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Congratulations @justcool. Indeed, it's an experience I am yet to have. Stay blessed.

@justcool, as always, your explanations by way of examples bring total clarity to me on things that were vague. Indeed, I am most lucky to be on this thread. However, I would like you to share your perception on the seven universes using the diagram above. It's something I have received different perceptions from different crossbearers . Please do share your perception on it. Thank you.

@justcool, that which you offered in the way of explanations is completely clear to many. And your way of explanations completely gives room to all to think deeply for themselves. So far you have only presented your perception without sounding arrogant or being the only one with the absolute correct perception. You give room to others for further examination. I have learnt that from from you. Many presents their perception as the absolutely truth without realising it is the surest proof of incomplete knowledge. If only we can realize at each step of the way, it is only our perception at the time which could change in the nearest future many a disagreement would be avoided. I agree with your perception, they have always been my perception too. Many a time in my day to day family life, I do things which is totally just without but which I later realize it lacks love, and I say to myself, hmmm, this is the crime of Lucifer oh! The clarity of your explanations is unmatched so far on this platform(my perception). Thanks for that.

justcool:
Please do not ascribe words or meanings that I never intended to me. My post is still there, unchanged for all to read. And please read my post before you attribute things to me. I never said the principle of temptation is neutral!!!! I maintained, as the Grail message does, that the principle of temptation is wrong but not evil. It lacks love but not unjust.

I never stated that all spirits should be at the same level of development. I don't know where you got that from, it's definitely not from my post.

If one cannot understand the difference between that which is evil and wrong, then thats the persons problem and not mine. If one does not understand how an action can be just yet lacking in love then that's the persons problem and not mine. The person can disagree with me, reject my perception, not throw insults at me or ascribe words that I never said to me.

We cannot all have the same perception because we're all at different levels of spiritual maturity; hence anybody that doesn't understand me should fell free to reject my perceptions.

The Grail message maintains that the principle of temptation is loveless but not unjust. That the principle is wrong not evil. These are not ideas that I invented.

Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:
@Marverick09

Thanks for your questions.

With his failure, Lucifer lost all connection or foothold in the Divine substantial sphere and he sank below creation. Like all that was sent to work in the world of matter, it was his volition that took on form and worked in the various worlds of matter; while he, himself, remained outside the worlds of matter. It was while working in matter that this volition(radiation or embodiment) of his devised means that are contrary to the will of God. And of course the resultant is that this volition(embodiment) changed in vibration. This alien vibration reciprocally reaches up to the source(Lucifer outside creation), causing him to sink.

When he failed, he fell below the world of matter, indeed below the entire creation. Having originated above creation made it possible for him to fall below creation. Hence he is at a place where no creature that originated in creation can descend. All that originated in creation are bound to creation, and can never leave creation. No creature originating in creation can cross the boundary and enter the Divine realm; neither can such a creature descend beyond the lowest point of creation and enter into depth where Lucifer is. Hence when shown to the blessed one, Is-ma-el(John the Baptist), who was allowed to see and report happenings in creation, this depth appears as a bottomless pit; hence, in the Revelation of John, we have the very apt description of Lucifer being in a bottomless pit.

When a man fails he falls into the darker and lower planes of the beyond. But these very low planes of the beyond, which do not have to exist, are still a part of creation; they are still within creation. No man, no matter how evil can fall below the lowest border of creation into the depth where Lucifer is. This is part of the reason why the task of binding Lucifer was reserved to Parsifal whose core, coming from Imanuel, originated far above creation; and hence based on the lawfulness He carried the ability to descend far below creation. The higher a being can rise, the lower it can fall too. Hence, based on this simple lawfulness, if Jesus or the son of man had failed, they would have fallen deeper or lower than Lucifer; this is because they originated higher above Lucifer.

Even after the fall of Lucifer, his volitions (embodiments of his volition) remained in subsequent creation causing havoc. However, Lucifer’s volition has never incarnated physically into the earth. Earthly mankind could pick up radiations (suggestions) from Lucifer (through his volition that sometimes that he projects in to the astral planes) without needing to see him physically or in body of flesh and blood.

The question that people often ask is “where is this place that Lucifer fell into? Is there such a place as outside creation that is not Divine substantiate sphere?” This question was also asked earlier in this thread but I didn’t perceive the need to go into details then; hence, I answered it without giving a detailed explanation. But now I will. And the answer is as follows.

Existence is not limited to God, the Devine substantiate sphere, and creation. If we need to form a right conception of it we must not limit God within the confines of existence. There is only God and His radiation. What we call existence is only the radiation of God! Hence there is God and existence; just as God’s radiation is dependent on Him and not vice versa, existence is dependent on God, but God is not dependent on existence.

Before creation came into being, existence only comprised of the Divine substantiate sphere and the void beyond its border. The Divine substantiate sphere, being the immediate radiation of God, comprises many planes starting from the first plane where we find the four winged animals, to the last plane where we find the elders in the Grails castle at the border. At this border or furthest point stands the Grail castle which houses the actual Grail, a vessel where the radiations are gathered and in becoming stronger due to unification, these radiations can then flow back. Hence one can say that at this furthest point the radiations are held back from penetrating further. Beyond this bother lies void or nothingness. People have often wondered what this void is.

This void is also a part of the radiation of God. What was held back at the Grail castle at the border of the Devine is the creative ability in the radiations, or the creative radiations. Hence beyond this border of the Devine sphere, radiations of God continued to endless distances, but beyond the border of the Devine substantiate sphere there was not possibility of creatures emerging or forms emerging, condensing or precipitating from the radiation because the radiations beyond this Divine substantiate borders lacks the creative ability which was held back at the Grail castle. Hence the radiation beyond this border is called void, formless, or nothingness.

Hence for creation to come into being, a part of Imanuel, Who is the creative Will of God, had to descend to this Grail castle at the border of the Divine, and from there he radiated outside into the void, allowing creation to come into being outside the border of the Divine substantiate sphere. As creation is limited, it cannot fill the entire void outside the Divine substantiate sphere. Hence beyond the borders of creation, going downwards lies this void.

It was inside this void that Lucifer fell when he was cast of the Divine, or when he cut himself of the Divine. I have already explained that no human being can fall into this void, because such will entail going beyond the border of creation. No creature can go beyond the border of creation, neither in upwards direction into the Divine substantiate nor in the downwards direction into the void that existed before creation came into being. The dark planes into which evil men fall lies within creation, it is part of the non-physical planes. These planes are actually astral planes. Just as the atmosphere surrounds the earth, both in upwards and downwards directions; the astral planes surround the physical also both in upwards and downwards direction. Hence there are parts of the astral planes that are above the physical and hence lighter , more beautiful and more mobile than the physical; there are also parts of the astral plane that is below the physical, further from the Light than the earth is, and hence it is dark, ugly, and more rigid. Hell is one of such planes.

Just as God has unavoidable radiation, indeed all that is living has a certain degree of radiation that is unavoidable. Lucifer also has an unavoidable radiation which forms the plane where he is within the void that is below creation. From this plane or kingdom of his, he projects himself, his volitions, or embodiments of his principles into subsequent creation. Through his volitions, he can only tempt, lure, or whisper to mankind; but based on the law of creation he cannot force anybody to do anything, he cannot overrule man’s gift of free-will. Hence those that fall victim to his suggestion are fully guilty before the laws of God. And also, man stands more firmly rooted in material creation than Lucifer does, like I explained, he stands outside creation.

Parsifal has destroyed all his volitions. The ones that remain today in the dark planes of creation are the ones that victims of his principle created. Those humans that Lucifer lured into becoming evil, their works(Evil thoughts, words, and intentions) also take on evil forms in the dark planes of the beyond. These evil works embody the principle of Lucifer, and having been created by mankind, they have to be eradicated by mankind themselves. Only one above creation can descend below it into the plane of Lucifer and bind. Parsifal has done this already. He (Parsifal) has also given mankind the knowledge of how to live in order to rid themselves and their environment of the influences of Lucifer. Hence gradually creation is bound to recover from the injury Lucifer inflicted on it.

Hence Lucifer is neither in the Divine substantiate sphere, where he originated, nor in the deepest depth of material creation. Lucifer is outside the worlds of matter; even though through mankind his principles flourish here in the worlds of matter, especially in the dark planes of the world of matter. The Grail message made it very clear that Lucifer is outside the world of matter.

