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R. I. P to him.

Believe me Jagaban have more than enough far better than the asylum seeker on his bench doing warmup

mrvitalis:
Trust me if David want to be a sale out.. Even your pat master would dump u all to sigh him

Sharing formulae don cause wahala between blackmailers.

Sorry I'm getting back late to you. The Wahhabia ideology mostly are not with accordance with Islam. The man created some law which Allah didn't say in the holy Quran... He twisted some hadith " Words of the prophet " to suit him for his extremism view about Islam.

When you see some group of Muslim condemning music or attacking musician, they belong to this ideology, they have no concrete evidence in Quran and when you ask them for proof you see them trying to twist a particular verse.

They are same of people fighting their fellow Muslims for not keeping long beard, wearing trousers that is up to your ankle and other sort of things.

Allah clearly said it in Quran that we Muslim should be the best among human, He commanded us to be a very good neighbor to people around us, regardless of religion but today, even people of Wahabiyah ideology will not answer greetings from their fellow Muslims simply because they're not following their extremism.
Boko Haram leader, Shekau always give praise to the Wahabiyah ideology because that is the only ideology that supported their madness.

Recently, the Saudi Arabia which is the country of the founder of the evil ideology announced they're moving away from some law hence you see them opening their door for some American musicians to come and sing in their country.

They have earlier soften some rules hence the likes of Chrisriano Ronaldo are allowed to play in their league.

Praxis758:
Can you pls educate us about the Wahhabism sect of Islam?

Thanks.

We know shariah law have been in existence in SW for the past 600 years but political shariah will not be allowed.

TheNiceGuy:
and the rest, another affirmation that the Shari'ah you fear the most has been in the Southwest for decades.

That TimoDott na funny guy. You think Hausa/Fulani soldiers in the Nigeria Army will fight their brother across the border

Sai Baba second home.

A North Korea fighter was killed, yet the Ukraine propagandist covered his badge

You don't have to challenge me brother. I am still waiting for you to bring the Quran verse where music is prohibited by Allah SWT.

Bring your proof with clear evidence.

TheNiceGuy:
There's no arrogance in my statement, it's just your level of understanding that's low.

You law claims to what you know not or little about. You've not been to a place yet you claimed this is how it is? What do we call that.

That said, you've not answered my questions. Answer them. I CHALLENGE YOU

I am just laughing at the brother. I am always worried how they have used Islam that preaches unity, oneness, peace to divide Northern Nigeria to the extent that they now have where Muslim can walk freely, talk freely even pray openly. This is as the result of extremism towards the non-Muslim which the Quran preach against.

Jaylord12:
Perhaps he has only been to ilorin and kano.
I guess he wanted saying sabon Gari....In every state in the North they are area(District) where Christians are predominant vice versa in the South
....He is just too extreme with his thoughts...

I have been to ile kewu, I have also been to the North so what exactly is your point?

TheNiceGuy:
I'm tired of you. Just go to Ile kewu and also Travel to the North

Brother, Quran clearly said it that we should not see ourselves as the most righteous ones because HE Allah alone knows who are the right path.

Majority of them lack tolerance which is part of what Islam preaches alot.

BlackfireX:
Exactly what i said some days ago, fundamental Muslims sees moderate Muslims as kufri and there are quran verses and hadith that buttress it

To the same North where they're divided through religious lines? me should visit the North? believe me I don't think I would love to be back there. Do you mean the same North that as a Muslim if you found yourself in an area where is dominated by the non Muslim that you dare not mention to them that you're a muslim?

TheNiceGuy:
You need Islamic knowledge, go to Ile kewu.

All what you're saying shows the low depth of your knowledge of Islam.
I'm not insulting you, I don't know as well but to be sincere, you need it.

You need to travel to thesame North as well, it's obvious you've not been there. Stop believing the propaganda you read and hear people say

One thing I have discovered about you since yesterday is arrogance. You have not met me but you have concluded that you've traveled more than me.

I like exchanging message with someone with sense of maturity and not otherwise. You are using only Sabogenri only as your case study when countless of violence in the same Kano was recorded with evidences around.

The whole Northern Nigeria have been moving backward since the year 2000 that the political shariah law was introduced by the looter called Ahmed Yerima, the ex gov of Zamfara state.
If you are a student of history you will know how prosperous the Northern Nigeria was before the introduction of the political shariah law. The law that have divided the region that only God can bring sanity back to the region.

TheNiceGuy:
So that's why u called Shari'ah useless? These are your excuses?

Because some lag behind in theirs, Shari'ah is no no to you?

Are we practicing full scale Shari'ah?

Where's that petty thief that Shari'ah law has killed in the North? Show me

Where's that lady or anyone that Shari'ah law directed that she or they should be burnt alive? Tell me, I challenge you.

You're the one who have a lot to learn.
Aside Islam knowledge that you need, you still need to travel to the core North and see things for yourself.

Covering your body as female got to do with your level of piety and no one is forced to do that. Aside their culture in the North, I'll site same Kano as example because I've stayed there, we still have Rich who covered themselves from head to toe and we have poor who did not.

