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1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight

This why Christianity is different. This is not the God you can build or study. That is why you are man and God is God

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense

herlecks:
If you read the OP carefully you wouuldn't draw me back again.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

herlecks:
Why not present your supposition by scripture? What is the right path? Three gods of trinity or One God, the Father?

Isaiah 43:10-11 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Colossians 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Since the JW are more blind of this two of my focus, Let me give you a hint of what goes on inside a church.

It is the Holy Spirit that is in charge of a church meeting, His function is to help believers serve God better and to reveal the person of Jesus Christ.
Hence the Lord graces his Minister, His vessel especially when their congregation are large. Often time this may not necessarily mean that the Minister in charge may have no sin or He is upright. The Lord only honor his name in most congregation for the case of those least once who come with guinea desire for God.

Luke 15:4, 7 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

It is the Holy Spirit that is the working power in the church

Acts 8:29, 31, 35, 38 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Hence if you judge a church by a pastor or a Minister incharge in most case, you might miss it.

Matthew 7:21-22 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?~~~~~.

Hence every pastor and minister must watch their standing with God and know that they are only but servants and not be overshadowed with pride, grid, and so on~~~


Thought they ought an example.

So the Lord only honors his name for the sake of those least innocent ounce in the meetings.

So my dear do not be fooled by any pastorpreure or christaindon mindset. Seek God and you will find him.

The Catholic hide under the fake first church or church of Peter or Paul as they call it;

Now the first church start, ~

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

And when it becomes big this is an example of how the meeting looks like, with the Holy Spirit in charge:

1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

The entire chapter looked into the issue of gathering.

Appointing Leaders.

1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

Chapter 3 explain these appointments.


Does the JW and Catholic fits into any of these system?

Charles separated from the wife, I am not even sure he was ordained and any time. Of course He does know God,

The Catholics are even better in few areas,
they do not study in dept to know secrets, so they only go for their meeting believing in God with a sense and common believe as its believed in the area especially Nigeria in Jesus Christ.

Also the Catholics has the inner core and the outer. The later are the every day worshiper may just be dangling or hanging their faith amongst wolves or thorns

Also their blockage is much limited as when their are hit with troubles, they run and fill deliverance prayer houses, if they don't have a charismatic movement around them.

But for the JW, they have much blockage ~~~~ christandon, pastorpreure, and others they teach them or imagin.

But their greatest blockage is the ******knowledge

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Their in no kingdom, no new heaven, new earth ..... outside Jesus for a Christian.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Danosky: The truth of the matter is that we can not speak the same language;


1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Your debate can not save a Soul

Those in Christ are already in the kingdom ~~~

Hence you debate empt msgs, deceiving yourself


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

There is no gospel called "kingdom"

I think it is hitting you real hard; and you may not understand this even more. :

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

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So many waiting for the end of the world
While some are afraid of the end of the world
Some try to predict the end of the world
What then would be the end of the world?
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When you give your life that's the end of the world
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Stop predicting the end of the world
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Christ will come like a thief in the night
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Take a stand, make a choice today
Please make today the end of the world
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Give your life to Jesus
Please make today the end of the world
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There is no msg as the "Kingdom". Accepting Jesus is the kingdom


Luke 23:40, 42-43 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

When I was reading the post display earlier today the Holy Spirit took my attention to a rear area about the JW works and Satanic operations.

Now what the Devil tries to do is fake every work our Lord Jesus Christ came to do on earth.

You will notice that when our Lord Jesus preach here on earth, He preached on the kingdom, notice~ the signs and miracle with it.....

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

And so on~ all through his time on earth.
He talked about his kingdom because He came from there, the forgave sin demonstrating He is God, walked on water to show He is that same Spirit that ~Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,

Now the JW are reversing this same act, their target is Jesus Christ.


NOTICE, after Christ departure, the msg was not the kingdom but believing on our Lord Jesus Christ

Acts 11:20
And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Acts 11:20
And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Acts 17:3
Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 19:13
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

and so on. It was this msg the Apostle, Reformers and other Faithfuls really died for and not "kingdom"

The main focus and purpose of the JW is the kingdom. No JW will come to you with the msg of Jesus Christ because the do not even believe on his redemption work and do not even believe on the born again experience.

