₦airaland Forum

Kewtt:
SA is far ahead with everything elections.... we need to go and colonize that country through illegal and legal mass immigration

If that will help us improve our own system. But they are already chasing us away from every community, so I think they can decipher our plan

Flangelo12:
Now, tell us what the tax regime is.

He will run away. I have been engaging him on that aspect for so long,he refuses to see the connection between low taxes and under development and higher taxes and more citizens' benefits. All he knows is hating Tinubu all day long

Shameless old fool. I hate people like this .

23jerryking:
So our leaders embezzle public funds because we have one of the lowest income tax rates hey?

Look up ,I replied you already

Evilthoughts:
We don't care if they will not want,this is Africa we cannot be dictated to by a minority of countries on our own soil. If they don't want to be part if Africa let them leave the continent for us. Rubbish.

Nobody is dictating to Africa.
Countries are simply protecting what they’ve built. Wanting everyone to lower their standards instead of raising ours is evil.

So Morocco, Egypt, South Africa, Mauritius and Seychelles will just pack Africa into a Ghana-Must-Go bag and relocate by Monday morning.
International relations solved. 👏

isio1:
The natural resources that our country (Nigeria) is blessed with, do they (South Africa) have them in the same measure Why not also compare the corruption rate. If you really want Nigerians to pay 40% tax. If the government can reasonably minimize or wipe out corruption or even reduce government wastages, development can come with even minimal tax. Nigerians are very ready to pay any amount, e.g after the whole noise about fuel subsidy, are Nigerians not paying today?

I understand the anger, and you’re right about one thing: corruption and government waste are Nigeria’s biggest problems.

But natural resources alone don’t translate to development. Countries don’t develop because of what’s in the ground, they develop because of how well the state is funded, managed, and enforced.

South Africa does not have Nigeria’s oil reserves, true. But it has something Nigeria lacks: a broader tax base, stronger compliance, and institutions that actually collect and spend revenue with some level of accountability.

Fighting corruption and increasing tax revenue are not mutually exclusive. In fact, you can’t sustainably fight corruption without adequate funding for institutions, audits, courts, infrastructure, and public services.

The fuel subsidy example proves my point. Nigerians are already paying more, but because the state lacks structure and credibility, the pain feels wasted. The problem is not Nigerians’ willingness to pay—it’s how the money is managed.

Resources don’t build countries—institutions do. Corruption must be tackled, yes, but no country develops on minimal taxes, especially one of 200+ million people. Nigerians aren’t unwilling to pay; they’re unwilling to be robbed. The solution is reform and revenue, not one without the other.
@ brain54 ezmans 23jerryking

I think this answers your posts as well

23jerryking:
The ones we've been paying have we seen any dividends that at least points towards it?
Are snakes not still swallowing money here?

Nigeria has one of the lowest income tax rates in Africa,what were you hoping there would achieve other than low development output🫡. The higher the taxes the more developed the country will be. Morroco, South Africa and other Northern African states are good example of that. The lower the tax rate the worst the country is governed ; Nigeria, Congo ,Burundi etc are testament to that 🫣

If we want the same standards and annual budget South Africa has, are we willing to pay the price they are paying for all the development they have? That's the biggest question. South Africans pay 40% and above in taxation, are ready for that or we just want the beauty and class without paying the price tag for it ? You cannot be this organised and developed without the budget to match the standards. Let's pay the taxes first and complain later if the government doesn't deliver.

MrUnitedstatesA:
He gave Ramaphosa of South Africa this honour in 2022 , the owl lovers are here celebrating as if it's something new or it indicates that the certificate forger has done something Africa had never seen before . We shouldn't be playing second fiddle to any country in Africa with the amount of oil and wealth we have. Our population is 5 times that of South Africa which should signify strength and an abundance of human resources. But we are led by criminals and druglords and kings who are ex-cons,now we celebrate any second or third place even fifth . What an embarrassment by the useless APC and it's followers. A whole giant?

