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aribisala0:
So marrying a 9 year old girl is a Third world issue and not a commandment from Allah? I thought Allah commanded Muslims to marry 9 year old girls

Is it not a sign of the intellectual poverty and depravity of Islam that Paradise is conceptualized in terms of virgins?

A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

I challenge You to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims

aribisala0:
SO in short Muhammid was inspired by the Bible?

Well I do not subscribe to the bible which Muhammid copied

Clearly you do not have the intellectual capacity to defend Islam and the only thing you are programmed to do is to attack the bible

You'll see shege today...

Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

It is certainly the your Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side.

If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should you call it?

aribisala0:
SO in short Muhammid was inspired by the Bible?

Well I do not subscribe to the bible which Muhammid copied

Clearly you do not have the intellectual capacity to defend Islam and the only thing you are programmed to do is to attack the bible

You'll see shege today...

Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

It is certainly the your Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should you call it?

aribisala0:
Egusi soup is prepared with Esusi soup and Ugwu leaves

I am talking about Islam Muhamid
Did he marry a child ? Why

Did Allah send anyone to Black people?
Engage with that and stop talking about Christians

Your only defence of Islam is to attack Jews and Christians

That won't work here because I believe they are all fiction

Do you see how weak Islam is . It cannot be defended without violence
It cannot be defended by civilized discourse

The fact that your own Biblical Prophets married 100s of wives each and fathers used to sell their daughters as slave girls to other men without any age limit makes it extremely possible and probable that several if not many of these wives were little girls between 9 to 13, while the Prophets were MUCH MUCH OLDER than them. If his own grandmother who exited THOUSANDS of years later still married at 12, then what makes it impossible for girls during Biblical times to have married way much older men than them when they were little ones?
Since there is no age limit for the girl to be sold by her own father as a slave girl to another man, WH0 CAN HAVE SEX WITH HER, then I want to ask you here:


Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that
little girls were sold off and married off during
biblical times at very young age to much
much older men (as I proved in Exodus 21:9
above), while making fierce charges against
Islam on Aisha's age?


How old was mary the mother of jesus when she gave birth to him?

aribisala0:
I am not a Christian

Can you not defend Muhammid without talking about Christians
I am not a Christian but all the evidence is that Muhammid married a child. Now you can respond to that without talking to me about Christians.
I do not acknowledge any prophet anywhere

Bible condones 3-year old girls were raped under the command of Moses and his men:

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him. (Number 31:17).
[This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood."

Little wonder why we hear from the media about Priests that are in involved with Pedophilic acts. However, from where these Priests inspire to do such acts? The answer is that they inspire from Bible. Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls

So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.

Let's discuss the age of Aisha being.9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!
First of all, it is important to know:
Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims (lsaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married.

aribisala0:
I do not believe in them either. I am not a Christian or a Jew So why ask me stupid questions

I see you are programmed to attack them by default
I am talking to you about Islam and Muhammid which is based on the previous lies of Judaism and CHristianity that he copied

You running away and lying not been a Chrstian will not stop me from disgracing you today ......

In your fabricated bible...it reads


"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"


The Jews were corrupt! They corrupted the Word of GOD Almighty. Like Jeremiah 8:8, the Noble Quran clearly states it:

"But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others). (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"

No race, color or gender are chosen by GOD Almighty in Islam. Everyone is evaluated by his Good Deeds.

Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"


Arabic is a universal language... nowhere does the quran say An arab is superior to a black or his language is not acceptable...

aribisala0:
I do not believe in them either. I am not a Christian or a Jew So why ask me stupid questions

I see you are programmed to attack them by default
I am talking to you about Islam and Muhammid which is based on the previous lies of Judaism and CHristianity that he copied

The Bible claims that the Jews are GOD's "Chosen People". Yet, neither Moses nor Jesus nor several other Prophets liked the Jews!


