-six books of the Old Testament, (which includes the seven books of the Apocrypha) and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. The Protestant Bible only includes the thirty-nine books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. Why is this so? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:40am On Jul 15, 2018 |
[quote author=Hamzi423 post=69397022][/quote]1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.... This verse equates true spirit to true prophet... Meaning a false prophet is a false spirit & a true prophet is a true spirit... 1 John 4:2 The spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of GOD... From the Quran verses u listed to prove Jesus superiority over Muhammad proves to you that Muhammad confessed that Jesus is the Christ/messiah... |