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Kamelot77:
it's very glaring na, lampard new tactics of cross and insha Allah is our major problem. Lampard need to bench giroud

abeg no use laugh kill me, I blame ziyech, all those crosses got to Lampard's head, I remember people hyping that game, you can't be dependent on one pattern

nihilistjnr:
Those stats dont even tell half the picture - 3 of those 4 goals came in EFL..against Barnsley

the 4 times Havertz played 10 in the league, we only won 1 game

So we should continue to play 4231 where Havertz can give us one goal or assist, whilst we concede 3 in return from West Brom and Southampton.

12 points on offer, 9 of those sure on paper.....we only took 6.

Out of the 10 goals we scored in those 4 games, Hvaertz only scored 1.

Out of 10 goals, he only assisted 2.

Yet in those 4 games we conceded 6 goals.

Do the cost-benefit analysis yourself.

only havertz affects the outcome for a game that involves 22 people

Indeed, you ignored the fact that Mendy wasn't in the post when we played Southampton, yet havertz is to be blamed for kepa mistakes

rooftops:
....oga I am not supporting your havertz o..I am surprised you can still support him after yesterday horror

if you drive a Lamborghini in lagos and complain that it doesn't perform well, I will argue that you aren't using it properly hence the poor performance

Ibeme:
Yes, he is a goal machine. This includes production of assists.

overhyped player

Remember kagawa vs hazard

United fans are known to hype nonsense players


A good player can cause envy, if we play united and they have a good player, I would envy such player and wish we had him


Nobody in your entire team, including the academy has made me feel that way, none

Salah has made me feel that way, aguero has made me feel that way even fernandinho has made me feel that way, yaya toure self, the last time united had a player that I can say is good was van Persie, since then oga go and park somewhere

Ibeme:
A goalscoring midfielder never makes excuses.

Frank Lampard never played as an AM in a 4-2-3-1 but in a 4-3-3. When you are a goalscoring midfielder in a 4-3-3, you need no excuses, it will be evident in the runs you make and the goals you score, and your teammates will start adjusting to cover you when you make those runs.

Havertz should do what Lampard did and stop asking for 4-2-3-1 so he can be a passenger.

10 in 4 2 3 1 is the most Important player

He is the link between defense and attack

Passager indeed

kendrick93:
Havertz can also be used in the firmino position, as a false 9..
He's a talented player who hasn't settled in yet, but he also needs the right system to flourish...
Unfortunately for you guys, i don't think Lampard is that good tactically to be able to fit in havertz....
He will flop at chelsea unless Lampard miraculously improves or leaves and chelsea get themselves another coach like a Poch, Rose, or Nagelsman

poch easily has issues with players, I don't want him

So many players up and left spurs for no reason but him

Exhibit A

Case closed

Ibeme:
There is only one team that plays 4-2-3-1 successfully and that is Bayern because they have a goal machine in Muller and he is worth it.

Manure also have a goal machine in Fernandes so they accomodate him there, however I will hardly call them successful.

Man City only started 4-2-3-1 this season after Silva's departure and they sück compared to last season. Barca also only started and they equally sück, fighting mid-table in LaLiga.

If we wanted to go back to redundant formation with a low scoring AM, we would have asked Arsenal to give us Ozil for free. Tell your boy Havertz to show us small ray of light before we can rip up formation to a formation we haven't really played since 15/16 to accommodate him.

did this guy just called Fernandes goal machine?

Wasted my time

nihilistjnr:
See the positions Lampard has played Havertz this season.

How is it different to Leverkusen?

Out of position fire

all the goals and assist came from which position?


Look at what you posted again

Then ask yourself if our arguement isn't valid

Ibeme:
Havertz first season he played DM, second season he played CM.

4-2-3-1 is redundant except you have an exceptionally high scoring AM. Ozil, Mata, Oscar, Dele Alli and co are redundant for that reason.

Havertz needs to show us something in CM before we consider him for a redundant formation. We don't want to be like Manure that will be arguing for 4 years about Pogbas best position only to find out he has irredeemable flaws wherever you play him.

he has never played dm, he is ambidextrous, that's why people say he can play anywhere but he isnt a dm or cm oga

Ok even if he did, which he didnt, Gareth bale played left back, sign him and ask him to play that position since he played that position when he was 17

What position does a player excel at doesnt matter, let's force him to play stupid positions because he played at that position when he was 17

Barca, Bayern, man city all play 4 2 3 1

Only liverpool plays 4 3 3 its because they have those mobile physical players

Honestly dunce plenty when they argue football

rooftops:
Was really shocked when you said he once played DM...as in this same havertz wey no get awareness atall wey Dem dey dribble anyhow

are you minding them, cooking up nonsense in the name of rebuttal

Ibeme:
All these rubbish excuses.

The reason we didn't complain about Havertz price tag is that we were told he can play CM and AM, has played DM and was currently playing RW and even CF.