Judaism my foot

aribisala0:
You are a perfect ambassador for Islam ; aggressive , violent and fanatical. No surprises
Muhammid copied all the stuff in the Quran from Christian and Jewish sources. Of Course as black Africans we know that the Jewish and Christian sources are Man made so the Quran itself too is fictional

The question I have for funny people like you is simple

Black Africans have been on this planet for tens of thousands of years before Mohammed Jesus and all those so called Messengers in the Middle East . Did Your Allah not send anyone to black People??

Let us examine Sura 14. 4

Can you explain Sura 14. 4
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise

So why are black Africans speaking Arabic like parrots? They cannot worship God unless they speak Arabic that they do not understand?

What language did Jesus and Moses really speak during their ministry?

aribisala0:
You are a perfect ambassador for Islam ; aggressive , violent and fanatical. No surprises
Muhammid copied all the stuff in the Quran from Christian and Jewish sources. Of Course as black Africans we know that the Jewish and Christian sources are Man made so the Quran itself too is fictional

The question I have for funny people like you is simple

Black Africans have been on this planet for tens of thousands of years before Mohammed Jesus and all those so called Messengers in the Middle East . Did Your Allah not send anyone to black People??

Let us examine Sura 14. 4

Can you explain Sura 14. 4
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise

So why are black Africans speaking Arabic like parrots? They cannot worship God unless they speak Arabic that they do not understand?

Lol shameless goat...

Why running away from the topic...

It is a typical sign of disbelief


I'll handle you wella...dnt worry

aribisala0:
I am not a Christian

Tell us what the Quran means or refers to as Injil or Torah

Torah has been corrupted:

“Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will belive in your religion in spite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allaah (the Tawraat), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?” [al-Baqarah 2:75]


So it becomes quite clear that the ways in which the Children of Israel tampered with the Tawraat and Injeel include the following:

Changing
Omitting
Adding things and attributing to Allaah words that He did not say
Misinterpreting the words of Allaah.
When Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sent, the original Tawraat and Injeel had already been altered and distorted. Allaah revealed the Qur’aan to His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and guaranteed that He Himself would preserve it, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]

This distinguishing feature was not found in any Book before the Qur’aan. From the time of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until the present (more than fourteen hundred years) the Qur’aan has stayed the same, and not a single letter of it has been changed, as ancient manuscripts and the hearts of generation after generation of people who have memorized the entire text and earned the title of “haafiz” bear witness.

"How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" Jeremiah 8:8

aribisala0:
I am not a Christian

Tell us what the Quran means or refers to as Injil or Torah

The word Gospel (al-Injil) occurs twelve times in the Qur'ān. In these verses, the Qur'an claims that Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel, and the Qur'ān was revealed to confirm that which was (revealed) before it.

The people of the Gospel have to judge by what Allāh has revealed in it, if they do not, they are not better than those who are transgressors.


Dont get too excited....Again, in the same chapter, al-Mä'idah, the Qur'anic verses criticize Jews and Christians for not having observed the Torah and the Gospel.

If they do not observe the Torah, the Gospel and what was revealed unto Muhammad, they have naught of guidance." Claiming that Muhammad is mentioned in the Torah and in the Gospel," the Qur'ān recounts Jesus saying that he is the messenger who gives the good news of a messenger to come after him, whose name will be Ahmad (the Praised One)."
The Qur'an also reads that there are some common messages between the
Qur ān and the Torah, and between the Qur'ān and the Gospel." The Qur'anic verses in which the words the Torah and the Gospel occur have nothing to do with the issue of the corniption (tahrīf) of the Bible.

The Qur'ān, however, contains many verses in terms of the People of the Scripture, i.e., Jews and Christians and it is necessary that one slhould look over these verses in order to understand the Qur'anic idea on the corruption of the Bible properly.

Qur'anic Verses for the Corruption (Tabrf) Of the Bible In addition te the vey word "corruption" (talurīf), there are some other words and expressions in the Qur'ān that can be associated with the issue of the coITuption of the Bible, such as "change" (tabdil), to distort the words with tongues (layy), to conceal the truth (kitmän). to forget or neglect pait of book (nisyān), to scll revelations (āyāt) of Allāh for a miserable price, to write Scripture with their hands".


