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DaddyCoool:
I actually didn't call you retarded at all. I said I was hoping I was not chatting with a retard. But now I've read this your diatribe maybe I should have gone on all the way and did just that - but I won't because I don't think you're a total ídiot.

All these passive-aggressive pussyfooting you're doing here is just making you appear like even more of an asshole. You were throwing rocks and now you want to hide your hands. Anytime you try to draw distinctions between certain ideas, your lack of nuance and perspective always shines through.

DaddyCoool:
1) How can anything be illogical according to EVERY system of logic?! If we observe an object falling upwards we can develop a system of logic whereby it is normal for some objects to fall upwards!

And it would still be logical, as long as that system of logic is consistent and applicable one way or the other, under our known universe. And that is why scientists are careful throwing about the word "illogical". They would often prefer to use terms like "weird", "odd", "strange", "unconventional", "COUNTERINTUITIVE". You have now come around and established the exact point I've been trying to make to you all this while! 😑

That was why I asked you that question because I knew it would expose how hollow your argument is in the grand scheme of things. So armed with this new knowledge, I hope you'll now reconsider your approach on this topic.

DaddyCoool:
2) I always said QM is illogical from perspective of EVERYDAY logic. So asking if it was illogical according to all the systems is rather stupid. If it were I'd NOT have specified everyday logic!

The fúcking point of the whole thing is that there is literally a system of logic guiding quantum mechanics, and that system has so far been consistent in the field of QM. I have even listed examples where quantum logic has be applied to things in real life. So this statement you made -

DaddyCoool:
It is demonstrating that at core the universe is NOT logical. Objects don't miraculously appear on the other side of a solid they can't pass through

- is inaccurate for the very fact that your classic "everyday" logic is not the only system of logic that exists within the universe.

I have a feeling your entire response is going to be you just catching up with concepts and ideas I've already explained to you ages ago. 🤣

DaddyCoool:
3) i even demonstrated everyday logic with an example - a cat can't be dead and alive at sane time. But in QM logic it can!

Schrodinger's cat is not even a good example of quantum logic, because you can make the argument that it doesn't actually violate classic physics.

When they say the cat can't be dead and alive, they're talking more of probabilities, not actual fact. The cat is in a state of superposition where no one can know what happened to the cat until they open the box and find out for themselves.

So when they say it's dead "and" alive, they're not saying that the two states are fully realized. They're talking more of probability. Just wanted to note that.

There are better examples of quantum logic than Schrodinger's cat.

DaddyCoool:
4) Nothing is illogical from all perspectives. So with respect, your question is stupid

It's the irony of you repeating statements like these that validate my standpoint, while acting like I didn't just expose your ignorance again. 🤣

DaddyCoool:
5) I don't need to be an expert on QM, I only need to know that "spooky action at a distance" or something being both and alive are illogical from perspective of an everyday guy!

You'll need to know more than that for you to make any blanket claims or assertions using QM as your springboard.

DaddyCoool:
6) OF course E=MC² doesn't hold up in all situations - heck it doesn't hold up in QM. But where it does hold up it is deterministic NOT Probalistic

This is starting to get hilarious. You take the points I've already made, tweak them a little to make it sound different and repeat them back to me as if you've not just validated my argument. Yes, E=mc2 is probabilistic in certain areas of application. Welcome to Science 101.

DaddyCoool:
7) You don't have to know anything with absolute precision, but if plug what you do know into the equation it'll give you a definite answer NOT a range of possibilities!

Duh... 🙄

Equations will always give you definitive answers. Applying them in reality is where probability comes in. I already stated this a few responses ago when I said classical physics is deterministic IN THEORY, with special emphasis on THEORY.

DaddyCoool:
8} The margin of error has to do with measurements NOT the equation. If you plug in numbers it'll give you a definite answer. In QM you can't get a definite answer!

You're just splitting hairs with this statement because I don't know what part of equations are deterministic until they're applied in reality (practical) you're failing to get.

DaddyCoool:
9) What weird phenomena has classical physics invented constants for? Was G invented to explain why some objects fall upwards??

1. The screenshot below was Newton's letter to Richard Bentley in 1693 acknowledging the strange or you could even say "spooky" nature of gravity. I put up the link to that site and that's probably why I got banned. But you can read it in the screenshot below.

2. The gravitional constant (G) was introduced for the sake of quantifying the consistent relationship between mass and gravitational attraction.

3. Einstein's General Relativity was able to rationalize gravity as the geometry of spacetime and not just an invisible force pulling bodies from a distance.

DaddyCoool:
10) I don't think you know what "probabilistic" means. It means that even if you know or assume all the parameters and assign them definite numbers, you still can't predict the outcome or get a definite answer!

More episodes of you telling me stuff I already know under the guise of disagreement.

DaddyCoool:
11) You're lying as usual. I never said QM proved anything. I only said it demonstrated that the universe doesn't follow everyday logical patterns at core. - hence it is not far-fetched that our thoughts affect physical reality!

Madam, read your own damn words:

DaddyCoool:
YES!! If you are able to honestly see yourself as totally already that. But it doesn't go by comparison (richest), but that may happen by default. It's a power we just don't use because our brain is wired to believe things have to make sense when in fact the universe is NOT logical at all!😆. Quantum mechanics has proven it!

You've been telling cheap sad lies since we started this discussion, all in your desperate attempt to deflect criticism. You know what you set out to do, when this debate started but as soon as I and LordReed started poking holes in your nonsense, you started chipping away at your own argument without any sense of self-awareness. It's yourself you're deceiving, not me.

DaddyCoool:
12) You have no answer as to why it is logical that the universe has a speed limit - the speed of light!

Since your eye dey pain you to open simple link and read, I'll summarize in a nutshell: If there was a chance that something could travel faster than light, then it would mean that an "effect" to precede its "cause," leading to paradoxes that call the fundamental principles of causality into question. So that's why it's logical for there to be a speed limit.

I await your inevitable twisting which I'm sure will be another episode of you using shallow thinking and ignorance to judge science.

6. QUANTUM RANDOMNESS

Read under the subheading "(a) Early views on quantum randomness"
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2017.0322

Sorry about the messy response. I was trying the avoid cramming everything into one post for fear of getting banned for all my efforts, and I still got banned anyway.

I'll resume when my other account is restored.

5. QUANTUM NONLOCALITY

Read under the subheading "Possibilistic nonlocality"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_nonlocality

4. UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE

LordReed you might want to see this particular one too. I think this is a direct rebuttal to DaddyCoool's original position.

3. SUPERPOSITION

DaddyCoool, this is FiveFootNinja.

I think the spambots are on a rampage because of my links. So I'll just avoid linking them henceforth, there's nothing I can do. I can't keep waiting till tomorrow for the ban to be lifted because I have better things to do. So I'll just keep posting what I wanted with this one, and take a break until the account is restored.

I stopped here
2. QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT