₦airaland Forum

hisinkship:
Food for tut,, Christ himself said He cometh like a tbief in the night, do u think you will recognise him when He comes? Will He be a Black Man, a White an Asian lol you talk about what u have knowledge of but actually dont UNDERSTAND


Christ actually means The Anointed One, tell me with what measure will you be able to ascertain or identify Him when He comes?

Also do you.think any sane youth my age will wake up with such a dream.

What pains me the most is your religious rigidity, which means that you even.prefare thie present system to what God is offering.

You are not a new breed of your kind, the pharisees & saducees did similarly.

I have asked for firgiveness on your.behalf any other thing afterwards is.on you.

I still pray tht God ignores your blasphemy because you dont.knw what you are doing.

God still loves you, therefore i cant love you less.

u need to read ur Bible well ...Dats y I talk to u like an ignorant person.... God DOESN'T WANT human rule....From d beginning in ur Bible was there a ruler for Adam and Eve apart from God...Humans demanded a ruler apart from God... That's y we r where we are....So whatever voices u r hearing about a system of government under ur rule is u going against the God u r proclaiming...So who is blaspheming Mr forgiveness of sins...

chemystery:
How about the belief system which says western education is a sin?

having a strong belief in something dat outputs frantic opinions dat can lead to just one death is wrong...But note not all Muslims r frantics or Christians r devoted encapsuled or atheists go about in forums looking to prove others dat they r intellectual superior Cos of their belief....Have u belief quietly

hisinkship:
Do you ever consider the consequences if this is really for real, it means you are telling the most high that He is Mentally Sick, if i who is given the calling is not spared, imagine what could happen to he that is not called but chooses to blasphem.

I pray strongly for you that God overlooks your ignorance and ignore your sin of verbal trespass.

Son your sins are forgiven in jesus name because you actually do not know what you are doing & more so you are not the enemy. Pls dont allow the devil use you as shield.

Like i wud always say...
God loves you, therefore I cant love you less.

in essence you are Jesus Christ coming to put God's system into the world...Cos according to the Bible..The system of Government present is d will of God for man till His son comes ...Now u r advocating a new system...Hmmm... Dat means if u r not d Christ...And ur system somehow takes hold in governing...And Christ comes...It wld b ur government system...He would overthrow...Lol...Food for thought...For ur little forgiving brain

No belief system should be castigated...

Whatever voices u are hearing is a symptom of mental illness...No go market sha...It is well

budaatum:
Please note, I have not claimed Europeans or westerner are intellectually superior to anyone. I live amongst them and have come across some very stupid people just as I have amongst black people and Nigerians! If I weren't intellectually more able than some of them, I and many others could not be in positions whereby we boss them around and get paid more than some of them for doing so!

I will take your admission that our progress was cut short as in, if it wasn't we might, or would, have progressed much further than they had. Facts for what prevailed are there for anyone curious enough to check.

I never said u were less intelligent or even more intelligent than them.....I am talking about misconceptions....I apologise if it came across as insulting

budaatum:
I am sure you could not have read only one book, but to claim I have not read any at all, or was repeating what I was told, is rather demeaning, don't you think?

And one does not only have to read the history of it but sociological development too. Take the relationship to gods, for instance. Start with the gods of Europe, and how the Europeans evolved their ideas of the gods over time. First they had many gods who intervened in everything, including the wind and individual peoples' fate. But gradually, they realised these gods of things were so absurd that they abandoned them all for one superior god who intervened in the wind and individual fate. 1800 years later, here they are abandoning that one god and becoming atheists. Now consider where we are on the god evolution scale. Atheism is only just now raising its head in Nigeria, and I reckon we would be bowing our heads to those gods for another hundred or so years. By then, the Europeans would most likely have built heaven itself!

a cure dat ensured ur survival before d Western intervention...No doubt dat d rest of the world seems more advanced than Africa most of our knowledge as of now comes from them to even understanding ourselves dat not withstanding...Only a very few Westerners would admit dat Africans are a unique brand of humans... Physically Intellectually equal to the rest of d world... Reading a book or two is helpful...Not saying u don't read....But it wld b a self serving nature dat would make me think dat in all generations of Africans dat have been on dis earth dat there were not intelligent ones..Dat found ways in politics sciences religious partices and other forms of enlightenment...Considering dat I am who I am now...Means dat there were people like me...If there were people like me then...One or two may have some ideas in some aspect of life is all I am saying...We had our development cut short because d smartest person in d room believed we were d dumbest...But have u ever thought dat our dumbness may b d smartest...

budaatum:
So, someone must have told it to me? I guess you are right, after all someone did write the books I read on the topic. Regardless, one still has to make up ones own mind after reading numerous books on both sides of a subject. Or are you suggesting one read one book and run with it?