The gospel is described as Tahrif (Corruption)
Derived fiom the root "harf" (which meatıs to tip, limit, edge), the word "corruption" (tahrif) literally means "to give a meaning for something which may be interpreted in two ways"" "to change meaning of a word or distort



I hope you are cleared of your doubt?


You follow only conjecture....

aribisala0:
I really do not read all this rubbish because I see you do not use your brain. You just vomit

There is no word of God any where , Not the Torah Not the Gospel not the Quran
They are all man made
The Quran just is the latest lie. The most recent just like you have with Iphone we are now at 12 13 etc

All those stories are for Arabs and Jews .
Nothing to do with Black people but many have been brainwashed

The truth sounds like rubbish to a deaf dumb and blind fellow like you..

You are getting more than you've asked for...


You think you are smart?

Dodging mine and insisting on yours!

Lol i have dealt with your types long ago...

I didn't even start yet...

I must expose and disgrace you hellbound creature

aribisala0:
I am not a Christian

Tell us what the Quran means or refers to as Injil or Torah

Far from being the pure word of God, the Torah that we have today has in fact been tampered with by man.

The Old Testament we have today is a collection of books consisting of the Law, stories of the Prophets and various other writings such as the Psalms. The Hebrew word ‘Torah’ literally means instruction or teaching. It is used by Jews and Christians to refer to the first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy). They believe these were dictated to Moses by God Almighty.

The first problem we must deal with when discussing the Torah is the fact that there are many different versions being used today by Jews and Christians. Here are some examples of texts that contain different versions of the Torah. They are listed in order of oldest surviving manuscript evidence [1]:

Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) – These are a collection of texts discovered between 1946 and 1956 inside caves near the Dead Sea. The texts are of great religious significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of the Old Testament but many are fragmentary. The scrolls date from approximately 150 BCE – 70 CE.
Septuagint (LXX) – This is the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was completed by Jewish scholars in the late 2nd century BCE and the oldest manuscript evidence is the 2nd century BCE. Relatively complete manuscripts of the LXX include the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus of the 4th century CE. These are the oldest surviving nearly-complete manuscripts of the Old Testament in any language.
Masoretic Text (MT) – This is the authoritative Hebrew text of the Old Testament. The oldest extant manuscripts date from around the 9th century CE. This version is favoured by mainstream Judaism.
Samaritan Torah (ST) – This is the Samaritan version of the Torah written in the Samaritan alphabet which is derived from the paleo-Hebrew alphabet used by the Israelite community prior to the Babylonian captivity. The Samaritans represent a sect of Judaism that split off from the mainstream. There are still a few hundred Samaritans living in modern-day Israel. The oldest extant manuscripts date from around the 11th century CE.
The reason why these are classified as different versions, as opposed to different translations, is because there are many thousands of variations that exist between these texts. So how can scholars identify the version of the Torah that is closest to the original Torah given to Moses?



Unfortunately no one knows with certainty which version is the closest to the original Torah given to Moses. The proof of this is the way in which scholars of the Bible construct modern translations. Every modern translation of the Bible is essentially an eclectic translation because it combines from the different versions of the Torah. Sometimes scholars go with manuscripts of the MT, sometimes the LXX and sometimes the ST. By borrowing from the different manuscripts they are essentially creating a new Torah that never existed before!


in many places in the bible Clearly, a third person such as a scribe or chronicler wrote these accounts, and not Moses himself. If Moses had been the writer then we would see the first person narrative being used.

From this we get series of thing the people of the book did.
1. They Changed it.
2. They Altered it
3. They wrote a book and claimed it is from Allah.

aribisala0:
I am not a Christian

Tell us what the Quran means or refers to as Injil or Torah

Was Moses or Muhammad Kinder to Jews ?

Both Prophets allowed Jews to return to Israel after being exiled by pagans.

Both Prophets protected Jews from neighboring pagans

Both Prophets devoted their final days to the enlightenment of the Jews

Although only one of these Prophets displayed tolerance, mercy, and love for the Jews, Muhammad.

