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MrEar:
When you saw that he debated you with proof from the scriptures you decided to run.

Typical behaviour of Jehovah witness.

Oh wow I didn't even know he was JW. That's makes sense now.
They don't deal with bible, just their own opinions.

Thanks for pointing that out brother

MaxInDHouse:
Africans Waking Up To Their True Identity (Israelites)

Yet Israelites are in all nations!.

Thanks for your time!🙂

I keep telling you to read before responding but you're clearly not.
You do know Africans are also scattered in all nations right? This is known history in all sectors.
So when we say Africans, we're not only referring to the Africans living in the land of Africa.
A bit of geography and history will help you understand understand this conversation, but it seems you're still looking with a blind eye.
So perhaps this conversation is not for you.
But I'm sure those with knowledge will be edified and understand this better.

Good luck brother.

MaxInDHouse:
If the Israelites has been scattered among all nations and Jesus is directing his disciples to go and preach to only the Israelites then how come you are saying Africans are the Israelites?🙂

What makes you feel it's only Africa that are true Israelites and not other nations where they have scattered?🙂

I didn't say it's only Africans. There are Israelites in all nations and assimilated in all nations. Israelites in china, india, america, europe, africa etc. They are identified by the curses God said they'd face according to Deuteronomy 28;

Here are some of the curses to identify the israelites.

Deuteronomy 28:15:
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deuteronomy 28:16:
Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

What do you notice in all the ghettos all over the world black people live in?

Deuteronomy 28:33:
The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

What do you notice about all the resources and work we do in Africa, who enjoyed them, us or those that colonized us?

Deuteronomy 28:43:
The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
Deuteronomy 28:44:
He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

What do you notice about all the foreign nations that colonized us and enslaved our brothers overseas, when they come to Africa today, are they not living better than us in business and lifestyle in our own land.?
And we have to rely on loans from them (IMF, World Bank, etc) to even survive?

Deuteronomy 28:32:
Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

What's the biggest slave trade that occurred between the time of Christ and today, Transatlantic (the europeans took us to europe and america, Subsaharan (the arabs took us all over the middle east and north africa) even as Christ prophesied will happen after he goes.
Luke 21:24:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This is how we are scattered through all nations, even history confirms it;
Deuteronomy 28:64:
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Every where you go in the world, you'll find our people suffering the same


Deuteronomy 28:48:
Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in unclothedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

Our food stuffs and even machines we use for food, all the water sources we drink, the clothes we wear, and even as far as the technologies, cars, educational curriculum, and even church doctrine, is it not all from the colonizers?
And did they not put a yoke of iron on our necks until now we live as a destroyed people, bottom of the bottom everywhere we go?

These are signs of what the israelites would go through so if you find a people today who went through them, are they not the same people God is talking to?

Deuteronomy 28:45:
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
Deuteronomy 28:46:
And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

We are the descendants of those who moses warned about the curses that would come on the Israelites.

We like to deny our past and accept the false history they write in the history books about us, but my brother we of the new generation have to educate ourselves.
In the past we were kept from reading and writing, but now because of the mercy God showed us, we have access to all the details.

WE GOTTA READ. There's so much going on in the bible that we need to know so we need to educate ourselves of our history in the bible.

Find out those who these curses have been on and are still on them even to this generation until Christ comes to restore them back.
That's the power of God's word and his prophecies that you can see them in real time.
But you got to read to be educated and you'll understand the current world today, especially the wars and atrocities happening today if you read the prophecies of the endtime.

The word of God is absolute and perfect, it's only when the Europeans took a hold of it during the time of Constantine and the various councils they held to blaspheme God's word as prophesied in Daniel 7 (about the 4th kindgom (Rome, time of Christ's first coming) daniel prophesied about)
Daniel 7:25:
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

After that he went through the world conquering God's people and indoctrinating them and today we have new doctrine that doesn't match the prophesies of God.

