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BibleInterpreta:
My friend, you bring up these verses to highlight something very important, an inner contradiction that people often wrestle with when they approach the Bible literally. We are not to see these events as historical records of divine cruelty or favoritism. Rather, these stories are codes, symbols, internal processes within the soul of a person on the spiritual path. Each represents different degrees of the ego that we must correct with the right intention.
Let’s take a deeper look, beyond the literal surface. Yes, these verses talk about war, destruction, killing, even commanded by God.
But who is God? Not a man in the sky issuing military orders. God the Creator is the quality of love (1 John 4:7-8,16); the force of nature, the system of bestowal and correction, a law like gravity, not a personality.
Now let’s reframe the ten “killings” you mentioned. Each enemy, each nation, each war; these represent egoistic desires within the human being. These are the parts of ourselves that separate us from unity, love, and connection. When the Bible says “destroy the Amalekites” or “wipe out the Canaanites,” it is telling the inner Israel, the desire for spiritual connection, to overcome those aspects of the ego that resist transformation with the intention of love.
Let’s go through a few briefly from this perspective:

Our desire is always egoistic, it is the intention that must change.

1. Conquest of Canaan (Deuteronomy 7:2):

Canaan is the desire to receive for the self alone. “Utterly destroy them” means we must cleanse our intention, to transform egoistic desires into altruistic ones.

2. Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:3):

Amalek represents doubt and spiritual sabotage. Not a people, but a force that attacks the desire to rise spiritually. It must be “utterly destroyed” i.e., to be corrected with the right intention, because even a small remnant corrupts the soul’s ascent.

3. Midianites (Numbers 31:17-18):

Midian symbolizes corrupted connections, false unity driven by lust or manipulation. The battle is within: purifying connection from ulterior egoistic motives.

4. Jericho (Joshua 6:21):

The walls of Jericho represent pride and egoism. Blowing the shofar (spiritual awakening) collapses this illusion, and all within must be renewed, hence, “destroyed” (meaning corrected).
5. Ai (Joshua 8:24-26):

Ai shows us that some aspects of ego require patience and strategy to overcome. Once exposed, the ego must be dealt with completely.

6. Philistines (1 Chronicles 14:10):

Philistines represent actions with egoistic intention. “Attack them” means we must go beyond rote behavior to inner transformation.

7. Siege of Jerusalem (2 Kings 25:9):

Jerusalem represents love and unity. Its destruction here symbolizes how far we fall when ego rules. But from ruins, we rebuild, on higher spiritual ground.

8. Assyrian Conquest (Isaiah 10:5-6):

Assyria is the tool of the Creator, used to awaken Israel (the inner desire for spirituality) through suffering, pushing it to correct itself.

9. Fall of Babylon (Jeremiah 51:20-24):

Babylon is the tower of confusion, human egoistic pride in separation. God’s destruction of Babylon is the fall of false unity and birth of true connection.

10. Armageddon (Revelation 16:16):

The final war is not external but within. All desires clash, those aligned with self vs. those aligned with God’s quality of love and unity. Only when this war is resolved do we reach the end of correction (Gmar Tikkun).

So yes, same God in Old and New Testament. But same law, same force guiding us toward unity and love. The difference is not in God, it is in our perception. As we rise spiritually, these “wars” are understood not as bloodshed, but as inner transformations, the correction of egoistic forces within us.
The Bible speaks in the language of man, but points to the language of the soul.
If you take it literally, you see cruelty. If you rise above ego, you see correction. That’s the choice every human must make.

Thank you for sharing your interpretation. I appreciate the reflective tone in which you've approached these challenging scriptural passages. However, I must respectfully disagree with your framework of understanding, particularly the allegorical reinterpretation of historically violent commands as internal psychological processes.

As a Muslim, I believe in upholding the divine origin and coherence of revelation. While I agree that sacred texts contain layers of meaning—moral, spiritual, and metaphysical—this does not negate the historical reality or moral implications of the events they record. Recasting clear historical narratives involving war and destruction as entirely symbolic or internal struggles with the ego raises important theological concerns that deserve a closer, critical look.

You argue that figures such as the Amalekites or Canaanites are not actual people but symbolic representations of egoistic tendencies, and that divine commands to "destroy them" are metaphors for inner transformation. However, such interpretations risk disconnecting the ethical dimension of Scripture from its historical foundation. If the text speaks of events involving real people and communities, transforming these into mere archetypes may undermine both the justice and mercy of God, who, in your reading, appears to command symbolic violence that has historically been taken—and acted upon—as literal.

In Islamic theology, we affirm that God is both transcendent and intimately aware of human affairs—Al-‘Aleem (The All-Knowing), Al-Hakeem (The Wise), and Al-‘Adl (The Just). Commands from God must be understood in their revealed context and interpreted with the ethical standards that God Himself has set. The Qur'an does indeed speak about spiritual struggle (jihad al-nafs), and like you, we affirm that the inner battle against pride, ego, and desire is fundamental. But this is never confused with, nor used to reinterpret, historical events in Scripture. Literal history and spiritual symbolism are not interchangeable categories.

Moreover, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught that guidance must be anchored in hikmah (wisdom), rahmah (mercy), and clarity. Islam does not endorse a view where troubling commands are explained away by abstraction, but instead, we are taught to affirm God's justice in all His decrees, contextualize warfare within strict ethical guidelines, and reject cruelty both in interpretation and application.

To posit that divine commands to annihilate entire populations are actually metaphors for “destroying the ego” risks trivializing the very real suffering historically associated with these verses. Additionally, such interpretations raise a further theological issue: If scriptural language is so allegorical as to mean the opposite of what it says plainly, how can any moral guidance be reliably derived from it?

In contrast, the Qur’an repeatedly reminds humanity that divine speech is mubeen—clear, purposeful, and preserved. While metaphor exists in sacred language, it does not override the apparent meaning unless indicated by the text or prophetic explanation. We are encouraged to reflect deeply, but within the bounds of textual fidelity and divine justice.