Once a Jew came to him and out of mischief, greeted him by saying "As-sam Alaikum" (death to you) instead of As-salamu Alaikum (peace be on you). A'isha with anger, gave a harsh reply. But he stopped her and said, "A'isha! Don’t use harsh words; be polite; God likes mildness in everything."

In short, Muhammad was a perfect model of tolerance and love which he taught through his practical example to the rugged, rough and illiterate people of the desert who, as a result, became the teachers and leaders of the world. His behavior towards people, men or women, rich or poor, adult or child, was the same. He spoke to all with civility and politeness and taught others the same through his personal example. The Qur'an mentions this quality of Muhammad in these words,

"It is by the Mercy of God that you deal gently with them, for if you were severe or fierce of heart, they would have dispersed from you." [Qur'aan 3:159]

The Jews in the days of Muhammad often attempted to assassinate him, discredit him, curse him, and defame him, all the while Prophet Muhammad showed Jews love and mercy.



While on the other hand, Jews who so much as questioned Prophet Moses, were murdered;

250 Levite princesses; of the Jews who challenged the leadership of Moses. "their wives, sons and little children were swallowed up by the ground", then sent a fire to consume the remaining princes. Num. 16:1-40

then another 14,700; Israeli protesters killed by plague who object to Moses about the prior killing of the 250 Jewish princesses. Num 16:41-49.

More of Mose's murderous cruelty towards the Jews here

More of Muhammad's love and mercy towards the Jews here

In conclusion, Muhammad by far was the much more loving and merciful Prophet to the Jews.

aribisala0:
Fanaticism and violence is what we know Islam for so no surprises here
Just answer the questions
What is Injil
What is Torah
According to Islam
The Bible is man made and so is the Quran

The fact that Muhammid copied the Jews and Christians makes him a liar too

Common sense: The Quran tells you that the
Quran came to restore the original message
and remind (Dhikr) you of the original message and it explicitly told you that the previous scriptures are corrupted. So what does that mean?

That means the Quran contains the message of those prophets in this book. It restored the message.
This verse here is clear that you cannot
disbelieve in Allah and his messengers as per
Quran and say we believe some parts of the
Quran and disbelieve in others. In fact that is
what Jews and Christians do when they debate. They both share scripture, but they say I believe
in this and I don't believe in that..

You deny Jesus when you do not follow His teachings,
such as He is the only way to the Father and salvation.
You deny Jesus when you do not make Him the center of
your life. Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah
foretold thousands of years before His arrival (see here)
by numerous Prophets of God. Jesus led a sinless life.
And only Jesus, the Son of the Father is the awaited
Christ and mediator between you and the Father.
Are we who is denying his teachings or are you,
the one who is following a corrupted scripture.
Jesus is NOT and will never be the center of my
life. Allah is and will forever be. Jesus himself
glorified God. That means he wants you to
glorify God, not Jesus.
Would GOD Almighty validate falsehood? Yes. In 2 Samuel 12:7-12, GOD validated and commanded open pornography between David's wives and all men in town in broad day light. See many other examples of GOD Almighty validating and commanding lies in the Bibles.

A plethora of Prophecies in OT and NT that speak about this Prophet to be a Gentile, and will come from the Southern Lands, and from the Lands of Kedar and Teman (all in Saudi Arabia), and the House of GOD will be established in the deserts of Kedar.

aribisala0:
Very long

Just answer the question

What is the Quran referring to as Torah and Injil?

Your answers are inside the writings only if you have open mind and understanding......scrol up read with open mind nd get your answers.....

You are nothing but a blind fellow and falsehood is by its nature bound to perish

aribisala0:
Christianity and Islam come from the same tradition of lies and falsehood
Islam is nothing but the violent delusions of one man who copied stories from Christianity and Judaism


Tell us what the Quran is referring to when it talks of Injil and Torah

All these tricks of changing the subject won't work

I have dealt with professional liars like you years back ...so you cant dodge ny numerous challenges and stil keep asking me absurdity.....answer mine first scrol up and refute ny claims....


