My point is this...
1-one said the book given to him is lost(was it a written form)
2-one said the injeel (scripture was distorted lol).was it a book written and was distorted or what?)
3-empiree said....once Jesus spoke a word that's gone.and the injeel(scripture is never compiled)
The dicples just recorded some injeel words...



Was the injeel a book,spirit, head knowledge, or something I can't understand

Where is/was the recorded words/deeds of Jesus if at all there was a record?

Empiree said

Abdulhakeem44 said...

Rashduct4luv said...this sir

Let me show you something Empiree....see what your brothers say about injeel to me.if I lied "search it in my THREAD of " my confused question about islam''.......

See the screenshot sir...down

Empiree:
Remember majority o them dont believe him till this day. SO they rejected him. What do you think they would write about him?



But when Isa perceived unbelief on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones. Q3:52


So if today you see a jew who claims to be christian and accept Jesus christ, you better scrutinize him/her very well. He/she has a plan that is neither in favor of christianity and definitely not islam.

But his disciples believed him na? And recorded his injeel teachings na.....or when he died his disciples too died all without doing anything.... Check history no man ever lived that his family and friends don't know about him well....if not all his lifestyle at least the key words he spoke will be remembered by his disciples na....

And concerning Jew...lol we have millions of Jew Christian that lived,died, and some still alive preaching Jesus.we also have Muslim Jews... So what are you saying? If Jew accept Islam u won't ....I know maryam as a Jew so at least if all Jew hate him she won't do that right.....I know paul the convert etc

Empiree:
Are you basing validity of stories of religious Books in order of age?. Is this your methodology?. If so it is wrong methodology

. ...


This question need to be answer also Empiree....Question 1

Informer155:


Look at his(Jesus word) verse 33 " as long as he is alive he remained blessed, prayerful,zakah,and with the scripture (injeel ) given to him.or is it that he forget/didn't use the injeel while living??.... Am just thinking

31 I mean pls

Empiree:
Whats your question?. Injeel of Jesus was simply his message sent to him by God to preach to the people. That's his Book called Injeel. No evidence of compiled injeel in book form. Once Jesus preached a message, that's gone. Some are written down by his disciples. But all these bibles you see today claiming Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. These 4 writers are not disciples. This is why their account of story of Jesus differ amongst themselves (contradictions).

Quran the other hand captured and preserved Jesus message.

"A message sent by God to preach to people... and his disciples heard it... His disciples wrote down some" interesting...

Jesus was a Jew,preaching to them in their ears the words of injeel......was there a formating of brain of his disciples and the people he preached to after he departed? No!! There must be a record of his birth,death,works,lifstyles,words,teachings etc Even Quran and Jesuses disciples recorded some,who are his disciples that recorded the correct words he had said from injeel Were they buried with the words spoken to them by Jesus(from injeel) or continued to share it after his dead? Empiree?

Informer155:


Interesting!.. Allah gave Jesus injeel?OK.when was Jesus given that injeel Empiree?and for what? Where is even the injeel now?....remember that Jesus had lived for 33 years with people on earth before he died! And he was able to talk as early as an infant!..maryam 19:29-32

فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ  ۖ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَنْ كَانَ فِى الْمَهْدِ صَبِيًّا
"So she pointed to him. They said, How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ءَاتٰىنِىَ الْكِتٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّا
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."

وَجَعَلَنِى مُبَارَكًا أَيْنَ مَا كُنْتُ وَأَوْصٰنِى بِالصَّلٰوةِ وَالزَّكٰوةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا
"And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive"

وَبَرًّۢا بِوٰلِدَتِى وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِى جَبَّارًا شَقِيًّا
"And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.".............so tell me more about injeel sir empires!

Look at his(Jesus word) verse 33 " as long as he is alive he remained blessed, prayerful,zakah,and with the scripture (injeel ) given to him.or is it that he forget/didn't use the injeel while living??.... Am just thinking

Empiree:
what's your question, sir?

The questions are just two....