In conclusion, while I commend your desire to extract spiritual meaning from Scripture, I cannot agree with a methodology that reduces clear commands and historical events to internal allegory—particularly when such events involve serious moral implications. True spirituality, in my understanding, involves both the purification of the inner self and the ethical integrity of how we interpret and apply divine revelation.

With respect and sincerity,

BibleInterpreta AntiChristian TenQ CreativeOrbit gofh

If you’re genuinely seeking truth, then start by respecting the subject you’re asking about. Don’t come cloaked in fake humility asking for “love and understanding” while repeating overused polemics and ignorant misrepresentations. Let’s tear through your list with logic and without fluff.

1. “What was the message of Jesus the Messiah?”

Let’s correct this from the jump: Yes, Muslims believe Jesus (`Isa), peace be upon him, is the Messiah. But not the messiah in the distorted, church-invented version you were spoon-fed.

His real message was the same as every prophet before and after him: pure monotheism — worship one God and obey His commands. The Injil (Gospel) that was revealed to him was a divine scripture, not the four gospels written decades after him. His mission was not to be worshipped, but to call people back to the Law of God (Matthew 5:17 echoes that, ironically).

So no — Muhammad didn't “preach Jesus’ gospel” because Jesus’ original gospel was the same essence as the Qur’an: La ilaha illa Allah (There is no god but Allah).

2. “Do you honor Muhammad more than Jesus?”

We honor both, but we worship neither — that’s the difference between Islam and Christianity.

Jesus is one of the five greatest prophets in Islam. But Muhammad ﷺ is the final messenger — the one through whom the last and complete revelation was delivered. That doesn’t reduce the honor of Jesus — it clarifies the hierarchy of prophethood based on their roles. If you think honor equals divinity, that’s a problem with your theology, not ours.

3. “Adam was forgiven but cast out — so what was the point of forgiveness?”

Your confusion comes from treating God's forgiveness like a “reset button.” Being forgiven doesn’t erase all consequences — it removes the spiritual penalty, not the worldly effect.

Adam was forgiven — yes — but paradise was never meant to be his eternal home at that point. Earth was always the plan. His fall was not “original sin,” it was a mistake followed by repentance and elevation. Islam rejects the idea that all of mankind is born sinful because of Adam’s mistake — a toxic doctrine that paints God as unjust and man as inherently damned.

4. “Aisha’s age: 9 or older?”

Aisha's age is used obsessively by Islamophobes who don’t care about context, history, or scholarship. Yes, some hadith report she was 9 at consummation — and these are found in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, considered strong sources. However, classical and modern scholars have pointed to other evidence (like her involvement in battles, historical gaps, or statements by her relatives) that suggest a higher age.

But let’s get brutally honest: None of this was controversial until Western morality began to falsely universalize modern standards. In her society, this was normal, dignified, and unchallenged. You don’t get to retroactively impose your lens on 7th century Arabia while ignoring far worse age gaps in Christian Europe’s royal marriages.

And unless you’re ready to apply that same outrage to Solomon, David, or even Mary’s “engagement” to Joseph in your own religious texts, maybe sit this one out.

5. “Did Jesus fail his assignment?”

This is pure ignorance — and no, Muslims do not believe Jesus failed. We believe his mission was interrupted, not failed. His return is part of completing that mission — not bringing new revelation, but affirming Islam, breaking the cross, and killing the false messiah (Dajjal).

Anyone who says “Jesus failed” is either misrepresenting Islam, or parroting half-baked statements. The failure lies in what people did with his message, not the message itself.

6. “Why did God create man according to the Qur’an?”

This one’s easy. Qur’an 51:56 —

> “And I did not create jinn and mankind except to worship Me.”

We were created for submission, worship, and moral responsibility — not to “fall” and then beg for salvation based on inherited sin. We’re here to prove ourselves, to be tested, and to return to our Creator.

You want a purpose? That’s it: Know God, submit to Him, live morally, die with faith.

7. “Why did God send Jesus?”

Because God sent prophets to every nation (Qur’an 16:36). Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel, as a reformer and a prophet, confirming the Torah and bringing the Injil. That’s Qur’an 3:49 and 61:6.

He was never sent to be crucified for sins he didn’t commit. He wasn’t sent to change God's law or start a new religion. He came to call his people to repentance and monotheism. Period.

Closing Note:

You claim to be asking out of ignorance, but the way your questions are framed shows loaded assumptions, subtle insults, and cherry-picked controversies. If you're sincere, fix your tone, read a Qur’an for once, and stop relying on internet polemics.

If you want truth, seek it. If you want to argue, be ready for the weight of a 1400-year-old religion with answers sharper than your questions.

CreativeOrbit AntiChristian TenQ gohf

Let’s deal with your latest display of intellectual hopscotch and shifting goalposts.

First of all, CreativeOrbit and AntiChristian have already addressed your previous points — multiple times — with clarity, but you conveniently ignore what doesn't serve your bias, only to repackage it in slightly different words as if you’re saying something new. That’s not curiosity. That’s willful blindness and rhetorical evasion.

1. “Did the basis for salvation change?”

No — the standard for salvation in Islam has always been the same: Submission to the will of God, through the revelation He provided at the time. You’re trying to create a contradiction that doesn’t exist.

In pre-Islamic times, people were judged based on the truth they received — whether it was the Torah, the Gospel (before distortion), or innate monotheism (fitrah). After the Qur’an was revealed and completed, it became the final and preserved standard. That’s not a shift — that’s progressive revelation, a concept even the Bible acknowledges, unless you plan to argue that Moses and Jesus brought identical legal and spiritual teachings.

And to your next hypothetical:

> “What if someone is righteous and didn’t receive any truth?”

Islam already addressed that. The Prophet Muhammad explicitly said that people who never received the message will be tested by God in a fair way on the Day of Judgment. No one is condemned for ignorance — but no one gets a free pass for rejecting truth once it's clearly delivered either. So spare us the fake moral dilemma.

2. “You may notice I’m ignoring areas you are ignorant about…”

How noble of you to admit to cherry-picking what you want to address. You accuse others of ignorance, but won't engage their actual arguments or citations. That’s not a theological stance — that’s intellectual cowardice.