Your question is very deep, and I have cloaked the answer in words that can be easily understood, yet remaining in accord with the Truth. Read the lectures, ‘Mystery of Lucifer’ and ‘World Events’ in the Grail message. To fully understand the coming into being of creation, read, ‘Let There be Light’ in Resonances to the Grail Message.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@Justcool, as always your explanations are very illuminating, however, what you have stated was already clear to me. What is not clear is the fall itself since it is stated that those in the divine and the primordial do not need to leave their sphere but only through their radiations can they work outside their spheres. That to me means they won't personally leave their realm. For instance we know that Maria The Rose and Irmingard The Lily did not personally leave the divine to work outside the divine but only through their radiations did they work outside the divine, they always remained in the divine. How is it that only Lucifer had to leave the divine in person to work outside the divine rather than send his radiations That's my questions . The above questions arose after I read the lecture And IT Fulfilled! In it is stated that those in the divine and to some extent the primordial beings do not need to leave their post in the divine and primordial spiritual but they extend their radiations to work outside their sphere. So how come Lucifer is the only one to actually leave his post and descend to creation to work, rather than remain in the divine and extend his radiation embodiment. . . . . . . . . . . A thought just struck me as i was typing, and this is it: He was in the divine, and extended his radiations into creation in order to assist man in his development but only fell from divine the moment the volition arose in him to do otherwise from the Will of God. . . Hmmmmmm, I think it's clear now, or is there any clearer explanation.

justcool:
@Marverick
Thanks for your question. It is my perception that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the above, as long as the individual understand that it is one Imanuel that works in all of them. And also, what you described is two fold activity of Imanuel, not four. Parsifal is one activity of Imanuel, while the son of man that incarnated in creation is another activity of the same Imanuel. The volition of Parsifal is an extension of Parsifal and not a different ray or activity from Imanuel. That personality is rather an extension of Parsifal. Also, it was the volition of the son of man in Primordial spiritual Sphere that descend into the physical body of Parsifal on earth during the time of most sacred fulfilments on earth. This is the only way through which higher beings incarnate in a physical body, only through their volitions; since no physical body can carry such beings in their entirety. Even when a primordial spirit incarnates on earth, it is only his volition that takes on form and incarnates. This is an ability that that human spirits do not posses.

It is a reflection of the Trinity, where one God works in three ways. There is only one God. When the volition arouse in Him to let creation come into being; this volition of His, His creative will, or His holy spirit, took on form and created. Hence we have the biblical figurative description, “And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
Hence consequently God became twofold: (1)God the father, and (2)Imanuel(The Holy spirit).
When subsequent creation, the world of matter, specifically Ephesus, was in great danger of destruction; mankind in Ephesus have driven it beyond the point where prophets or Primordial spirits could help; God Himself had to intervene. Out of love a volition arouse in Him to save Ephesus. This volition took on form and incarnated in creation. This is Jesus.
Hence at this point God became threefold: (1) God the father, (2) God the Holy Spirit, Imanuel, and (3) God the son, Jesus.
However, God remained one! There is only one God. The sons can be likened to parts or activities. One God works two activities: (1) Creating and maintaining creation, and (2) Savior of sequent creation. Just as each activity you do requires a part of your body; you can use one hand to hold your plate of food and another to feed a child. Yet both hands are yours and it is only one you that is doing both activities. Each hand only embody or act a will(volition) of yours.

Since saving subsequent creation is a one time activity, after completion of this activity Jesus retuned to God the father. Although He remained personal, He is the inborn son(part) of God, the part that remains with God Himself.

Creation required sustenance, it requires that Imanuel, the creative will of God stay outside of God and span a bridge between God, Divine substantiality and Creation; creation will be lost without this bridge. Hence a volition arouse in Imanuel to be anchored outside of God. This volition, part or vessel of Imanuel is Parsifal. The coming into being of Parsifal, who bears an unsubstantaite core from out of Imanuel, does not make God four fold; God remained a trinity. This is because Parsifal is just a part of the creative volition Imanuel. He is part of one of the three activities and not a new totally different activity. Hence after the volition or word of God, “Let there be Light” took on form as Imanuel; the volition, “Let the Light be anchored!” arouse from Imanuel and took on form; and this volition is Parsifal.
Hence at this point, Imanuel became two fold in His working: One remains within the Divine substantiate border, and the other, Parsifal beyond this border. Cosmic distances from the Light of Imanuel in Parsifal, creation came into being; starting from the Primordial spiritual part. Hence Parsifal is the pure gate that leads from Divine to creation; the first to come into being in creation, i.e. Primordial creation. Hence the Kingdom of Parsifal extended only up to the creation or the spiritual creation, excluding subsequent creation.

Afterwards subsequent creation developed or precipitated from creation, human spirit seeds that could not develop to full human spirits in creation sank into subsequent creation in their quest for consciousness. Having originated from the Kingdom of God, i.e. the spiritual planes or the Kingdom of Parsifal, the human spiritual will became the ruling force in subsequent creation. Everything simply had to submit to or adjust to the will of man; since this will is the only spiritual force in subsequent creation. Even the elementals who up till them had worked in matter unhindered now stood to a certain extent, based on the law of creation, under the will or influence of man. Hence with the fall of man, everything developed wrongly in subsequent creation. The resultant is the world as we have it today.
To make matters worse, before the fall of man, who Lucifer was sent to support the spirits seeds developing in subsequent creation failed. The means that he devised for this support was, although consistent in justice, was lacking in love. The Luciferian principle of temptation, is not really unjust, however it lacks love; because although it can encourage the strong to get stronger, it offers no support to the weak. This principle facilitated the fall of man, and hence Lucifer who sent to wait hand and foot on the slowly developing humans spirits became, analogically speaking, a wolf sent to guard sheep. Consequently Lucifer failed and lost his connection to Light activity. Mankind quickly chose the Luciferian will which has an affinity to the intellect, over the Will of God which they can only perceive or divine with their intuition, it is to a certain extent incomprehensible to the intellect.


Let’s digress a little here. Just look around you, you will easily recognize how the Luciferian principle of temptation and setting of snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect. This is how earthy law enforcement agencies work. Think about the police for example! If they want to capture drug buyers, they send undercover cops pretending to be drug sellers in order to entrap buyers! Here in Los Angeles, often undercover cops pretend to be pimps in order to catch prostitutes; an undercover police officer may offer a girl a huge sum of money for sex, only to arrest the girl when she accepts it. While the law outlawing prostitution and drug dealing is noble, the means that the police employ to catch offenders is wrong. This means (setting snares for offenders) is indeed a very effective method but it lacks love and thereby contrary to the will of God. Imagine a man struggling to free himself from the chains of drug addiction. On his way to work he is approached by an undercover officer who offers him drug at a cheap rate. This is temptation, an unfair violation of his addiction or weakness! If he fails and buys the drug, uniformed cops will immediately appear from their hiding places and arrest him and throw him in jail. Sometimes in order to infiltrate a gang of drug dealers, an undercover cop may resort to joining the gang, pretending to be a member until he wins their trust and they admit him into the fold. However to win this trust, he will have to play along with them; this may involve him selling drug to them, or for them, even doing drugs with them! Finally when he gains their trust and they admit him into their fold, he relays their secrets to the police. They get busted and go to jail, while he goes free or is even given an award for his courage.This appears just; these cops who employ these means even give themselves airs, thinking they are doing humanity a big favor. But before the laws of God, the man who offers another man drug is guilty! The undercover cop is as guilty as the gang members.
Sometimes female undercover cops have resorted to pretending to be prostitutes and offering men their bodies in exchange for money, once the man accepts the offer and pays her money, uniformed cops will emerge from their hiding places and arrest the man. People ague that this is not unfair because the girls don't let the men go all the way, they don't go as far as actually completing with the men. People praise them for helping to get pimps off the streets. However, before the laws of creation, these girls are as guilty as the men they entrap! Dressing like a prostitute and standing by the road side is already an unfair setting of snare to men who have such weakness. By dressing in such ways, these so called "hero cops" instigate lust in men! Many a man who otherwise do not think of such things, over time of seeing these "heroes" by the street side start to indulge or entertain such thoughts. And those who are struggling with immorality are not helped at all. Some who perhaps the other man may have succeeded in weaning themselves off their lustful addiction, after being bombarded everyday with this indecency, they finally give up or let go of themselves!
The healthy way to go would be to remove all temptations, not to using it to entrap weak people. The cops should arrest drug dealers, prostitutes, etc., but they(the cops) should never set traps for them or pretend to be them. The cops should never provide or offer people opportunity to indulge in their weakness so as to arrest them; rather they should remove all such opportunities. This is the love and support that the struggling ones need.