Q1


**The stories I read in Quran about Noah,John,Zacharias, Mary,Jesus etc is so unreal,funny and dramatic compared to the BIble.world believed that Bible existed more than 600 years before Quran.so which story should I believe in? Example:
Allah SWT said:

قَالَ رَبِّ اجْعَل لِّىٓ ءَايَةً  ۚ قَالَ ءَايَتُكَ أَلَّا تُكَلِّمَ النَّاسَ ثَلٰثَ لَيَالٍ سَوِيًّا
"[Zechariah] said, My Lord, make for me a sign. He said, Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, [being] sound."
Maryam 19: 10

"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season." Luke1:20

which one is true between the two? and so many other stories


Q2

**if Jesus in the Quran is a prophet, why don't we do what he says? where can I see his words in the Quran? beside he appeared more than Mohammeds name in the Bible.
.Allah SWT said:

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ءَاتٰىنِىَ الْكِتٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّا
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."
Maryam 19:30.

where are the scriptures given to him(Jesus)?or is it also the Quran? help.....that's all

Empiree:
[Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path." (19:36)



whats your point?



Scripture given to Jesus was Injeel. Injeel is not Bible. Bible is collection of stories written by different men, usually unknown people

Interesting!.. Allah gave Jesus injeel?OK.when was Jesus given that injeel Empiree?and for what? Where is even the injeel now?....remember that Jesus had lived for 33 years with people on earth before he died! And he was able to talk as early as an infant!..maryam 19:29-32

فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ  ۖ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَنْ كَانَ فِى الْمَهْدِ صَبِيًّا
"So she pointed to him. They said, How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ءَاتٰىنِىَ الْكِتٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّا
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."

وَجَعَلَنِى مُبَارَكًا أَيْنَ مَا كُنْتُ وَأَوْصٰنِى بِالصَّلٰوةِ وَالزَّكٰوةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيًّا
"And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive"

وَبَرًّۢا بِوٰلِدَتِى وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِى جَبَّارًا شَقِيًّا
"And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.".............so tell me more about injeel sir empires!

There is only one Holy Qur'an sir, and there are millions versions of Bible........agreed


Now Mr Empires,my questions are from the one and only Holy Qur'an sent from Allah in Mecca........ Can you just answer me great one?

My methodology of thinking about religion can be wrong from yours that's why AM ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN IN YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND TRUE METHODOLOGY SIR........

Let's continue...

budaatum:

So, when you read stories in the Bible "about Noah, John, Zacharias, Mary, Jesus etc", they are so real, not funny and dramatic?

I think your problem is that of believing. You should perhaps aim for understanding instead.

is that your answer as a great budaatum?

Empiree:
no one got angry. Stop being childish and answer my question. I know what I'm talking about. You are asking questions that most likely you know you answers for. All I wanted to know was your true position because I read your comment where answered questions about Islam. So I'm wondering why did you opened this thread and seeking answers after answering questions here on Islam elsewhere?

Is this not you?

you and obiekue2 had problem you got angry and left isn't it sir?.And
if I was ever childish I apologized. also I don't know the answers to that,if you followed our discussion with Ruduct@islam-muslim section I didn't even know why Holy Qur'an use "WE" instead of "I" for Allah,until he clarified me.so you can see my level of ignorance.

and also,I haven't did such comment on any thread,maybe I was trying to say something check it well,and if I truly said that I apologized.

good let's continue.....

Hmmmm OK, since Empiree and co got angry and left. Is there any of my faithful Muslim brother here that can help me?? Your kind answer is very welcome.... I BEG YOU

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
"In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful." Al-Faatiha 1:1

Those are the two important questions I asked sirs.two guys gave me answers......and disappeared when I replied them. Hope you guys won't disappear too

Q2

**if Jesus in the Quran is a prophet, why don't we do what he says? where can I see his words in the Quran? beside he appeared more than Mohammeds name in the Bible.
.Allah SWT said:

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ءَاتٰىنِىَ الْكِتٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّا
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."
Maryam 19:30.

