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elampiro: Jesus words have stood for themselves over two thousands years and the Catholic church has never been confused about interpreting them to the world.


When you see church hierarchy at odds with the comments of the Pope, know that the end has come. I hope too you are aware that the Vatican radio stopped broadcasting Pope Francis live after he said Jesus is a sinner for us and we don't seek forgiveness in confession? What they do is to edit his words much later.

elampiro: There is no misunderstanding there. Stop defending lies and Freemanson new age teachings.



Again, Benedict would never have appointed Cardinal Pell to advise him and reform the church. Benedict new that the Catholic church doesn't need a reform.

elampiro: Show me where John Paul II prayed with Babalawos. He entered a mosque doesn't mean he prayed r approve their religion. I never for once said anything bad about Pope John Paul II. Stop saying what you don't know.

elampiro: Meanwhile, see your Pope Francis comment being rejected or reversed by Vatican.


Catholic Church confirms atheists still go to hell, after Pope Francis suggests they might go to heaven

The Vatican has quickly clarified that atheists  - they believe - are still going to hell, despite Pope Francis appearing to say non-believers could be saved through Christ if they do good.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Thomas Rosica said people who know about the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

In an unprepared speech on Wednesday, the Pope emphasised the importance of “doing good,” for all people.

According to a report from Vatican radio, he explained how upset Jesus’ disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good.

He said: “They complain, ‘If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good’. And Jesus corrects them: 'Do not hinder him', he says, 'let him do good.'”

The disciples, he said, “were a little intolerant,” thinking that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.”

He said: “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon. The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation.”

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catholic-church-confirms-atheists-still-go-to-hell-after-pope-francis-suggests-they-might-go-to-heaven-8634479.html

obadiah777: well your mother is not the catholic church. that much i know

elampiro: I will take a decision on that. I bet you, it's not what you think.

However whether I made them public or not, the future will tell. I will remind you right here on nairaland. I guess you are aware that one of the 8 cardinals Francis has chosen to help him reform the church said Adam and Eve didn't exist. This is a tip of the iceberg of what errors will be coming.

elampiro: What did you understand? You want to redefine what is in black and white? I thought the Pope's words should stand for themselves.

elampiro: John Paul II in his 25 years reign never said words that his subordinates in the Vatican had to come and defend.

John Paul II never told unbelievers that they are okay without Jesus

John Paul II never told people that their sins are for Jesus and therefore they are not seeking forgiveness when they confess their sins.

tunapa2009: No. Likewise there is no place where she is interceeding for us. But there is a place where Jesus said "we" (those who believe in His name) can only get to God thru Him(john 14vs6). Jesus didn't dead for some specific people but he died for the sins of all men. It is now left for all men to acknowledge them and come to the throne of Grace to enjoy the benefits of the cross. He gave us the ticket of sonship by his grace (john 1vs12)

tunapa2009: Yes based on this: The second death?? NO(they will not experience this).( Those that already asleep in christ).

RationalDude: Wow! Guess you don't have any response to their comments. You still haven't shown how atheists are inherently bitter by the way.

Ishilove: Btw, what is all these talk about lovepeddlers and what not? I thought Aji apologised?

obadiah777: Ajibam apologized which is a honorable thing to do but he didnt have to apologize because he did not offend anyone...

...someone saying catholicism is occultism is not breaking any rules. it is just someones personal opinion.

obadiah777: you are pushing for another ban right ?

obadiah777: your spiritual mother was not insulted. 'occultism' is not an insult word. learn to study the etymology and meaning of words. you may just save yourself a lot of trouble and headache

obadiah777: 'catholics' are occultic is an opinion

obadiah777: your mother is not the catholic church. you are not a roman. you are a black man.

obadiah777: occultism (əkŭl`tĭzəm), belief in supernatural sciences or powers, such as magic, astrology, alchemy, theosophy, and spiritism, either for the purpose of enlarging man's powers, of protecting him from evil forces, or of predicting the future. All the so-called natural sciences were in a sense occult in their beginnings; most early scientists were considered magicians or sorcerers because of the mystery attending their investigations. In the modern world occultism has centered in small groups that seek to perpetuate secret knowledge and rites alleged to be derived from the ancients. <<<< not a negative word

obadiah777: occultism is not necessarily a negative term. it is a religion. however you are going too far with trying to prove this case of yours and just for the bolded, you are banned for 1 day

obadiah777: if it does not break forum rules. what you posted now is against rules number 2. however someone saying catholicism is occultism is not breaking any rules. it is just someones personal opinion.