We have Christians in thesame Kano who go out with skimpy dress, leave their hair open, wears trousers. Sabongeri, they do all sought if vices you can imagine there in thesame Kano but hatred and ignorance to your religion has cloud the sense of some people that sees everything about Shari'ah as hardship

Allah knows we will always offend him as human reason he created room for forgiveness. I will never be part of the useless law to enslave my fellow human when I know am secretly doing the same.

The useless Hisbah police have successfully killed the hospitality business of almost the North-West region of Nigeria but the clown financing them are opening 5 stars hotels in far away Dubai.

Brother, emancipate yourself from religious slavery.

TheNiceGuy:
Me need to enroll or you that said you can only take evidence from Qur'an, there's nothing that concern you about Hadith and ijmah of scholars?

You that called Shari'ah useless?
That Statement alone, do you know what it has done to your faith, your being Muslim?

If Wahabihism/Sunnah is your problem, those spearheading this Shari'ah are Sufi but no, your problem is the fact that you don't want to hear Shari'ah because you involve in vices Shari'ah frown at

I will not throw banter at you as a brother because I see you still have alot to learn.

Offcourse what we have in Nigeria is political shariah.

So tell me, how can you come out publicly to destroy bottle of bears but still fight to share from the proceed of the same product?

How can you kill a petty thief but grant amnesty to terrorist who have killed hundred of people.

How can you burn a lady alive over blasphemy but when you see bandit killing your people, rapping your daughters and wife you run to take cover?

An average person must cover all her body but the elites children will dress half unclad on their wedding day. Let me stop here.

I repeat and I will stand on my point, the Shariah practicing in some part of Nigeria is political shariah to enslave and suppress the common man.

TheNiceGuy:
You don't know and you're not ready to know.

So there's political Shari'ah?

The worse that can happen to Muslim is the Muslim by name who knows nothing about their religion like you

Wallahi, you're the one that need to enroll in a madrasah to have clue about your religion. Wahabism ideology is not what the prophet brought for us.

Go and learn where there are teaching and not where they're teaching you to hate your culture, and your fellow human who are non-Muslim.

TheNiceGuy:
Lo keu. Go and learn Islam, losi Ile kewu. You don't know anything about Islam.

You that rejected Hadith has nothing to do with Allah say. What did Allah say? Tell us how He said it.

Baba e lo kewu. Stop meddling in anything that has to do with Islam when it involves knowledge

Quran was orally revealed by God to the final Islamic prophet Muhammad through the angel Jubril incrementally over a period of some 23 years, beginning on the Laylat al-Qadr, when proohet Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.

The Quran is translated to many languages but there's only one Quran. No new version or old version.

BlackfireX:
You said it can't be corrupted and at the same time this people are evil radicalised. But you haven't answered my question, where is the original manuscript that quoran was written from. As at today there are more than 3 qouran translations in the world.
You said they are radicalised probably they are not representing islam/ mohamed / Allah, but they also sees you as coward, corrupted by the kafri not fit for Aljannah. Though all Muslims will go to hell first before some will go to heaven after using the Jews or Christians as substitute.

Shkr

The satanic umbrella party should be hold responsible for this.

Everyone of us in Oyo state say no to political shariah law in Oyo state. Anyone that needs money should go and work and if anyone thinks he can use our ancient city of Oyo to get grant from Kuwait, Qatar or Saudi Arabia such individual or group of people should wake up from their slumber.

Someone open the prison yard because of the election court decision.

You are just telling me to seek for knowledge while you're seeing yourself as know it all. You are yet to tell me how you concluded the verse is talking about music.

I'm very sure when the Saudi Arabia leaders got to know they have been misled by the wrong ideology they're trying to correct it.

No where in the glorious Quran Allah make good and sensible music haram.

TheNiceGuy:
Wallohi you have a lot to learn in Islam if this is your mindset. You're just Muslim by name.

Your saw Hadith that explains Quran you are still arguing ?

Your likes are very many in Yorubaland, they're in North but Yoruba own too much.
They have zero knowledge of their religion but they're always at the forefront to talk when matter related to religion is a discuss, they'll be arguing with nothing as evidence but their brain.

You think Islam is a joke to you? Continue seeing the truth and rejecting it

Kukah, however, called on all Nigerians to choose the path of light, unity, and love, stressing that these values are essential for the nation’s progress and development.

I'm waiting for a Nairalander to invite me make i come chop rice and kunu.

The greatest book of Muslim is Qur'an which no one can alter or disagree with. Allah SWT through the glorious Quran make Haram clearly to everyone and also warned us not to make what he makes halal haram or make haram halal.

When you have clear verse where Allah SWT condemn music kindly let me know.

TheNiceGuy:
If to you you didn't see the music or drum mentioned specifically, what about the Hadith? Or you only believe in Qur'an? You're Qur'aniyyun? Another fitna for ummah.

Hadith translate and explain Qur'an, YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT ISLAM. I'm not perplexed about your stance again.