Mr , South Africa is a multi-racial country and a high middle income country and it has millions of indigenous English population who have been living there since the 1800s. So South Africa is a very different African country hence it gets a different treatment globally, that's why they are also heavily criticized when they fail to live up to expectation whilst other African countries who fail or elect dictators ,no one says a thing , the country is held on a different standard in the eyes of those outside Africa. So it's foolish to realistically compare SA and Nigeria on the global stage. Nigeria is the biggest black nation in the world,and that's our advantage and I like that Tinubu is using that wisely these days. We need to use our population as leverage sameway South Africa uses her multi-racislism as leverage. Let's stop whining about what we don't have and use what we have fully and effectively. We are more likely to be seen as an example by most of Africa than South Africa because we have similar demographics,challenges and history to the rest of the continent unlike the south Africans who seem more different and strange to the rest of the continent because their own story is very different and most can't relate. We must use this to win.

Big up Naija. The giant is waking up.

Evilthoughts:
I agree with you. What happened to open boarders and people living anywhere they want in Africa soil? What happened to single currency and one passport ? These people are jokers. Nothing ever good comes from that union of greedy looters .

What you're asking for will never be allowed by a fraction of functioning African states. If you were Morrococan ,South African, Egyptian Or from Seychelles or Mauritius would you want open borders or one African passport when your own passport has more value ? . They will never agree ,so those are just slogans and daydreaming from your part .

OneCandleAway:
Me I am Yoruba. But I grew up among igbos, lovely ones. And I am sympathetic to them. I know there are some overzealous ones whom desperation to make money gets them into wrong choices, but I have chosen not to inherit the hate my parents have for igbos. I want genuine reconciliation, forgiveness for past actions and how we can live peacefully, and with respect for each tribe

Then as an Igbo I'm telling you that we also have a role to play in that forgiveness and reconciliation. We are not just victims of hate and divisions but also perpetrators. There is no Nigerian more innocent or more guilty than the other.. we have all cause harm to one another whether knowingly or not. Everyone deserves peace and forgiveness in Nigeria.

Nothing will come ofthis one like the previous summits. It's all slogans and vibes but no action. I wish this useless organization can be disbanded ,it's too compromised with both the East and West influencing it heavily.

OneCandleAway:
Because if it was something negative their tribe will be the focus.

Until we agree we need to apologize to the igbos for the war, and try to mend the old wounds, we will be divided as a nation and Biafra agitation will not end.

We need to learn from rwanda

I'm Igbo too, but we need to realise that the war affected everyone in Nigeria and for us all to heal ,we cannot afford to put the pain of one group ontop of others. We are creating nothing but suspicion and resentment with your kind of talks. Igbos are owed peace and Igbos owe others peace too. My two cents

This is a good thing? Both giving out money that should be used to better the lives of Nigerians to buy Trump's love and acceptance. So disgusting and embarrassing. This is not the way to go for both groups especially the fg

MrUnitedstatesA:
You're not exposed or smart. Are Nigerian women supposed to lead us, the ones who can't even buy bread for the family without the husband to give her money even if she has her own money? I think you have been living abroad for too long bro.

Nigerian youth can't get into politics because old men blocked the way ,what do you expect them to do,force their way in and get killed by these crooks?.

I don't hate Tinubu because of tribe,I hate him because he is a criminal who is clueless about leading a rich country like Nigeria.

Saudi Arabia and their neighbors produce oil and they are not tax slaves buy their countries work and prosper, why is Nigeria different?

Look at you talking down on your mother who fed you. On your sisters who probably pay for your clothes and hardworking and industrious Nigerian women in general. How can a society function with only one group exerting power,you think that kind of society is desirable,? If so ,when you Japa would you leave for a country that practices what you preach ( treating women like non entities) or will you go to the liberal ones?. There are millions of Nigerian women paying their home bills ,feeding their children and husbands but silently without making any noise.

