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Why are Nigerians so damn greedy?

freshboi88:
There is no other deity you are permitted to give the same honor u give to Jehovah that would not amount to idolatry except Jesus.

If there is show me from scripture.

Rev 22: 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Jesus is also the First and Last, Beginning and End.

Man chooses who he wants to believe in and unfortunately there are false gods (deities) that are honored by many. Yah is our only true God.

freshboi88:
Jesus is God doesn't mean he is the same person as the Father YHWH.

And the scripture supports this.

John 5 is a perfect example of this:

John 5:16 So the Jewish leaders began harassingc Jesus for breaking the Sabbath rules. 17But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.” 18So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

Cross ref with Matthew

Matt 12: 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath

Again cross ref with leveticus

Lev 23:3“ ‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord.

So from this two passages, who owns the Sabbath again?...Jehovah or Jesus?

Who is Lord of the Sabbath again? Jesus says I am the Lord of the Sabbath!

I know u don't know what that means cos u read the scripture like a book..looking for where Jesus said I am God, worship me!

Interpretation: The Sabbath was made for men and not me because I am the Lord of the Sabbath. So you men cannot tell me what I can or cannot do on the Sabbath day. If this is not Jesus calling himself God then u must be brain dead!

Now Why can't men tell Jesus as the Son of God who is God but is different from YHWH what he can do and cannot do on the Sabbath?

Let me show u again: Are u ready ?

John 5:19 So Jesus explained, “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he is doing. In fact, the Father will show him how to do even greater works than healing this man. Then you will truly be astonished. 21For just as the Father gives life to those he raises from the dead, so the Son gives life to anyone he wants. 22In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge, 23so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

Interpretation: Because I am not Jehovah but I can do whatever I see Jehovah does. He can give life, so can I also give life to whomever I choose. And since he is Lord of the Sabbath, so also I am Lord of the Sabbath.

There are many deities that you may honor but there is only ONE God and he is YAH, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

Why would Yah need our praise and worship when he is all knowing and righteousness, why do he need our praising him to convince him how great he is?

Dtruthspeaker:
When you receive a gift do you just walk away with it? No you don't! (Unless of cause you are an evil ungratefull kid)

Upon receipt of the gift YOU IMMEDIATELY HAVE A DEBT TO ALSO GIVE, To He Who Has Given You.

That is The Law of "Do unto others as you want done to you". (The Law of Reciprocity)

Therefore, God GAVE!

YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A DEBT TO GIVE, IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW.

Else, you Owe, The Law!



And you have proven my Case.

We Christ Followers know and understand that ALL THE GOOD WE GET ARE GIFTS FROM GOD, THEREFORE, God is Always Giving To Us, AND THEREFORE, WE ARE ALWAYS FULL OF THANKS exactly as you have admitted

It Is That Thanks Which We Have Plenty of which WE GIVE IN RETURN TO HIM IN PRAISES AND THANKS-GIVING.

So while you keep your thanks to yourself, as you imply, We Do Not Keep Our Thanks To Ourselves, We Deliver Them To HIM, amongst our other givings, hence why it is called "Thanks Giving"!.

So it is settled then!

I see you lack reading comprehension skills because I clearly stated that I would be thankful and grateful for what is given to me and through my appreciation I would PAY IT FORWARD which means blessing someone else the way I have been blessed.

Dtruthspeaker:
When someone gives you a house, do you think thank you is enough to settle the debt? If you have been freely accommodated for a long duration or you have been thrown out of your house before, you would surely know that free shelter can not be paid for!

You are obviously young and under the protection of mummy and daddy. When you grow up and have a need for accommodation, then you would know the value of a house, not to even talk of a very nice house, which is also accompanied with free feeding etc.

There isn't any thing thought provoking about being thank full to A Person Who has given you great and mighty gifts.

1. If someone GIVES me a house or anything from the goodness of their heart, there is no DEBT to be paid. When you truly give there is no expectations behind it but clearly you are too young and selfish to understand true giving.

To give with the expectations of receiving is sinful, as far as I'm concerned you can keep the gift if it comes with conditions and demands.

2. I am all grown up and have been providing for myself through the grace of Yah for 10 years and have worked hard to purchase my own house and cars. It's not easy but it's possible with determination and savings

3. Someone who is truly giving to me has me in their heart and I am very thankful for that. How can being grateful for someone's kindness not provoke thoughtfulness?