My brother, I didn't come here to argue, but i do have to use the scriptures to defend God's words.
Whether we like it or not, our people (The Israelites) will wake up to the truth as prophesied before Christ coming and we'll have to make a decision whether we want to accept it or continue to follow the new age doctrines that have destroyed us as a people.

John 8:32:
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

MaxInDHouse:
If Jesus is talking about only the world of Israel then what does this statement mean?

‭Matthew 28:18-20 NIV‬
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:18-20

Who are the NATIONS Jesus sent them to?🙂

Because the israelites were scattered among all nations through their various captivities;

Deuteronomy 4:27:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

Deuteronomy 28:64:
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Nehemiah 1:8:
Remember, I beseech thee, the word that thou commandedst thy servant Moses, saying, If ye transgress, I will scatter you abroad among the nations:
Isaiah 11:11:
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 11:12:
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


God promised them through the prophets to gather them again from where they are scattered

Ezekiel 11:17:
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
Ezekiel 11:18:
And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
Ezekiel 11:19:
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezekiel 11:20:
That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:24:
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Jeremiah 23:3:
And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.


Christ was prophesied to do the gathering;

Genesis 49:10:
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come ; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

That's why he said this;

Matthew 15:24:
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luke 1:68:
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed[b] his people[/b],
Luke 1:69:
And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Luke 1:70:
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Luke 1:71:
That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

Christ came to save the Israelites from their enemies. Ask yourself, who are the enemies of the Israelites and who hate them??
Psalms 83


He was sent to gather them.

In Acts 2 where Christ told them to tarry to share the Gospel, who were the people they were to teach?
Acts 2:5:
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Acts 5:31:
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to[b] give repentance to Israel[/b], and forgiveness of sins.

The churches the apostles went to in the Acts, and also Paul's letters were the scattered Israelites in those nations;
Acts 17:1:
Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a[b] synagogue of the Jews[/b]:

Romans 9:4:
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Romans 9:5:
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Paul confirms Christ's purpose for coming was for the Isralites

James 1:1:
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

I Peter 1:1:
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the [b]strangers scattered [/b]throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Why do you think everywhere they went, they kept calling them brethren, kinsmen,


So he sent them to preach the gospel to the Israelites scattered through all the nations.

No matter how you spin it, the bible is a book written by Israelites (all the prophets and the apostles were Isralites), about the story of the Isralites (From genesis to revelation), and written to the Israelites (Psalms 147:19-20)



I'd wish you'd read before responding.

MaxInDHouse:
So if Dan is a bonafide son of Jacob but excluded in the Bible book of Revelation that shows God is not referring to Israel in a literal sense rather it's figurative just as God promised to send Elijah before the Christ but it was someone else that did the preparation for Christ in person of John the baptist it can't be Israelites alone that will enter God's Kingdom.

In fact Jesus told the Israelites that God has chosen another nation that is better than the nation of Israel:

This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. Matthew 21:43

The above is the very words of Jesus the only begotten Son of God telling them that God has taken away God's Kingdom from that nation and given it to another nation producing its fruit.

So it's about faithful people throughout the world that God will raise as children for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Matthew 3:9

This nation condemned God's Son and said his blood should come upon their yet unborn generation! Matthew 27:25

Don't be deceived o, salvation is for all faithful people from different nations throughout the world! John 3:16

Bro you don't read. Read Ezekiel 40-48, Dan's land is allocated and Revelations 7 well (it's not talking about inheritance but 144,000 who will be sealed). Stop blaspheming God's promises and making up your own doctrine.
He was literally speaking to a blood line of people, so were the disciples.

You need to read more of the bible to get understanding, stop making up your own doctrines.

Even this your statement, tells me. you don't read the bible;
" just as God promised to send Elijah before the Christ but it was someone else that did the preparation for Christ in person of John the baptist it can't be Israelites alone that will enter God's Kingdom."
Matthew 11:12:
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Matthew 11:13:
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matthew 11:14:
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.