This idea of setting snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect, and hence to majority of mankind and almost in all countries it is acceptable. But the Divine principle of lovingly waiting for all the weak ones to mature, by removing all temptations from their way and supporting and encouraging them towards changing for the better, sounds too farfetched and impracticable to humanity who have limited themselves to only intellectual perception. And such help cannot be offered by the intellect or by a man who has limited himself to the intellect; its simply implacable to him. Such help can only come from the spirit; as true love can only emanate from the spirit, never the intellect.


Returning to the matter at hand. It was expected that mankind as they mature will have an uplifting effect on matter, gradually making subsequent creation a reflection of the creation or primordial creation. And it was promised, that at the end of their period of development, at the end of the time allotted to them for development, when all of them should have been matured and ready for Paradise, Parsifal, from whose kingdom they left will visit to personally bring judgement. This period in the in the time allotted mankind for development, when that particular material universe is transitioning from maturity or over-ripeness, is called the cosmic turning point. Hence for this visit, Parsifal’s volition took on form and traveled across creation gathering experience and restoring other where disturbance sought to arise. Hence it was Parsifal who was on earth approximately 3000 thousand years ago, around the time that Moses was on earth too. His first visit to earth was to prepare Himself for His later visit during cosmic turning point.

However, the influence of Lucifer’s fall, also affected the spiritual creation or sphere, due to the fact that spirits seeds that descended into matter from it, no longer return back. Consequently a hemorrhaging resulted which like a bleeding wound on the physical body, weakened creation or the spiritual sphere. Hence it became necessary for this sphere to receive a closer connection to Divinity unsubstantiate, to perpetually mediate power to spiritual so that no weakening can occur again. Or in other words, it became necessary to build a new bridge between creation and Divine unsubstantiality. For this a volition arouse in Imanuel(the son of man) in the Divine substantiate sphere and incarnated into the Primordial spiritual sphere. This is the incarnation that Isaiah reported while on earth.

The incarnation of the son of man into creation and the visit of Parsifal through His volition do not make God four fold or five fold. It does not constitute a new activity of God the father, rather they are extensions or splitting originating from one activity: “Let there be Light.” In other words, they are activities resulting from the creative will of God; they Immanul, Parsifal, Son of man all result from one arm of God. Hence God remains a trinity. Hence one can say that in creation, the activity of Imanuel two fold (son of man and Parsifal), or even three fold if we consider the activity embodied in Mariah, but above creation they all unite into one, Imanuel in the Divine part of the Grail castle. All these embodiments are a rays emanating from Him, through which he works different activities independently in creation. And even, there may be more in the future; remember that Imanuel also works through Maria above creation. And Maria also works in creation though a vessel.

Just as the different component colors of white light when united becomes white again. During the period of most sacred fulfillments on earth, all these embodiments or activities of Imanuel were united in one person. This unification had to proceed gradually otherwise the physically body will be able to bear it; hence, first it was Parsifal in His volition, then afterwards the son of man gradually also entered. Then out of this person glowed the white light of Imanuel. From this full radiation of Imanuel glowing out of this person on earth, Maria and Irmingard were able to make use of the two cloaks prepared for them on earth. When earthly mankind could not handle it any more, nor could they make use of the powers, under which they threatened annihilate each other, it became necessary that Imanuel should depart. Then the radiations of love(Maria) and prurity(Irmingard) that emanated from Him gradually withdrew back to Him; and finally the in intensification the physical body gave way. And this bowl of white light departed this earth.

One can say that each activity is an embodiment, that works separately, and yet they are all one. Or each activity is worked through an embodiment. Yet it only one, Imanuel, that work in all of them. Hence Parsifal is one with the son of man, just as Jesus is one with Imanuel.

This is my perception. Feel free to disregard them, if they don’t resonate within you.

Remain blessed.

@justcool, now it is very clear. This explanation is very refreshing. . . . There's one topic I am still a bit confused: Lucifer. As we know, Parsifal is the Pure Gate through which all radiations from the divine come into creation. So how did Lucifer's fall take place, in what form since he did not descend into creation in person but only his radiation or volition could take on form. Does that now mean that he is still in divine? Or how........? Who is then in deepest depths of material creation?

justcool:
In order to avoid confusion; and to speak in the language of science. In the above, the ‘rotation’ I meant is not the planet’s rotation around its axis, but rather the planet’s rotation around the sun. This rotation around the sun is called revolution by scientist. Hence the faster a planet travels around the sun, the closer it orbits the sun. The slower it travels around the sun, the further from the sun it will orbit. This is has been observed and confirmed by science, as science has measured the orbital velocities of the planets. Here science is applicable because we are talking about something within its range of activity.

For those who understand the language of science, the concept of orbital velocities of planets and their distances to the sun is explained very well in the following website:
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/orbital.htm

This concept can be applied to the enter world of matter, as I have already explained.



Yes other universes can draw from the Truth brought by the Light activity; however the good legacy, if considered correctly, was left by the Light and not us or our shenanigans. Rather than saying thanks to our shenanigans, I will say thanks to the Light for His ever watchful love.



What is fundamentally wrong in the practice is the attitude and ignorance of both the practitioners, the organ donors and receivers. And by this ignorance, I mean Ignorance about the laws of creation, the process of death and the existence of the soul. One who cannot completely survey the process of death (separation of body from the soul) should not interfere with the process, because he will bring only harm and catastrophe to the person in the process.

Many people are ignorant of the process of death. Even some believers believe that dead people are sleeping(resting) and waiting for the resurrection day when Christ will come to judge all; hence the popular slogan: Rest in Peace. Some people do not know anything about the soul as being a distinct entity from the body, neither do they know anything about the process of this separating; hence they think that once they are clinically dead they become totally unaware of the goings-on around them. To them, it doesn’t matter what you do to the body, they believe that on the Day of Judgment Christ will miraculously make the body whole again and call all the dead to awaken for judgment; this is their understanding of the promise that All that is dead in Creation shall be awakened so that it may pass judgment on itself. The resultant is that neither the organ donor and the doctor, nor the recipient knows what the donor will go through during the process.

I have already earlier explained that the process of death is like the process of giving birth. Both process are actually very alike; this is why creation is simple and easy to understand, every observable physical process is actually a reflection of a certain process in the unobservable or beyond. Let’s liken the womb to be the physical body, then the placenta will be likened to the astral body, while the baby itself is the actual soul (spirit wearing the ethereal body as the outermost cloak). Now when the baby exists the womb, it comes out with the umbilical cord still attaching it to the placenta, which is still in the womb. Moments later the placenta also comes out; however, this separation of placenta from the womb cannot be forced, you can’t pull out the placenta while the baby is still attached it. Therefore, once the baby comes out, the first thing the doctor does is to cut the umbilical cord, freeing the baby from the placenta which at that point is still inside the womb. It is very important that the umbilical cord is cut, and the baby freed from the placenta before trying to get the placenta out of the womb too. Now this separation of placenta from the womb can take minutes when everything is working perfectly; however in some cases, it can take hours, even days! This is a very delicate period in the process as bleeding can occur and some women have died due to this delayed separation and bleeding that results from forced separation of the placenta from the womb. Sometimes doctors resort to massaging the woman’s stomach so that the placenta will separate and exit too. Then in about a month after successfully giving birth and shading the placenta, the walls of the womb cleans itself out by discharging the uterine lining during mensuration. This is the end of the process.

Now death is exactly the same. The man dies, the soul pulls the astral body(placenta) out of the physical body(womb); however, the soul is still very attached to the astral body through the nonphysical umbilical cord called silver cord. And the astral body(placenta) is not really yet fully separated from the physical body(womb); since immediately after death, the astral must remain in the vicinity of the physical body as they as still held together by radiations. Indeed they are like an object and its shadow. The astral body being the object, and the physical the shadow. Hence the soul at this point is like a baby newly born, but still connected to the placenta(astral body) that has not separated from the womb(physical body). And in this case there is no doctor around to cut this connection which must be difficult and unbearable to soul(baby). This is why we have rites performed by called ones during a person’s death or immediately after; the prayer or rites performed by a called one has the possibility of dissolving this connection, freeing the soul from the cumbersome attachment to the astral body. However, today men have lost the right manner of performing this act, and they have also lost its significance; it has degenerated to the concept of ‘Blessing of the dead’. But what’s the point of blessing a discarded physical body?? Today everything is directed to the physical, no attention is given to the soul struggling to free itself from the discarded body! But let’s not digress.

