₦airaland Forum

Justnotyou:
Africa has the resources by far say longer coastline, raw materials so there are very few strategies that will help you there.

Can you elaborate on how having a longer coastline or raw materials for that matter will help you in a military confrontation ?

Justnotyou:
You're misinformed, Africa has stepped up for other countries before, when they were far more poorer & not united, the Angolan Bush War, I'm not about to copy paste all of them here so help yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa

In a hypothetical scenario that involves Africa & not the 55 nations expect nothing less...

Well you can also look up the number of ongoing ethnic conflicts in that list before talking about an united African front.

And I don't know how a civil war can be compared to an invasion/ expeditionary war with a much superior enemy. We are not talking about fighting guerrillas hiding in the bushes.

For a start- let's talk about interoperability. No African nation with the probable exception of South Africa have any major C4I infrastructure to speak off.

Any African military would find it difficult to locate any enemy fleet, while you want a Ghanaian Missile Boat to take out an Indian Destroyer targeting Lagos.

And then there is the question of power projection. Can you tell me about the capabilities & assets of African militaries which enable, say Nigeria to defend Namibia from an invasion?

Justnotyou:
There is something called reality. India can't do any of that since you're still viewing Africa as a continent of 55 Nations not as an adversary. In case of an all out Africa Vs India war all things would pan out differently, you guys won't be dealing with each country on its own.

Weren't we discussing a hypothetical situation here? Of course there is absolutely zero chance for an Indian confrontation with an African nation.

You are making it look as if AU is some Pan African NATO, when it's clearly not the case. Each nation in the AU have their own interests, are at the best capable of defending their homeland against neighbors/ terrorists/ insurrectionists and are typically not too wealthy to fight a war for other's cause.

Heck, even the US failed to provide military assistance to it's major non NATO ally Pakistan to stop Indian invasion in 1971. And you think Zimbabwe would be able to provide military assistance to Nigeria in a case of a hypothetical India-Nigeria conflict?

Jamestown123:
werey oshi.

No idea what that means but 60% is greater than 39%.

rvp20182:
Gujarati as state may not be that much - just like Isreal - But Gujarati all over the world - are well known businessmen and merchants. As for Parsian - are they Iranians. Tata is one man...but Gujaratis have many more including Ambanis.

Don't want to go into this too much but you don't have a clue.

rvp20182:
Maybe I can respect the 50M odd Gujaratis who have long history as merchants - and practically control India. The same way I respect the Jews. But for the 1.3M indians less the Gujaratis - they are mostly piece of crap - openly defeacting - and hobbled by caste system that codemned them to slavery.

lol, no need to display your ignorance once again.

There are ethnic groups in India which are far richer than Gujaratis. States like Haryana Maharashtra & Much of Southern India are ahead of Gujarat. Some of these states have Human development indicators comparable to developed world.

The Jews of India are the Parsis. Heard of Tata group?

rvp20182:
That is you and your retrogression.

In Kenya - Asian (majority gujarati indians) - are now officially recognized as indigenous tribe as any other. Many indians are elected in parliament.

On 22 July 2017, the Uhuru Kenyatta government announced that the Asian community would be officially recognised as the 44th tribe in Kenya recognising the community's contribution to Kenya from the dawn of the nation.

https://www.voanews.com/africa/kenyans-asian-descent-become-nations-44th-tribe

Oh good.

rvp20182:
Now you're into racial nonsense. Kenya Indian is a kenya. Not an indian. He lives here, pay taxes here and his kids will be here - and so will the grand kid.If Chinese come to kenya and make helicopters - it will have been made in Kenya.

I don't see many people agreeing with you. On the internet you can see Africans eulogizing Idi Amin for expelling Indians. Whites & Indians are targeted in SA by black supremacists.

Africa is not or doesn't want to be a multicultural multi-ethnic society.

rvp20182:
Sub-Sahara Africa due to geographical reason was closed to human civilization for many years.

We started getting into civilization train 100yrs ago - and look - we are at par with India.

I don't know what prevented you when you were left alone, undisturbed by colonizers. As for India, we had our fair share of time being a powerful empire.

And I don't see where exactly you are at par, especially comparing things like industrialization or service sectors.

rvp20182:
I am not into military stuff but I know South Africa do make helicopters. Kenya has bought one

Developed by whites, lol.

rvp20182:
As for India - you'll remain the open defecation HQ of the world and poverty capital - after well Nigeria.

Until you start comparing percentages. But that's way too complicated for people who are yet to make a decent motorcycle by themselves.

rvp20182:
China came and passed you - and I bet Africa will develop faster than you !

Err....don't see how that will happen. Maybe you should stop daydreaming & build a decent steel mill before making such claims.

rvp20182:
The 70B dollar spent on military can be used to provide Indians with basic sanitation. I don't understand why India and many of these countries invest obscene money - for what - so you can have Kashmir.

The only missile you'll be dropping are dung on your streets!

Deal with open defecation before going into hypothetical war with Africa - war over what?

Last time I checked, an African nation have higher percentage of people doing business in the open. Guess which one??

Maybe make a dung missile with it given your state of technological development, lol. Might work unlike African helicopters.

vankelvin:
Mr man, you are an African.

Sorry I am not. I came here only because India was being dragged into a totally unrelated discussion.

Just30:
African car production is 2 million units .At least know better sources to quote instead of wikipedia before opening your wide mouth.

And what's 2 million compared to 4.5 million, genius? lol.

