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|Religion / Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by JMAN05: 1:18pm On Aug 21, 2020|
The extra words are inserted. The KJV used the fraudulent manuscript to translate. They words are not genuine.
Of course, there are other insertions you can find in KJV. I don't know what you are getting at though.
The curse in the book of revelation is contextually for that book.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 10:18pm On Aug 17, 2020|
which one is sumerian text? after you read the text, come and check what i said above again.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 5:04pm On Jul 26, 2020|
Sweet fresh water is known as Apsu, while salty bitter water is the goddess Tiamat. From these two inanimate things (Apsu and Tiamat), younger gods were born.
The young gods were loud and disturbed the sleep of inanimate fresh water (Apsu). It's vizier Mummu advised it and he agrees to kill the younger gods. Tiamat hearing of the plan went and warned Enki. Younger gods then put Apsu to death. From Apsu's remains, Enki creates his home.
Tiamat regrets the killing of Apsu by the younger gods, she became enraged. Now she aims to kill the younger gods......
Non living things called gods, has husbands, has children, fights, devices murder schemes, murders etc.
That doesn't sound real to me. It is clearly a myth. They are obviously writing about something on earth in a fanciful way. Maybe you should read the story yourself and check if it sounds like a real history.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 12:00pm On Jul 18, 2020|
It's very possible. The writers of those myths were the ones without the real information cos they were used by God to pen down what they wrote.
A story guided by Jehovah is the true story cos He saw everything that many of those myths writers didn't see. So it's not a case of who wrote later, it's a case of who guided the writing. Moses didn't just write of his own knowledge. Have you even read those myths? Does that sound reasonable to you? On the other hand, we have seen biblical characters u confirmed by current excavations.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 11:58am On Jul 15, 2020|
No one knows the exact date the book was written. So I don't know why you are saying assumption here. You said the scroll is hundreds of years before Christ. How did u know that for sure? Scholars have not told us of any specific date. They did say it's either second or first century BCE. That being said, you are right if you say the book must have been written before the book of Jude. But if you say it with certainty as you did above, you are wrong cos no one is certain. Scholars don't have any specific date yet. The book doesn't either.
However, we do not know who wrote that book. It's not faithful Enoch. Enoch didn't live during second or first century BCE. He had died long before then. So, to think that Jude will ignore the use of Jewish Canon and use a book who we do not even know who wrote it is unthinkable. We ll look another way. Of course, I can't say how Jude got his account with certainty because Jude didn't tell us how he got his account. He didn't say he was quoting the book of Enoch which he normally would have done since he knows that his listeners will be confused seeing that he is quoting a book not in the Jewish Canon. If the story of Enoch prophesy was among what Jesus taught some disciples that was not written down, we don't know. It may be, it may not. We don't know. But it is possible. But we can't focus on the book of Enoch. No.
Oral tradition doesn't stem from a written source.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 9:00pm On Jul 14, 2020|
Being first to write doesn't make it accurate. The whole story in the Sumerian text is obviously mythology. The Bible is quite a different thing. The Bible comes off as the original account.
Mythology is sometimes borrowed from a real account. In some cases these are real historical facts that have been distorted over time. As such, it's often not logical and sometimes it just sounds funny, not sounding as reasonable. You see it turn earth, planet, water into a deity that interacts with another. This is what we see in those accounts. But with the Bible you could try to understand/guess few things that the story that those myths are trying to tell really is.
The Bible is quite different and shows itself to be the original account of facts. People that didnt serve God were not privy to the true story.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 8:43pm On Jul 14, 2020|
That's an interesting question we should find the answer. The knowledge could have come through oral tradition or inspiration. But not from book of Enoch. Jude may have even written his account before that book of Enoch.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 10:13am On Jul 13, 2020|
I don't know how u arrived at that. But Peter and James can't quote from a book they were not trained from childhood as inspired. That book was not part of the Jewish Canon.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 10:09am On Jul 13, 2020|
Speaking about a flood or sons of God as angels doesn't mean that the book is written by Enoch of the Bible nor is it inspired. This book is believed by most scholars to be written during the first century CE. Few said it is second century. Which ever one, it is clear that before that time, the Jewish Canon has been fixed. The book was not written before the time of Ezra. Ezra never knew any such book.
