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Beaf:
I use mainly Visual Studio and notepad.

What are you using notepad for?

Well I believe form building problems are the reasons we have things like WPF, XAML and if you don't mind C++ MFC.

@Dclique
When zain joli first came out, zain lite wasn't working with it. But I don't know if the situation has changed.

Please does zain lite work with zain joli?

Ghenghis:
Copy 'n' paste.
Yeah C# is great, its probably more powerful than Java but there's a pattern known by most scientists and many other disciplines, its called the Golden rule . If you apply this to programming language features we can come to the following conclusions:

Only 20% of a programming language features will account for 80% of written code.

What this helps language designers and programmers do is prioritize and determine which features are most important and where research focus should be placed.

I programmed C# for 2 years, and i almost always had to refer back to the manuals when using delegates.
Its a nice feature but its not better than interfaces, it compliments it. What this means is that there is a right and wrong time to use the feature, how many programmers know this ? How many gunslingers bother to find out when not to use it ?
(There's a tendency for a guy thats good with a hammer to see all problems as nails).

Every Language has a price in terms of complexity and understanding, in my opinion C# is tilting to the complexity side 

As I stated in the original post, features like closures are well implemented in JVM languages like Scala, Groovy. Also, if you're not satisfied with SWT or Swing, you can decide to use qtjambi (qt with qt designer), wx4j etc.

Beaf:
^
You scared to post the URL so we can know what that graph is about?

@Beaf
My Bad! Well that’s your url (from the same website you sited) : http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=c%23%2Cjython%2Cscala&l=&relative=1

IG:
@Ishikawa, I believe this post is a reply to my post "10 Reasons Why .NET is BETTER than Java".
First of all, I gave 10 reasons and you gave only 7 which means you are still down by 3. But let us deal with the 7 you have and see weather they can still stand.
All these came as an after-thought and as a result of the .NET challenge. You see the JVM was originally designed for one languae "JAVA" and all the support for the other languages came from 3rd parties. You cited Jython here, but the creator of Jython created it's .NET version called IronPython and found it to be much faster than Jython.
Short answer: they don't.
Long answer: do a test for .NET and Java compiled at Native speed and compare the results and give yourself an honest answer. You don't have to post the results here.
Very much different. Java's method is very dirty. You have generate some files that only sun microsystems understands  . In .NET you only need to know the signature of the functions you are calling. No need to generate any file or use any tool apart from your compiler.

Almost all Java languages have .NET equivalents. The difference is that the .NET versions are faster.
SWT is as heavy and slow as swing. That's why it didn't get much following.
You will believe it's very large when you never walked out of that community to see the larger world. Unlike java .NET is used to develop some very important components of the linux desktop for some time now.
In most schools QBasic is taught as an introductory programming language. Why?
Is that also an argument in support of Java?

@ IG

1-3. and any other:
           Speed: The last time I checked JVM is mostly faster than Mono. Once the JVM is running, .NET applications run at virtually the same        speed as JVM applications. http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=csharp
4.        What’s the .net alternative for Groovy (a superset of java like C++ is a superset of C). Any superset of the .net languages you can hint me of.
5. SWT is as light and as fast as WinForms. It’s usage statistics is another question.
6. Please recheck your statistics.
7. Error! Or do you you mean Nigerian Primary and Secondary Schools.

You really need to understand my “P.S” in the first post then you’ll understand that it doesn’t matter whether I have 7 or 10 reasons.
Conclusion: Learn “dynamic languages.”

Beaf:
Something tells me you will seriously deslike this graph;

Source; http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=java%2Cc%23%2Cc%2B%2B&relative=1&relative=1

On the contrary I like that information. It further buttresses my point. Also from that site, see this:

@Beaf

Beaf:
@Ishikawa

No point arguing with you. You quite obviously don't have a clue about .NET.

I wonder why the World does not seem to be seeing your reasons? C# set to take Java's crown as Java drops 50 percent, click the link; Java has lost 50% of its users to mainly C# in the past 7 years.

Firstly, I actually know more C# than I know Java. Secondly, what the data simply states is that there has been an increase in SALES of C#, Ruby, php etc. books. Those sales could mean several things. Ironically, Java books still top the sales. Read the comments on the page you referred to. As the page says, dynamic languages are the trend. This is a point I emphasized.

1. In the JVM, you have the choice of using Groovy, JRuby, Scala, Jython with the accompanying advantages of using these powerful multi-paradigm languages.
E.g Groovy includes closures, operator overloading. Groovy has the Grails RAD web framework; For good reasons Twitter uses Scala extensively.

2. Compiled Java bytecode runs at native speed just like the CLI.

3. Calling native code in Java-languages is not much different to calling native code in dotNet

4. All dotNET languages are definitely not richer than all Java languages.

5. Using SWT (with Eclipse et al), you can easily build "native" Windows GUI applications.

6. The amount of applications, frameworks written in Java and the size of the Java community is unbelievably large and not to be overlooked. However Java had a lot of fallout in the Linux community because it wasn't open source for a amazingly (IMHO) long time.

7. In most schools Java is taught as an introductory programming language. But why?

P.S: 'A Is NOT better than B' is not equivalent to 'B Is better than A' just as 'Is NOT white' is not equivalent to 'Is black'

I believe the key is convention over configuration

@all
Thanks for the insightful responses.

I believe struts(1) is definitely not the way to go: too much xml configuration. Spring mvc has a high ranking to me now. I believe it has good web services support too. Anyway are there any Stripes, Wicket, Grails, JBoss Seam or Tapestry users in this parts.

Good IDE support, Eclipse et al, definitely would be a plus.

@candylips.
What is your alternative to Struts?

yawa-ti-de:
In Nigeria? IMHO, if the infrastructure (connectivity, power, etc) remains the way it is now (and what's to say, based on experience that it will change much?), we will probably remain where we are today.

Better yet, any hope for vision 20-2020?

In Nigeria: Definitely in the next 20 years the power situation will have improved. I don't know of connectivity though. ICT will be very profitable by 2020 definitely though. The question is will we leave foreigners to take us to that place.

Hi, nairalanders, I'll really love personal opinions, with reasons as much as possible, on the most developer friendly/productive java web framework

What are the best three (listed from best to better to good) web framework for java ee

speed .net, java is greater than php, python,
That's the reason we have so many php accelerators and also while the authors of python recommend python as a prototyping language. If more speed is needed we use pyrex etc. Nevertheless, you can always add more ram or, in web jargon, more servers etc.

In real life speed is mostly a factor not to consider.

Has any tried checking the site http://cashburners.biz/bigboards/ to confirm. Can't get the site.

PS: First timer