Not all Africans share my view, and it is not the case that the west was more developed than everywhere in Africa at all times. There were some parts of Africa i.e. Egypt, that were very advanced in their day. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that the area known as Nigeria was ever one of them. There are no significant historical artifacts showing development of the type found in the west, or Egypt, for that matter, and we still have not dug any to rewrite our history to show such claimed past prowess. Note how vaxx did not even bother mentioning the Oyo Empire in his list of African empires!

Vaxx claims there was no significant wars or slavery prior to the arrival of invaders. What he does know and does not mention was that there actually were wars, and for the express purpose of acquiring land, slaves and for sacrifices to the gods, for I am certain he knows that Ogun and Sango required human sacrifices though you would find it hard to find it in the records. As hard as finding evidence of human sacrifices in Europe I dare mention, though there is about 1500 years between when it happened in either.

Anyway, it is a very emotive topic, and most will take sides. However, the evidence is out there that the area today known today as Nigeria has not got a lot to claim we were ever more advanced than the western world, to my greatest disappointment.

I just hope our great days are ahead of us.

do a research on Kano and Benin...U will find ur historical evidence there... Now imagination a cure or preventive method dat preserved a people from Extinction...No backward people could come up with such knowledge...Now imagination dat cure or preventive method advancing with time..Not interrupted...The west had wars to numerous to mention...We had wars too...Human scarification and cannibalism were all world related issue not just Africa or Nigeria in particular... Those practices were done by d Westerners too in Sreach of higher purpose or hunger as d case may be... Diseases were a world wide problem too....The black plague or death was one of such dat engulfed Europe...the incurable flu no Western medicine has been able to combat successful....I don't just read a book or two or three to have a vision of d world before my exsistance...Or take d Victor's account on history... the west is so advance on d back of exploitations....Even their own history acknowledges dat....Now the exploitations have taken a new twist... Intellectual harvesting....

budaatum:
And I wish my admiration were misplaced, but I cannot claim that to be the case considering my personal experience in both places.

Ordinary illnesses are ravaging our nation but who is spending billions trying to eradicate those illnesses? Westerners! And what are we doing? Praying! Do you know there are more Nigerian doctors practising outside Nigeria than remain in Nigeria? Come to UK to see where they would rather work. Not one single person would chose Nigerian healthcare over what prevails in Europe. Most would also choose to go outside Nigeria to study if they had the means. Go to any airport in Nigeria to witness the direction Nigerians would rather travel. Europe. Ask them why, and they'd tell you. Check the flow of money, and you'd see where ordinary folks send theirs. Nigeria. And not the other way round unless you stole it and were looking for a place to hide it, or were buying the superior commodities one can't get in Nigeria.

But that's all today, I guess. I've said what the past was like, and vaxx has detailed an opposing view. If we had been superior, our influences would have dominated the western world, but that does not seem to be the case, unfortunately, and only a smattering of our stuff seems to have travelled outside our nation, unless one considered our people, and our financial wealth, which just further increase our poverty more than anything else.

vaxx IS NO historian...but he found out all that....Some I didn't even know about....D west was built on d backbone of Africa through exploitations... Check Western history and d simple reason is this...They gave u a comb not as a gift but as a trade...It's still happening today.... Blood diamonds ask urself y...No refineries in one of d largest oil producing nation...Ask urself y...The taxes u pay by being there is their major source of income.... they have no product base except "the comb"... It's made by us and so superior...Look for the book how the west underdeveloped Africa...I think dats d title...It's sad dat most Africans share ur veiws...And don't ask y educated Westerners are in Africa and not their land flowing with milk and honey...In spite of our diseases and instability..Like I said before ur reality shouldn't b based on what someone else has told u is real but looking at all d available information and judging for urself wat is real...I am not saying Nigeria but Africa...Or d UK but Westerners as oppose to Easterners

budaatum:
Kovah, I am unfortunately pivoted on the side of western superiority over Nigeria, a side most Nigerians would shirk from holding because it would seem like denigrating my own. Unfortunately, sentiment aside, history is there to observe who had the advantage. It would depend which periods one is considering, of course, for a like for like comparison.

One indicator is history. The more developed a nation was in the past, the more historical records there are showing that development. Go and search for written history about Africa, and you'd find we hardly kept any. How could we have been as developed as nations that kept more detailed and older historical records?

Writing, another indicator, was non-existent in Nigeria until the arrival of Islam and Arabic. It is why our alphabet had to be created by westerners, and along western lines.

Now consider art. Western art had advanced way further than art had in Nigeria by the 1500s, and even our Nok art, which could be called sculptures, had been significantly superseded by the time we were making that art. The reason the Westerner stole ours was not because it was superior, but because, in their opinion, we had never been able to produce such things, and because they were in a superior position so as to steal it without us being able to do anything about it!