Such book may have been written by a Jewish Christian who himself knew what Jude wrote in his letter. Or it was written by a Jew of the second century BCE. A book having no inspiration can also be accurate in some of its histories. This should not make us reckon it as inspired.
|Religion / Re: Who Is God? Enoch, The Book Of Enoch & The Anunnaki's by JMAN05: 11:13am On Jul 10, 2020|
The faithful Jews during the time of Ezra didn't identify the book of Enoch as one of the holy books.
The stories of anunnakis are mythologies. None of these are true. The story change from one culture to another.
The Bible accounts are not that way.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 9:07am On Jul 03, 2020|
I will comment when it has to do with grammar as regards John 3:5. I think, there is no more reason to speak on that. There is no grammatical reason to input "the" before "spirit". It's all about doctrine. I won't make much issue about that cos that often happens in translations. What I won't agree is that Greek grammar supports it. It doesn't.
However, as to why "water" there refers to water baptism, I will prefer a private discussion. Without such, I assure you that there won't be an end to the tunnel. If you want to discuss that, let's make it private.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 1:06pm On Jul 02, 2020|
No. I have been here for long. I ve observed that people are readily open to change when they think no one is seeing the conversation. Unlike when it is open, they are ready to argue to death even when the evidence is obvious. Why? Perhaps, they want to save face. They feel they ll loose if they accept in public. You will likely observe this later.
Secondly, there are chances of derailing the thread in a public discussion.
Pm works best. Trust me.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 10:47am On Jun 29, 2020|
I see that place as referring to water baptism. Do you wish we discuss it? I will prefer a mail from you. Not public forum.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 10:36am On Jun 29, 2020|
Ok. There is no rule in grammar that supports the addition of definite article there. It's all about doctrine that made translators to add it. Nothing more.
Sharp's rule is obviously misunderstood. As for the meaning of John 3:5, I prefer a private discussion than this forum. You can PM me let's discuss that.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 10:54am On Jun 26, 2020|
Yes. That's the way it is in my interlinear too, but it all has the same meaning. Check the strong number. That's the point.
Secondly the other points you raised are doctrinal and looking at John 3:5 contextually, lexically and exegetically, you are likely not correct and I will subscribe to the OP interpretation.
We talking grammatically now. From Greek grammar no definite article should be added to that "spirit". Translations add it cos of doctrinal bias. It is not there nor does Greek grammar suggest that it should be there. I have also gone forward to show instances of where the same Greek word occured in a translation where "the" was not added. Translators add it because of their personal understanding/bias. I'm not saying you should not accept the way they worded it. It's your choice, but I'm coming from the position of greek grammar.
If you want us to discuss the meaning of John 3:5, that's a different thing altogether.
I feel the op misunderstood Sharp's rule. That's what all these is about.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 11:11am On Jun 25, 2020|
I think the word that appeared there is still pneuma (strong 4151). It is from root pneo (strong 4154). Please check it up.
It doesn't go with the definite article the way you said it. That article in John 3:5 is inserted based on doctrinal understanding/bias. It shouldn't be there if we follow Greek literally/grammatically.
The word also appeared in Luke 1:80; Matt 5:3. Check up a concordance. Definite article didn't appear in those places.
The fact is that even the other points I mentioned above shows the weakness of your premise.
|Religion / Re: Born Of Water And The Spirit And The "Kai" Connection by JMAN05: 2:25pm On Jun 24, 2020|
I think you are missing something, or perhaps you put me through.
Sharp's rule apply
1. When the object of discreption refers to persons, not things.
2. When the definite article precedes the first noun, not second noun. (Pls post the full rule. When I checked, I didn't see the rule apply to the second noun).
However, when I checked, the definite article didn't even appear before any of the nouns in John 3:5. (Check interlinear)
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 4:07pm On May 02, 2020|
Have you done your research on the topic? What was your findings?
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 4:04pm On May 02, 2020|
Jesus did explain what he meant by being born again. John 3:5 said that the person must be born from water and spirit. I understand these to mean water baptism and baptism by God's holy Spirit as what happened in the first century clearly shows.