Bible says that Jews' from their essence were liars. From their "birth" they were liars the Old Testament declares them. This is another proof that the Bible is full of man-made corruption and fabrications, especially in the Jews' ancient history and stories.

aribisala0:
I don't know I am asking you educate me
Afterall Islam is a religion of peace.
Tell us what the Quran is referring to?

All true divine religions were Islam. However, those who call themselves "Jews" and follow "Judaism" are really people who follow a strict version of Islam that was made special for them. According to Islam, Allah Almighty made the Jews' religion as "burdens and shackles" (7:157).

They were made as chains due to
their transgressions . But some of them are nonetheless are righteous people who will enter Paradise:
"of the people of Moses (i.e., the Jews) there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (The Noble
Quran, 7:159)

"It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein wasguidance and light. By its standard have been judged the
Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to God's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was
entrusted the protection of God's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and
sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge
by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better
than) Unbelievers. (The Noble Quran, 5:44)
"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any
who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness,
shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no
fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 2:62)"
They also do not speak ll about Mary, Isa (Jesus), peace be upon them:


according to the Noble Quran, MOSTJews are evil doers. Some of them however are peaceful and are loved by
Allah Almighty and the Muslims (lsaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more", and will win Paradise insha'Allah (if GOD Almighty is Willing): "But because of their (i.e., the Jews) breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard;
they change the words from their (right). places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring .a few- ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"



You wanna know the jews views about Your Jesus and his mother?


Lets delve into Talmud

aribisala0:
I don't know I am asking you educate me
Afterall Islam is a religion of peace.
Tell us what the Quran is referring to?

Christianity is nothing but a love affair
between Paul and Popea, the high priest's
daughter. The Romans considered Popea to be the most beautiful woman. Yet according to
Ebionite sources, Paul was born to pagan
parents in Tarsus, he later moved to Jerusalem to marry Popea. He converted to Judaism and persecuted the followers of Jesus.
When she refused to marry Paul, he burst into
rage and created "Christianity".

The Ebionites, or Nazarenes, who were the
first Christians, rejected all the Epistles of
Paul and regarded him as an imposter. They
reported, among other things, that he was
originally a pagan; that he came to Jerusalem where he lived some time; and that having a mind to marry the daughter of a high priest, he caused himself to be circumcised. But, that not being able to obtain her, he quarreled with the Jews and wrote against circumcision, and against observing the Sabbath and against all the legal ordinance.

aribisala0:
Good they are fabrications of men just like the Quran The quran copied from those traditions and even tried to claim that they are of Allah

Who said the following words

Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. Quran 5.44

[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; Quran 5.110


So what is the Gospel that the Quran is talking about?

Now where did Muhammid get this story about Jesus talking in the cradle from?

This story of Jesus talking from cradle was flying around Syria before Muhammisd was born but was discredited by the early church. It is clear that Muhammid had access to several stories and compiled them into a story book for Arabs

So the Torah the Quran is talking about is Judaism in your myopic thinking?

You can only lie and deceive yourself....

aribisala0:
Good they are fabrications of men just like the Quran The quran copied from those traditions and even tried to claim that they are of Allah

Who said the following words

Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. Quran 5.44

[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; Quran 5.110


So what is the Gospel that the Quran is talking about?

Now where did Muhammid get this story about Jesus talking in the cradle from?

This story of Jesus talking from cradle was flying around Syria before Muhammisd was born but was discredited by the early church. It is clear that Muhammid had access to several stories and compiled them into a story book for Arabs

So the Torah the Quran is talking about is Judaism in your myopic thinking?

You can only lie and deceive yourself....

aribisala0:
Save your pity for Muhammid

The question is what does Moses have to do with Christianity? Was Moses a Christian?
What is the difference between Christianity and Judaism

Historically, spiritually and scriptures wise ... Xtianity and Judaism are mere fabrications of men....you are not sincere and truthful i would have helped you out...