Their symbols and works are same as that of the cult world without a denier.

Exchange Lucifer in their philosophy in the place of Lord. So they are building a temple currently in Jerusalem to put their god there to atone for them.

Many JW really desires to serve God but are blind.

The crown symbolism the King that slant cross the surd and the other round symbol same as that in UN symbols. These are load of symbols that may bore you. If you want to study their origin and meaning.

These signs are not far from tattoo in Ramos red spot, and that in the Pope. It is a heart with a stab surd. Meaning a betrayer of Christ and a complete rejection.

These info may help

minister to a priest in a shrine, it is simply empty. Those who troupe in to join you; some want liberty to alcohol, other are tired of others church systems, a majority are the novice with poor spiritual background and so on. Because your system is empty and discrimination has been established by the "Christendom" philosophy when you are hit with challenges you run to seek help in the shrine and other dark places rather than to other churches of the living God. Painful saying these things.

What a contradiction, you go out for your evangelism without believing on the sign, you debate cannot save lost soul or

You are quick to say I am a liar. Let me give a simply hint that you are blind. When you go out for your evangelism each time, and a man confronts you with much question that you see difficult at a time, you go back and ask you college or ask some to accompany you for the debate and if that didnt work, you will ask these questions in your teaching hall. Every time these occur you will consult your books and study more for more debate.

But at no time have you prayed that the Holy Spirit should reveals the truth of these matters to you personally in all these case. For you, you have no personal conviction of the word of God. Your belief in God is a group one, not personal.

All you do each day is simply "debate"

As a believer, what matters most to you are not JW founder, whether he is in a cult or not, or other irrelevant issues, these shows they are using these issues to hide their faithlessness. What is most important for a believer are issues of salvation, the cross, Christ return, Trinity, the great assignment of evangelism, false teaching, bible falsification and so on. If you can not stand to appreciate any of these issue and put your stand and belief on a check. Then forget it. There are others that might be reading and gaining however your opinion may appeal to you; pls allow them.

Find that out yourself, I wouldn't do that for you. I am not an augumentator..... If you can't find it out, it shows you have built the blockage yourself.

The church I attend is not a focus here. What is important for any believer is to get hold of the truth. That will help him to test all spirit, practice and believes of all churches around him.

Knowing why these confusion exist will make you appreciate and tolerate people better, then you will realized that why God kept you here is to test you and to get a prove of the right character He wants to be with him in His new kingdom.

In that case, if the serpent paraventure return by any mean to test and requires the truth of God's word from you, you will be able to defend you faith and salvation, and not fall like Adam.

Tim Challies
The Five Tests of False Doctrine


T.D. Jakes says that God eternally exists in three manifestations, not three persons. Greg Boyd says God knows some aspects of the future, but that other future events are outside of his knowledge. Creflo Dollar says because we are created in the image of God, we are little gods. Mormonism says God revealed new scripture to Joseph Smith that supersedes the Bible. Roman Catholicism says we are justified by faith, but not by faith alone. This world is a murky madness of true and false. For every doctrine we know to be true, there seems to be a hundred pretenders.

No wonder, then, that John tells us to “test the spirits” and Paul says, “test everything” (1 John 4:1, 1 Thessalonians 5:21). It is our sacred responsibility to examine every doctrine to determine if it is true or false. But how can we distinguish sound doctrine from false? How can we distinguish teachers of truth from teachers of error? In our opening article, I said that putting a doctrine to the test is the best way to determine if it is true or false. As we test the doctrine, we learn our responsibility toward it: We either hold to it or we reject it. I am returning to those tests today to explain them in greater detail. They provide a grid that is useful for testing any doctrine.

Test 1: The Test of Origin

The first test is the test of origin. Sound doctrine originates with God; false doctrine originates with someone or something created by God. The Apostle Paul went to great lengths to convince the church in Galatia that the gospel he taught was not his own, but God’s. “For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ” (Galatians 1:11-12). Even Jesus was clear that he taught only what God had instructed him to teach: “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me” (John 7:16). True doctrine originates with the God who is true (Titus 1:2).

It is this simple: Sound teaching originates with God and false teaching originates with men or demons.

Just as true doctrine is marked by its divine origin, false doctrine is marked by its worldly origin. Paul warned the Colossian church to avoid doctrine that is “according to human precepts and teachings” and told Timothy that some would “depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons” (Colossians 2:22, 1 Timothy 4:1). It is this simple: Sound teaching originates with God and false teaching originates with men or demons. When it comes to doctrine, if man made it, then we should not hold it. God is the Father of truth and Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44).

The test: Does this doctrine originate with God or has it been fabricated by someone or something else?

This leaves us with an obvious question: How can we know the origin of a doctrine? Sometimes its origin is obvious, but more often it is not. When we are uncertain, we can turn to our second test.

Test 2: The Test of Authority

The second test is the test of authority. Sound doctrine grounds its authority within the Bible; false doctrine grounds its authority outside the Bible. The Bible is God’s inerrant, infallible, sufficient, complete, and authoritative revelation of himself to humanity. Doctrines that originate in the mind of God are recorded in the Word of God. There is a clear and necessary correlation between origin and authority, between God and his Word.

We can think here of those noble Bereans who “received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so” (Acts 17:11). They knew that all doctrines must be compared to God’s Word, his source of truth. Likewise, Paul praised the Thessalonians for their careful assessment and acceptance of his teaching because they understood its divine authority. “And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers” (1 Thessalonians 2:13). Sound doctrine originates in the mind of God and is recorded in his authoritative self-revelation, the Bible.

The test: Does this doctrine appeal to the Bible for its authority? Or does it appeal to another scripture or another mind?

But a concern remains, because two teachers may both claim the authority of the Bible while teaching very different things. How can we know whose interpretation is correct? This is where we turn to the third test.

Test 3: The Test of Consistency

The third test is the test of consistency. Sound doctrine is consistent with the whole of Scripture; false doctrine is inconsistent with some parts of Scripture. There is a sameness or familiarity to true doctrine and a strangeness or unfamiliarity to false doctrine. The man who wrote the letter to the Hebrews warned his congregation about “diverse and strange teachings,” while Paul warned Timothy about accepting “different doctrine” (Hebrews 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:3, 6:3). Both meant to emphasize that doctrine must always be compared to the established, accepted body of truth. Those who are knowledgeable about that body of truth will be in the best position to immediately identify and refute what is false.

Because there can be no contradiction in the mind of God, there can be no contradiction in the revelation of God.

This is tied to a key theological principle, “the analogy of faith,” which is often explained with the phrase “Scripture interprets Scripture.” If the Bible originates in the infallible mind of God, it must be consistent throughout. Because there can be no contradiction in the mind of God, there can be no contradiction in the revelation of God. What the Bible teaches in one place it cannot refute in another. Therefore, any true doctrine must be consistent with the whole of Scripture. Doctrine must never be treated in isolation, but always in light of a correct understanding of the entire Bible. Too many false teachers isolate verses or ideas that cannot withstand the scrutiny of the whole Book.

The test: Is this doctrine established or refuted by the entirety of Scripture?

Once we have tested doctrine and found it to be true, according to these three criteria, we can also see its soundness by its effects on us and those around us. That requires two more tests.

Test 4: The Test of Spiritual Growth

The fourth test is the test of spiritual growth. Sound doctrine is beneficial for spiritual health; false doctrine leads to spiritual weakness. After instructing Timothy, Paul told him, “If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained [“nourished”] in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed” (1 Timothy 4:6). Timothy had trained himself in the Bible and Christian doctrine. He had nourished himself in the truths he had been exposed to since he was a child. And he had never stopped. Through this continual nourishment, this ongoing dining on the Word of God, he had grown spiritually healthy and strong. He had accumulated a thorough knowledge of God and his Word.  This is why Paul called him a “man of God” with “sincere faith” (1 Timothy 6:11, 2 Timothy 1:5). Timothy’s constant nourishment in sound doctrine from the Word of God made him the man he was.

Sound doctrine makes spiritually healthy, mature, knowledgeable Christians. False doctrine makes spiritually unhealthy, immature, ignorant Christians who may be no Christians at all.

