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I remember the Snyder fans vs Non Sunder fans wars on this thread around 2016 - 2018. I'm surprised some are still fighting that war and now creating imaginary adversaries in their head

Na me make mistake to engage with an adult who has the iq of a five year old

Hohenheim:
Snyder movies were more matured how?
Because they were supposedly "dark and gritty" lmfao
What exactly was mature about any of Snyder's DCEU movies?
Because Clark let his father die?
Or because superman died in his second movie? Snyder never really had any interesting plot point or character growth so he just Michael Bay'd it up with fight scenes, and don't even get me started on how Batman had no regard for human life? Batman o

Just move on bruh, if you Snyder fans were true fans, seeing the success of both The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker would have had you exited for the future of DC movies under Gunn
But years later you're still doing fanboyism like teenagers instead of just enjoying things.

Relax chief. I'm not here to throw subs with anyone. Someone makes a post and you Gunn's fans are already up in arms. How many times have I posted on this thread to make you think I'm a Synder guy? You want here to be an echo chamber where everyone kneels down and sucks James Gunn? Lol

Yes Synder movies were more matured than your average Superhero film. Yes they were dark and gritty which means they won't appeal to younger people like 7 years old kids. I would say the Synder movies were made for an older audience, at least 16 years upwards.

Synder movies are one of the few CBM where heroes don't live in a vacuum. We see how regular people in the world react to heroes. It took Marvel until Civil War to explore this. Examples The US army didn't even care to know who the bad guy was between Superman and Zod, they just started shooting at everyone in cape.

Superman is also hated for the casualties that happened at battle, he even had to stand trial.

We see people terrified about Batman. Some people think he's an urban legend, while people who have encountered him think his a spawn of the devil.

On Batman himself, the guy is highly damaged. He's an alcoholic who has terrible nightmares (Yeah the nightmares are just to further the plot). He's been fighting crime in Gotham for over 20 years. He's seen people he thought were good turn to bad guys. He's had his Robin slaughtered by the Joker. At this point he's no longer disillusioned that he's a hero. He knows he's a criminal that goes after other criminals.

How many superhero movies have ever explored these themes? Please mention 5 of them for me, or these are not matured movie themes for you?

Also out of all the points I raised you could only criticise one? Do you agree the costumes were deliberately designed to sell Toys? Do you agree having comedy scenes in the middle of a battle like MCU always does makes the battle feel like there are no stakes involved? Do you agree that we don't necessarily need an origin movie for every hero including the lesser known heroes before we see them team up together? This in particular was one of the biggest criticism of the Synderverse. Everyone wanted him to just copy Marvel's template.

Apart from the fights with Thanos. Tell me 5 Superheroe movies where you watched it and truly believed the fate of the world or city it at stake in the battle. Obviously you can't mention because one minute they are fighting, the next minute they are behaving like Tom and Jerry

Early observations from the new DC universe

1. Unlike Snyder's movies that were more matured, we are going back to superheroes for children. Think of the early batman movies.

2. This movie is clearly made for kids. You can see the superheroe costumes look like toys. DC would make bank selling a new set of toys alongside the movies. Win win for them.

3. People criticised Snyder from bringing in Justice League too early. In Gunn's universe, the Justice League already exists. Maybe as at now they're not called the Justice League but we already have images of Hawkgirl and Green Lantern. When people criticised Snyder for bringing in JL too early, I was always confused because there's no one way to build a universe. XMEN didn't need origin stories to build their's.

4. We are clearly going back to the American Hero Superman. This would not be the broody Henry Cavill adoption

5. As this is a kids themed movie, nothing is at stake during battles, unlike in Snyderverse. In the Synder movies when the heroes fight, you know the fate of the world depends on them winning. Check the battle with General Zod in Man Of Steel or even Doomsday in Batman vs Superman. Even though you know the heroes would eventually win, you can feel the gravity of the fight. I see Gunn bringing in unnecessary comedy into fight scenes even with the main villain. It would be like the MCU movies. A fight would be going on and you just can't take it serious because they're still cracking jokes mid-battle. Till today I don't think there's any one-on-one fight in comic book movies as good as Superman vs Zod in Metropolis. It took Superman everything to put Zod down. Even the battle between the US army vs General Zod's henchmen Non and Faora in Smallville was intense as hell. You could see how powerful the Krptonians are

Delacroix6:
Anyone else seen this??

I guess we're back to goofy superheroes. Somewhat like the early Batman movies.

No way you're trying to make a film to be taken seriously and design that costume.