Nigerian youth aren't blocked by anyone,we are just too selfish to come together without the guarantee that we will get money on positions.
You think the other African countries don't have those old men too,how come they are able to push them aside when need arise?

No,you mention his tribe a lot more than you mention his name, so clearly it's more tribal than performance .
Saudi and them produce more oil than Nigeria and they have far less population, not to mention that they are more homogeneous( Islamic) and Nigeria is diverse .

Mention any other country outside of these outliers that are prosperous without tax ?

MrUnitedstatesA:
Show me an state in Nigeria that has over 70% access to
Water and sanitation
Electricity
Good roads
Quality healthcare
Quality education
Food security
Etc. If you cannot ,just rest abeg.

Let me ask you something first; before APC ( that you clearly faults for the lack of things you want to see) did their predecessors provide for the numbers you asked for ? I'm no ways excusing that APC failed but I'm trying to point out a pattern . None of the administrations in Nigeria will ever give you what you want without you committing first as a citizen. Tax and activitism just like in the countries you wish to copy. You can't have your cake and eat it. You'll have to pay for that infrastructure and get involved in making it happen and maintaining it. Are you willing to go all the way ?

MrUnitedstatesA:
Run away data boy because you failed to show Mr any meaningful projects that will cut across Nigeria and that every Nigerian can enjoy.

So that's not meaningful infrastructure that's a game changer for the affected areas ? See what I mean? You simply can't let go of hate for APC and Tinubu to the point that you can't even see the progress happening before your eyes. Have you visited your state lately ? And where exactly are you from so that I can point out the infrastructural development happening in your own backyard .

Oh you don't say🤣. We didn't even notice .

The African countries with such high rankings, their citizens Pay the highest taxes in Africa. Their youth and women are allowed to participate meanifully in politics. Their youth are not money obsessed but work together regardless of tribe and religion to hold those who govern accountable. Are you ready to let go of your tribal hate of Tinubu for starters. ? Are you ready to question the wrongs of Obi? Are you ready to pay over 40% of your salary to tax ?.

vikithor:
Have heard from tbe supposed users or the beneficiaries of Nigeria embassy in Pretoria, in terms services delivery 🙄
This is pathetic, the Nigeria SA ambassador is almost a non living or existing personality. High up are files of complaints from Nigerians by both SA government officials and SA citizens.
1.public harassment of stereotypes
2.name dropping, name tagging
3.nigerians in detentions,different detention facilities and the inhuman daily torturing, leading to deaths, daily crying out to our Ambassador, to show face,show diplomatic concerns, investigate causes of such incarceration, justice for the innocent, punishment for the guilty,
4.calls and video sent to this office to arouse attention and sympathy of poor surviving conditions of some who are disadvantaged and wants to return home,no response yet
5.very poor diplomatic fellowship with south african counterpart towards fine tuning process procedures,solutions to high xenophobic inclinations
6.providing consulate solutions to documentation charges ,in some unfortunate situation, leading some ignorant nay unsuspecting Nigerian to pay money to wrong hands,because of haste to sort out papers .
7.No periodic meeting with Nigeria citizens in SA meetings to address issues.
8.no social media feedback platforms
9.Emails sent years ago, no acknowledgement nor feedback nor any life or hope of response

What kind of useless arm of Nigeria government representing FG in this foreign land without impact?

https://www.nairaland.com/8182194/everyday-xenophobia-sa-it-still
You went into another man's country with the above opinion of them and thought you'd live in peace with them ? .

You didn't say why is our embassy not addressing the criminality that leads to violence and stereotyping. And since you were trying to sneak in to their country, what exactly do you do over there ? Do you have papers to stay or you want to blame the Nigerian government as well for your poor life choices 😕. What you're going through over there isn't because of the embassy or consulate, it's because of you. You were told on your thread but you chose to be stubborn Mr know it all. Enjoy what you cooked .