Thankfully you know deep in your heart that you are lost

Spandau:
Face you! Are you for real? So is it your ghost I have been replying all this while? This programmed dude is irredeemable.

The more you write the more you get exposed and disgraced here....I haven't start anything yet!

Your days are numbered

aribisala0:
No human can stand you? Why? Are you a Jinn? Your sound unhinged.
The issue is simple . Is Christianity the same as Judaism?
Like I already stated I view them as all fictional so I do not take sides

But the Quran recognizes that Christianity is different from Judaism

I asked you do you understand the difference between Christianity and Judaism or is it your position that they are the same.

Jesus said a number of contradictory things . In particular Jesus was against the eye for eye doctrine of Judaism. Jesus did not observe the Sabbath rules fully so bringing a random quote that he came not to abolish the law is ignorant.
Like I said I have read your Quran and Bible cover to cover more than 30 times.
When adherents to both are presented with contradiction you resort to saying it is an allegory or only Allah knows the meaning or Christians say you need the Spirit to understand.

The same Muslims like you that say the new testament has been doctored are now quoting to say that Jesus did not come to abolish the law. Why was he sentenced to death if his teachings were consistent with the law?

Once again What is the difference between Judaism and Christianity? Do you know?

Judaism is ONLY for Hebrew people. It does not admit outsiders. This was a major problem for Arabs and that was why they had to invent their own Monotheism because they had always felt inferior to Jews . Judaism does not seek converts
Essentially what Europeans did with Christianity is what Arabs did with Islam

Islam allows Arabs to continue throwing stones whilst claiming to be Monotheist and Christianity allows Europeans to eat pork whilst claiming to be monotheist alongside other cultural elements like monogamy etc. Also Arabs were freed from the indignity of facing Jerusalem when they prayed and to continue to exploit the business of Mecca as a destination for pilgrims
As an African with sense one should see that both are just adaptations of Judaism to meet cultural differences and nothing to do with black Africans
If you choose to join Arabs in throwing stone just know where that came from

Completely out of context!

Absolute trash...

I pity you

Spandau:
He is intellectually superior to you. He is spiritually more sound too. Too bad you can't take it.

Deaf dumb and blind fellows....I expect you all to combine ur brains and refute my claims...

Stop the empty rants and face me....

Spandau:
Was Moses a Christian? Did Christ Jesus order any killing? Confused thing

And Jesus said...“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."matthew5:17


You'll end up disgracing urself here because no human can stand me....

aribisala0:
Like I said I believe the Bible and Quran are fiction so I do not them seriously. BUT I have s studied both and read both the Quran and bible cover to cover at least 30 times each

Do you know the difference between Christianity and Judaism?
What are the teachings of Judaism that Christians disagree with?
Was Moses a Christian?

At a time in human history, we had those
who used religion, particularly Chrisitianity to justify slave trade and racism. Today, we have many who profess christianity while purveying and justifying hatred and bigotry on scales never seen before.
I am not surprised at human capacity for evil.
The Hutus who share the same language, culture and even religion with the Tutsis purveyed hatred that led to genocide.
May you not be afflicted with lack of reading comprehension so that true light will pierce your mind with very rudimentary understanding.

aribisala0:
I am not a Christian
It seems your app is programmed only to debate Christians. As far as I an concerned Islam and Christianity are like the left and right buttocks we know what is in the middle. Those two religions are among the worst evil that befell the black people in Africa. I repeat the word for emphasis. They are evil. Before they arrived we never had religious killing though Islam takes a greater share.
Imagine what happened in Owo? That is Islam for you

Shameless polytheist trinitarian pagan...bury your head in shame....


Islam has come to stay...

I pity you hellbound creature

aribisala0:
All these were stories of what happened a long time ago very far away. I believe the Quran is fiction and modified stories that were in the traditions written and oral of the Middle Eastern peoples.
Have we finished our own stories before fighting about black stones in Mecca? You believe what you believe based on the part of the world you were born.