If you truly think Paul’s letters define Christian truth, you’ve already abandoned what Jesus taught. Paul made contradictions to Jesus on salvation (e.g., faith vs. law), the nature of God, and even ethics. So it’s ironic you now ask:

> “Do Muslims believe and practice what Jesus taught?”

Let’s flip that on you:
Do YOU? Or have you buried Jesus' teachings under a pile of Pauline reinterpretations, Church councils, and creeds Jesus never uttered?

3. “Do Muslims follow Jesus' teachings?”

Yes — more than modern Christians do.

Jesus taught monotheism? So do Muslims.

Jesus prayed to God with his face to the ground? Muslims still do.

Jesus fasted? Muslims fast an entire month.

Jesus forbade worshiping him as God? Muslims obey that too.

Jesus called people to obedience, charity, humility, and prayer? These are pillars in Islam.

In contrast, your theology promotes worship of Jesus, dismisses the law, and relies on Paul's words more than Christ's actual sayings.

So no — you don’t get to ask, “Do you follow Jesus?” when your entire faith structure stands on rejecting what Jesus lived and taught.

Summary:

Don’t pretend to be the gatekeeper of truth when your own position is riddled with inconsistency. If you want to talk theology, bring arguments, not arrogance — and at least do the courtesy of acknowledging when your questions have already been answered.

Until then, stop running in circles and acting like no one sees it.

TenQ gohf AntiChristian CreativeOrbit

😛

Let’s cut through the tired cycle of repetition and move straight to the point. You’ve asked a question that has already been addressed — repeatedly — by CreativeOrbit, AntiChristian, and many others, but it seems like your tactic is to ignore answers that don’t fit your narrative, then pretend the question remains unanswered. That’s intellectual dishonesty, not genuine inquiry.

1. “Will Muhammad submit to the judgment of Jesus the Messiah?”

This question betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of Islamic eschatology, or perhaps a deliberate misrepresentation. The Islamic tradition does not place Jesus as judge over Muhammad, nor does it need to. In Islam, Jesus (`Isa) returns not as a new lawgiver, but as a follower of the final revelation — the Qur’an. And yes, the same Jesus you speak of will rule by the law given to Muhammad — not the other way around.

So to be perfectly clear:
Muhammad is not judged by Jesus. Jesus, when he returns, submits to the Sharia revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him). This isn’t conjecture. It’s explicit in Sahih Muslim, Hadith 155.

What you’re asking is akin to asking, “Will Einstein submit to Newton because they both talked about gravity?” It’s a category error born of ignorance or stubborn refusal to engage with the subject honestly.

2. “No one said Muhammad is another Messiah or a replacement Christ.”

Exactly — because no Muslim ever claimed that Muhammad was a Messiah. You’re attacking a straw man here. Muhammad was the final prophet, not a "Messiah." Islam recognizes only one Messiah — Jesus (`Isa), son of Mary — and yet this Messiah, in Islamic belief, is not divine, not crucified, and not the savior of sins. Instead, he is a prophet who will return, fulfill specific roles, and die a natural death. None of this conflicts with Muhammad’s status as the Seal of the Prophets.

3. “I want a clear explanation as to how Muhammad is the last prophet and not claims or declarations.”

First, it's disingenuous to dismiss theological explanation as "claims or declarations" just because you don’t like the answer. You’re demanding metaphysical truth while selectively applying standards of evidence. So here’s your clear explanation:

The concept of finality in prophethood is inherent in the Islamic theological framework. The Qur’an (33:40) explicitly states:
“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.”
The term Khatam an-Nabiyyin (Seal of the Prophets) is unequivocal and has been understood consistently by scholars — Sunni and Shia alike — for over 1400 years as finality, not continuation.

Historically, no prophet after Muhammad has emerged whose claim to prophethood has withstood scrutiny or received validation by divine signs — in contrast to the centuries-long legacy of validation for prophets from Adam to Jesus.

If you're seeking a "scientific" or empirical demonstration of Muhammad's finality, you're fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of religious claims — especially ones rooted in revelation.

Summary:
You’re not asking to understand. You’re asking to entrap, assuming Muslims have no theological depth or consistency. But the reality is: your objections have been addressed, publicly and repeatedly. Repeating your questions doesn’t expose Islam’s weakness — it exposes your unwillingness to engage with the answers.

Now either deal with the answers you’ve been given, or stop pretending the question remains open.

TenQ gohf AntiChristian CreativeOrbit

How can justice be served when the key witnesses in a defamation case are a wanted ex-governor and a figure with a history of fraud allegations?

This isn’t accountability—it’s political theatre.

The Nigerian people see through the script.

Thank you for raising these critical concerns with such clarity. The apparent weaponization of state institutions in what should remain a legislative disagreement is deeply troubling.

The executive arm’s involvement in a personal dispute between two senators not only undermines the principle of separation of powers but also erodes public trust in the impartiality of governance. If justice is to be upheld, it must be applied evenly, not selectively.

The questions posed are valid and deserving of transparent answers. Our democracy cannot thrive where dissent is punished and state power is used as a tool of intimidation.

xjiggy:
I can see where the problem lies. You're trying desperately to be clever by half..... which is quite unfortunate. I do not have the the time for unproductive arguments. So brother, I rest my case and wish you well

Your response is noted, though dismissive. Resorting to ad hominem remarks like 'trying to be clever by half' is not a substitute for engaging with the actual points raised. If the discussion were truly unproductive, it would have been more constructive to address where it lacked merit rather than retreat with vague insinuations.

Resting your case without responding to the substance suggests either a lack of counter-argument or an unwillingness to engage further, which is your prerogative. However, don’t mistake disengagement for resolution, and certainly not for intellectual victory.