Religion, is another indicator of social advancement . Our religions, by the time the westerners arrived, were disjointed, and in Yorubaland, even the worship of the same gods was not universal across neighbouring societies. What Ogun and Sango requested of it's adherents in one community was not necessarily what Ogun and Sango requested in a neighbouring community, whereas, by about 1000AD, Yahweh, was pretty much supreme in most of Western Europe. They had abandoned the equivalent archaic gods of Zeus and Aphrodite, to name a couple, years before and long after some still clung on to Ogun and Sango and still do in current Nigeria! It is Yahweh's superiority that has overwhelmed our gods and turned them into what most refer to as demons today, sadly. If our gods had united and united us, Yahweh would have easily been repelled.

And in case you do not know, Islam had been invading western Nigeria long before the arrival of the westerner. Some have claimed that trans-sahara slavery, a consequence of those invasions, resulted in more people enslaved than those enslaved in the trans-atlantic slave trade!

Then look at philosophy. While Egypt, an African nation, was very well advanced in this by the beginning of the first millennium, albeit couched behind the veil of the gods Osiris et al, Europe was having much more involved discourse about philosophical ideas while Nigeria wasn't.

Now fast forward to the 16th Century. The Western European was travelling the world in very large vessels and covering distances we never imagined existed. They were using ideas and technology we knew nothing of and were able to exploit the void in our knowledge. While they were staring at the moon and planets and writing thesis about them, we were afraid to enter the forests in our backyards least gbomogbomo takes us away and sell us as slaves.

Then consider today. Yes, they impose their ideas and technology on us, but it must be noted that they do not exactly have to over exert themselves for us to accept it. And our acceptance is not out of ignorance but out of acknowledgment of the superiority of what they produce compared to what we produce. Or who amongst us would chose to purchase a made in Nigeria car or phone if they can afford a second hand western made and already used to death one? Do we even make any of these things? Even our said cars are run on imported petrol, and in a country that is amongst the top ten producers of the raw product from which that petrol is made!

And for your information, oil was first discovered at the Oloibiri Oilfield on Sunday 15 January 1956 by Shell Darcy after a lot of exploration by many other western companies. The westerners did let you go after it was discovered though as you wrongly claim, and, they kept their grubby fingers on that oil until we kicked them out with various Indigenisation Bills starting in the early 70s.

I mention all this because of the consequence of not realising as a nation, how far we have developed compared to other nations. Japan, the Land of the Rising Sun, too thought they were superior until the might of the west showed them they weren't, which propelled them to do something about it. China, the most populous nation on earth, realised how far backward they had gotten, and have done a great leap forward to rectify the situation. The Arab world took one look at the objective reality, and while they claim Allah is superior, they accept that a thatched hut in the desert can not be said to be superior to the magnificent stone buildings built in the west. They have been doing quite a lot to rectify the situation . But we Nigerians imagine a glorious past where we were superior and so do nothing to move us forward, while the reality is that we recede further backward compared to the more developing nations.

While the West base their progress on objective reality and build institutions of technology, we seem to think miracles would prevail and build temples in which to pray to gods we create with our imaginations, an ideology the west abandoned centuries ago when they realised it was taking them into darkness which we are in now!

There is a consequence to building up subjective imaginary realities in our heads and refusing to face the objective facts, and it's like believing one can survive in a room that the oxygen has been sucked out of! I think we agreed what the end of that folly is.

hmmmm interesting...All d ideal u admire in d west or wat they still strive 4 is evident in ur post... Religious freedom....Not a streamlined worship of their ideas...We had dat... Historical we had our languages and ways and surprisingly if u check Google...We have sea faring...But not as a means to impose but as trade..3 Rd oldest vessel...Find out... African were thriving in Europe b4 d west invaded Africa... Check Benin and Greek genes and know how many African were in Greek the center of enlightenment... Read the 3 musketeers again then check d author...Do a comparison on NOK and Benin art in their ages in relation to Western art.. Check lugard' s diary and d Benin wall and most in comparison to d China wall and tell me they are superior...Ur advancements as an African was cut short ...Now check modern music... Science... Technologies.... Education...The west is afraid of u...They will not willing acknowledge africa

budaatum:
Kovah, I am unfortunately pivoted on the side of western superiority over Nigeria, a side most Nigerians would shirk from holding because it would seem like denigrating my own. Unfortunately, sentiment aside, history is there to observe who had the advantage. It would depend which periods one is considering, of course, for a like for like comparison.

One indicator is history. The more developed a nation was in the past, the more historical records there are showing that development. Go and search for written history about Africa, and you'd find we hardly kept any. How could we have been as developed as nations that kept more detailed and older historical records?

Writing, another indicator, was non-existent in Nigeria until the arrival of Islam and Arabic. It is why our alphabet had to be created by westerners, and along western lines.