Christ literally confirms John is Elijah. You just don't read and make up your own doctrine. You don't even understand John 3:16.
Read from John 3:1-16 to get that he was talking about the world of Israel

Isaiah 45:17:
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

You take scriptures you dont understand and post them as if it changes God's words. When you take a verse, make sure you've read the entire chapter before you respond.

MaxInDHouse:
Is Dan not a son of Jacob?
What brought Manasseh in when Joseph is already in the list?

Good question. Remember Joseph received a double portion (Manasseh and Ephraim);

Genesis 48:22:
Moreover I have given to thee one portion above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow.

Ezekiel 47:13:
Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.

If you read the Book of Joshua, chapters 13 through 21, you can see how the kingdom was split for the tribes and both manasseh and ephraim for their own portion.
And when you read Ezekiel 40 - 48, you can see how the kingdom of heaven is also going to be demarcated for the same tribes.

And yes Dan is also a son of Jacob. Please read the entire snippet i put before with the scriptures to get the understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
Please do you still remember the names of this twelve tribes?

In the Bible book of Exodus:

Reuʹben, Simʹe·on, Leʹvi, Judah; Isʹsa·char, Zebʹu·lun, Benjamin; Dan, Naphʹta·li; Gad Ashʹer and Joseph. Exodus 1:2-5

In the Bible book of Revelation:

Out of the tribe of Judah 12,000 sealed; out of the tribe of Reuʹben 12,000; out of the tribe of Gad 12,000; 6 out of the tribe of Ashʹer 12,000; out of the tribe of Naphʹta·li 12,000; out of the tribe of Ma·nasʹseh 12,000; 7 out of the tribe of Simʹe·on 12,000; out of the tribe of Leʹvi 12,000; out of the tribe of Isʹsa·char 12,000; 8 out of the tribe of Zebʹu·lun 12,000; out of the tribe of Joseph 12,000; out of the tribe of Benjamin 12,000 sealed Revelation 7:5-8

Can you please tell me why the names in the list differ?

The names don't differ the way you want it, and doesn't change the context;

Revelation 7:5-8 goes into the 144000 of them that will be sealed. The leadership of men who will lead the 12 tribes. These need to be sealed before the end comes.
in here Joseph is mentioned instead of Ephraim, remember Joseph had 2 portions, one for manassah and one for ephriam, where ephraim is the head of the house of Joseph. When you read genesis 48
Genesis 48:19
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

This was the prophesy of Dan;
Amos 8:14:
They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beer–sheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

Dan and Ephraim were heavy into idolatry especially after the split of Israel in 1 kings 12;

But remember revelation 7 goes into the sealing of the 144000, the leaders of the kingdom; in here Levi is also included in the sealing of these men

If you read Ezekiel 48, the prophecy God showed Ezekiel of the demarcation of the kingdom of heaven,
you see the land demarcation of the original tribes
Here you see Levi is not included as prophesied in;
Numbers 18:20
And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land… I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel.

The Land for each tribe in the kingdom of Heaven God showed Ezekiel in Ezekiel 48 is the same as John the revelator saw in revelations;

Revelation of John 21:12:
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:



Revelation of John 1:3:
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
II Timothy 2:15:
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

MaxInDHouse:
When God makes promises it's not to the faithless but faithful so whether you are a descendant of Jacob by birth or not wherever you may come from once you prove to be faithful to the words of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob He will count you as one of the descendants of Jacob but even though you are one of Mary's children but prove faithless to the words of God His promises doesn't include you.

That is what Paul told the Christians in Rome:

Circumcision is, in fact, of benefit only if you practice law; but if you are a transgressor of law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. If, therefore, an uncircumcised person keeps the righteous requirements of the Law, his uncircumcision will be counted as circumcision, will it not?  And the physically uncircumcised person will, by carrying out the Law, judge you who are a transgressor of law despite having its written code and circumcision. For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God not from people. Romans 2:25-29

John the baptist a highly respected first century prophet plainly told the first century Jews that if they proved faithless to the words of God God will raise children from stone for the promises He made to their forefathers and fulfill those promises but as for faithless Jews they will be cast out or destroyed! Matthew 3:9; Luke 3:9

So my friend, God's promises to Israel is not for faithless people but faithful ones no matter where they come from!