Not all went through that process. The ancient servant of God before Christ came didn't go through any baptism and they did not receive the outpouring of the holy spirit during Pentecost. So this persons cannot be called born again Christians. In fact they are not even Christians since Christianity started after Jesus appearance on Earth.
They would however, gain eternal life. psalm 37:29 shows that they will inherit the Earth and they will live forever on it. Those going to Heaven will rule over them. (Rev 5:10)
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 3:37pm On May 02, 2020|
I don't understand? I thought you said that the instrument for the new birth is only the word of God which is in agreement with the way you interpreted 1st Peter 1:23?
So if I understand you very well,you are now saying that the instrument for the new birth include the word of God and the spirit of Jesus? And if so is that still in line with the 1st Peter 1:23 quoted, because you seem not to support the fact that the holy Spirit is included in that 1st Peter 1:23?
Are you also saying that water is not involved in the new birth that it is only a symbol that one has gotten the new birth? If yes, do you have any scriptural support for this?
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 5:38pm On May 01, 2020|
Yes, faith in Jesus is essential for salvation as you said.
I appreciate your point. In that 1st Peter 1:23, the incorruptible seed is God's holy spirit. And that is not far from what Jesus was saying in that John 3:5. Someone receiving a new birth undergoes water baptism afterward he receives God's holy spirit. That completes he's being born again.
Yes, God's word is a product of his spirit so the word can do some cleansing on believers. However, the water and spirit cannot all refer to God's word the Bible.
Why not? Because if the two refer to God's word then nicodemos must be viewed as a born again Christian because he has heard the word both from the synagogue and even from Jesus himself. many two have heard the word yet they choose not to believe in Jesus. Can we then say that they are still born again Christians since they have heard the word?
Consider what happened on Pentecost. many heard the word. however, they got baptized and later received God's holy spirit. So granted, hearing the word is essential, however without baptism and receiving the holy spirit we can't say that one is a born again Christian. You will agree with me that some may have also heard the word of during that day but they did not get baptized.
What do you think?
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 6:47pm On Apr 29, 2020|
If you go through that book of John 3:5, it says that it means being born from water and spirit. Water is for water baptism and spirit is baptism by the holy spirit.
None of the servants of God prior to Jesus coming knew anything about that. That was why Nicodemus was confused.
They aren't going to heaven. David mentioned another hope available at Psalm 37:9,29.
|Religion / Re: How We Can Curb Sexual Immorality In Our Society by JMAN05: 1:53pm On Apr 29, 2020|
The film industry contribute much to this sexual depravity. Women are affected by what they watch, that's why they dress the way they do. If one has to control his urges, he or she should beware of what film he watches.
Another killer pornography. This sends a picture in ur head that keeps tempting you. Cases of sexual immorality cannot be curbed in our society, it will only keep on getting messier, as pleasure will be the bane during this last days. 2tim3:1-5.
Until we stop watching and viewing this things, we will not get rid of sexual immorality. Another madness is music videos. Some think it does not affect them. That is a lie, it does.
We should beware of what we feed our minds with. Phil 4:8.
|Religion / Re: True Men Of God Don't Take On Titles by JMAN05: 1:24pm On Apr 29, 2020|
Thank you op.
Matt 23 shows Jesus condemnation of religious titles.
Even when his disciples like Paul use the word apostle, they never view it as what must go with there names as title does. Apostle was just identifying their assignment as sent out ones by Jesus himself.
Check official records of this haughty men and see whether you ll see them address themselves or accept a letter not bearing their titles. By their fruit, you shall know them... They lack humility.
|Religion / Re: How Did The Sin Of Adam And Eve Make Other Animals Become Violent? by JMAN05: 1:04pm On Apr 29, 2020|
Evidently Satan had the curse, not literal serpent.
The actions of men towards the animals may have caused the violent reaction of many animals today.
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 12:35pm On Apr 29, 2020|
Pls do. Factor this in ur finding too: Psalm 37:9,29.
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 12:22pm On Apr 29, 2020|
But they were not born again. John 3:3. That only existed when Jesus came. So aren't going to heaven. That does not mean they won't gain eternal life.
|Religion / Re: Even some Non Christians Will Make Heaven by JMAN05: 12:13pm On Apr 29, 2020|
Heaven is for those chosen by God to be there. And this must believe in Jesus. They must be born from water and spirit. John 3:3.