Nonetheless, I appreciate the exchange thus far and genuinely wish you clarity in thought and conviction in pursuit of the truth.

xjiggy:
Who made you judge and jury over my line of thought? So all this write up because you lack comprehension. How does my opinion become facts or conclusions. Do you have access to the said files and documents you listed? Have we not seen these politicians and elites suing people for billions in trivia cases? Your statements about blackmail and calling people "criminal elements " when you're not privy to the whole situation shows your bias. Since you're the Legal luminary and juggernaut, you should know that everything in the petition is "alleged" until proven true. Do have a great day

Your outburst is a poor substitute for reason, so let’s cut through the emotional noise and get to the substance you’ve clearly avoided:

1. “Who made you judge and jury?”
No one needs to “appoint” me anything to respond to flawed reasoning in a public space. If you make bold claims, expect bold responses. You don’t get to toss opinions into the public arena and then whine when they’re dissected. That’s not how rational discourse works—that’s how echo chambers are built.

2. “All this write-up because you lack comprehension?”
If that’s the best you can offer in defense of your claims, then the weakness isn’t in my comprehension—it’s in your articulation. Baseless insults don’t mask the fact that you’ve failed to present a single coherent rebuttal. You haven’t pointed out what I misunderstood—because you can’t.

3. “How does my opinion become facts?”
When your opinion is delivered with the force and finality of a verdict—without evidence—it invites challenge. That’s what I did: challenge the logic, question the assumptions, and highlight the inconsistencies. If you can’t differentiate between personal opinion and public rhetoric, then perhaps it’s time to rethink how you frame your statements.

4. “Do you have access to the files and documents?”
Do you? Highly doubtful. You’re speculating from a distance like the rest of us. The only difference is that I build my views on existing facts, patterns, and precedents—not emotional appeals and vague suspicions. If you have something concrete to offer, by all means, share it. If not, the question is irrelevant.

5. “Elites sue over trivia”
Yes, they do. And sometimes they sue because they have something to hide. That possibility exists too—conveniently ignored in your logic. Throwing out generalities as if they invalidate specific circumstances is intellectually lazy.

6. “Calling people criminal elements is biased”
No—it’s called inference. When behavior aligns with known patterns of coercion or malfeasance, it raises questions. That’s not bias, it’s analysis. You don’t get to police language simply because it makes you uncomfortable. If you disagree with the conclusion, challenge the reasoning—not the right to draw it.

7. “Alleged until proven”
Stating legal platitudes doesn’t excuse you from engaging the actual issues. Yes, allegations are not convictions—but they are not sacred either. They must be scrutinized, interrogated, and yes, sometimes doubted. That’s not prejudice—it’s critical thinking.

If your position is so fragile it can’t withstand logical pressure, that’s your problem, not mine. Don't mistake volume or sarcasm for substance. If you're going to argue, do so with facts, clarity, and logic—or not at all.

Have a more intellectually honest day.

Newton1045:
Can anyone attempt leaving Islam in Nigeria. Those who did are been hunted uptil today. Or Nigerian Muslim don follow the Quran? Anyway many people stay in Islam bc of fear. And this not right.
Am not a religious fanatics, I belive in reality on ground, love Ur nebor as ursef

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. However, I must respectfully correct several misconceptions in your statement.

First, while there may be isolated incidents of pressure or hostility toward individuals leaving Islam—as sadly happens in various religious contexts across the world—it is inaccurate and unfair to generalize this as the norm for all Muslims in Nigeria. Nigeria is a diverse country governed by a constitution that guarantees freedom of religion, and many Nigerian Muslims live peacefully with people of other faiths, including those who may have changed their beliefs.

Secondly, your question—“Do Nigerian Muslims not follow the Qur’an?”—rests on a flawed assumption. The Qur’an teaches “There is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256), and Islamic scholars across the world have long debated and contextualized verses regarding apostasy. To reduce the entire faith and its adherents to fringe or cultural practices is neither fair nor intellectually honest.

It’s also inaccurate to claim that “many people stay in Islam out of fear.” While fear or social pressure may exist in some environments—as it can in any community—millions of Muslims in Nigeria and around the world remain in the faith because of sincere belief, spiritual conviction, and a deep connection to its teachings of justice, mercy, and compassion.

Finally, you mentioned you believe in "reality on ground" and “love your neighbor as yourself.” That principle of mutual respect is shared by Islam and many other faiths. If we truly believe in coexistence and peace, then it begins with resisting harmful generalizations and striving to understand others based on facts, not assumptions.

AntiChristian:
You're communicating with someone without integrity nor does he wish to understand whatever you say but to look for more loopholes to latch up on!

Thank you for your thoughtful advice. I understand and appreciate your concern. Engaging with someone who appears unwilling to listen or respond in good faith can indeed be frustrating and unproductive.

However, I believe it is still important to communicate with clarity, integrity, and logic—not necessarily to convince the other person, but to uphold the standards of reasoned dialogue and to provide clarity for any others who may be observing the exchange. Sometimes, it's not about changing their mind, but about setting the record straight.

That said, I will remain mindful of when a conversation has reached its limits and avoid being drawn into fruitless arguments.

Thank you again for your insight.

TenQ:
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See how I was vindicated: this is Islam!

Let’s be clear: quoting one isolated incident in Zamfara and a selectively interpreted Hadith does not prove your sweeping claim about Islam. If you're genuinely interested in understanding, you’d begin with Qur’an 2:256 — “There is no compulsion in religion.” That verse is explicit, direct, and foundational.

The Hadith you referenced has been heavily debated. Classical scholars understood it in the context of political betrayal or rebellion, not someone simply changing their belief quietly. You wouldn’t quote one line of the U.S. Constitution without legal context—why try it with Islamic law?

As for the Zamfara case, it's one regional legal system, not a universal Islamic ruling. Islam spans dozens of cultures and countries, many of which have full freedom of religion. Reducing the entire religion to one incident is intellectually shallow and deeply misleading.

If your goal is to criticize Islam, do it with integrity and factual understanding—not with selective outrage. Anything less is propaganda, not discussion.

sailor2011:
😁😁😁 Natasha is struggling like a man that is about to drown....I bet she doesn't have any shred of evidence despite her numerous allegations....she has been silent for weeks now only to petition the IGP and AGF...what stops her from approaching the courts with admissible evidence?