I really don't like this man,he is too petty and childish to hold such a position 😒. He has good points but he is too streetwise in voicing them out

Usmanovic95:
Truth be told,you made a valid point.The action the minute mischievous Nigerians only exposes the inefficiencies of our leaders both present and past.The metrics citizens of other countries use in dissing us are only our high poverty rate and poor infrastructure, take these away they will absolutely have nothing to diss us with.If the resources bestowed to this country was well harness omo citizen for other country suppose come dey hustle here like their small London,they won't dare have the courage to throw insults at us.

Those metrics are the exact reason we japa to their countries, so you cannot take them out of the conversation when they make life much easier . And those metrics didn't come easy for them either, they worked hard to have them which we must also do before insulting them unprovoked.

Healthcare
Quality education
Wages
Minimum wage
Quality roads
Welfare system
Etc these don't fly into countries, they elect goof leaders and work for them .
So we should also blame ourselves for electing these criminals

helinues:
Ask those countries in which sector they are doing better than Nigeria. None

They have given up a out the development of their own country, about their own life hence trolling Nigerians that is on the right map

Sport, entertainment, music, global politics, name it we are far ahead of those noisy distant neighbors

There is no country in Africa more globally aligned than South.

Look us up on

Gdp per capita
Healthcare
Education
Tourism
Infrastructural development
Standard of living
Acesss to welfare
Salaries for professional jobs
Etc etc how do we fare better than North, Southern and Eastern counterparts?🙄.

Why don't we take your advice as well and focus on developing Nigeria instead of going around insulting and belittling others and playing victim when they retaliate?

You're a dishonest person ,the vert reason for our poor global image. You're not defending Naija but you're living in fantasy world

helinues:
Btw, we are proud to be begging for help from those who can help us, not like the Sadafricans that you can be robbed, killed attack anytime all in the name of robbery. The great Lucky Dube was killed by petty street robbers

Annoyingly, Nigeria is more safer than their country.

But the sadafricans aren't the ones seeking asylum all over the world running away from insecurity, we are the ones known for that. They are not the ones whose country tourists and migrants avoid ,Nigeria is. Their tourists don't walk around with police escorts but in naija they do. Be honest with yourself for once ,I know you get paid to defend the administration and lie but the truth is out there for all to see

helinues:
Why not relocate to those countries and join them to be attacking Nigeria directly.

Other countries have been trolling Us for no sensible meaning yet this one is talking about we started it

Go on social media and see how Zambian have been attacking us because we are in the same group with them on WAFCON, we started that too

I relocated years ago and not to attack Nigeria but to better my life. And stop lying ,wasn't it not our citizens who started calling Zambian women men and they got mad and came for us 🙄

PulaPower:
How did we start it?

Go back to where this beef started with Namibians. The ishowspeed visit to Namibia where Nigerians started dragging them and they retaliated with brutal blows . We threw the first punch and they started shooting

PulaPower:
Namibia wanting to use Nigeria to gain popularity so bad..

But we started the dragging ,now they are finishing us,why did we feel the need to go after them in the first place? .

Usmanovic95:
Namibia a country that sounds more like a beer brand NAMI BEER con dey diss a whole giant of Africa. Our politicians don make all these small African countries see us finish.

The Nami beer had me laughing so hard 🤣. But honestly it's not our politithifians who go around looking for trouble in other African countries or online dragging other Africans, it's us the availability citizens who bring this ridicule on ourselves . Was there any need for Nigerians to go about belittling the culture and country of these quiet people unprovoked ? Did Tinubu,Atiku or Obi do this ? No. Let's be accountable for our behavior abeg

If you enter between her legs,why will you refuse to help her keep it clean and healthy ?

LordviccoDaGuru:
Check my signature drop ur details is like u are h π ng ® y

Was Buhari your sugar daddy or not ?

We have heard na. Now let them stay off the media

This is very childish of Obi. He could have used another issue to mock or get Tunubus attention. But using a tragic incident that took someone's life to earn cheap political points is distasteful and proves his desperation. So annoying and heartless.