You are not a witness to any of this . A rational person would examine different sources including contradictory ones/
If I am to believe in any God it would be the one that my ancestors followed not that of stone throwing peoples with a propensity to irrational violence

Let me put it like this

Your right to believe is not superior to my right to unbelief. As such blasphemy cannot exist . Imagine if an atheist government says no one should praise God in public. If you have the right to assert a God I have a right to deny him,. Why should you have a right to draw red lines if the atheist cannot?

Absolute trash from a dumb mind

aribisala0:
There is nothing like Word of Gord Almighty

No one has seen God Almighty

The Bible is just the myths of Middle Eastern People just like myths of Bayajidda and so on they are fiction. Muhammed knew of these stories and adjusted them for Arabs . That is all there is to it. When he started in Mecca he was facing Jerusalem to pray until he went to Medina and felt humiliated because the Jews there dismissed him as a fraud

Why did he conduct a genocide on the Jews of Banu Qurayzah?

Many Christians are often fond of accusing Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" of committing several honor killings in the name of Islam; they then use this line of argument as a reason to discredit Islam in their eyes. In this article we shall once again turn the table on the Christian showing that honor killings can be found in the Bible, and that the Bible is for honor killings! Hence by their own criteria, Christians will have to abandon their own book.



Let us now see the honor killings in the Bibles:



Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.





So note, if the priests daughter commits a bad sexual act, she is to be burned because of her fathers reputation, because it is against his honor. What will Christian say now? This is one example of honor killing in the Bible, in fact the act is ordered by the Bible itself.



"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"



So here the children are put to death for insulting their parents, this is another example of honor killings, the children are put to death for dis-honoring their very own parents and the punishment is death.



So we have seen 3 examples of honor killings in the Bible, so since Christians always have a problem with honor killings and say Islam is wrong because of some Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" who commit this act, then the Bible is also wrong for allowing honor killings which also makes their own God wrong, and if God is wrong then he cant God because God is always correct. Either way the Christian is in a bad dilemma.

So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see, when its in war it okay? Yet when Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" say the 6th commandment is followed, but in war its different, Christians say nooooo. Either way, The Quran does not say kill women and children, I CHALLENGE ANY CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your Bible, one of your greatest prophets killing women and children by God's permission, meaning Jesus allowed it! So hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and so was Moses so according to the Christians own argument, Moses cannot be a prophet since he killed. Note Moses and his army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not one city which was strong enough in the plural sense, hence up to 6 or 7 cities were destroyed with its women and children? What is the Christian response?

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.



17-18



17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves



What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him tried to migrate from Mecca to the city of Al-Ta'if, the pagans there had their own children throw rocks on the Prophet until his face and body were swollen and bleeding. The Prophet peace be upon him prayed for the people of Al-Ta'if to be Guided to Islam. And ultimately they were Guided and they embraced Islam.



While Prophet Muhammad loved and forgave children for throwing stones at him, the Bible shows ZERO tolerance to even innocent name-calling from children; let alone having them throwing stones!!




Numbers 31:17-18
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

According to the historical elaborations about Numbers 31:17-18 Biblical Verses in the Jewish Talmud, the girls in "every girl who has never slept with a man" were AS YOUNG AS 3 YEARS OLD, and were forced into SEX! See the Talmudic and Biblical proofs and quotes here (Terrorism and Pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls in the Bible).

aribisala0:
Your mouth no big pass my own . All your abuses right back at you and Mujhammid
So what is wrong with polytheism? I am proud of it. Don't you worship Muhammid? You do but do not know that you do
You mention his name anytime you pray . You mumble SAW anytime his name is mentioned. Is that not worship? You murder people in his name . What is that?

What is the origin of stoning Shaitan is it not from the polytheism of Mecca? All the ritualls of Hajj are they not from the polytheism of Mecca?
But Muhammid married a child and then got Allah to release a sura commanding his son to divorce his wife so he could marry her after Muhammid saw her laps and lusted after her

Did Muhammid marry a girl child ? Yes or No?