where are the scriptures given to him(Jesus)?or is it also the Quran? help

Q1


**The stories I read in Quran about Noah,John,Zacharias, Mary,Jesus etc is so unreal,funny and dramatic compared to the BIble.world believed that Bible existed more than 600 years before Quran.so which story should I believe in? Example:
Allah SWT said:

قَالَ رَبِّ اجْعَل لِّىٓ ءَايَةً  ۚ قَالَ ءَايَتُكَ أَلَّا تُكَلِّمَ النَّاسَ ثَلٰثَ لَيَالٍ سَوِيًّا
"[Zechariah] said, My Lord, make for me a sign. He said, Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, [being] sound."
Maryam 19: 10

"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season." Luke1:20

which one is true between the two? and so many other stories

Empiree:
I read your first post but I'm trying to understand your point. It just looks like you are talking to yourself, sir.

All the time you are replying you could simply retype your questions one after the other for clarity

OK let me bring it here one by one

Go to:
Religion-Islam Muslim group-my confused question about Islam.... That's all

Ok sir....just search "my confused question about Islam" you'll see the quetions and conversation there....i cant quote you there if not i will do it....pls just search it sir(am not fighting nor arguing)quote author=Empiree post=80980829]We are not here to read questions in form of epistles. You either ask your question (s) plain and clear so we understand where your going or where you are coming from.

So far, you lumped everything together. When you get out of your confusion holla at me again.

[/quote]

Help!

Nairalanders check this peaceful thread-question I asked Islam.non can answer nor continue the discussion, worst is that I was blocked to do anything there.pls search"MY CONFUSED QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM" in Islam Muslim section of religion. Can this guys help
Empiree
True2god
Demmy15
Help me do justice and answer me please!!

AbdulHakeem44:
I will try as little as I know to answer your question

No 1
We preach other teachings of Islam but we emphasize mostly on oneness (tawheed) because without that, all worship without tawheed is a waste, unfortunately many Muslims don't understand the fundamentals of tawheed, so we tend to lay more emphasis on preaching God is one. But if you visit masjid, I mean correct masjid with a good scholar or imam presiding it, there are study circle or gatherings that takes place to tech other aspect of islam

No2

Bible never ever existed 6000 years before QUR'AN. What the Quran reference to as injeel (gospel) is the preaching of Prophet Eesa and not the cumulative books Christians gathered today (books of Moses, David etc called bible). Jesus left about 600 years before the birth of Prophet Muhammad solallahu alaihi wasalam. So ALLāh who revealed injeel to Prophet Eesa (Jesus) is the same who revealed other books to previous prophet is the same ALLāh that revealed Quran to Prophet Muhammad. So we believed in all the prophets and their respective scriptures. So it is our belief that the previous scriptures have been tampered with and the revealer of those scriptures spoke about them in Quran. So we believe the stories in the Quran than the previous one due to distortion that happened to the previous scriptures.

No 3
Quran using we, or rather ALLāh using we to describe himself when he is just One and only without partners, we should understand that is the plural of respect. We have two types of plural, plural of respect and plural of number. Plural of number is what we used when what we described is more than one, while plural of respect is when the subject if the matter is being referred to with respect. Just like in English language when a president says we will do so so so and so or a king says we shall do so so so in our land, whereas he is just one but referring to his majesty self we because of his position. Likewise in Yoruba language, when a Yoruba boy wants to greet anyone elderly man which is just one, he says E kaaro (good morning) instead of him to say o kaaro. The È there is a plural, but plural of respect.

No 4
Jesus was mentioned in the Quran fornus to know he is a prophet of ALLāh and not ALLAH or three in one as Christians do believe not is he a bastard like the belief of the jews. So we believe him as the prophet and messenger of ALLAH, who never died. He was sent to the lost sheep of Istrael and not to the whole world as Christians believe, so it is not incumbent on we muslims to follow his teachings. It was Prophet Muhammad that was sent to the whole mankind. So we believe in Jesus as the prophet of ALLāh but his teachings are for the people of Israel.

No 5

If you have more questions to ask, in shaa ALLāh we are ready to provide answers to clear your misconceptions as long as u do not insult us, our religion and our prophet.