The wikipedia data is from OICA whereas you are yet to provide any source for your data lol.

Motor vehicle production in 2019 according to OICA.

South Africa: 631983
Egypt: 18500
Morocco: 394652

Total of 1.045 million.

Just30:
Yeah, 77 billion of wasteful expenditure to keep fragile India from being bombed out of existence by Pakistan.

No one cares about what a bunch of oompa loompas-who cannot even create the very basics of industrialization in their country-think. Such opinions are as worthless as African made helicopters.

Just30:
While running a 2 million military of conscripts.

India doesn't have conscription, but your ignorance is out here for everyone to see.

Just30:
Your defense budget cannot support you military to run even a single strike group into the Mediterranean for one week.
All you can do is to keep your navy at a docking distance along your shores

Our defence budget already supports a fleet of 1 Aircraft carrier, 20 subs, 10 destroyers, 13 frigates & several auxiliaries & smaller combatants. And funds the construction of 8 Nuclear subs, 1 aircraft carrier, 4 destroyers, 11 frigates and several others along with 2.5 billion for Defence R & D. And we only spend 8.3% of our budget expenditure on defense, lol.

Again, create a semblance of basic industrialization in your country before comparing with a nation which has already demonstrated ASAT & Nuclear submarines.

Just30:
the pharmacy of counterfeit drugs

India has got no tech except for a deeper understanding of software applications

Classic case of Sour Grapes. Meanwhile India is already exporting Covid vaccines helping millions.

No tech yeah right. India has a space program which sends payloads to Moon & Mars while some other space programs are a meme. Enough said.

IGpro1:
India cannot project power to Africa. Your old smoky grandpa aircraft carrier can only have effect in East Africa over Kenya precisely

Maybe tell that to the USN, they seem to be really interested in exercising with our CBG. Or the Australians & the Japanese who are so interested in the Quad. I am sure they'll heed to Mr-Nobody-from-No-Military-Power's advice. You're from Ghana BTW??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnUx1WZUYAYLgyB.jpg

And lol at mocking a capable aircraft carrier, especially coming from states which doesn't operate even a decent frigate.

IGpro1:
but you see if it comes close to cape town, South African shark hunting subs would have made it kiss the ocean floor.

SA has just 3 submarines compared to 18 attack submarines of the IN and several Anti submarine frigates & corvettes which are a part of CBG. And lets not even talk about submarine hunting aircraft like the Boeing P8I.

SADF would have a very very tough job.

IGpro1:
West Africa, Nigeria can very well defend her EEZ

I don't see how a Navy with just 1 frigate that too a mothballed one can defend against anything. Maybe against oil smugglers & pirates, but not an upcoming bluewater navy.

IGpro1:
India is a Dwarf in world politics, at the sound of China, you sh!t you pants.

I will let you folks decide on the pecking order in geopolitics when any West/East African country's defense budget crosses a decent $10 billion.

And as for US, the world has taken note of us standing up to Communist expansionists, and that's why you see declassified US State policy documents saying that the US should support India's rise as a global power. Wonder why I don't see such passages about any African nation. Hmm....

IGpro1:
when you remove South Africa and Nigeria India might have an edge over other African countries combined. But you see, India is a big slum.

Both Nigeria & South Africa doesn't have any major edge over India. SA have a historical edge over India in GDP per capita but loses out in technological, industrial, military or economic might. Nigeria isn't even the horizon so to speak.

54% of Nigeria's urban population lives in slums according to United Nations Human Settlements Programme so I didn't exactly get the slum reference here.

Just30:
neither can India compete with Africa in vehicle production.

India produces 4.5 million motor cars. The only three automotive manufacturing African countries, South Africa, Morocco & Algeria produce just 1 million combined. At least refer to Wikipedia before opening your mouth wide.

Just30:
1. India does not have the means to project power.

Already having operated CBG for 60 years says a lot.

https://cdn.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2020/11/19/938466-malabar-exercise.jpg

Just30:
India is poor and cant afford to move a carrier group into the Mediterranean let alone across the Atlantic, a move like that will bankrupt India and send it back to cattle rearing .

Yeah too poor to have a $71 billion defense budget lol. 35X that of Nigeria & 17X that of South Africa.

We already have ships in permanent station in & around AOR & the genius thinks we can't afford sending one to Atlantic for a deployment.

Just30:
India cant even reach Pakistan let alone reaching every corner of Africa.

Abeg shun

India had already ''reached'' Pakistan way back in 1971, when we conducted carrier based airstrikes & amphibious landings on East Pakistan. This war led to the formation of Bangladesh.

Our expeditionary capability in the Indian Ocean region is well proven, with operations like Op Cactus & several UNPKF missions. Not to forget that we had operated Aircraft Carriers for the past 60 years. Not surprised by your ignorance though, given that African nations aren't that focused on military.

Just40:
Just say you dont know much about Africa

The double deckers you see in London are produce by an Egyptian company( either Egypt or Morocco ) ive forgotton.
India has nothing on African countries

The London New Routemaster was made by Wrightbus, an Irish firm. Neither Egypt nor Morocco can compete with India in the export of Commercial Vehicles.

Justnotyou:
Militarily except for nuclear what else gives you any edge incase of a confrontation?

There is something called Power projection. Basically India can send a carrier battle group or a fleet of destroyers & start attacking your major ports/ military installations/ cities with land attack cruise missiles/ carrier based strike aircraft. How many African nations can even defend against such a threat let alone reciprocate?