Muhammid copied the Bible

Many of the stories in the Bible are fiction
The fact that Muhammid reproduced them claiming they were from Allah is telling

I know right now you must feel like beheading me. but that is just impotent rage.

Those with impotent rage will Do as is stated in Sura 3 ; 119

They will P.............

Yes Muhammid was aware of the Bible and the Quran and adjusted it for Arabs. He made it up.. No one revealed anything to him

Verily! this Qur'an guides unto that which is straightest, and gives glad tidings unto the believers who do good works that theirs will be a magnificent reward."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Isra(17):9

birth of Muhammad (pbuh), the Arabian Peninsula was surrounded by a number of great empires. These empires were in a state of constant conflict, waging wars and claiming territories. The boarders of nations were constantly being redrawn, and at times whole nations would crumble under the advancing forces of a more vicious and powerful neighbor. However, in an age when the people of all of these nations had become accustomed to countless rulers, conquerors, philosophies, and religions, throughout all of this, Allah Almighty saw fit to protect the Arabian peninsula from these forces and allow its inhabitants to roam free, with great pride in their freedom, never bowing to man-gods or rulers who claimed to be "incarnations" of mythological gods such as had become the fate of the Persians, the Romans, the Hindus, and many other nations surrounding them. Although steeped in paganism and idol worship, theirs was a simplistic and very basic sort of paganism as compared to the infinitely more complex and multifaceted paganism of the multi-cultured nations surrounding them, their religious philosophies, and their untold rituals.


First, the physical nature of the Stone itself. The Black Stone (al-Hajar al-Aswad) is built into the Ka`abah wall, at the eastern corner of the Ka`abah, about 5 ft. above the ground level, not very far from the door of the Ka`abah. It (now) consists of 3 large pieces and several small fragments (in which it was formerly broken) stuck together and surrounded by a large ring of stone, which in turn is held together by a silver band.


The Black Stone (al-Hajr al-Aswad)

The material of the Black Stone has not been precisely determined. It is sometimes classified as lava and sometimes as basalt. The reason for this difficulty is that its visible surface is worn smooth by hand-touching, etc.1 Its estimated diameter is approximately 12″2. Its colour is reddish black with red and yellow particles.

It is reported that when the Prophet Muhammad(P) entered the city of Makkah as a victorious leader, there were 360 idols around the Ka`abah3. The Prophet(P) then had the Forbidden Sanctuary (the precinct around the Ka`abah proper) cleansed of all these idols and proclaimed Monotheism in its true, most elevated and pristine form. Thus saying that “Muslims worship the Black Stone as an idol” is clearly the most absurd thing ever pronounced in the history of mankind.

From a physical perspective, therefore, the Black Stone does not have any special significance or importance. Umar(R), later to become the second Caliph of Islam, is reported to have said that he fully realized that the Black Stone was merely a stone and thus had no power of its own to harm or benefit anyone4.

As for the reasons as to why we have the Black Stone in the wall of the Ka`abah, we read about the following reasons, that:

(a) it symbolizes the starting-point during the circumambulation of the Ka`abah, thus facilitating the remembrance of the number of circumambulations.
(b) at this point, the Muslims, who are close to the Ka`abah (during their circumambulation) touch the stone, while those who are away from it, raise their hands towards it, symbolizing the renewal of their pledge of allegiance with the Lord of the Ka`abah. In this symbolic expression, the Black Stone is taken as a symbol of an oath on the hand of God.5

And with this, it is clear that this baseless assertion of the Islamophobes is refuted. And only God knows best!


The House/Temple of GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran and the Bibles:

To help the Jewish and Christian reader understand the Islamic way of Worship better, I'd like to first present the following from the Bibles:

Psalm 138:2
I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.

GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.

THE BLACK STONE IS NOT WORSHIPPED BY Muslims They are not objects of worship. They are only part of Allah Almighty's House of Worship.


Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced.

Bible condones 3-year old girls were raped under the command of Moses and his men:

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him. (Number 31:17).