I must also cherish the manner in which you have asked your question, befitting of a sane human being, I really admire that. Well done.

Know that my answers have not done justice to the good questions you have asked, but at least it provides an insight to the answer which you seek.

Number 5 are coming soon.let's do peace Justice to this one first.

for No.3
√√ well said

No 4.
Why should Allah even sent Jesus in the first place to mankind while he knows that the world don't need him. let's read.... Allah SWT said:

قَالَ كَذٰلِكِ قَالَ رَبُّكِ هُوَ عَلَىَّ هَيِّنٌ  ۖ وَلِنَجْعَلَهُۥٓ ءَايَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَرَحْمَةً مِّنَّا  ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرًا مَّقْضِيًّا
"He said, Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "Maryam 19:21

what's is Allah trying to tell Maryam and the whole world? if there are both prophets then they are important to our religion for Allah sent them to us,why then should I chose to obey Abraham and reject Mohammad or why should I obey Jesus and reject Mohammad or why accept Mohammed and reject Jesus(his own prophet)?

Sir Jesus died and resurrected: let's read Allah SWT said:

وَالسَّلٰمُ عَلَىَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدتُّ وَيَوْمَ أَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حَيًّا
"And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." Maryam 19: 33

Any prophet sent from God is for the whole world.I love prophets they all talked about one thing; ONE God,righteous living. But Jesus is different among them all,he is not meant from sperm like others...let's read Allah SWT said:

قَالَتْ أَنّٰى يَكُونُ لِى غُلٰمٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِى بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّا
"She said, How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?

قَالَ كَذٰلِِ قَالَ رَبُّكِ هُوَ عَلَىَّ هَيِّنٌ  ۖ وَلِنَجْعَلَهُۥٓ ءَايَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَرَحْمَةً مِّنَّا  ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرًا مَّقْضِيًّا
"He said, Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' " Maryam 19:20-21

so he is not born(created) of man(sex) but Allah. what a unique prophet! he performed miracle! what a unique prophet. should I dispise such great prophet from Allah and his teachings, lifestyles, words,actions??

No.1
√√well said

No.2
I mean 600 years of Jesus life before prophet Mohammed came not 6000.And its obvious that Torah(old tastement) is older than P.Mohammed, all the incidence happened before his birth and revelation of God.so I think he copied from it or if not the Allah that narrates the stories to him is different from his ancestors (the Israelite whom he talked about Isaac, john, Jesus,etc).also the wrong deeds in the Bible is true but its not of God,that is why they do ask for forgiveness by sacrifice in those days.they stories was recorded both the good and bad aspects in the Bible. Lot is Abrahams brother but Abraham obeyed God,so whosoever did wrong in or outside Bible is wrong.check Bible no sin is accepted by God neither was any true prophet of God found doing that(And if any of his prophets;Abraham, Mohammed is/has done that its an error).that's why Jesus is sinless, pure boy,holy one among all Gods sent saviours.
And the other guy said;Jesus is for Israel lol.then I think Mohammed is for Arab. If God sent Jesus and his teachings to Israel(the Israelite that Quran talked about like Zacharias,Jona,Isaac,Abraham,etc are Jesus followers then not Muslims as Quran said).And how can Jesus preach different from Mohammed to them??.then our God(one God) is not clear.
And also you said;The book given to Jesus,John is lost(originally),does that mean Jesus message is not from the scriptures given to him by God? what is even the content of the book then? can a pure and holy boy,a sign of mercy to mankind disobeyed Allah by talking out of the book? when did he even lost the book,at what age?(remember Jesus died at 33 and was able to speak as infants according to Qur'an)....

[quote author=SokoDobo post=63075014]Islam is about beleiving in One true God, who is the Creator and Sustainer.

God has many names (99) in Islam; Allah is however the most generally used name. If you sincerely pray to Allah to guide you, he will open your heart to the truth. We believe that we are here in this world as a test, those who believe and do righteous deeds will be rewarded in the after life.

