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truthmans2012:


All of your above quotes are referring to the community of Israel. The Israelites lived by God's laws and were not allowed to practice paganism. They didn't leave their community to fight idol worshipers. Please note the phrases in bold.

SO it should be concluded that the old testament was for Israel and Israel alone? Present day Christians are not to live by Jehovah's law right?

I would also enjoin you to read Numbers 31 too.
Should we also conclude that all violence propagated under christianity in the past were borne out of personal vendetta?

The forceful conversion of pagans and Muslims alike were carried out to gain souls for who, if not Jehovah? The Christian kings that orchestrated these acts were israelites too? Were they reading another type of Bible with inspiration drawn from opium and not the Holy Spirit?

Except if you would disregard the old testament and say it was directed towards the Israelites, the Bible still remains one of the greatest book of violence in the history of Mankind!

Papist:

Invasion of Andalucia by Christians? Are you crazy? Andalucia was invaded by Moslems coming out of North Africa. Andalucia at that time had been Christian for more than 5 centuries. The Christian kings of Northern Spain simply liberated Andalucia from Islamic tyranny. I'm sure you also are unaware that modern Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and all Northern Africa were Christian before they were invaded and forced to convert by Moslem Arabs.

Islamic tyranny?
Christians were allowed to practice their religion during the period of Islamic Occupation, hope you knew what happened immediately Christianity gained the upper hand? Forced conversions were the order of the day. I should also say there were several massacres too.

All what was done was exactly in accordance to the Bible verses as I would quote below:

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any
of thy gates which the LORD thy God
giveth thee, man or woman, that hath
wrought wickedness in the sight of the
LORD thy God, in transgressing his
covenant;

17:3 And hath gone and served
other gods, and worshipped them, either
the sun, or moon, or any of the host of
heaven, which I have not commanded;

17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast
heard of it, and enquired diligently, and,
behold, it be true, and the thing certain,
that such abomination is wrought in
Israel;

17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth
that man or that woman, which have
committed that wicked thing, unto thy
gates, even that man or that woman, and
shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Are you still saying the all Merciful Jehovah would have survived till the present age without the decree of terror? Would he have survived without commanding Genocide?

On the prospect of Invasion, that was a weapon of subjugating tribes, expanding territories and gaining war bounties in the past.

If every other religion motivated by political resolve was doing this, should Muslims in the past watch their countries eroded by war? should they not have made efforts?

Since you guys claim christianity is so peaceful, why shouldn't the past Christian kings leave their fights for Jehovah? Didn't christ give the order of slap the right, turn the left?

I'm not in anyway supporting the terror acts propagated under the shade of Islam, all I'm saying is people should view matters objectively.

truthmans2012:


So you mean those children and women are not enemies by reason of their age and sex? Who told you women don't fight? If they killed only the men, they would still have retained their enemies who would raise war against them the future.

But where did you see anyone: Jews or Christians killing people to convert them?

Why are ISIL, Book Haram, alshabab, alqueda etc killing people? When were they first attacked?

Where in the Bible did God command the Jew and Christians to fight for him?

See what Muhammad himself said:

Sahih Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."

The difference here is: Muhammad was killing for allahh, why Israelites were fighting to defending themselves.

If you justify muslims unprovoked killings, I.wonder what you will be saying if you are unfortunate to be at the scene of bombing and your hands and legs are cut off by bomb.

I would like to refer you to Deuteronomy 7: 1-5,Your ever- merciful Jehovah clearly again commanded another genocide against the Canaanites. If the act against the amalakites was borne out of retaliation of which does not justify the killing of unarmed children and women,did the Canaanites attack the Hebrews first too? why is Jehovah so wicked? Why did he ask for an offensive against the Canaanites? Are there no other inhabited lands for the Hebrews to settle on?

If you talk about forced conversions, christianity was exactly at the peak of this during previous centuries.
Constantine 1 was an emperor in Rome, read his actions at forcefully converting pagans, who is he converting for, Jehovah?
You could graciously please read about the massacre of Verden too, 4500 humans were massacred for not converting to Christianity.

After the successful invasion of Spain, there was an upsurge to make Muslims convert too. A sharp contrast to what was obtained when Muslims were in power, everyone was allowed to practice his/her religion.

With these examples, would you still argue Christianity has had no violent past? Are all these acts not an avenue to gain souls for the pseudo-merciful Jehovah?

Stop tagging violence with a religion, christianity has done more than Islam propagating terror as commanded by the warlord Jehovah, who sees no bad in killing unarmed children and women.

truthmans2012:


Nonsense.

Some people wanted to exterminate the Israelites and you are saying they should have left them alone. How do you reason?

If muslims are attacking only those who attack them, who would blame them for senseless violence?

Bro calm down!
Even in modern warfare, you only attack people with weapons, in this case are soldiers. The ever merciful Jehovah in his whole encompassing mercy should be more compassionate when compared to an ordinary man!

If Jehovah could command an offensive against unarmed children and women, where is the compassion?
What happened to slap the right cheek, turn the left?

Why are you not giving a response on the invasion of Andalucia by Christians and the atrocities of the crusaders?

truthmans2012:


Read chapter 14, you will see how Amalekites first attacked and intended to destroy them.

Why are you islamists born liars?

And where were muslims killed by Christians fighting to convert them?

Undoubtedly, your allahh is Satan indeed.

Firstly, if Jehovah was merciful, even at the face of destruction, he should obviously have ordered retaliation against soldiers. Killing women and children is a very cruel way of responding to the amalekite offensive.

Secondly hope you've read about the crusaders too? Whose war are they fighting? The invasion of Andalucia where several Muslims were killed, several books were destroyed were acts based on what premise?

The bottom line is almost all religion has its own share of violence. Albeit, if Jehovah is truly a merciful god, why is all these happening under his watch? Does he not have the power to stop them?

NOTE: I'm not justifying the terrorist groups hiding under the shade of Islam!

1 Samuel 15:3
This is a verse commanding Genocide! A sane warlord would only fight soldiers, see the extent of mercy Jehovah is giving!!