Returning to the issue at hand. Imagine a doctor who cannot see babies, a doctor blind to babies helping a woman through the process of labor. This doctor is actually totally ignorant of what is really going on, he can only see the womb of the woman; to him labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Hence as soon as the woman goes into labor, which will eventually end with discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration, he begins to harvest the uterine lining of the womb in order to transplant it to another person. Of course he has to start this harvesting early, before the uterine lining gets discharged (or organs to be transplanted starts to decay). Even though labor has started, indeed the water has broke, but the baby is still in the placenta inside the womb. Since the doctors knows nothing about the existence of the baby which he can neither see nor hear, he goes ahead and starts harvesting the uterine wall. What then will happen to the baby?? It will definitely be hurt in the process. By the same token, even though the process of death has started, indeed the person is already clinically dead, but the soul is still fully connected to the astral body which has still not yet separated from the physical body. Just as the placenta, in some cases, may take hours to separate from the womb, in some cases the astral body takes a very long time to separate from the physical body. In such cases the departing ones experience prolonged death struggle, he feels all the pains of the dying body due to prolonged connection of the astral body to the dying physical body; hence depending on the tautness of this connection, the soul will still feel the pains of all the goings-on in the physical body. He will feel the pains of organ harvest just as a man will feel it when an organ is being cut off his body while he is fully alive and awake. The resultant is that such a soul will be so scarred and injured that it may take him a very long time to regain his composure, recover from the psychic shock and resume his journey.

I hope you understand the above analogy. The doctor blind to babies represents the doctors of today that are blind to the souls; they only perceive the physical. This doctor sees labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Just as many doctors today see death as just end of the life of the physical body, the discharging of the physical body; not knowing that death is actually the birth of the soul into the beyond. The womb represents the physical body while its parts, i.e. the uterine lining represent the organs or the body to be harvested. The placenta represents the astral body, while the baby itself represents the soul.

Hence if most organ donors know the pain they will go through, they will opt out of it. Also if the recipients know what the donor will go through, out of love they will not allow any dying person to donate. The same is applicable for doctors; if they know what the put dying donors through, they will not advice it, and neither will they practice it. If after knowing all these, one still choses to donate an organ, out of love, then I cannot condemn him.

However if one is called for that purpose, one who can fully survey the entire process of death; and most importantly one who has the ability to correctly perform the right of passage from physical to beyond, i.e. one who can help in faster severance of the silver cord. Then such a one may be able to harvest an organ without much damage done to the departed.

Donating an organ, like a kidney or a lung, while alive is better than donating after the so called clinical death; since in the case of donating while alive, doctors can help in alleviating the pain through pain killers, anesthetic drugs, etc.

However again, this type of medicine will not lead mankind upwards, rather it will lead them downwards. Frist, we still do not know how to give; we still give out of sympathy or pity which is wrong and very different from the compassion which Christ embodied and spoke about. Compassion comes from the spirit, it places what benefits the spirit above all else; while sympathy emanating from the intellect and emotions of the physical body places gratification above all; it just wants to make the needy happy and free him from whatever that ails him. I will give an example, a man damages his kidney due to excessive drinking and taking recreational drugs, and becomes sick, requiring a kidney transplant. A sympathizer will offer this sick man a kidney, believing that he has helped the sick man. However what this sympathizer has done is wrong and brings neither him nor the sick man any real benefit. A man with compassion wills rather advice the sick man to change his bad drinking and drug taking habit. Only when he is sure that after receiving a new kidney, the sick man will not revert to his bad habit, will the compassionate one consider giving him a kidney. Otherwise he will gladly let the sick man die. This is love as only death will awaken the man’s spirit to change. You must not think that Jesus healed every sick person He saw on earth; neither did He bring every dead person He was back to life. He only healed those who such healing will help their spiritual accent; and He only raised the dead who in so doing will be helped spiritually.

Secondly, soon people will start killing others for their organs. Or people will start selling their organs just to make money. The rich will gladly ravel in their bad habits knowing they can afford to buy and replace any failing organ. The resultant is that man continues on his folly against nature and the law of creation which will give every individual a healthy life if adhered to.

Hence the right path to health is natural living and living in accord with the laws of God. If mankind follow this way, the need for organ transplant will not arise in the first place. Most of the ailments that torment mankind today stem from our rebellion against nature and the laws of creation. Nature heals! A true healer will never separate himself or his practice from nature.

Despite all, one individual cannot reverse the graves of wrong doing that the entire mankind has dug for thousands of centuries. Hence if an individual, out of love, decides to give one of his healthy organs to his friend, brother, or partner, I cannot say that he did wrong. Especially if the one needing it didn’t damage his out of bad habit. As you already know, in every issue, the underlining spiritual motive carries the most weight.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@justcool, please can I share your explanations on my facebook wall?? I will glad to.

Speer:
Hello @Marverick09,

Thanks.

Do you know of any more such publications/books like the one mentioned?

Thanks again.

@Speer, for the now I do not have more of such books. However, when I come in contact with any in the future I will be glad to let you know. The one I mentioned above is in two parts. Part one, The True in Images: The Two Brothers and Part Two: The Mystery of the Ring. Found online.

Speer:
Hello all,

General Comment:

When someone is still somewhat new to the Message (months and even years) and the related writings (Past Eras, From Past Millennia, Q&As........etc) and also to the writings by other authors (e.g. R. von Sass)--------it can be over-whelming both intuitively and intellectually. It may help some people to come to conviction if they can find "earthly" or "intellectual earthly" historical accuracy/correlation with the events so described................and the opposite can happen also.

While the principle/idea of "horse before fly or fly before horse vs. deep intuitive understanding of the Message" is valid, one should strive to have patience with those asking such questions as it may just be a reflection of their state of "maturity/consciousness" in/of The Message at that particular point in time and also keep in mind what is stated in the above first paragraph-----
In brief, let patience and perhaps some good humour be shown towards those making such inquiries as was done by the Son of God, the Apostles and numerous other Called ones and Sent Seers to humanity in the past.

Of course, there is the option of keeping some self-control and just politely ignoring the query as well :-).

Thanks to all for your contributions.

@Speer what a beautiful post you just shared. Every single sentence you have written is a fact. I so much love it. Thanks brother. I once read a book titled: "The True in Images" where the birth of the Son of God in Bethlehem and birth of the Son of Man in Bifschowerda were mathematically proven. . The author's statement: "All the facts evoked in the book are historically verifiable. The description of monuments,of works of arts, of documents are proven and, the images shown have been carried out with NASA WORLD WIND 2009 software, and this images are on the scale of the Earth, of extreme precision. In a word, the story present The Truth in Images. . . . . . . @Speer, in order words your statement "such "earthly intellectual" information could actually help one come to conviction" is actually correct for many. Hence, the reason I shared the book The True in Images by Gaspard Nesomet