Your comment reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of how the justice system works. First, approaching the Inspector General of Police (IGP) and the Attorney General of the Federation (AGF) is not a sign of weakness—it’s a procedural step in seeking justice within the bounds of law and due process.

Secondly, your assumption that she has ‘no shred of evidence’ is both baseless and irresponsible. Are you privy to the contents of her petition or the ongoing investigations? If not, then making such definitive claims only exposes your bias, not any truth.

Silence during a legal process is often a strategic and necessary measure—not a sign of defeat. Legal matters are not prosecuted in the media or public comment sections, but through properly filed complaints, investigations, and ultimately, the courts.

If you genuinely care about justice, you should be encouraging due process—not mocking someone for using it. Until you have access to facts, your ‘drowning’ analogy says more about your own desperation to discredit her than about the actual situation.

xjiggy:
My take away from all this is that this woman doesn't have tangible evidence to support all her allegations. Why petition the AGN and IGP, when you can conveniently sue with the evidence you said you have. Also in her petition, she seems to agree to have contact with Sandra Duru only that she's claiming blackmail. If so, sue Duru.. she's be begging to be sued for sometime now.

Your interpretation of the situation appears deeply flawed and lacks an understanding of how legal processes actually function. Petitioning the AGN, IGP, or any relevant authority is a legitimate and often necessary step in escalating a matter to the appropriate institutions for investigation—especially when systemic abuse or criminal conduct is alleged.

Your repeated fixation on ‘tangible evidence’ without access to the case files, petitions, or testimonies is not only speculative but intellectually dishonest. You are not in a position to determine the weight or admissibility of the evidence she may possess.

Furthermore, your assertion about her contact with Sandra Duru misrepresents the core issue. Acknowledging contact does not negate the possibility of blackmail. If anything, it reinforces the need for legal intervention, which she is now pursuing through the proper channels. Suing is not always the first step—especially when criminal elements are involved and safety concerns are present.

Finally, dismissing a serious claim simply because someone has ‘been begging to be sued’ trivializes the gravity of the matter. The law is not a tool for spectacle—it is a process, and she is within her rights to follow it as she deems fit. Until you've reviewed all facts, it would be wise to refrain from unfounded conclusions.

Tareq1105:
Natasha is just trying to save face in the midst of Dr Duru allegations.

Why's Natasha dragging Akpabio and Duru to IGP and Attorney General?

Dr Duru said you should sue her to court if you (Natasha) feel offended. Natasha couldn't approach court. When has IGP or AGF become court?

Now we know who's lying.

Your comment is a prime example of loud ignorance packaged as opinion. First, petitioning the IGP and AGF is not a substitute for court—it’s a legal step in triggering investigation and criminal proceedings, especially when public officials or systemic abuse are involved. This isn’t social media drama; it’s called due process—look it up.

Second, your obsession with 'why Natasha is dragging Akpabio and Duru' ignores the possibility that credible claims exist involving both individuals. You're conveniently dismissing that because it doesn't fit your preferred narrative. If you’re so confident in who's lying, maybe try getting facts from legal filings, not WhatsApp forwards.

Third, ‘go to court’ is not a magic phrase that overrides legal strategy or security concerns. Not every case starts in court; criminal matters often begin with police reports and petitions to competent authorities. That's exactly what she's done—and your frustration clearly stems from the fact that she’s using the system in a way that threatens your biased assumptions.

In short, your logic is hollow, your argument is lazy, and your conclusion is worthless. Stick to facts or kindly step aside.

TenQ:
I only quoted the Qur'an as you can see, and I didn't even explain it beyond the obvious face value meaning.

Please check!

Stop hiding behind this weak excuse of “I only quoted the Qur’an at face value.” That’s not some virtue — that’s intellectual laziness parading as honesty.

You’re quoting translated verses — ripped from context, without linguistic insight, historical awareness, or scholarly methodology — and then pretending you're just reading it “as it is.” That’s not neutral. That’s manipulative. That’s like grabbing Shakespeare in Mandarin and claiming you’ve unlocked hidden meanings.

You want to pretend that “face value” is the standard? The Qur’an itself condemns those who read without reflection, context, or sincerity. So don’t act like you're doing anything noble — you're just cherry-picking lines while ignoring the surrounding verses, the occasion of revelation (asbāb al-nuzūl), and the interconnected textual structure the Qur’an constantly uses.

It’s like quoting a chemistry textbook without understanding the formulas, then saying “I’m just reading what it says.” No — you’re misreading, oversimplifying, and weaponizing text with zero qualification.

If you’re serious about truth, stop pretending that shallow readings make you a scholar. They don’t. They just make you loud and wrong — confidently so.

So yes, we did check. And you’re not quoting the Qur’an. You’re mutilating it with your ignorance.

TenQ:
Of course Islam later rejected the notion of Allah having three daughters. Remember that even your prophet accidentally received the "satanic verses" and even prostrated as he recited the verses before it was abrogated by Jibril.

The problem is that it is a historical truth Muslims have to reject.




It is historically accurate my brother. All you need to do is to read up the story of Abdul Mutalib and his sacrifice to Allah/Hubal. It seems that the difference is that Hubal is the visible form of Allah as Allah doesn't have an image/idol but Hubal does. A sacrifice to Hubal is a sacrifice to Allah. This was the history according to Muslims about the pre-Islamic Arabs.

Have you ever wondered why the names of the three daughters of Hubal is the exact names of the three daughters of Allah according to the pre-Islamic Arabs?

As Muslims,you may reject the idea that Hubal is aka Allah BUT the pre-Islamic Muslims see otherwise. Unfortunately, you do not have any pre-Islamic history contradicting this.



Yes, Islam refutes this BUT history remains that the pre-Islamic Arabs knew this to be that Allah has three daughters and Hubal has three daughters and the names of the daughters are al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt.




No sir!
Check your Qur'an and you will see that EVERY instance of the word AHAD means "One of" or "One out of a group" etc. Waheed is One but not Ahad. Ahad is Echad (Hebrew) and it means a compound Unity and not Singular Unity.

