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Eruditor:
Never made any claims. CIES might as well say Kane's balls are insured for $30M each so his value is 196+60M. And people will refer to it. I am agnostic to that type of reasoning.

But Fergie spent X starting from 1980s and Pep spent Y (including 2017s crazy market) type of arguments are mischievous. For lack of a better word.

And i will believe them. They will tell me how many goals his balls has, how many interceptions his balls made, how many perfect crosses his balls made, how many trophies his balls has helped his team win. How by a tracable trend in figures they can guage how each achievement boosts his cost and what his final figure will look like. They won't tell me Harry Kane costs £200 mil now go to bed.

Eruditor:
How do you maintain SAFs £500M in 26 years argument when Zidane was bought for £56M and Sigurdsson cost Everton only 6M or so shy off that value in todays market.

Would I be remiss to say Zidane's £56M in 2001 is akin to Neymar's £196M today?

What would you now call people who are asking you for a formula to justify saying Zidane could have as well gone for 196M today.?

You keep falling into the slippery ditch you dug for yourself. Zidane and Neymar play in different positions, so now it's no longer a case of Zlatan who you said as a striker should cost what the record for striker is today, but its now anybody on the pitch can cost the price of anybody else today. De Gea can cost 196M based on what you say then. I don't know if you are using a hallucinogen but you need to stop it. Not only is what you saying bereft of intelligence, it also means you who said Shearer should cost £100 mil + has forgotten that and now quoting actual figures again. I was already delivering you from a lifestyle of ignorance but you are so far gone and irredemable.

When you quote figures you might not be sure of, please use estimates. If you tell me Zidane will cost £100+ or £150 mil+ in today's window, i can understand you. It means he could cost anything from 100 or 150 above based on the market rate but we can never know a true figure but for his class, he deserves to cost around that range.

Eruditor:
It might actually improve. At least to the point where you would know formulas don't work in Market eras. Just like world record Maradona of £5m in 1984, the Napoli owner felt would double what RM paid for CR7.

I will rather listen to CIES observatory who use scientific methodology to work out transfer figures than Eruditor who once again claims to be the bastion of knowledge when it comes to transfer figures.

Eruditor:
Anyone who is to buy Kane today would pay higher than what Lukaku cost United. That is, a record must be broken.

Now that is similar to what Newcastle needed to do to get Shearer in 1996.

Therefore, Kevin Keegan does not spend money like Pep. He spent £15M on Shearer but Pep the Chequebook manager spent 27M on Gabriel Jesus arguments don't make sense. You see why?

Because what Kevin Keegan did for Shearer, would be what anyone would need to do for Kane.

So if I say Shearer in 1996 is worth £100m+ in today's market. It is logically consistent. QED.

You now have plus added to your figures. So you are gradually accepting you don't know what people cost so it was dumb to just drop straight figures before rather than give estimates.

As for the rest i can't reply them, i fear my IQ might suffer irreparable damage if i try.

BushWickBill:
He arrived at his by virtue of being unable to defend Peps spending and nothing more.

Just the innate need to defend his Fraud Lord and nothing more

The logic behind his reasoning on this thing is just absurb. So whatever world record for a player in a position now is is what a player who was also bought for a world record in that position few seasons ago should cost. What logic.

How they arrived at a Kane fee. Erudition how do you arrive at yours?

From CIES observatory.

Eruditor:
You are not making sense of it because you are simply not making sense.

How will Fergie buy a star £1M in 1988 which may have been a world record. Then someone, in 2018 will say Fergie only spent £1M and Manager X Y Z has spent £30M on one player.

What a logical person will ask is if £30M today is a world record fee? If it is not, then bringing up Fergie's spending today is illogical. QED.

We've gone past what players in Fergie's time and now cost. We want to know how you are able to pull out figures. 75 million for Ferdinand, 200 million for that player from old.. How do you get your exact figures?

BushWickBill:
Don't mind them.

They say he gives youth a chance. He has ditched the Zinchenko experiment already. Or maybe his youth policy is based on spending ridiculous amounts on unproven young players and misusing them (e.g £50 million on Sterling to play as striker, £47 million on Stones to sit on bench,£57 million on Laporte to play left back)

None of his starting or bench players who featured yesterday came from the said academy.