Continued . . . . . . . . . When everyone had sat on benches, Isaiah said: "I am going to reveal the message I received from my spiritual guide, so that you can judge its value. My guide received the message from one above him, who received it from one who is even higher, and so on. In this way, the message was relayed from uttermost heights down to Earth. Listen to the words I heard and see the image, just as I saw it: A Queen came from the highest of all the heavens which have ever been created! She was wrapped in a mantle which resembled the starry sky of our Earth, but She shone brighter and more intensely than the Sun! A crown of stars covered her head! Beside her, surrounded by her radiation, was a boy! He looked like a child. And the Queen in blue radiation called him her son! But I saw how the child grew. HE grew and became a youth whose magnificence I was allowed to see, "IMANUEL" is His name, said the magnificent Queen. And his other names are: Power, Force, Justice, Wisdom, Light, Eternity! And Regent of the Universe! He is the Ruler of the Universe who will come to human beings as Judge! The day of Judgment of humanity is coming closer, so soon their time will be over. The of Judge of the Universe, who is also called Justice, will separate the living from the dead with the Word from his mouth. And there shall be many more dead than living. During this time, which is drawing nearer, most human souls will have withered and faded! And, from the beginning until the end, human beings will worship their own idols! On the day of Judgment, which will come over all human beings, morning and day shall be dark night! But the Universal Judge will indicate a path to his people. It will be the sacred path which leads to Zion, the Homeland of Light!" . . . . . . . . . "My wife Sarai saw all that I had seen and also heard everything I had heard. She hasn't forgotten anything. . . "Then came the day when my guide called me, and said he had another message for me. This message stated the following: A construction is being erected in the land of the Egyptians that will be an exhortation and an altar. It will endure thoughout time until the end of human beings' Judgment! The colossal stone construction is a sign from the Lord of all the Worlds, for it will testify his coming to Earth. The stones speak a powerful language! They will reveal important changes in the course of human fate to whoever can read their language. This construction is a sign and a witness of the Lord of all Worlds, who is at the summit of Creation! He, whose name is Imanuel, will come to Earth to judge mankind! The time can be measured using a rod inside the construction! Whoever wants to know the time of the beginning and the emd of the Last Judgmemt must take a rod and use it to search for the point in time indicated on the stones. He will find it.!" . . "After my guide had finished, my wife and I got down on our knees and praised Imanuel loudly, the Lord of all worlds, the Spirit of Power, the Spirit of Justice, the Spirit of Life, the Spirit of Eternity! And now we have come to see the work and the stones, where there will so much to be read!" (Bible, Isaiah 19v19-21) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Isaiah came to see Sunrid so he could make known another message he had received recently and could have it written down." . . "When they were all together, Isaid said: "I shall be reborn on Earth and carry the same name I have today. I shall be an announcer, for the spiritual guides of humanity will transmit a message to mankind through my lips. This message will say: Before the last judgement of mankind, another Envoy will come from the utmost Heights! He will be called Savior and Prince of Peace! He will teach the people and live among them, showing them the paths they must follow, if they want to save themselves! For at that time a great spiritual affliction will reign on Earth! . . . . . . . . This second sublime Prince of Light will live in a country not far from my present homeland. Counting from today, two thirds of the time that separates us from the Judgment will have passed, when this Prince of Light comes to Earth." . . . . . . "We didn't know anything about the coming of this second Savior and Prince of Light," Siptha said thoughtfully. "We knew only about a Princeof Light who will come to the Arabs. This Prince is closely connected to the Lord of all Worlds, the Lord of the Pyramid. It can be said that he is inseparably connected to him! He will live in a region which is now still under the spiritual dominion of Chaldea." Before Isaiah could express his opinion, Jaser said: "All the wise-men of Chaldea received this message about the coming Judgment of humanity. At the same time, they were told about the coming of the Lord of all Worlds, who would unleash this Judgment! Only Sargon and some of the initiated have received the message of the birth on Earth of the second Prince of Light." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @justcool, while I can't say with all certainty the above is authentic. You can see that from Roselis accounts Isaiah incarnated twice, first before Abdrushin and later after Him. Like you have rightly said, I too do not have the ability to discredit her work. I can only read them and absorb what us clear and leave what is not till a time such will be clear.

@justcool, indeed I do not doubt your explanations above and neither do I doubt that of Roselis. In fact, I am more inclined to understand yours than that of her's especially in the area of the document titled 'Where is the Homeland of Abdrushin'. I find it hard to accept the explanations in that documents but it's a personal perception though which is subject to review as more angles of explanations are brought to light from discussions like this. The following are excerpts from her book: . . . . . . . . . . . . Six thousand five hundred years still seperate us from the time of judgement of mankind! It is only a small fraction of the nearly immeasurable period of development once granted to mankind. These six thousand five hundred years are the last period in which every human being must attain his aim." . . . Horam, the astronomer, who had been standing silently beside Sargon, began to speak. "The pyramid shall be a prophecy in stone. The beginning and the end of the time of judgment, as well as the dates of all the important events of human destiny shall be marked on it. Moreover, measurements and ratios of this gigantic construction will carry much information. For instance, it will be possible to calculate the distance from our planet to the Sun, as well as the duration of the solar year and the and the weight and density of Earth. "This huge construction will be exactly in the middle of the Earth. A line crossing the middle of the pyramid will divide land and sea into two equal halves." "So the construction will not be built in our country?" someone inquired. Horam shook his head. "Here it would not be in the middle. Moreover, we already know that throughout the next 6,500 years many natural phenomena will strike our country." . . "The pyramid will be built in Egypt. As soon as the constructor arrives, the luminous guides who transmitted this task to us will show him the exact place." . . . . . . . . . Listen Guil, the secrets of the pyramid will be unraveled before the Universal Judgment is unleashed. Researchers and scientists will realize to their amazement, that events of crucial importance actually occured on the dates marked on the stones. "According to their measurements, they will also find the dates for the beginning and the end of the universal judgment! "The accuracy of these dates indicated in the pyramid will be proof to the researchers, that the dates concerning the beginning and the end of the great judgment must also be correct. The spiritual message lying in the structure of the pyramid will become public knowledge at the right moment, since some of us will be on Earth and it will be easy for us to find the key to decipher the language of the stones." . . . . . . . "Almost everyone, it says in the prediction," observed Horam. "The few who don't yet belong to the dead will be helped! A Savior originating from the utmost heights will come to mankind before the time of the end, in order to help those few who still look towards the Light. If the coming of this Savior had not been planned, there would be only the dead by the time of the coming of the judge of the universe! According to our time division, 4,500 years will pass before the time of the sublime Savior. Our astronomers have indicated this date in the pyramid." . . . . . . . "Each spiritual message expressed in such colossal stone structure shall endure throughout the millennia. Neither renegade kings nor idolatrous priests will be able to change or destroy any of this." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Isaiah: "Years ago, when I received great message from the Light, I wanted to travel to Kaldi(Chaldea) or to the People of the Sun, who knew the art of writing, so that their wise men or priests could write down this message. Thus, it would not get lost. My inner voice told me to wait. I obeyed and waited. And now, here I am. Neither my wife nor I have the gift of forming writing signs." "Here message can be written down exactly," Sunrid said, to relieve Isaiah's worries about writing. . . "What made us come here immediately when we heard that the construction had begun, was the prophecy of the Ruler of the Universe who will come to unleash the judgment among mankind," Isaiah explained. . . To be continued

justcool:
@ Marverick09

Thanks for your questions.

First, I will like to encourage you to not to leave this forum; please stay and ask any questions you may have. I don’t think that m_nwankwo in his post, was persuading you to refrain from asking questions, so please stay. And always point out things in my post that you do not understand. The Truth speaks for itself and it’s never afraid of being questioned.



I know that there are many books that claim to be received in the proximity of Abd-ru-shin. Some of them were actually written after His earthly demise. I personally hold as authority only the ones received while He was on earth, and published by the same company that published His Grail message. He also alluded to them in a lecture in ‘Resonances to the Grail message.’ To further validate their truthfulness, He answered questions about one of them in ‘Questions and Answers,” when a question was sent to Him about the Incas. These are the forerunner series, ‘From Past millennia,’ and the 3 volumes of ‘Past Eras Awaken.’ I understand that their contents were tempered with after the departure of Abd-ru-shin; but the originals can easily be gotten. A lot of German cross bearers still have the original copies in German, and they are very generous with them, some upload them on line, and one can easily have a translator translate them.
For the sake of clearing some misconceptions, not to discredit Rosilis Von Saas, I do not think that Rosilis wrote any of her books while Abd-ru-shin was on earth. I believe her books came after the departure of Abd-ru-shin; She herself is an adherent of the 3 volume editions of the Grail message called edition of the last hand. I have come across some of her writings online, I only read them and decide for myself; I actually have a copy of one where she wrote that Oscar Ernst Bernhardt is a human spirit; the article is titled "Where is the home of Abd-ru-shin." It is circulating all over the internet; you might have read it. I don't think it is appropriate to upload it here, otherwise I would have done so. However, like I said, far be it from me to judge her and say she is wrong; that would be stepping beyond my limits as a human spirit. I will only always share my perception, you should only take what resonates within you and the rest you are very free to throw away.

About the issue of bisection, whether you believe that Cassandra came before Abd-ru-shin or vice-verse, it is still correct to say that Maria is a bisection of Imanuel in Parsifal, and that this bisection occurred after His first earthly advent. Remember that Maria with Divine unsubstantiate core remains in the Divine realm above Paradise; and works in creation through a vessel. I said clearly in my explanation that this Divine unsubstantiate Maria was given a vessel in creation. These vessels are not empty shelves, but living beings. Hence, this vessel could incarnate on earth before becoming a vessel for Maria; this vessel could have incarnated on earth before the unsubstantiated core in Parsifal bisected. Even, Nahome, at her first earthly incarnation had not become a vessel for Irmingard because at the time Irmingard was still just a Devine being, the spark of unsubstantiality had not be given to her.