It is important to note that Islam, or submitting to the will of God was present since the beginning of time. God wants us to believe in Him without having seen him in this present world, and that's why it's a test of believing in the Unseen.

God sent Prophets/Messengers to humanity to guide them to beleive in Him. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad are all sent by God for that purpose.

Muhammad (pbuh) is the last Prophet/Messenger to the whole of humanity and the Holy Quran is the final revelation.

We believe that all the messengets preached the same message about oneness of God and belief in the unseen.

We also believe that the world we love in will soon come to an end, and there will be a Day of Judgement, where everyone will be resurrected, and God Almighty will judge between us and bring about justice to all the injustices that have taken place in this life.

We also believe that God Almigty is present high above the heavens over His Majestic Throne, and he is All Encompassin, All Knowing, Eternal Being.

We believe in the after life, those who Beleive & work deeds for righteousness for Allah’s sake will be rewarded with the Eternal Paradise. Paradise and Hell are very much real, and are a different realm, which we can pass into only after death and Resurrection.

We believe that those who disbelief in God and the unseen & who do wrong evil deeds, will be punished.

There is nothing to lose in believing in the unseen and acknowledging the existence of the one true God. In fact it gives us peace and true happiness.

We know that nothing good we do will go in vain and there is a reward for everything good.

It takes a simple sentence to accept Islam: it is the shahadah

Ash hadu An laa ilaha illallah ———-There is No God except Allah

wa Ash hadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa rasulahu ———-Prophet Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

It is best to take the shahadah in front of witnesses, Muslims, or in a Mosque.

those who accept the shahadah sincerely, Paradise will be there eternal abode.Well said,but only Jesus can save you sir.Jesus saves!

let me go straight!
(1)Why is it that Muslims can't preach,teach or share(evangelied) what Holy Quran says to people like other religion apart from theory of one God and living good(what of the Torah and gospel).Allah SWT said:

نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتٰبَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنْزَلَ التَّوْرٰىةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ
"He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel." Aal-i-Imraan 3:3. muslims should preach the Torah and gosple of Quran to people from Al-Faatiha to An-nas then.why not?
(2)The stories I read in Quran about Noah,John,Zacharias, Mary,Jesus etc is so unreal,funny and dramatic compared to the BIble.world believed that Bible existed more than 6000 years before Quran so which story should I believe in? Allah SWT said:

قَالَ رَبِّ اجْعَل لِّىٓ ءَايَةً  ۚ قَالَ ءَايَتُكَ أَلَّا تُكَلِّمَ النَّاسَ ثَلٰثَ لَيَالٍ سَوِيًّا
"[Zechariah] said, My Lord, make for me a sign. He said, Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, [being] sound."
Maryam 19: 10

"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season." Luke1:20
which one is true? and so many other stories
(3)Why is Quran using "we"? is God two?or is it God and his angels? or God and who? if he is one and the author of Quran, then I think " I" is the best.or could it be I can't understand? help! Allah SWT said:

يٰيَحْيٰى خُذِ الْكِتٰبَ بِقُوَّةٍ  ۖ وَءَاتَيْنٰهُ الْحُكْمَ صَبِيًّا
"[Allah] said, O John, take the Scripture with determination. And We gave him judgement [while yet] a boy"
Maryam 19:12 .And please which scripture is Allah talking about?is it the Quran that was given to Mohammed or how? help.
(4)if Jesus in the Quran is a prophet, why don't we do what he says? where can I see his words in the Quran? beside he appeared more than Mohammed in the Quran.Allah SWT said:

قَالَ إِنِّى عَبْدُ اللَّهِ ءَاتٰىنِىَ الْكِتٰبَ وَجَعَلَنِى نَبِيًّا
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."
Maryam 19:30. where are the scriptures given to him(Jesus)?or is it also the Quran? help
(5)I have millions of questions to ask but let me pause here.please don't be angry,answer me in a very understanding and peaceful manner I just want to know!! thanks I BEG YOU

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
"In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful."
Al-Faatiha 1:1

Eyami!!!!! so because sombdy slap a lady,we no go sleep again.....how do people think? chai! poverty wicked!