MaxInDHouse:
You are welcome Sir!

I'm a woman.

budaatum:
That is not trolling! One must first understand what you mean. Imagine if your own worship is not the same as my own worship and we do not clarify it from the beginning!

He was trolling me from one topic to this one with the same question. I didn't ask to give me your personal interpretation of the word worship I wanted to be shown in the scriptures where the word WORSHIP applied to Adam by God

MaxInDHouse:
When God created Adam and Eve did you see the phrase "WORSHIP ME" anywhere in the Bible book of Genesis chapter 1-3?

Well God never said anything about WORSHIP throughout His dealings with Adam and Eve so that means if God's servants later talks about WORSHIP what they had in mind is deeper than what you think!

I agree, thanks for your thoughts.

Kobojunkie:
The kind of obedience God demands from man is not the kind that He commanded of those of the Old Covenant where He dictated that they honor their fathers and mothers. No, God demands that man submit to and obey His comandments and His commandments over that of any other god or master.
1. So when you simply obey your parents that does not amount to worship at all unless you also have your parents as gods over your existence. In that case, I will refer you to what God said in Jeremiah 17 vs 5.

2. Those you call primitive men obviously believe themselves god over those they command and those who submit to their whims do indeed worship them.

3. God commanded Adam to submit to and obey His Law or face judgement, hence God did indeed require that Adam to worship Him.

1. My point exactly, God did not instruct Adam nor us to worship him but to keep his commandments, worshipping him is all man made through religion.

2. Those primitive men AKA Africans and Arabs are being divorced by those wives whom can no longer withstand their egos.

3. As a child if I broke my father's rules there would surely be punishment place upon me but that doesn't mean my father commanded me to worship him, only to respect, obey and love him as he loved me

Dtruthspeaker:
If someone gave you a well furnished house, a job and left a little note saying "if you need any other thing just call" would you not be very very full and thanks?

You obviously did not know that worship is simply the act of giving pure thanks to He Who has given us much good things and is still waiting to give us more.

So God is not begging us or compelling us to worship Him, but because we are very much aware that He has given us all the good things we have seen and experienced and we are indeed happy for receiving these gifts, we show our gratitude by thanking He Who has given us so so much.

That is the primary reason why we Worship The Lord for it is very natural for us to love He Who loved us and has proven His love for us by giving us many many good and wonderful things, we like.

1. If someone did those things for me I would be very grateful and thank them for it but I wouldn't thank them Everytime I saw them I would rather pay it forward.

****2.***** This discussion is not my personal opinions it's an article I saw and I thought it would be an interesting debate.
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Dtruthspeaker I told you here.

3. Thank you for your opinions and input, very thought provoking.

Kobojunkie:
God required worship from Adam when God commanded Adam to obey Him in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17

Worship, in the context of the Bible, means you submit to and obey God's commandments/Law. And from Adam to the last man, that is all God asks and continues to ask of man - Obey God!

Good, Good, Good, this is what I knew you were going to say and needed you to say it

1. We are required to obey our parents and elders does that mean we are required to worship them?

2. Primitive husbands expect their wives to submit to them, obey their rules, even bow down to them while serving them meals, does that mean those husbands are to be worshipped?

3. God never instructed Adam to worship him.

mountmoriah:
I got you, but their is no way you won't fall into sins with this kind of debate, there are something you don't need to question, like where are the pillars of the sun and moon, or why do u dream and see things that suppose to happen tomorrow and it will happen exactly like that, why do things happen in this world that science can't explain

I'm not debating science today but scriptures. We sin everyday, so discussing the bible is a healthy discussion, that's how we learn.

Kobojunkie:
Again, how do you define worship? You ask a question but you need to provide details to help others properly comprehend that which you are indeed asking.

I don't have mindreading capabilities hence the reason why I ask for clarification from you.

I will ask the question so a child can understand it, if you still can't understand just move on.

Little one, can you tell me where in the scriptures God instructed Adam to WORSHIP him, dear?

Nevermind my definition of the word worship just show me the scripture where God instructed Adam to do so or admit there's no such scripture. Lose your false pride.

mountmoriah:
You are the one answering your questions and at the same time answering it.

I'm not answering my questions, it's called debating and I'm giving the readers something to debate, you get it?

Kobojunkie:
What exactly did Yah tell you when He supposedly created you with this free will you speak of?