Hence you don’t necessarily need to throw away the fact of Parsifal’s bisection, to hold on to Rosilis view that Cassandra incarnated first; they both do not really oppose each other. However to do so, you will have to agree that in her first incarnation she was not yet the vessel for the Maria the unsubstantiate Love of God.

Each individual should only take what resonates within him; always feel free to throw away any of my perceptions does not resonate within you; I remain a human spirit striving towards the light and hence can very well be wrong. The Grail message is the ultimate authority.



And I thank you for this. At this stage in development, I hold on to my perception on this issue; you should hold on to yours too. As we develop, one day will find out who is wrong; I pray that then, we will be allowed to share our realization to one another. Spiritual life is all about movement; some go through detours and bypaths, some may even hold on to a wrong view for a while. Hence I wish not to take away what you hold sacred. As long as we are really striving or experiencing, then no worries, we will one day arrive at the truth in this or any issues.


This, I always encourages my readers to do. I actually appreciate it. Questions or challenges will never hurt me if I’m right in my views; it will only strengthen me if my views are right, your questions will only weaken them if they are not in accord with the Truth. Therefore by challenging or questioning me, you are helping me and my accent.



Like I will always say; I do not intend to take away what you or anybody hold sacred or correct. Everything, books, and teachings that people hold or adhere to represent stages of spiritual development. I cannot tell you to throw it away and accept mine; all I will tell you is to experience it. By experiencing it you will mature to the Truth of what it really is. Since it resonates within you, it is a reflection of something within you, be it wrong or right, you will have to thoroughly experience it in order to see it as it really is. Therefore, my good friend, feel free to follow your heart.



Thanks for this very worthy question.
A lot of people have asked this question, indeed some even tried to discredit the Grial message bassed on the appeerant contradiction. Somebody pointed out that even the book ‘From Past Miliniea’ reported Abd-ru-shin telling Nahome about His next earthly incarnation to bring judgment, yet the Grail message said that it was initially planed that the son of man will be on earth to bring judgment, that this became necessary after Jesus saw the failure of mankind and asked for it. This is a riddle that many have battled with.
It is my perception that the answer to this can also be found in the Grail message. One must come to terms that Immanuel, The son of man, Parsifal, although linked, are not exactly the same. Although sometimes these names are used interchangeably, but when it comes to Truth, one has to let go of words and absorb with his spirit. Not being able to do this is part of the reason why the message of Jesus concerning the Son of man was not understood; the listeners mixed two distinct people into one. The same way as we easily mix Imanuel, Parsifal, and the same.

What then is the difference? Imanuel is the son(part) of God; the creative will of God Whose activity is not limited to creation. Since He is the creative Will of God, for anything to be created, His radiation is needed. Hence a part of Him was sent to the Grail castle at the border of Divine substantiate sphere, to radiate outside so that creation can come into being outside the Divine substantiate sphere. Hence a part of Imanuel received a Divine substantiate cloak and dwelled at the Grail castle for the purpose of coming into being of creation, to which man belongs; This is the son of man. Just as God has unavoidable radiation, the unsubstantiate core in the son of man also has unavoidable radiation. This unavoidable radiation which was sent outside the border of the Divine sphere is Parsifal. Parsifal is the Son of man’s radiation cloaked with purest substance of the Primordial spiritual. Hence Parsifal is the cloak or anchorage of the Son of man. Both are two distinct persons yet inseparably linked by radiation. Out of the radiation of Parsifal creation took on form; hence Parsifal is the King, the ruler of all the worlds(creation)

However, the son of Man remains outside creation, in the Grail castle within the Divine substantiate sphere and Parsifal in an annex to the castle outside the Divine substantiate sphere. It was only after distances, unimaginable too the human brain, from Parsifal that the first plane of the Primordial spiritual sphere could condense and take on form. Hence Parsifal is not really in the Primordial spiritual planes as it is often thought; He cannot be placed on any of the Primordial spiritual planes; He is simply above all creation. In the initial chapters of the Grail message, one may get the idea that Parsifal is in the first plane of the Primordial spiritual sphere; however, this is just gradually introducing the reader to the reality. Just as one, in describing the sky to a child, might say that the sun is in the sky; but as the child matures, he gets initiated to fact that the sun is indeed terribly far from the sky. The relationship between Parsifal and the first plane of the Primordial sphere can be analogized by the relationship between the sun and the earth; a rough analogy though.

After the failure of Lucifer, who was sent as a support for creation; creation suffered especially subsequent creation which became cut off from the rest. And since creation is a whole, the consequence was that even the spiritual sphere weakened; since the spiritual currents leaving it into subsequent creation no longer returned as the law of reciprocal action ordained. Hence to halt the catastrophe which otherwise may have resulted, or to strengthen the spiritual sphere and bridge the gulf caused by the influence of Lucifer, It became necessarily to have a closer connection between the spiritual sphere and Divinity unsubstantiate. For this reason, a volition, which took on form arouse in the son of man. This volition which is a part of the son of man, and a living personality, was incarnated into the Primodial spiritual sphere. He received a body of Primodial spiritual substance; and hence, although His core is Divine unsubstantiate, He is part Divine and part spiritual. Through this connection and incarnation, greater energy flowed into the Primordial spiritual sphere, greatly strengthening it and the entire creation. Of course this volition of the Son of man in creation has to start as a child and gradually grow into adulthood. And of course, this incarnation into the Primordial spiritual sphere had to happen through Parsifal who is the gate from Divine into creation; and also through the primordial queen. Hence the imagines we see of the Primordial queen carrying the infant Son of Man. And also, this child had to spend His youth in the Grail castle due to so reasons already discussed in this thread. This incarnated son of man is called Imanuel; It was this incarnation into the Primodial spiritual plane that Isaiah was allowed to see and report on earth.

All the ancient Prophecies talking about the coming of the King of creation to earth at the end times for judgment, refers to the coming of Parsifal. The coming that was promised a long time ago; for this coming the volition of Parsifal took on form and descended into the earth for the first time, this first coming was in preparation for His coming during judgment coming. It is my perception that it was Him who was supposed to descend into the earth for judgment. The Son of man however, was only supposed descend as far as the ethereal realm(Coming in the clouds) to receive those who have passed the judgment and lead them into the kingdom of God, or to subjugate subsequent creation and make it part of God’s kingdom. But seeing that the earth and earthly humanity is in danger of destruction that judgment will bring, Christ prayed that the son of man should descend all the way down to the earth for the protection of the earth and the followers of the Truth.

When the time came, at first it was Parsifal in His volition that incarnated and wrote the Living message. Afterwards, when the time came, Imanuel the son of man descended into Parsifal or into the physical body of Parsifal. At this point Parsifal functioned only as a cloak; while the animating core was Imanuel the son of man. The power that descended into this cloak was so much; but this cloak has been trained or purified to bear it, a process or preparation that took thousands of years. The called ones who incarnated on earth to draw this power, modify it and pass on to mankind failed; this drawing would have counterbalanced the attraction or the pull of the luminous realms on Imanuel. The little that mankind was able to draw, they used wrongly and almost annihilated each other with it in a senseless war. And when Power well up in Him and found none to flow to; His physical body could not handle it anymore. Based on the law of attraction of homogenous species He was pulled back to His home.

This is my perception.

Thanks and remain blessed

@justcool, is one safe to say that the volition of Imanuel Who is enthroned in the Divine part of the Grail Castle gave birth to another Son of Man who was raised in the Primordial Spiritual plane also named Imanuel, while the the Volition of Parsifal also a personality in the first incarnation on earth. Can it be said they are four but yet ONE in their working

@justcool, it is with great respect that I always view your explanations for it addresses the issues at hand with great humility and respect for the questionnaire. After which it is left for the one who ask to examine deeply. Hats off for you sir. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @Ezebrain, it would be better for those who think my questions are of "intellectual sagacity" or out of wanting to know better to not respond to them. For I direct my questions to a particular persons. Yet again, if one feels the urge to give a reply to them when it is not addressed to them I particular they should mind the use of words and try to be humble in responding. . . I have been following this thread for so long and discovered that justcool and mnwankwo so far are the only ones who respond to questions without giving an air of superiority in their explanations. Hence the reason I addressed the question to him, and even while explaining to me, with the timelines and maps, he never used such words as wanting more or how will that benefit the human spirit. He explained to the best of his ability and asked me to take what I can from them. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .@justcool your above explanation totally resonate in me, I have always known that every volition of Parsifal are a personality but when I try to find clarification from other crossbearers if what I am experiencing within me is in line I am rebuffed for wanting to know more. I am really grateful that you answered. Truly grateful. I wish I could have a private chat with you where no one will interfere and tell me I am seeking more out of intellectual sagacity. As for the document of Roselis Von Sass you mentioned I have examined it and it never resonated with me. Yet again I still read her books but that which is not clear I set aside for the time being till I receive clarification for them. When I asked the question about who came first, it wasn't to find out who is right or wrong but to receive deeper insights just like you have done justice to it. Those who thought they saw that I was asking out vanity did so wrongly. The first time I tried to share my findings of th old version of the Message with a staunch crossbearer of the lasthand, I was accused of shifting my allegiance to the Valley. He actually said it was the people from the valley that are secretly bringing up the old version, yet it was false. People should answer a question sent their way if they feel the urge to do so, if not they should decline with humility and not with a feeling superiority . Thanks a million times @justcool.