Now story done get K Leg. A whole Chelsea has to bow down and rip out the way we play, and go back to a redundant 4-2-3-1 formation which died over 5 years ago just to accommodate an EXOTIC LUXURY (in other words passenger)

4-2-3-1 is a dead formation and the reason why Mata, Ozil, even Dele Alli etc don't have a job in football now. And you want to take us back there to accommodate a passenger.

How many goal and assist did he make there in a cheap Bundesliga for us to consider that? Only to find out it's not that much to make it worth it.

GTFOH with this line of reasoning. You people need to produce the Havertz you told us can play DM, CM, AM, RW and CF or go support him on the bench.

havertz has never played deep like this ever

Nobody said that havertz can play DM, he isn't a physical player and 4 2 3 1 isn't redundant, 4 3 3 is redundant

User09:
Well... players are being played out of position to accomodate mount.

This is clearly Lampard's problem

these guys wrote an article about havertz and Chelsea formation

It's very revealing


He is playing deeper for Chelsea and it doesn't suit him


Stupid Lampard can't tell me that he didn't see this article, was posted on bbc November 4


https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54792878?__twitter_impression=true

Greatihex:
unless this guy wakes up one morning and stop being dull in everything and assertive in play, he will never make it here. He will just be blowing hot and cold depending on the opponent.
Na to just dey pray for that kind miracle to happen.




We for just upgrade Mount wage with money wey we use sign this guy. At least we know what Mount offers the team, and he does it with all his might.

mediocrity at its finest, would all the might of a rat move an elephant

Una go dey alright eventually

IamD18:
In a nutshell, Lampard should change his formation because of Harvetz?

because of the team

That team has zero creativity

We now do crosses like united, 4 3 3 doesn't work

IamD18:
Where do you suggest he gets played in a 4-3-3 formation?

why can't we play 4 2 3 1?

We don't have the personnel for 4 3 3

Left for me, I would play someone with kante and allow them marshal the midfield

It worked for Jose because of the physical players he had

Abeg watch this video, he discusses it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw-J11bMvkY

IamD18:
Just give up.

He has failed.


Let's just hope he picks, but for now? Give up and stop making excuses because he'll still flop in the next match and make it hard for you to defend.

if he is played out of position, he wouldn't perform

Until he is played as 10 and flops then you can say that he has failed

A Lamborghini is useless in space, positioning matters

Havertz is an exotic player, he isn't a defender, most quality 10's are useless defensively, give havertz the ball in space and allow him work, stop expecting him to win duels with physicality, its mind that people like that use to win battles


I used most, before some creeps come and start saying nonsense

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2137543-ranking-the-20-best-no-10s-in-world-football-right-now

IamD18:
Fraudvertz is a scam, so are his fans.

They said he was worldclass yesterday, a clip surfaced, they went mute-- Scam!

They said he's creative, a clip surfaced, they switched to "Off-the-ball Playmaker", even Peter Dury can't explain what that means-- Scam!

They said he's bad on the wing, Lampard played him in the middle yesterday, he became worse--Scam.

They said he wasn't on the pitch when we conceded, Nihilist brought out the picture to prove it a lie-- Scam!

Omo eh! Them swear for these Fraudvertz fans?

he played 10 in one game and 8 in another

Be honest to yourself, it's good for your sanity

OJURONGBE1:
You are just talking!
Do you know this same Ross suffered a fractured metatarsal and couldn't play for almost one season at Everton?
You keep making excuses for Kai Havertz but wouldn't see through other footballers.
Your beloved partner in support or your second account even said Covid affected him differently . You guys no go kill person do this thread

oga Ross is not supposed to be in a team like Chelsea

To transcend into world class or be under that class self requires certain attitude, natural talent, technical ability

Ross is a brain fart, RLC is another, technically good but no attitude, mount is the worst, nothing, nothing

Abraham I dey shame for Chelsea that people like that are in the team, go and look at Chelsea teams of the past

With certain players, you have already won before the game begins, did you read Alex Ferguson's book?

He used mediocre players sparingly to assist top players

The guy was a master at using them

User09:
This was my first statement in the thread.

No need to be a troll

that one only cares about standing on the fence and mocking those that are bold enough to express themselves


Cowards like him are plenty here, they don't have thier own opinions, they follow the group that eventually gets vindicated and claim that they always knew

I have collected numerous L's for morata and babayoko and I accept them with no shame

Some people assumed that Ross would come good, today where is he?

Where are they? Silent with L plastered on their foreheads

I'm not trying to convince anyone to see things my way, time will do what time does and either of us will be vindicated

Time always aligns with reason, sentiment means nothing

We are fortunate to always get really good players and somehow we always mess it up, mount and abraham can only win a major trophy as passengers


Imagine Salah, Kdb and hazard in a team, we could have had that

OJURONGBE1:
Crap
Who has played more games for his teams (Derby & Chelsea as compared to Leverkusen & Chelsea)
How many games has that fraud played for Germany national team compared to England?
Keep defending and making excuses for a criminal

even British fans are complaining that he shouldn't be in the national team

OJURONGBE1:
Crap
Who has played more games for his teams (Derby & Chelsea as compared to Leverkusen & Chelsea)
How many games has that fraud played for Germany national team compared to England?
Keep defending and making excuses for a criminal

mount that even British football supporters complained about and told the coach to play other people above him