Test 5: The Test of Godly Living

The fifth test is the test of godly living. Sound doctrine has value for godly living, false doctrine leads to ungodly living. Truth never stands on its own, but always has implications in life. Doctrine is always meant to lead to doxology, worship, and purposeful living. “All Scripture is breathed out by God,” says Paul, “and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Scripture is not to be known in an abstract sense, but intimately. It is to inform not only our minds, but our hearts and hands as well.

Truth has not been grasped until it has been lived.

Paul charged Titus to “teach what accords with sound doctrine,” reminding him that such doctrine is “excellent and profitable for people” (3:8, 2:1). “What accords with” sound doctrine is its far-reaching implications, the duties that flow out of it. Thus, sound doctrine has value. It is profitable in teaching us to live as we ought to live. It equips us to do those things that are are good for our neighbor and that bring honor and glory to our God. Truth has not been grasped until it has been lived. Sound doctrine profits us by training us to live in a way that pleases God. False doctrine weakens us by training us to live in a way that dishonors God.

Evaluation: The Determination of Quality

At this point we simply take all of the evidence from the three tests and make a conclusion about the quality of the doctrine in question. Sound doctrine originates with God, is recorded in the Word of God, is consistent with the whole revelation of God, and leads to both spiritual health and godly living. False doctrine originates with men or demons, is foreign to the Word of God, is inconsistent with the whole revelation of God, and leads to spiritual weakness and ungodly living. It must pass all of the tests in order to be sound. If it fails one, it fails all of them. This word “sound” refers to health and appears often in the New Testament. For example, Paul instructed Timothy, “Follow the pattern of the sound [“healthy”] words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus” (2 Timothy 1:13). To Titus he said, “Teach what accords with sound [“healthy”] doctrine” (Titus 2:1).

The task of the doctor is to evaluate a patient to declare him fit or unfit. The patient is fit when his whole body is functioning properly, free of disease. The task of the Christian is to evaluate every doctrine to declare it fit or unfit. John Stott says it characteristically well: “Christian doctrine is healthy in the same way as the human body is healthy. For Christian doctrine resembles the human body. It is a coordinated system consisting of different parts which relate to one another and together constitute a harmonious whole. If therefore our theology is maimed (with bits missing) or diseased (with bits distorted), it is not ‘sound’ or ‘healthy’.” Doctrine that passes the three tests is sound doctrine. It is pure and undefiled, true according to God’s unfailing standard of truth.

The evaluation: Based on the evidence, is this doctrine sound or false?

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


This man read the bible and could not understand because the Holy Spirit wasn't there to interpret what was there in.

Of course He never knew God he was just an argumentation as in his followers till this day.

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

There are only two opposition force in the world and they are light and darkness. You are either filled with the Holy Spirit or you are fill with the Spirit of the devil~(obsession, argumentating spirit, personal pride and egocentrism etc).

2 Kings 17:15
And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.

This are not real CVs.
There are more in the internet different from Prof Veith own findings.

None are by interest or fact, I am just scanning the character and personality the you boost of and defend.

Please search for God and stand for him in this complicated world.

Psalms 118:8
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Jeremiah 17:5
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Take your stand today.

God bless you

After this achievement American now suddenly loved the Lord follwers in abundant and this man writing skill grew the more and books became third most circulated in the world at that time.

"What a mighty God we serve"

The followers afterwards then believe,that this man was sent by God to restore his original mandate.

Took the bible again and started marking out. This No....,this o.; Jesus how dear He be God .....No. Trinity weird..... No, is not right at all. and so on and so forth.

In fact after my death all these correction must be effected or as a matter of fact.

Let me just go through time and reorganize existence and come up with a more befitting bible.

Some few CV of Charles Taze Russell. from evey day net.

The man was a business man, what much "passion" for the work of God.

He is just a church goer, he like debates, he holds person views as well. He associated with an extreme group who want to take God's place to predict rapture. When this group prediction fail after he has sold out his business, expecting rapture. He was offended and seek his own.

He read a copy of the bible and feels Hell ~ Rubbish......

I have a better view.