Those servants of God before Christ are not going to heaven. They will spend eternity here on earth.
|Religion / Re: Nigerians Misunderstood My March 27 Prophecy On Coronavirus" –TB Joshua Cries Ou by JMAN05: 12:02pm On Apr 29, 2020|
So, why didn't you specify it was spiritually you meant during the prophesy? Why didn't you speak up when newspapers and social network started broadcasting the predictions before that 27th March? Why didn't you say that they are broadcasting it out of context? What have we to do with the spiritual anyway? Why didn't you announce a spiritual coronavirus when it emerged there? But now you are telling us the disappearance of it spiritually? Why are we still seeing coronavirus cases since it has vanished spiritually?
This false prophets! Or rather business men.
|Religion / Re: Major Facts And Figures About The Bible You Should Know by JMAN05: 11:16am On Apr 29, 2020|
I believe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews. It is true that some don't agree, but I believe he is the one evidently.
|Religion / Does The Church I Attend Matter? by JMAN05: 10:47am On Apr 29, 2020|
'Church won't take you to heaven.' 'In heaven, God will not ask you which church you attended'. 'Be spiritual, not religious, your church doesn't matter, what matters is your heart, after all there are good people in every religion'.
Does that sound similar to what you ve said before? Perhaps you had to say that to someone who finds fault with your church, or who advise that you change your faith. You are not the only one with that opinion. Many who believe it favor non-denominational churches or ministries. They inter-faith with others of different faith. However, what does the Bible say? Does church matter?
At Matt 7:13,14, Jesus spoke about two roads. One leading to life and the other leading to death. Some may posit that the two roads and two gates refer to two types of humans - righteous and unrighteous people - That the bad people are much more than the righteous. But how can that be, if the broad road refers to bad people, how can bad people also go in through it? It's like in Maths, you say let X represent water pipe, and let Y represent water. Then we still come and say water will go in through Y. Is that logical? You can only say Y will go in through X.
Therefore, we can say that the two roads represent true and false religion. Many are in through the false religion, while few are FINDING the true religion. Ok, but that should refer to false religions like Islam, Traditional religions, Hinduism etc. Well, Jesus words continuous, after speaking of false prophets and the good and bad tree, in verses 21-23, he continued.
"Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my father who is in the heavens will. 22. Many will say to me in that day: 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name? 23 And then I will declare to them: 'i never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'.
From the above words of Jesus, we can agree that he was even specifically talking about Christian religion (The good and bad trees). He was contextually positing that false Christian churches will abound, many will flow into it.
Someone will say, 'this refers to those who do the work of God, but they don't live by Bible principles. God can use a pastor, even though the pastor is into sin'. But did we notice what Jesus said above? He said he NEVER knew them. Meaning that God has not been using them all along. 'But' someone may inquire, 'my pastor doesn't use charms, nor any talisman, but he performs many miracles by God's name'.
Yes, Jesus says such people will exist, they will perform powerful works by Jesus name. But Jesus doesn't use them.
But can't I be in such a church and still follow my Bible?
Can we consider that next..
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|Religion / Re: If Churches Reopen, Coronavirus Will Be Crushed – Chosen Pastor Lazarus by JMAN05: 6:19pm On Apr 26, 2020|
They can. Let the churches use their tithe money and get data for them. Or they have a show center of small size with social distancing. Then a screen will be mounted for them to view. Let them not pay more tithe rather use it to buy data. If you don't have join ur member nearer you and maintain social distancing in their house.
The church can sponsor it too. Many of them have too much money to sponsor this. What we see are people who are only interested in filling their pockets with members donations and tithe money.
Maybe you think coronavirus is a joke. I just don't know what you talking about. Do you feel happy to see thousands die? Are you guys blind or something? If you think you want to heal. Stay at home, heal at least one full hall of a single isolation center, then the FG will listen to you when you want to reopen ur church building.
Let me tell you, for true worshipers, a building can't stop the worship of their God. It is only false worshipers that can't worship without a church building. True worshipers worship in spirit and truth.
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