Nobody asides Chelsea fans regard mount

OJURONGBE1:
Who doesn't criticize Mason Mount when he's out of form?
But the lad always picks up after having bad games. He gives his all for the team.
Guess what, he cost us nothing in transfer fee and his wages is just 50k or so while one German fraud cost us a whopping £75m and earns over £190k in wages

Benz and bettle aren't mates oga

Exonerate1:
Havertz was good when he played as a 10 against Soton

my brother, they wouldn't listen, imagine havertz and mount being the same age and havertz is already far more talented than mount

When I knew we were in trouble was when Chelsea fans were celebrating giroud

That guy would be a fringe player for any serious team, only comes in when they need a goal and it's late in the game


That's who Chelsea fans want as our main striker, una done forget last season so soon

Madness everywhere

User09:
As I said yesterday.

The problem with this Chelsea Team is Lampard's fixation with Mason Mount

Do u guys realise he's actually playing Kai out of position to accommodate Mount. How can u insist on playing a guy who's only had 2 assists in 70 bloody games ( 1 of which was even a corner ) as a 10 while playing Kai as an 8.

No one else in that team gets into the pocket of space Kai gets into or has his creativity. Fine he's been bad since coming back from the virus (infact he had a really bad experience with Covid according to the tabloids so I'm not really worried for him in the long term) he's obviously not gonna get better when u play him out of position.

The team is lacking in creativity, It's shocking. All they do is pass it to Chilwell and James and Inshaallah. Also starting to get concerned for Werner but at least rest him for God's sake

Lampard really needs to do away with his stupid pet project (Mount) and play players in their best position

I have complained tire, its actually a thing

People say that Lampard shows favoritism towards mount, he has even been questioned about it

It's real and its destroying the team

MorataFC:
You will support whoever makes it to the first team from the academy even to the detriment of the team?

I just tire

That's the excuse most people have and I think it has eaten into Lampard, he was praised for integrating young players, try a player and let go, it's very difficult to find a good player from the academy but the sooner you let go and try others the easier it is to find a good one

Look at the kind of goal a player scores, does he use his head or just takes advantage of a situation, that's why even till now I don't mock werner, last time I saw a striker with that kind of determination and Intelligence, it was Costa, abraham always looks fortunate when he scores, it's as if he is just trying his luck

Watch werner goals against Southampton

That isn't an average player

OJURONGBE1:
I know you're a huge fan of Alvaro Morata but don't sugar-coat his failure at Chelsea. He was a big money flop at best.
I have been rooting for Tammy since he picked the No 9 jersey but am having a rethink.
Brother has no technical ability and his goal instinct awareness is very low. He has been given all the support he needed to thrive in his role but game after game he is showing us that he's fit for a mid table team.
I am a life long Chelsea fan and i will support whoever makes it to the first team from the club academy hence my sentiments for those lads.

how many games is fair enough to know if a youth player has no prospect?

Its impossible to calculate, even on FM, a player that was useless that you abandoned and use as spare can grow into an averagely good player

Its technical ability that most people look at to know players that can be very good, if he is naturally technically gifted, with good coaching that player will grow

Abraham isn't technically gifted
Mount isn't technically gifted


This obsession with average players in the name of youth is going to turn us into a mediocre team

Imagine mount getting angry that we signed a player, mount and abraham wouldn't get shirt in any top team, havertz was linked to major teams, he didn't cost that much for no reason, the more something is desired the expensive it is, even at that high price many people agreed that it was a steal, havertz is leagues ahead of mount, even with all that is going on, many top teams will pick him over mount without thinking about it

See united, they got obsessed with youth players and it has bitten into the team, mediocrity everywhere, lingard has always been useless but the fans wouldn't listen, today where is he?

Dele alli is another that I knew was shit but hype hype, where is he today?

Mount will never be world best or play for top teams but havertz can and will

rooftops:
Anything lampard wants to do he should just not play Werner on the wing again. Werner can't beat the first man talkless of additional man on him, he is not a winger at all.
I don't know if anyone noticed James always holding back to drive into the box when there is enough space , he just wants to stay far and whip crosses, could it be him being too careful or he is just too lazy to drive in

he will still play him there, Lampard is naive

MorataFC:
When we talk, them go say "he's our own, he's from our academy"
Let's encourage our homegrown players, to encourage them at the detriment of the team?
James is doing fine in the team but Abraham is a no no no for me.
Can Abraham make the bench of man city, can he make the bench of Liverpool arsenal or totheham?
What baffles me most is that many people who said Morata is not worth to be a Chelsea striker are the ones defending Abraham.
If morata is not worth to be a Chelsea striker then what is Abraham business as a Chelsea striker?
Can real Madrid or ATM or Juventus has him as their striker?

if abraham leaves Chelsea, he will end up in the championship


I saw him at Swansea and Aston villa

He couldn't own that shirt, wonder how people expect him to become Chelsea main man, I thought we bought werner to use as 9

Lampard is just a dunce, he is blaming fatigue for the last 2 games