@Loj, I appreciate your openness. I would be glad if Crossbears, adherents and seekers on this forum as well as in other places strive to refrain from using such statements like wanting to know more or it's the work of the darkness when people with different perception totally different from theirs speak or ask questions. I believe Abdrushin is the only One with the knowledge and Power to correctly survey mankind and hence know when questions are put forward out of vanity. . We are all guided in different ways. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @mnwankwo, the reason I asked was because of the explanations proferred by justcool concerning Maria as a collection of the feminine Part of Parsifal who he said later incarnated as Casandra in order for her to experience matter after Parsifal's first incarnation. And yet one who was gifted to pen down most of the transmitted writings back then speaks of her coming before Abdrushin's first earthly experiencing seen from her visions. . . . . . . . . . I wanted someone who can clear the misunderstanding in the timelines. For lately I am beginning to see and hear people from various quarters receiving visions from the Light, yet receive opposing visions. Countering themselves in explanation. And in the words of Paul according to the scriptures, the Lord is not a Lord of confusion. Yet their are confusion among crossbearers in all countries. Each claiming to hold the right interpretation of the Message and at the same time saying we absorb the Message according to our maturity. But they fail to see that even in different levels of maturity knowledge evolves. Gaps are needed to be filled and were one offers an explanation with certainty today only to discover tomorrow that what he offered was only part. I have come to realize not to compulsorily hold on to my perception 100%. I give room for deeper insights that throw more lights on grey areas and build on my current perception. Hence the reason I quietly listen to other adherents err their perceptions so I can build on my knowledge till it gets to conviction and becomes unshakeable. . . But people should not present their perception as absolute. That would be wrong I think, even if they have conviction of it. It should still be presented as a personal one. For I have come across many who spoke authoritatively that they KNOW Abdrushin rewrote His Message only to later change that view after finally summoning the courage to examine the old edition. Some speak of the divinity of Frau Maria and Fraulein Irmingard with absolute certainty, yet they have never come across Abdrushin's lecture titled "The Bridge to The New Covenant" were it is explained in all their years as crossbearers . . . I have gone too far, perhaps just to buttress a point. That those who offer explanation should do so with simplicity as justcool has always done. Thanks to you all you guys

@mnwankwo &loj, maybe the reason I personally despise that statement is because for most crossbearers I perceive an air of importance. . . The first time I heard about the 1931 edition, I was made to understand by a crossbearer that those who read it go mad, so as a result I shied away. He said those who want to know more are the ones who want to read it. Little did I know I would come across it again online. Then I decided to find out if its true people go mad after reading it. And behold it was all lies and misconception. . . After examining it to see for myself I went to a circle to enquire about the veracity of it's contents but I received the same treatment and was told I wanted to know more and ever since then I hear it so often that I get pieced-off when I do. . . . . . I have been a longtime follower of your post(mnwankwo) and that of justcool as a guest for many years. They are enlightening and in many areas render answers to questions that are within me. The only reason I came down from being a guest is when I realized justcool has finally examined the 1931 edition during the period he was on a spiritual retreat. I knew inwardly the retreat had something to do with the 1931 editio, so I waited patiently for when he would make reference to the edition. And behold he did. Then I realized I could at least ask some of my questions that still require deep insight since we are somehow on the same page. . . . . . . . . . . . . . But when statements like seeking more is used. I feel disappointed since I feel people who use them are creating an air of importance. . . . . . . . . . . . I have many friends who has told me crossbearers always act arrogantly with knowledge. And I tell them it's true since I experience it too. When one is privilege to read a book others have not read we tend to present it as if the knowledge of the transmission came from us(I am not referring to both of you for you lead people to the Message). . . . . . . . . . . I think I would rather go back up as a guest and continue to read post from you guys take what I can leave what I don't comprehend. Rather than come down and ask and then receive the response of wanting to know more. I always love post that go straight to the point to explain rather than use those words. I have been wondering how people with great insights and visions could not realize in one of their visions that the edition of the last hand was not authorised by the Light even though it contains truths but arranged different from order of the Light. And yet those without visions could. Thanks all the same.

LoJ:
I followed the link you gave and saw the picture of the author. Surprisingly I had a vision of him this night, before I read your post.

I wish you blessings.

@Loj, I don't know the author of the link. However, I do have the book 'The Great Pyramid Reveals It's Secrets by Roselis Von Sass. I came the link of Mr. Mbah recently and discovered he too has read the book and wrote an article about it. I only chose to share his link, maybe it will urge others to examine the work of Roselis Von Sass. . . . . . . . . As for the mathematical exactitude, according to the book in question, those who receied the vision then in Chaldea, the astrologers and mathemations will also be present in the time of the end in order to help decipher what that once inscribed on the walls of the pyramid. It is stated in the book that it is so willed by The Light. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . About the vision you saw, I would advise next time not to give hint about things you will clearly not want to divulge. For I know you will refrain from speaking about the vision you had if ask to divulge it since it concerns someone else.

@Loj, in my perception, there's nothing to be corrected in what you have stated. You are in order. However, the books are available for humanity to take advantage of and examine it's contents. Hence, the reason they were all permitted by the Light to come into existence. Personally, I believe they are meant to be guide into Creation's archive in order for the records to be set straight. But the limitation of the seer in rendering what he perceives correctly as well as the limitation of those who examine the accounts becomes a factor in grasping aright. . . . . We are admonished to examine all books that speak of the Light in the scriptures, and that advice is what I have always heeded. For many a gap in my knowledge are bridged when I examine various books while illuminating them with the Message. . . . . . . I shudder when I hear the statement seeking more is the work of the intellect(Frontal Brain) when Abdrushin in His Message clearly states that many will come after Him who will pick a sentence from His Message and write a whole book. Thereby expanding many a concept that is hidden in a single sentence. Who are those to read the books if reading them is regarded as a sign intellectual weakness of seeking more. . . . . . . . . .Why do Crossbearers always use that line instead of offering an explanation to those who ask if they have the answers, but if they don't have they stay silent rather than say one is seeking more. In most of my discussions with crossbearers, I discovered that those who do not have the answers to questions posed to them are the ones who normally use that line. Those who have the answers gladly offer them without using such lines. While those who see you as a new reader of the Message guide you in their explanation to the point you receive the answers you seek without them stating it categorically to you. And you leave their presence joyfully. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I ask my questions in genuiness so I can fill the gaps within. . . . For He says, "I wish to feel the gaps to questions which have been in the souls of men, and which never leave any serious thinker in peace". . . . . . . I have also noticed that there are many concept in which crossbearers have divergent opposing views held as 100% correct without leaving room for upward review of their views. In my opinion it is being wrong. I am ever evolving in areas I don't understand even if the view is different from the mainstream crossbearers or adherent. Sometimes I get conviction from examining books regarded as forbidden and a gap is bridged. So I think it is not fair to use the statement 'seeking more' in a case I am trying to find clarification. . .That is my submission. Thanks and remain remain blessed.

@justcool. From the above one can see that in Roselis account, the Pyramid was built 6,500years ago while modern day accounts says it about 4,500years ago by Khufu. And then Roselis speaks of falsification by Khufu so as to make posterity think it was actually him who built the Pyramid. . Her account speaks of Isaiah receiving the vision of the Pyramid while it was under construction and then journeyed to Egypt with his wife to behold it. Ana he(Isaiah) was given another vision which says he will incarnate again 3,700years after and still bear the same and still a prophet. . . . . . . . . . There's so much confusion with so many accounts.

The great pyramid of Giza, end time prophecies and king Cheops.