This doesn't make sense. the faithful is just the Israelites who are faithful.
In the end of the bible, we clearly see God fulfil his promise to the Israelites by giving them the kingdom as he promised by all the prophets.
Revelation of John 21:12:
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:


I'm sure you're not reading any of the scriptures I posted else you'd get the understanding, but I'll post them here if you'll even read them;

Exodus 11:7:
But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:6:
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Psalms 147:19:
He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
Psalms 147:20:
He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

Amos 3:1:
Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
Amos 3:2:
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Joel 2:27:
And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Matthew 1:21
(21)  And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save **his people** from their sins.

Matthew 2:6
(6)  And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule **my people Israel**.

Matthew 15:24:
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luke 1:68-74
(68)  Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
(69)  And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
(70)  As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
(71)  That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

Acts 5:31
(31)  Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


Romans 3:1:
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Romans 3:2:
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Romans 9:3:
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Romans 9:4:
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Romans 11:1:
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2:
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Romans 11:26:
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.





You see how from the beginning of the bible till the end, the promise never changes. Those who dont learn the bible come up with other doctrines that contradict God's promises. Just as Peter said;
II Peter 3:15:
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
II Peter 3:16:
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.



Get a chance to read more on it here;

https://emanny.notion.site/Who-Are-The-True-Israelites-ebd291dca3ad421ea6cf2335dc9c0b0f?source=copy_link

MaxInDHouse:
The Israelites in ancient times was God's example for mankind but after Jesus the real Israelites are believers in Christ not just Israelites by birth! Romans 2:28-29

So did God lie to them when he said he'll destroy all the nations in the end leaving them to a kingdom without their enemies oppressing them?
Jeremiah 10-11, Isaiah 14:1-2, Isaiah 60 and Isaiah 61

Even Christ said he came for the Israelites only,
Matthew 1:20, Matthew 2:6, Matthew 15:24, Luke 1:68-72

Jew is only stand for the Southern kingdom after the split in 1 Kings 12, the Northern kingdom who became gentiles needed to be reconciled to Israel again so God could fulfil his promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) and his children

MaxInDHouse:
TRUTH about how we got here, why we are here, what caused division among humans and how we can become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally whether you are white yellow or black skinned.
So the issue of Africa Asia or Europe being Israelites is of no use now after all there is no peace among people of any race politics keeps on causing division among people it's only worshipers of the true God that are making peace reign among them today no matter where they come from LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL reign among them {Galatians 5:22-23} so that they neither need weapon nor force to live as brothers all they need is the Bible God's word! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Except at the end of the bible, we see Israel restored and being the only ones in the kingdom of heaven, just like every prophet in the bible including Paul said it'll happen. Romans 9:3-19, Romans 11:1-2, Romans 11:26-27, Revelations 21:12

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is there is no reason to worry over the skin color of Israelites because the Bible has given us all that we need to relate with the true God!

which is?

Flangelo12:

Nothing concern us with Israel.

Except Ethiopians.

not the fake white israel in the land right killing innocent people. that be stolen identity.
but it is what it is. truth dey come out eventually whether we like it or not

These songs speaks about Africans waking up to their true biblical identity as Israelites.
To stop following after the oppressors fake Christianity that have destoyed us as a people for generations
And to return back to the true commandments of the The Most High God and his son Jesus the Christ, the Black Messiah

The song is conscious, historical, and spiritual — not club music.

It touches on:
African history and identity
The Bible as a historical record
Awakening from lies taught over generations
Returning to truth, discipline, and purpose

This is not posted to argue or force beliefs. I’m sharing it for open-minded listeners who enjoy thought-provoking music and are willing to reflect.

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