Stop answering questions with questions, if you're not capable of debating this subject just move on to other topics, there's plenty you know. There's no need to troll.

Yah created us with free will, so should he be displeased if we choose not to worship him or is it truly about EGO

Yah is not elevated if we worship him neither is he lessened if we don't, so why do you think it is necessary to do so? Food for thought.

Let's debate. Tell me your thoughts.

Kobojunkie:
Again, what do you understand the word "worship" to mean?

Done!!!!

Kobojunkie:
Do you know know meaning of the word itself for you to ask me that question?

Answer my question with an answer not another question.

Mikecold:
Ok Good luck on this your father

But next time if you must talk on a Christian topic you must adopt accept our Christian new testament and our Jesus son of God

It is not you that isn't Christian that should tell Christian not to use new testament etc

There you go with your man made religion "Christianity" that didn't even exist during the time the scriptures were written. The scriptures were written for mankind not you followers of the Christ so get your head out of the sand and learn something.

This is my last reply to you.

Kobojunkie:
My definition of worship, you say. So, what other definition of worship is there, given by God?
Once we establish this, then we can maybe move forward in this.

Out of curiousity, when God created Adam and commanded Adam to obey Him, was God simply a messenger to Adam , and Adam simply called to be a follower of God then?

Also, when Jesus Christ proclaimed that He was the Truth of God - the very Words out of God's own mouth, are we to assume here that Jesus Christ lied ?

Where in the scriptures did Yah instruct Adam to worship him?

Mikecold:
Did you have anything to discuss before, you just want to run because i have turned the floodlight on you

There's no light to be turned on other than the light of my father. Who are you to run from?
I'm done with conversing with you and I have others things to do, why is that so hard for your ego to take? These are rhetorical questions please don't reply.

Audios!!

Kobojunkie:
This discussion is about Jesus Christ, God's very own New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God.
So, if you are unable to approach questions asked of Him, then it is OK to remove yourself from this.

I've answered your questions, in short, there is only one Yah and you Jesus was a prophet.

Kobojunkie:
How does this answer the question I asked you?

You claimed that my suggesting that the relationship we have with Jesus Christ is an eternal one is simply my interpretation and I ask you to tell me instead when you believe the relationship is slated to end then since you don't think that what we have is an eternal union.

When does Jesus Christ reign as King, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God end?

When do we seize to be His servants and He our master?

It has to end for Jesus Christ to not be the eternal King , Law, Master, Shepherd over those of us who belong to Him. So when does this union we have with Jesus Christ end?

I have only ONE master, ONE lord and savior and he is the ONE and ONLY Yah. There's nothing more to be said on this discussion, that confession clears it all

Mikecold:
Yea, that's what all Muslims say

If you don't want to belief in Jesus then debate as athiest

If you want to debate about Bible Jesus then you must debate him as the son of God

If you want to debate him as a prophet then that's the Muslim leopard spot that would never change

Just pick one instead of talking from both sides of the mouth

Now that you believe you are the wise prophet who can prophesize that I am a Muslim when I tell you I am not and have no reason to lie to a nobody about a religion that I have no connections with, this discussion is over. Continue with your false prophesizing.

Mikecold:
lol you stucked now abi

But same Yaweh gave Jesus authority in heaven and the earth

If the higher creatures are worshipping him then what stops the lesser earth he was given same authority

Do the Old testament say these things or Jesus the prophet followers?

Mikecold:
To you muslims he was prophet

I'm not a Muslim, I am of no religion which is man made, I believe in the Most High on a spiritual level and I am not an atheist.

Kobojunkie:
Was? Oh, I see!

Finally!

Mikecold:
can you explain this for verse for us

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”






Hebrew 1:8

But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God will last for ever and ever

a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

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1. We are not Yah's Angels.

2. You are talking about Yah's first born not Yeshua the Prophet.

Kobojunkie:
How does this answer the question I asked you?

You claimed that my suggesting that the relationship we have with Jesus Christ is an eternal one is simply my interpretation and I ask you to tell me instead when you believe the relationship is slated to end then since you don't think that what we have is an eternal union.

When does Jesus Christ reign as King, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God end?

When do we seize to be His servants and He our master?

It has to end for Jesus Christ to not be the eternal King , Law, Master, Shepherd over those of us who belong to Him. So when does this union we have with Jesus Christ end?

To make it short, Yeshua was a great prophet.