Now consider art. Western art had advanced way further than art had in Nigeria by the 1500s, and even our Nok art, which could be called sculptures, had been significantly superseded by the time we were making that art. The reason the Westerner stole ours was not because it was superior, but because, in their opinion, we had never been able to produce such things, and because they were in a superior position so as to steal it without us being able to do anything about it!

Religion, is another indicator of social advancement . Our religions, by the time the westerners arrived, were disjointed, and in Yorubaland, even the worship of the same gods was not universal across neighbouring societies. What Ogun and Sango requested of it's adherents in one community was not necessarily what Ogun and Sango requested in a neighbouring community, whereas, by about 1000AD, Yahweh, was pretty much supreme in most of Western Europe. They had abandoned the equivalent archaic gods of Zeus and Aphrodite, to name a couple, years before and long after some still clung on to Ogun and Sango and still do in current Nigeria! It is Yahweh's superiority that has overwhelmed our gods and turned them into what most refer to as demons today, sadly. If our gods had united and united us, Yahweh would have easily been repelled.

And in case you do not know, Islam had been invading western Nigeria long before the arrival of the westerner. Some have claimed that trans-sahara slavery, a consequence of those invasions, resulted in more people enslaved than those enslaved in the trans-atlantic slave trade!

Then look at philosophy. While Egypt, an African nation, was very well advanced in this by the beginning of the first millennium, albeit couched behind the veil of the gods Osiris et al, Europe was having much more involved discourse about philosophical ideas while Nigeria wasn't.

Now fast forward to the 16th Century. The Western European was travelling the world in very large vessels and covering distances we never imagined existed. They were using ideas and technology we knew nothing of and were able to exploit the void in our knowledge. While they were staring at the moon and planets and writing thesis about them, we were afraid to enter the forests in our backyards least gbomogbomo takes us away and sell us as slaves.

Then consider today. Yes, they impose their ideas and technology on us, but it must be noted that they do not exactly have to over exert themselves for us to accept it. And our acceptance is not out of ignorance but out of acknowledgment of the superiority of what they produce compared to what we produce. Or who amongst us would chose to purchase a made in Nigeria car or phone if they can afford a second hand western made and already used to death one? Do we even make any of these things? Even our said cars are run on imported petrol, and in a country that is amongst the top ten producers of the raw product from which that petrol is made!

And for your information, oil was first discovered at the Oloibiri Oilfield on Sunday 15 January 1956 by Shell Darcy after a lot of exploration by many other western companies. The westerners did let you go after it was discovered though as you wrongly claim, and, they kept their grubby fingers on that oil until we kicked them out with various Indigenisation Bills starting in the early 70s.

I mention all this because of the consequence of not realising as a nation, how far we have developed compared to other nations. Japan, the Land of the Rising Sun, too thought they were superior until the might of the west showed them they weren't, which propelled them to do something about it. China, the most populous nation on earth, realised how far backward they had gotten, and have done a great leap forward to rectify the situation. The Arab world took one look at the objective reality, and while they claim Allah is superior, they accept that a thatched hut in the desert can not be said to be superior to the magnificent stone buildings built in the west. They have been doing quite a lot to rectify the situation . But we Nigerians imagine a glorious past where we were superior and so do nothing to move us forward, while the reality is that we recede further backward compared to the more developing nations.

While the West base their progress on objective reality and build institutions of technology, we seem to think miracles would prevail and build temples in which to pray to gods we create with our imaginations, an ideology the west abandoned centuries ago when they realised it was taking them into darkness which we are in now!

There is a consequence to building up subjective imaginary realities in our heads and refusing to face the objective facts, and it's like believing one can survive in a room that the oxygen has been sucked out of! I think we agreed what the end of that folly is.

hmmmm interesting...All d ideal u admire in d west or wat they still strive 4 is evident in ur post... Religious freedom....Not a streamlined worship of their ideas...We had dat... Historical we had our languages and ways and surprisingly if u check Google...We have sea faring...But not as a means to impose but as trade..3 Rd oldest vessel...Find out... African were thriving in Europe b4 d west invaded Africa... Check Benin and Greek genes and know how many African were in Greek the center of enlightenment... Read the 3 musketeers again then check d author...Do a comparison on NOK and Benin art in their ages in relation to Western art.. Check lugard' s diary and d Benin wall and most in comparison to d China wall and tell me they are superior...Ur advancements as an African was cut short and an ideal dat was not

vaxx:
This is easily refuted but i will let it go as it is between you and kovah

vaxx who colonised the colonials...War.. Their way of living... Disease...Famine...Plagues...The black death... Development in science... Knowledge of animal behavior....A question working a 9 to 5 and saving for ur necessaries food clothing shelter and a billionaire comes to ur home and gives u an investment plan dat wld take 60 years to manifest....U would abandon all ur survival cos he is richer Dan u...

budaatum:
Of course you can insult, but you wouldn't insult me, and of course, you see no need to. Like I said, I know how you treat me and whatever opinion you may have about me is irrelevant, at the moment.