Pep is a scam

No one can tell me what i see is black when it is red. They spent over £200 million to revamp their academy and make it one of the best in the world, their youths haven't be doing badly at their level. You'd expect a manager who people say is wonderful with young players to atleast have brought one through that is even making cameos match after match.. The zinchenko we were having hope on is now looking like an abandoned experiment, diaz, adarabioyo and the rest know their fate already. Mctominay ended the match yesterday but Mourinho is the youth killer. I guess when they mean young players when speaking of fraudiola, they weren't talking of academy players, just some £50 mil+ young players.

BushWickBill:
Except that you haven't managed to tell us how you arrived at your conclusion.

Your post is based on nothing but pure conjecture.

No facts, stats figures, indices.

And he claims to be an Erudite. How he comes up with figures players in the past cost and then bodly tells us that is what so and so on the last year of his contract would have cost now. Hell dude doesn't even sound like he listens to himself before making these unverifiable claims. Before the Neymar deal nobody ever thought players would cost northwards of €200mil in this era, after the Neymar deal, market has seen prices go up but that doesn't mean what dembele cost in the TW last year is what a young skillful player say from the 90's who hasn't achieved anything will cost now. For all we know the figure could be anything except certain indices are used to determine the actual figure it will be now. The same way these indices by CIES observatory have been used to predict what Lukaku, Rashford, martial and several players might cost now. If he had given us that to back his wild statements, atleast it would make some sense since experts have actually analyzed this with whatever factors they used to reach a sensible figure. Imagine saying RVP's cost some 6 years ago cost is what Salah will cost now.. I can't even make sense out of it.

raumdeuter:
When Ferguson won the treble in 1999 can we Also ask why he didn't win it in 1998, 97 96 etc

Stop trying to clever by half, he didn't start winning trophies in England from 1999, for christ sake he had won the league in 92/93, 93/94, 95/96, 96/97, 98/99. and the FA cup about four times before 1999. That is total dominace. His sheer class was there for all to see so you can't even say were where they last season? They were winning as well and winning the hearts of people with a team comprising academy stars who were being unearthed at an alarming rate. Fraud master had an open chequebook, won't even play the kids and now he's the best thing since sliced bread.

raumdeuter:
So to buy a Peugeot car in 1990 cost N20k so you expect to buy a similar Peugeot car today for the same 20k price as in 1990

Baba the car will cost more as several factors influence prices of cars over several years but how Eruditor can say it will cost so and so amount now is what I can't wrap my head around. How is he able to come up with a figure?

Eruditor:
You are trying hard not to get the point.

Denilson the dribbler was once most expensive player ever at £21M. The coach that bought him then cannot say I spent way less than Unai Emery. Got it?

Because £21M then did what £200M did this season.

You are not still makinh sense bro.. How can you just say Denison`s transfer fee should translate to £200 million pounds now. How? how did you land on £200 mil this era

CapitalCee:
How can an Arsenal that went out in the 2nd qualifying round of the ucl win treble?

Whats sad about that post is that it ridicules uniteds success in the FA cup, ucl and league and then tells us a team who is doing well in one of these tournaments bests the one who did well in 3. The way these pep ppl think go make u wonder say na this planet them dey type from or from another dimension

elrony:
More than £200m

So finally we have the newly invented device for Player valuation. Throw in the name of any player from an era and it will calculate. Please Eruditor how much will cryuff cost now, pele, gerd muller...how much will they cost now?

chic2pimp:
I don't think some of these Pephaters know how ridiculous they sound at times. If He wins na trouble, draw na trouble, loose nko more trouble. If they were that demanding of their respective coaches, they'll win the treble every SINGLE year.

Pep lovers should stop telling us he is dominating.. By the way were where they last year? Glory hunting minions crawling out from their cess pits now trying to rewrite history as if last season didn't happen.

chic2pimp:
Have you adjusted for inflation or taken into account the ridiculous transfer market we currently find ourselves in where Average joes cost 40Million+?

Okay lets buy all the average joe's we can find at 40 mil+.. Youth team? Fvck them! Pep Guardiola the master dominator

Eruditor:
It is simple: Rio was the best defender in 2001 (atleast in England). Fergie knew he had to pay heavy to price him out of Leeds.