If you deny this, just form ten Arabic sentences with Ahad and let us see if it would be used as singular ONE.




Can one UNIFY what is inherently uniquely just ONE?

Your Argument Is a Mashup of Ignorance, Fabrication, and Arrogance

Let’s not sugarcoat it: your claims are riddled with distortion, shallow research, and a desperate attempt to equate polemic with truth.

1. The “Satanic Verses” Lie
Stop pretending this rejected, unauthenticated tale is a “historical fact.” It has no reliable chain, contradicts stronger hadiths, and has been dismissed by mainstream Islamic scholarship for centuries. If your argument hinges on a discredited myth, that tells us everything about your credibility.

2. Hubal = Allah? Absolute Nonsense.
Hubal was just one of 300+ idols placed around the Kaaba. Allah had no image, no idol, and no association with Hubal. Even pre-Islamic Arabs distinguished between Allah (the supreme creator) and lesser gods like Hubal. Qur’an 31:25 literally states: “They will surely say, ‘Allah created them.’” Hubal was a local idol—not a “visible form” of Allah. You clearly don't understand the religion you're trying to criticize.

3. Al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, Manāt? Islam Destroyed That Belief.
Yes, pagan Arabs believed these were Allah’s daughters. Islam called it what it was: a lie and blind conjecture. Qur’an 53:19-23 obliterates that notion. The fact that Islam confronted and crushed that false belief is proof of its mission, not an endorsement of pre-Islamic nonsense. You’re quoting the very disease and acting like it discredits the cure.

4. No “Pre-Islamic Record” Denying It? Laughable.
Why would pre-Islamic Arabs reject their own myths? That’s what Islam came to do. Your logic is like blaming medicine for not existing before the illness. Islam didn't evolve from idolatry—it confronted it and demolished it.

5. Ahad vs Wahid – Your Linguistic Gymnastics Are Embarrassing.
In Arabic, “Ahad” denotes absolute uniqueness, especially when used in theology. That’s why “Qul Huwa Allahu Ahad” is the foundation of Tawhid—it rules out all forms of composition, partnership, or plurality. “Wahid” just means “one (of something),” while “Ahad” is One like none other.
You're confusing Arabic with Hebrew “Echad” to force a Christian idea into Islamic monotheism. It doesn’t work—linguistically or theologically. Form ten Arabic sentences? Sure. Just look at every time “Ahad” is used in Qur’anic negation: “lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad”—no one, no equal, no second.

6. “Can You Unify What Is One?”
Exactly—you can’t. That’s why Allah is not a composition or trinity. You’ve accidentally summarized Islamic monotheism perfectly. Islam doesn’t unify God. It affirms His eternal, indivisible unity. Try keeping up.

In conclusion:
You’re not delivering history. You’re pushing tired apologetics, dressed up with bad linguistics and worse theology. You twist myths, misunderstand Arabic, and ignore the very core of what Islam teaches—because truth isn’t your goal. Polemics are.

If you actually studied the religion with sincerity instead of Googling attack material, you’d realize just how shallow your arguments are.

TenQ:
I honestly understand the dilemma of peaceful Muslims especially because of interpretations of verses like

Qur'an 9:29
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture- [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Qur'an 5:51
"O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians as friends (awliyaa). They are [in fact] friends of one another. And whoever among you takes them as friends, then indeed, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people."
AND

Qur'an 1:6-7
Guide us to the straight path –
The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray

Because,
1. Your Tafsirs explained them clearly to mean exactly what the verses reads on the surface
2. As long as there are many Muslims who see it as a command to dominate and humiliate non Muslims, no explanation or reinterpretation avails much
3. Those who need re-education are actually Muslims and not Christians and Jews who are on the recieving side when Muslims are either in power or are a majority
4. The fact that even though you deny the apparent direct meanings, Christians (especially) experience marginalisation and injustice as a result of not being Muslims doesn't help your case.


Finally,
The Qur'an is supposed to be simple and clear to understand because Allah explains things in detail

Qur'an 11:1
This is a Book whose verses are perfected and then presented in detail from [one who is] Wise and Acquainted"

Qur'an 41:3
"[A Book] whose verses have been detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know."

Qur'an 12:1
"These are the verses of the clear Book"


BUT
It seems that no one including Muslims can understand the plain words of Allah in the Qur'an.
Instead, We need
1. Loads of Tafsirs which sometimes even disagree with each other
2. Asbāb al-Nuzūl
3. Lots of Hadiths and we then begin to argue over the chains of narrations
4. Reinterpretation by modern Muslims.


So, we can only say
We hear you as it is just your opinion and not a consensus of Islam or Muslims.

You claim to “understand” peaceful Muslims, yet you proceed to weaponize verses, strip them of context, and parade your ignorance as if it’s insight. Your entire argument is a predictable patchwork of cherry-picked verses, void of nuance, historical context, and intellectual honesty.

Let’s dismantle your facade piece by piece.

1. Qur’an 9:29 – You quote it like a slogan but deliberately omit the context of war and treaties being violated. This was revealed during an active conflict, not as a universal mandate. You're not quoting scripture to understand—it’s a hit job, and you know it.

2. Qur’an 5:51 – “Awliyaa” means allies, protectors, patrons—not mere “friends” as you claim. Again, context: it was a time of political tension, not Sunday brunch. But you ignore scholarly consensus and linguistic depth because it suits your agenda to oversimplify.

3. Qur’an 1:6–7 – You're stretching now. That verse is a prayer, not a doctrine of exclusion. Interpreting "those who earned wrath" as all Jews and "those who are astray" as all Christians is your own projection, not a universally held or mandated interpretation.

You accuse Muslims of needing tafsir, hadith, and asbab al-nuzul—as if complex systems of thought and context invalidate a religion. What a laughable standard. By that logic, every field from law to medicine to theology should be rejected because they require scholarly tools to understand.