Just imagine if with no evidence, I decide in my head that you think I am a fool and insult me in your mind, can you see how I might begin to attack you for no reason? Then I bet you would insult me back, and before we know it you and I would be at war, caused by me cooking up false ideas of your opinion of me in my head. I'd also have to lie and say you insulted me first! Millions die for such stupidity and there are numerous threads on here where it has been done! Hopefully, you and I will not be contributing to that number.

Nigerians often claim we were advanced, but the facts don't support that view. We didn't have an alphabet for instance, until Arabic was brought from the North, and sparsely at that. Our medicine was very backward, and the artisanship was rather basic compared to what prevailed elsewhere.

The colonisers were actually able to colonise us because we lacked the things you claim we had. And we adopted western ideas because we found their's to be superior to what we had. Or why would we abandon our Obatala and Ogun for Allah and Yahweh or allow them to enslave us if we were superior in any way whatsoever. If we truly did have those things you claim we had, we would have been able to repel the westerners with their ideology!

Do note that no nation develops without external influence. Britain was colonised by the Romans, and Americas by the Europeans. Even Japan and China was influenced by invaders!

all wrong...We were farmers and fishermen and no counting system ...Wrong...We had d NOK art and Benin bronze day was stolen by d west if they had better Artisans y bother with yours... Religious freedom of worship didn't put d northern Nigeria and southern Nigeria in a historical conflict...The Westerners did dat cause d northern region had adapted Islam...So wrong again...They were not better than us... Historical evidence proves dat...They saw a people to b exploited...So here we are....If they had seen d oil ... they wouldn't have given us independent...We were a business venture for them...

budaatum:
I know you are stating the way you see things, but you are stating them for others to hear it and so you would be engaged, which is what I am doing. It is how one gains understanding. So.

"Not possible", but "not impossible"? You will have to explain that to me. Mathematical logic makes both phrases mean 'possible', and 'impossible'. Is there a typo there somewhere?

it's not possible in our understanding of things right now to say if we are being subjectively or being objectively correct in whatever analysis of science but all d efforts in science right now is streamlined towards making a better human existence...No scientific research I know of is intentionally trying to make human existence worse...So science as of now is subjective to human survival...So in a way baise....Dat said it is not impossible dat science can b used objectively with d human factor involved

budaatum:
So let's not even bother trying and do the exact opposite as op has done, right? I don't share this view, sorry. It is the justification of mediocrity and intellectual laziness!

And it is possible. Proper scientists, and honest people do it all the time.

I didn't say don't bother I said it's not possible not impossible...I stated d way I see things dats all

budaatum:
Butter, how can I possibly have such a detailed discussion on the same issue with vaxx for so long and then post the exact same thing here, which corresponds with what you wrote, which is why I reposted it, and then be accused by you of doing so unknowingly? I demand an apology please. You see disagreement where none exists!

kovah, can you see how people build up imaginary realities in their heads?


And as vaxx and I rightly pointed out, such subjectivity should be eliminated as much as possible or don't call it scientific. It should not be license to stoop to their level.


When people do what you describe here sensible people call them crackpots.

If they tweak parameters and build a bridge on such premises, the bridge will fall down, and if they did the same when building a rocket to go to Mars they will end up in the Atlantic ocean!

making sense of our realities in d scientific way and hoping it will not b subjective to our reality is not possible

budaatum:
I do know how people see me. I even told you, a 'people', how you see me. If I am wrong, do tell, or is that what you meant when you wrote "Third my idea of u isn't what u protested not even close.." If so, prove it. Show me where you insult me! Or are rude to me, or think I have no right to have my opinion!

As to backwardness, We, Nigeria, don't have running water, our gutters do not go round the street corner, our waste is not centrally collected, we have constant electricity failures, government employees are not paid salary when due, our roads are not well repaired, our hospitals are not well equipped, our children die of diseases that can easily be avoided or treated, and so on and so on... We are backward, and I don't have to be a westerner to say so!

Some humans may lack tolerance, and some do not.

don't insult cos there is no need to....But dat doesn't mean I can't...I just see it as necessary...We had a well organized system b4 colonization...A health system...Good roads dat impressed Lord lugard....Walls as high as d China wall... Sanitary system.. Artisans skilled in arts... Medicine...poetry...technology.But d Westerners never let us develop in our own way... They forced their doctrines on us...So we are not us as we should be ...But us as they told we should be...We were d dumb child learning but our parent decided their way was better and here we are agruing their ideology

budaatum:
Hmm. Remember the conversation we had about oxygen, and the fallacy of making things up in one's head and calling it reality?