VVD is regarded by many as the Rio of today (in England) and was purchased for £75M.

Wow! You are not living up to your name. VVD? he was never compared to Ferdinand. Holy Christ! People were screaming at his price because for one, a player from Southampton should never cost that much, how much more a defender who wasn't even consistent at the time. Back to our argument VVD's cost has nothing to do with Ferdinand, it is so absurd there's no relationship that will cause VVD's valuation by Southampton to be What Ferdinand will cost today. For all we know Ferdinand could still be the price of Bailly and still be very good. Prime Ferdinand could have cost 5, 30, or 100 million pounds.. no one will ever know so don't say this player will cost this now and make it fact. It can never be fact, just an observation based on current market trend

Eruditor:
How much will the worlds most expensive defender cost today?

You should ask yourself that. One can't just come out and say a car cost $100,000 10 years ago, now it should $10 mil. Back to the topic, by what and what is your valuation based on. How did you arrive at a proper value of what a defender cost then and what he will cost now? Infact in football the price for a defender has been relatively moderate that your assertion looks weird.

CapitalCee:
He dominated in terms of spending

Can't blame him.. City had no player when he arrived. The club was on the brink of collapse, almost applying for asset liquidation. There was nothing that could be done but to borrow £400 million and pump into transfers to revive the club and who else to make dem dominate again at it than saint Pep

chic2pimp:
Is what I said also not fact or not? Was Fergie not the league's highest spender in his pomp? The same way Fergie Spent, Pep also Spent.

yea £400 million in 26 years and £400 million in 2 years. The difference is clear

Eruditor:
Extrapolate should we?

For e.g £30M for Rio in 2001 will be £70M now.

Wow! pulling math conversions out of the sky

elrony:
Why couldn't he "dominate" and "beast" this same league last season or was he banned?

Abegi!!!!

We thought he could take Zabaleta, Sagna, Kolarov, Nolito and co to new levels. But dominance only means spending more than the rest 19 teams on a whole new 11. So much for dominating

chic2pimp:
The term "Best" is a subjective one. What you consider "The best Side" would vastly defer from mine.

hallmark of any pep worshipper. Arguments for peps fallibility is always subjective. It's always based on how you see things not what the facts say. A team that won the FA Cup, Premier League And UCL is nothing near a Carabao Cup and EPL winner. You lot live in a cocoon

chic2pimp:
The same Fergie that was by some distance the highest spender in the league? Make we no go there abeg.

Is what i said fact or not? Fergie spent but he didn't go out buying a new 11 year after year.

raumdeuter:
Fergie spent 30yrs in the same club the richest team for many years and he made 4 finals, 2 of those finals he was bitchslapped by Guardiola including at Wembley

Let me know when Guardiola has made a UCL Final with City. For all we know he could be at City for 40 years, hand over to his Son for another 40 years and none wil still make a UCL final.

raumdeuter:
You can shove the league longest winning streak up your asss, and your team being 13points behind in April too

Is that your rebuttal? Weak like dodo. Go to bed but remember Guardiola is a fraud and Liverpool and United has now shown the world that.

chic2pimp:
You can't choose several fergie sides greater than this side in the premier league era. At best two most probably one.

So we are in agreement. This is not the best premier league team ever. Period!

chic2pimp:
Absolutely nothing. He continues to dominate every league He plys his trade in. Not only does He utterly dominate, He does it with a splendid brand of attacking footy.

Yea spending close to Fergie's total transfer expenditure in over 26 seasons in just 2 seasons. He really really dominates

eph12:
You miss road?

Na kwale weed..naso the effect be

brainiacadeboi:
how sure are u sir?

He says the things that happen in matches that we complain about. Means he sees them, he knows them and he is working on them. Compare that to the block heads we had after Alex Ferguson

chic2pimp:
How long Did He take fergie to reach the UCL final with united? Did Jose ever Reach the Finals with Chelsea? I'm confident Pep would get to atleast one CL whilst at city.

Which of those Fergie's sides are you refering too? Because this City side is one of the best ever to grace the Premier League

One of the best. You've answered your question. They are not the best. You can chose several Fergie teams as the best and you'll be correct.