You scoff at disagreement between scholars—yet that’s the very sign of a dynamic, intellectually honest tradition. Unlike the echo chamber you clearly prefer, Islamic scholarship values debate and depth.

You say Muslims marginalize others when in power, as if injustice is exclusive to Islam. Shall we list centuries of colonization, genocide, and forced conversion committed in the name of Christ? Or is your moral outrage conveniently one-directional?

Finally, you pretend that disagreement among Muslims weakens the message. No, it reflects reality: truth is often complex, layered, and demands effort. Your fixation on surface-level readings doesn’t make you insightful—it exposes a lazy, agenda-driven mindset.

So no, you don’t “understand the dilemma.” You exploit it. And your faux-objectivity isn’t fooling anyone.

TopBanter:
Lol. You said similar to what I did above in response to another poster also of childish disposition. Where is there room, for a well-calibrated adult, to be focused on the messenger in this development with Duru's introduction into the game?

If a policeman is in your house to foil an armed robbery, do you begin asking if he walked, flew or deove to your house?

Should Natasha, Ezekwesili etal not be heading to court, with immediate alacrity, to clear their name and get Duru docked for malicious defamation, if innocent of allegations Duru made that they can instantly discredit by providing proof of their innocence?

Why does Natasha, for example, not deploy a respected voice analysis professional of unimpeachable reputation to establish she is not the one in the Duru recordings or that any part of the recording has been doctored or tampered with?

Natasha and co can only play with the minds of the G & H ( gullible and hungry) I'm Nigeria.

Your analogy reflects a superficial approach and a misplaced sense of certainty. Equating the entry of a whistleblower into a politically sensitive situation with a police officer intervening in a robbery grossly oversimplifies a complex issue. This is not a scripted event—it involves serious reputational risks, potential digital manipulation, and intricate legal implications.

Insisting on immediate recourse to the courts reveals a limited grasp of legal procedure, which demands thorough preparation, evidentiary substantiation, and strategic judgment—not reactionary theatrics for public approval. Your suggestion of voice analysis further highlights a lack of understanding regarding forensic protocols, evidentiary integrity, and admissibility standards.

Your fixation on the whistleblower’s emergence rather than the substance of her claims conveniently ignores the calculated nature of such leaks. Moreover, your "G & H" comment betrays a tone of condescension rather than insight.

Respond with legal substance and critical analysis—not posturing disguised as reason.

TheGift:
But why do you keep sharing your posts on this with matter with me. Over 50 shares from one person, and its all about Natasha and Akpabio.

Are you conscious of it, because I am nor interested

I'm sorry—perhaps it was the bot that caused this confusion, as the message was not intended for you.

emkz:
There are agents of the accuser here on Nairaland. Their modus operandi are to attack Akpabio and Sandra Duru, while painting someone as purity.

Natashaba launched a shouting attack on the 20th of February 2025. One of her agents joined Nairaland on 18th of February 2025 and made a first comment on 21st February. What does this mean?

The shouting attack on Akpabio was likely premeditated. Those to spread the propaganda were already being planted here to carry out the job.

What this really reveals is a desperation to cling to conspiracy theories when the facts are too uncomfortable to face.

Accusations of 'agents' and 'premeditated propaganda' are the last refuge of those who can’t counter substance with logic.

Joining a platform days before a public event doesn’t prove orchestration—it proves nothing except your eagerness to invent narratives to distract from the real issues.

If your defense of Akpabio and Sandra Duru requires smearing others with baseless claims, then perhaps it’s not the accuser who’s struggling with credibility—it’s you.

emkz:
The fundamental idea was to embarass, gaslight and control the narrative with unsubstantiated accusations. She never wanted a court case, except noise. She never wanted closure except playing the victim.

You talk about gaslighting while doing exactly that—projecting your warped assumptions as fact.

You don’t know her intentions, yet you spew this garbage with the smug confidence of someone who thinks loud opinions equal truth.

Your obsession with silencing someone else's experience reeks of insecurity and misogyny. If she truly wanted attention, congratulations—you just gave it more with your performative outrage.

What you call 'noise' is someone fighting a battle you're too ignorant or biased to understand.

TopBanter:
What blind loyalty? If this happened between two ordinary people in your neigbhourhood, and not prominent Nigerian politicians, then you and other in the area would have long adjudged the woman an evil b1tch !!!

The problem.is that some of you cannot seperate your political hatred of Akpabio from the situation to then look at things objectively.

Additionally you had a problem with my utterances that "If Akpabio hired Susan Duru, so what".

Have you thought thing through or is the case that a sentimental and emotional disposition is making you miss the obvious? Don't even the police use undercover officers, planted amidst suspect, to get the truth and secure a confession?

If Akpabio hired Duru to infiltrate the camp of the loud, uncouth, arrogant and callous Natasha, to unearth the truth and show her up as the liar he knows she is, then so be it and fair play to Akpabio.

I would do the same to expose a sadistic and vindictive blackmailer who started all this after a change in seating arrangement at the Senate.

You call the deployment of Susan Duru "intimidation". Is the easiest thing to do, to end the "intimidation ", not for Natasha to head straight to court to file for defamation If Duru even uttered one single lie out of all her many claims? Duru is literally begging Natasha to take her to court yet the normally loud, uncouth and attention-seeking Natasha is silent and hiding.

Perhaps because Natasha know Duru has deposited evidence with US police who she won't be able to buy off. Natasha knows if she dare tries it then US police will confirm.the audio as authentic, featuring the voice of Natasha, and not tampered with. Slam dunk and she is out of the Senate because she cannot question the integrity of the US police force and their findings.

You are an emotional and hypocritical person not strong on making argument with wining logic. You make a song and dance about Duru, yet what of Ezekwesili the hireling of Natasha? You can never sit on a jury bro.

Most crucial thing is how you unprincipled Natasha fans continue to ignore commenting on the fact Same woman has a history of doing this and indeed she falsely and maliciously accused Reno Omokri, many years after alleged offence was supposed to have occurred, of sexually harassing her simply because Omokri spurned the advanced of Natasha's friend.