I can't see into the heart of another person, so all I have is how they treat me. Making things up about people with no supporting evidence is indicative of a mental illness, schizophrenia, to be precise, paranoia at the very least.

Who thinks you live in trees? Don't they fly planes to your countries to visit you? Please stop making up a false reality in your head! It is unhealthy!


You, kovah, are people around me. And I know I just said I cannot see into people's hearts, but I'll have a go anyway:

I think you regard me very highly and respect my right to hold my opinion. You would never be rude to me, or even think of insulting me.

Go on, tell me I don't know how you regard me!

As to the next generation doing as they please, that goes without saying. Each generation does as they please so what's new. Give enough time and Nigerian men will even marry other men as Nigerian women too will marry women. It is the next logical step, as you mention. Or do you think we don't have gay people in our country already?


Religion is the worst type of indoctrination there is, and that is mental slavery. Intelligent people don't go around looking for what to believe, they go about seeking knowledge instead. But religion is not about knowledge, it is about belief, even when there is no evidence whatsoever to support said beliefs!

So, who should be emancipating themselves, I dare wonder?


I am sure there are some things you just freely choose to outright reject. Murder would be a classic example, and perhaps stealing. Do you reject these things because of some mental prison? Be that as it may be, I reserve the right to reject unfounded beliefs when I can go and seek knowledge instead. I just find it impossible to believe in the absurd.

Do note, I 'indoctrinate' my child with "thou shalt not kill" and wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a vegetarian!

first not realizing how people see you is putting on rose coloured glasses... Second do ur research on Africa and how d Western world veiws the African continent... Hollywood n other social media education...Then u can tell me they don't think us backward...Third my idea of u isn't what u protested not even close... Fourth intelligent people do look for what to believe in dat y there r some many advancements in all aspects of life...Cos of dreamers and believers.... Fifth tolerance is what we as humans lack...We can't tolerate anything dat is not in anyway convince to our understanding.... Like me trying to get u to open up ur child's mind eye to everything...U can't tolerate dat.... Sixth yes religion is a problem cause it separates every human into different categories....I wouldn't reject murder of a pedophile or stealing in a Robin Hood manner...

PastorDavidAwuj:
Exhortation.

Understanding The Demands of Profitable Stewardship.

In this Kingdom, there is a channelled procedure for you to be rewarded.

You must be serving heartily, cheerfully, willingly, and it must be love motivated, like we have discussed all week.

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord,

forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Today we are talking about serving God diligently.

This means doing service consciously with the whole of your mind- doggedly committed to it.

When you see service as an assignment that must be accomplished, you cannot fail.

Hebrews 11:6 ... for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Are you serving God diligently? That's the question to keep asking yourself. Are you diligent in the business of Kingdom advancement?

A diligent man has commitment from his heart to whatever he is doing. You cannot fail when you are diligently committed to this assignment.

Proverbs 22:29 Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.

Moreover, you must serve God sacrificially. A sacrifice will cost you something but you shall return in joy with a bountiful harvest.

Psalms 126:5 They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.

Let your giving be sacrificial, let your commitment be sacrificial, let whatever service you render in this Kingdom be sacrificial.

If serving God does not cost you anything, you have not started yet.

Receive grace for diligent service in Jesus name.

Amen.

Hallelujah

name one person not related to you or attends ur church dat u have done works for

budaatum:
I agree. And if what I shoved down my child's throat was religious indoctrination, I must burn in hell for making my child dumb like me. But I am lucky. My own 'indoctrination' was the sort whereby I was given the information to make up my own mind and that's the indoctrination I will give to my child. But let us not delude ourselves that if I were a Jesus person, I would allow my child to be indoctrinated into Islam. Its my child, and like everyone with regards to their child, I will not let my apple fall too far from me the tree.


My parents were wishy washy Christians (well, somewhat, when they had me), and though I was baptised, they never shoved religion down my throat, partly because they were too busy working, and mostly because of their wishy washy Christianity. Tomorrow though, Thursday, my ma will go to Bible Study and ask questions like "How can Mary born Jesus without sleeping with Joseph?", and return and say " buda, you must accept Christ into your life!"

Education where I grew up was as I described though, so you can see how I might turn out as I have opinion wise. And since I think it is so good, why would I not ensure my child reasons as I do? If I were a Jesus person, is it not also my duty to make sure my child goes to the same heaven I will be going to? In fact, how can I believe I will go to heaven if I allow my child to think and believe things that will take it to hell?


Oh, it significantly has. Said Khan, a Muslim, would never have been elected as Mayor of the whole of London prior to 9/11.


Temper that with Barack Obama, a black President of America. Doesn't that say something?

The equivalent in UK would be our riots and all. We even have political parties that promote bigotry, the English Defence League, British National Party, UK Independence Party, but go check how badly they do in the polls.