I hope you pray five daily solat, where in the Quran it was explained this is how you'll perform ablution? Show us.

It's in Hadith we get to know how to, how to perform solat, numbers of rakka and so on. All these are not in Quran. So if it's only Qur'an you follow, you should know you've failed already

1. Qur'an
2. Hadithul qudsi
3. Hadithu Nabawiy
4. And ijmah of the scholars are determinant in Islam.

They corroborate and align

So tell me who radicalized Abu Mutalab? Sufism or Wahabism?

TheNiceGuy:
Sunnah is equal to Wahabihism and the headquarter of Wahabihism is Saudi Arabia.

So list how many so called terrorists has erupted from Saudi Arabia? Name them.

Again Mutallab is half-baked Muslim just like you..

I am talking about the Quran verse here which supercede any other dalil we can point at.
Allah SWT didn't make mention of music here I repeat and I will stand on it.

When he wanted to talk about zina, he clear it, alcohol too was mentioned boldly so why do you think Allah will corner HIS words to forbid music? The verse is not referring to music.

TheNiceGuy:
Okay. Can you please translate it yourself? Please I challenge you to. I challenge you, don't run. Translate it

Explain the meaning of the hadiths as well

Sorry brother, I'm beyond someone you can twist the word of Allah for. Where exact is Music/song mentioned in the Quranic verse? Or you just translate it to suit yourself?

TheNiceGuy:
I said I won't respond to you but I have to. I will clear your doubt because you may think I lied about that claim.

First what we call music in today's world is Haram (as long as it involves musical instruments i.e guitar, piano, bell, drums, saxophone and sort).


Surah Luqman (31:6)
"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (others) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment."

Many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, have interpreted "idle talk" (lahw al-hadith) as referring to music, singing, and instruments. Check Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
Also Ibn Mas’ud (a prominent companion of the Prophet) explicitly stated, "By Allah, it refers to singing."

Surah An-Najm (53:59-61)
"Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and do not weep, while you are wasting your time in vanities?"
Scholars have associated "vanities" (samidun) with singing and music in the Arabic dialect of Himyar.


Sahih al-Bukhari
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "There will be among my followers people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments, as lawful…"
(Narrated by Al-Bukhari, Hadith 5590)

This Hadith explicitly mentions musical instruments (ma’azif) as part of things that will be wrongly deemed lawful by some Muslims just like you today


Sunan Ibn Majah
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "A people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by another name, and musical instruments will be played for them and singing girls (will sing for them). Allah will cause the earth to swallow them up, and He will turn them into monkeys and pigs."
(Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 4020)


Musnad Imam Ahmad
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Allah has forbidden wine, gambling, drum (kubah), and every intoxicant is haram."
(Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 19400)

Scholars interpret "kubah" as a type of drum or musical instrument.

Sahih Muslim
Abu Hurairah reported the Prophet (peace be upon him) as saying: "The bell is the musical instrument of Satan."
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 2114)


And more more Hadith you as well can ask of if you want to learn



Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) stated:
"The view of the four Imams is that all musical instruments are haram. It is proven in Sahih al-Bukhari and elsewhere that the Prophet forbade musical instruments and said they lead to immorality and sin."

Imam Al-Qurtubi, in his Tafsir, commented on Surah Luqman (31:6):
"This verse is evidence for the prohibition of music and singing."



Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah stated:
"Music is the Quran of Shaytan. It occupies the heart, preventing it from pondering the Quran and obeying Allah. This is one of the tricks of the devil."
(Madarij as-Salikeen, Vol. 1)



Al-Shafi'i scholar Al-Ghazali mentioned:
"Instruments like the drum, flute, and others that arouse passions are haram, as they distract one from remembering Allah."

These evidences reflect the traditional stance on music in Islam
While the majority opinion among classical scholars is that music is haram, some argue that non-lnstrumental music(without drums, saxophone,flute, guitar, in and what have you....), without sinful content i.e waka, may be permissible. This minority opinion is based on weaker Hadith and less strict interpretations.

Why are you trying to deny your brother in Wahabism ideology.

For centuries in Africa, where majority are Sufism, we have never record any rubbish until we start hearing Alu Sunnah, Izzala and every jargons and today what we have is nothing but full scale of terrorism.

The guy was brainwashed just like you too trying to impose your rubbish ideology on others. Allah didn't asked our beloved prophet to fight anyone to accept Islam, He told him, invite people into Islam with Hikmah and Moheezah but the reverse is your own case, always looking for blood to spill.

We shall continue to expose you all the enemies of Islam.

TheNiceGuy:
He's an half-baked Muslim just like the op. They're more dangerous than anything.

No one understands Islam and becomes Terrorists.
Shari'ah law has nothing to do with Boko Haram, Al Qaeda and co.
You'll know they kill whoever is not their sect member.

Full scale Shari'ah of Islam is being practice in Saudi Arabia and nothing like this triumph. That's why they didn't support or have anything doing with them, but wage war against them as well.

That's why they have lesser vices and are prosperous