What do you think Natasha's action mean in law other than judicial scepticism against her current allegation, because of her past, unless she can prove it?


If you opened your eye and stop being a petty, sentimental and prejudiced individual, it wont be difficult to see Natasha for what/who she really is.

You are spewing the kind of twisted logic only someone blinded by sycophancy could muster. “What blind loyalty?” You’ve practically written an ode to Akpabio’s supposed political genius while brushing aside fundamental issues of morality, legality, and abuse of power. That’s blind loyalty in its purest form.

If this were a case between two regular people, no doubt you'd be screaming from the rooftops about justice and fairness. But because it involves your political idol, you twist yourself into a pretzel justifying what is plainly immoral and potentially criminal.

Let’s be absolutely clear: hiring a woman to infiltrate, manipulate, record, and harass someone is not “undercover policing”—it’s unethical at best, criminal at worst. Don’t insult everyone’s intelligence by comparing it to a legitimate law enforcement operation. You're defending the calculated use of a woman as a tool to settle political scores. That’s not “fair play,” that’s filth.

You arrogantly ask whether I’ve “thought things through”—yes, I have. Unlike you, I’m not worshiping a corrupt politician like a deity. I see this for what it is: a vindictive campaign designed to destroy a woman’s reputation because she dared to challenge power. And you? You cheerlead it like it’s some masterstroke. That’s pathetic.

Your obsession with Natasha’s supposed past is telling. The desperation to drag up old, unproven accusations as if that somehow nullifies present concerns shows your argument is built on sand. The legal system doesn’t work by mob conviction or anecdotal vendettas. It works on evidence, fairness, and due process—things you clearly have zero respect for.

You talk about “judicial scepticism” like you’re a legal expert, but you can’t even disguise your prejudice. You don’t want justice—you want vengeance dressed up as justice. You ignore the obvious coercive tactics and smear campaigns while screaming a out "objectivity." Hypocrite.

Let’s not pretend here—you’re defending Akpabio not because of logic or truth, but because you’re emotionally attached to his status and power. You call me emotional? Look in the mirror.

If you ever sat on a jury, I’d have no faith in the justice system. Your mind is already made up, poisoned by bias, and driven by a loathing of women who don’t fall in line. You lack both moral clarity and intellectual discipline.

So spare me your hollow lectures and weak analogies. This isn’t about loyalty to Natasha—it’s about calling out dirty, desperate politics when we see it. And you? You’re the mouthpiece for that desperation.

TopBanter:
People like you make me laugh. Natasha, the evil and wicked blackmailer, insisted, without supplying any proof whatsoever, that Akpabio instructed Yaya Bello to assasinate her.

Na beans to accuse the third citizen of Nigeria of that without proof whatsoever?

Some of you just have no sense of fairness and equity towards others and this the one of the main reason Nigeria is a mess.

You support the misbehaviour of your own but scream childishly when they come for them for the misdeeds you once praises them for as is the case with Natasha and Nnamdi Kanu.

Did you condemn Natasha when she accused Apkpabio, the third most important Nigeria, of ordering her assasination without providing any proof whatsoever?

If Akpabio hired Susan Duru then so what? Which of us will not do same against someone determined to destroy our lives with wicked, malicious and life-destroying lies and accusations?

Has Natasha not done and said enough wicked and evil things against our SP for him to want to deal with her? Because you hate Akpabio, you must support Lie-Tasha blindly, and never be fair to our SP when he deserves such as a human being?

As long as Sarah Duru has exposed Natasha truthfully and verifiably, with Lie-Tasha failing/refusing to go to court, then anything Akpabio does to clear his name and expose Natasha real character is 100% justified.

Especially in the eyes of fair-minded folks who strongly feel wicked human being like Natasha must be stopped by all means and not allowed to get away with their madness against others as Natahsa has been getting away with for a long time.

Blind Loyalty is Killing Nigeria

Spare us the noise and emotional gymnastics.

You’re out here defending a politician like he’s your personal savior. It’s pathetic. Screaming “no proof” like that magically erases suspicion. Where was your outrage when unproven claims were weaponized against people you don’t support? Hypocrisy looks good on you, apparently.

Calling Natasha names doesn’t change facts. If she’s lying—take her to court. But your beloved Akpabio won’t. Why? Because he prefers to operate in the shadows, hiding behind proxies like Sandra Duru. That’s not leadership. That’s cowardice dressed as power.

And you seriously say, “If Akpabio hired Susan Duru, so what?”
So what? You just justified political intimidation. You’re not defending justice—you’re endorsing tyranny.

Stop preaching about “fairness” when your loyalty is selective and your principles are dead. If Natasha is wrong, let the system prove it—not mob culture and smear campaigns. Until you hold everyone accountable—including your sacred SP—your opinion is just loud, empty noise.

Nigeria doesn’t need more blind loyalists. It needs people who think.

The crisis in Irewole LG, Osun state highlights the governor's disregard for the rule of law and due process by ignoring a court ruling.

This sets a dangerous precedent of political impunity, undermining public trust in the system.

Democracy depends on respecting legal institutions, and failure to do so threatens governance.

The people must demand accountability to uphold justice and prevent further political recklessness.

notttty:
You are just blind honestly, our former king died, and the governor then screened 70 eligible people with so much riches then settle for the youngest who at that time was a serving airforce officer. What did bell did wrong. This is a faceless person that Ebira people don't know. It's all media

You are a shameless lier!

The selection process for the new king wasn’t about picking the youngest or the richest. If you’re going to tell a story, at least get the facts right. Care to provide actual evidence, or are we just making things up now?

That's a tough one. On one hand, accepting money from a corrupt politician could be seen as condoning their actions. On the other hand, the money could be used for good causes within the church.

It's a moral dilemma that ultimately depends on the values and principles of the church and its leaders.

It is emotional and irrational lazy minds like yours that Yahaya Bello count on to propagate his atrocity.

Lovelife433:
As he be confirmed guilty? Ode say make them treat am like common criminal. What about order criminal Generals parading as senators, ec governor's, ex politicians generally? Everything rubbish u type is out of bitterness