Thank you. If I wanted to elevate myself, I will claim I am educating my child, but we had a discussion on here where KingEbukasBlog and some others argued that all educating is indoctrination, and I use the word in the sense they proposed. If I find the thread I will post a link.


Oh, I know that. And that's why it is my duty to feed my child what I call my wheat and not what some other person calls food. They can feed my chaff or their own chaff to their own child if they want to!

the Holocaust was brought about by Hitler's ideology but he didn't personally lite d fire dat burnt millions of Jews neither did he personally kill and torture Jews... He tapped into wat d majority of Germans in dat time were thinking but not acting on....Trump wants to build a wall and he was elected... The true nature of man isn't wat he does dat u can see but wat is hidden in his heart ...In d UK u mentioned blacks r killed by young minds dat have not been educated well enough to know dat we r all same...If they knew d technological advancements Africans had b4 d colonials came...They would not think we still to dis day live in trees....But they have no idea dat we have technologies....So they treat us in dat context...No matter wat u perceive in ur situation...If u had an iota of idea how d people around u regard u...U would see dat letting d next generation accept all ideas and discern those ideas for them selves is d next logical step in our enlightenment... Religion is d reason for majority of d world issues...D fact dat a mind is stream lined into thinking dat his way is d only way or d right way will only lead to destruction...Emacipate yourselves from your mental slavery... Accept all even if u don't understand them...Hear listen learn... Don't separate or disassociate or condemn cause of your mental prison... Freedoms of choice is d only real thing we have.... Taking it away from an unformed mind...Is creating a path of destruction...Creating killers who justify killings cause they know nothing abt d people they kill or were taught to see those people as in d wrong....

budaatum:
This too was DeLioncourt 's opinion, that I should introduce all views to my child instead of shoving my own crap down it's throat. I think he thought I intended to shove 'Jesus' down my child's throat. You may read the convo here.

Now, be honest, and I assume you are a Jesus person as opposed to a Muhammedan. Have you ever been to a Mosque, read a Quran or studied Islam? Were you given all the information and told to make up your own mind? Will you introduce your child to the Quran, take it to a Mosque or teach it Islam and tell it to make up its own mind? Would you go much further and 'teach' your child about other religions too and ask it to make up its own mind? Were you not indoctrinated into your current worldview? Would you also not shove your own worldview down your child's throat?

I have read parts of d Koran...Yes I am a Jesus person...I also know I am not d smartest person in any room I enter.... Neither am I d dumbest...But I understand dat d dumbest can teach d smartest person...My child could b d smartest person and me d dumbest...So should I make my child dumb cos I am dumb?

By the way, the law where I live does not allow religious indoctrination in schools anymore. Students are taught about all religions and ideas of gods etc in religious studies as part of the curriculum even in religious schools, and any school seen not to do so will be heavily sanctioned and eventually closed down if they do not desist. The consequence is that the veil religion uses to invoke belief has been removed, thank gott!.[/quote]So even if a child wants to learn more abt a religion u know little or nothing abt...He or she is limited in knowledge.....Dats a very good schooling system..... The increase in knowledge about other religions is on the whole why religious bigotry has reduced significantly in the country. .[/quote]...You kid yourself dat it has reduced....or the religious upset towards Muslims....was reduced..After 9 11..We also teach about personal choices and differences and family has been redefined so children do not find it strange that Billy has two mummies or Jane has two daddies. And we teach that it doesn't matter if you're black or white, we all bleed red blood, and the consequence is that racism has significantly been reduced[/quote]. And the protest dat BLACK LIVES MATTER was very reduced.....And just so you know, I approve of how we educate our children in the society I live in. It is how I was educated and I like me very much for it.[/quote]good for you

It is my opinion that it is irresponsible for a parent to allow others to fill their child's head with stupid ideas, and if anyone is going to fill my child's head with stupid, I got enough stupid (which in my case, but obviously not everyone else's, will be equipping it with the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff, and not just telling it "this is the wheat, and this is the chaff" ), of my own thank you! You sir are very welcome to allow others to fill your child's head for you![/quote]ur chaff is someone's food

budaatum:
I wonder why people do this, "Putting ur reality b4 others...or challenging others reality". Might it be because peoples' perception affect others?

Consider homosexuality for instance. What business is it of the non-participators. Now consider Christianity itself! I am sure if they didn't claim those who don't believe what they believe are fools, why would anyone be against them? But when they go into schools and start teaching my child 'Jesus Christ', 'eternal life', 'you're going to hell', 'God', I insist that it becomes my duty to ask if the existence being imposed is the right one, sorry!

nothing is forced down any child's throat ...It's a life choice if ur child welcomes homosexuality or Christianity... It's dat child's decision...You can go to d school and challenge whoever is doing dat...But u r just limiting dat child's choices in life perception... Making u d one forcing ur own perception of reality on dat child...Let ur child hear ur ideas and others and understand his or her own reality

MaziOmenuko:
Lol...you don't get it do you? we don't fvcking care! We'd rather care about living a moral and just life than indulge in an unending argument about both the flying spaghetti monster and a thousand acclaimed supreme beings: its an endless cycle that sucks your energy.

If a last day comes and the christian god appears to be real, we join the muslims and other religious practitioners to hell fire gladly. If the muslim god appears to be real, we gladly join christians and others to Allah's hellfire. If none of them are real, we take our own firewood, matches and fuel and start our own hellfire.

Simple.

very presumptuous lifestyle....But it's yours

budaatum:
I think a certain buda implied that the analogy comparing air to gods was incorrect.

One is invisible, while the other is a figment of the imagination!

no vex

budaatum:
Kovah, are you trying to breath in your own 'real' air? Please oh, if its not got Oxygen in it, you will die of asphyxiation! And that's an absolute truth!

lmao I breathe in Oxygen o but not 100% Oxygen o

MuttleyLaff:
Try and live on nitrogen, helium and whatever the other elements with the exception of oxygen
and lets see how long you'll last being alive without breathing in oxygen
and having its reactive quality break down your food molecules to give you energy....My apologies I thought I was replying someone intelligent.... Oxygen isn't d only component of d air...It doesn't exist on its own...Dat is y I said air in my references in ur bid to outsmart yourself u corrected me on something dat u don't understand...But it's not my place to educate u

I dont see the purpose of quoting Revelation 4:4.
It and all you wrote that followed are worth nothing apart from being a straw man

u haven't heard of the 24 elders but they exist along side the heavenly host in d Christian narrative...So saying my anology of comparing air u can't see to a god or gods u can't see is incorrect...There are some many components to air as there are to d god concept....I thought dat was clear enough

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budaatum:
This is the reason I argue subjectivity with vaxx!

Reality is not based on perception at all! For one, there is quite a lot of reality that is not perceived by anyone. The planets were after all real even though no one knew they existed! Or would you claim they suddenly came into existence when someone looked up at them? And one's ability to perceive itself might be so compromised so one doesn't clearly see.
So when there is another set of empirical value is added to d solar system as u know it... Somehow ur perception of living or existing changes.....Hmmm mm...
What you are saying is personal is not necessarily reality as what is real cannot be personal alone. Let me suggest words like "one's perception", "point of view", "subjective reality", and even the obnoxious "subjective truth" as introduced to me recently, instead.

real is based on perception ....Tell a blind man about his point of view...And tell him it's cannot be personal...Or tell a deaf name...His hearing of words is subjective truth or subjective reality...His perception of the world is his alone...

budaatum:
This is the reason I argue subjectivity with vaxx!

Reality is not based on perception at all! For one, there is quite a lot of reality that is not perceived by anyone. The planets were after all real even though no one knew they existed! Or would you claim they suddenly came into existence when someone looked up at them? And one's ability to perceive itself might be so compromised so one doesn't clearly see.

What you are saying is personal is not necessarily reality as what is real cannot be personal alone. Let me suggest words like "one's perception", "point of view", "subjective reality", and even the obnoxious "subjective truth" as introduced to me recently, instead.

these planets are not important to a lion when he is chasing his prey...Is it?...The only living things dat bothers about the solar system is d human....The animals have accepted d universal concepts dat provide d seasons dat provide their nutrients...U don't see a shark having a philosophical reasoning when it's hungry... Obviously u want to put ur own perception on me to accept your own reality...Lol

Reality is based on perception...A bed bugs perception is based on its feeding habits...A dog's perception is based on smell... Money in d bank Is based on perception....its ones and zeros on a computer...U don't have it physically but when u want it is there...We all have our reality.... Putting ur reality b4 others...or challenging others reality...Is saying they don't have a right to live or exist cos ur existence is d right one

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MuttleyLaff:
We know from elementary science why the need of air
For clarity sake, air, as in, meaning oxygen





Only God's Spirit gives new life.
The Spirit is like the wind that blows wherever it wants to.
You can hear the wind, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going.
- John 3:8

And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man became a living soul.
-Genesis 2:7

When Jesus therefore had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!”
And He bowed His head, and gave up His spirit.
- John 19:30

Death is what would happen, as what you sucked out was God

Think pneuma,
or if your preference is Hebrew, think ruach
to realise, it is God, somewhat, sucked out
Same somewhat God, the breath of life, breathed in man

when I say air I mean air...Air consists of oxygen nitrogen helium and other elements... Oxygen is what sustains life...But there are other elements dat consist of our atmosphere dat make oxygen d life sustaining element it is....Revelation 4:4 declares, “Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.”.... don't take a part of d gospel dat is preferable to you...Just because you know nothing about the 24 elders in d scriptures... Doesn't mean they don't exist...