ONE OF THE SEVEN WONDERS OF THE ANCIENT WORLD, THE PYRAMID OF GIZA, HAS remained an enigma even to pyramidologists. Scholars have devoted their life to the studies of this enigma, but few have been able to unravel the mystery behind the building of this edifice. The mystery of the mathematical precision of its dimensions, and the fact that this is being discovered at this time shows even the accuracy of its own predictions-like Nostradamus who predicted his own death and the date when his body will be exhumed and transferred to a different grave. Unfortunately the full implication of the pyramid and its prophecies must continue to be an enigma as long as the fundamental issues are neglected.

Through the Grail Message, enlightenment also came to mankind on the significance of this work.

The pyramid was built about six thousand five hundred years ago-two thousand five hundred years before the destruction of Troy (which coincided with the era of Abraham); four thousand five hundred years B.C.E. and three thousand years before Moses. It was built about five thousand five hundred years after the sinking of Atlantis. In my earlier write-up about Atlantis, I indicated that the real Atlanteans, or the Erarians, all perished when Atlantis sank, and made up what today we describe as the Arian race in their further incarnations. Many may have been part of the then home of knowledge in Chaldea, the then world center of knowledge. And it was in Chaldea that the pyramid of Giza was conceptualized. Clairvoyants and mediums of very high repute were able to see the replica of the pyramid in the beyond, and were commissioned to wait for the master builder who will translate it to the material world. And this master builder was to be found in Arabia. His name was Pyramon.

Pyramon journeyed to Chaldea because he has been told by the Wiseman in Arabia, who studied under Sargon the Priest-King of Chaldea, whose name was Magog, that his life work lies in going to the land of the wise men to receive instructions on the building of a prophetic monument on earth, which will be an earthly imitation of the pyramid that exists at the source of creations. (The one at the summit of creations is a diamond crystal subsumed by flames.)There he was presented with the model of the pyramid which he has often seen in his dreams. He was told that the giants will only work with him or no one else, and that the pyramid will be the last work that the giants will do in collaboration with human beings.

Perhaps it is necessary to explain who the giants are. To explain that would entail going into mythology, at least, to bring out the basic remnants of knowledge that has been transmitted to us through fables and myth. For example, we know through the Greek mythology that there was an Atlas that held the sky at the summit of the Atlas Mountains. And we also know through the Greeks that there were gods who interact with human beings. But what may sound strange to people is that these so called gods are still in existence today, and that some human beings still interact with them because they see them. Of more recent controversies is the fact that some people, like the famous author of Shylock Holmes series of detective works, were able to see these and documented their interaction with gnomes.

Among this group of beings are giants. These giants have their field of activity, not in the ethereal plane, but in the medium gross matter, generally known as the astral plane by mystical pseudoscience. They also have the ability to work at the various intermediate planes between the astral plane and the physical world. That was why it was possible for people to see them with particularly sensitive physical eyes. That was also why they can work directly on the physical world at the same time as the astral world, also having their influence in the ethereal. They worked with Hjalfder millions of years ago, with Ororun in Atlantis twelve thousand years ago, and were the guardians of the treasures of Ara-Mazda's ruined palace in Iran. But their last active collaboration with human beings was during the construction of the great pyramid. They are called the giants because of their great size. This aught to be differentiated from those giant beings whose duties are the protection of places of worship.





The exact position of the pyramid was carefully selected. It is meant to be at the center of the world, ninety degrees east of the Bermuda triangle. And this center was not in Chaldea; not in Arabia but in Egypt. Today it can be identified at the exact intercession point between longitude 30 degrees east and latitude 30 degrees north. Initially this was meant to be the intersection between latitude 0 degree and longitude zero degrees. But the use of modern units changed all that-coupled with the fact that the earth has been changing in its orbital position due to increasing rigidity resulting from dark ethereal clouds.It is separated from the Bermuda triangle by 90 degrees.

On being instructed by Sargon the Priest king of Chaldea, Gum Kolbe, a hoary old man of over two hundred years of age, and who looked far younger, was assigned to instruct him using a model that was already constructed for the purpose. Pyramon had later to build another model all by himself to acquaint himself of the difficulties and challenges involved. At this time, Tishbe, a teenager who was linked to Pyramon with a supra earthly bond of love, came to Chaldea from Arabia and was briefly with him before he left for Akeru in Egypt. Tishbe's job was to help fight the Luciferian religious cults that demand for the glorification of the female body, killings and falsehood for its sustenance. She later went to meet Pyramon in Egypt and was able to prevent him from being poisoned a second time by one of the priestesses of the new god, Septu, also known as Lucifer or Baal. Priestesses of this "god" had once attempted to murder Pyramon through poison to prevent him from completing the pyramid. They all but succeeded, and Pyramon was In coma for several weeks. All the healers of Akeru did everything they know of but to no avail, hence they had no option but to appeal to the Elemental lord of healing and medicine to personally intervene. Aesculapius heeded their request and came by himself. His lower subordinates, the gods of thunder and lightning, displayed in the announcement of his coming, and he came and was able to unite Pyramon back to his body.

About five hundred years later, when Lucifer succeeded in taking over the control of Pharaohs as their guide and adviser, he was known as Re or Ra. Lucifer, of course, was not seen personally by these Pharaohs but his emanations. At that time, he was sending messages to the people through his priestesses in the name of the Lord of the Sun. The being in charge of the sun is masculine while those in charge of the moon and the earth are female respectively. Thus the much touted word mother-father-earth is an aberration.

The spiritual bond between Pyramon and Tishbe was a very strong one and later resulted in the fable of a tragic love affair between Pyramus and Tishbe that ended in double suicide. Only a vague recollection of the truth sufficed for this.

Before the appearance of Pyramon, The giants were already busy gathering the stones and cutting them to shape for the construction. They brought the stones from far and wide through the process that today may be called the process of Apportation. Today, discarnate entities are able to move objects from far distances in the presence of a medium-activities which some so called magicians utilize to mesmerize their audience. Pyramon concentrated on the pyramid while some others, including one who, three thousand seven hundred years later would be re-incarnated in Israel as Isaiah, handled the sphinx.

The significance of the pyramid

The pyramid is called "prophecy on stone" and rightly so. The reason why it was built was to warn about the last judgment that will befall mankind 6500 years after it was built. Each single stone placed there has significance. Distances represent historical time. Let us examine in broad outline the significance of certain features of the pyramid.

The Queen's chamber is an indication that their will be a female envoy from the luminous heavens. This envoy is already known in ancient times. In most places, temples are built in honor of Isis the goddess of love. This happens to be an elemental being that swings in the radiation of this envoy, just as Astarte is a being that swings in the radiation of the Queen of Purity. She is the first to be incarnated in the world of matter. Calculations show that he will be around 2500 years from the construction of the pyramid, i.e., 2000 years B.C.E. She came around the modern day western border of turkey, called Troy at that time. Her activities as Cassandra were mentioned in the Iliad of Homer. Homer himself was only relieving far memory as he may have been around during the destruction of Troy. Her death coincided with the destruction of Troy because none of her warnings was heeded. She died in an enclosed room.

The part that leads to the chamber indicates a bifurcation where a part heads downwards to the abyss. It signifies that a part of mankind will not be heading for the luminous heights but to the abyss. The enclosed chambers signify two things: that she will die in an enclosed chamber and that all her warnings will not be heeded. This was fulfilled in the activities' of Cassandra in troy that died in an enclosed room due to the machinations of Clymnestra, Agamemnon's estranged queen.

At her death in troy, a great earthquake happened at the pyramid around 2000 B.C.E.

The first envoy that came was during the time of Moses, 500 years after the death of Cassandra. In fact, many that failed in their duties during the time of Troy reincarnated within that time to redeem themselves by service to the light envoy. He had his kingdom in Sudan and was the power behind the activities of Moses. He was murdered just when Moses was taking the Israelites out of Egypt by agents of pharaoh Ramses II. The death resulted in a second earthquake at the pyramid, few days before Moses parted the red sea for the Israelites to pass. This was represented by the airy chamber.

The second airy chamber represents the coming of Jesus Christ. Both chambers are airy with high ceilings. Christ lived and worked in Israel. He was crucified as a troublesome truth bringer. At his death, according to the letter of Pontius Pilate to Cesar explaining his role on the issue, there was an earthquake in Egypt which killed a seer. A priest of Apollo declared:"It is either the author of creation is suffering or the world is coming to an end."

This was the third earthquake at the pyramid.

After the second airy chamber, which depicts the appearance of the second envoy from the luminous heights, the path narrows down and the ceiling becomes so low that whoever is walking along the corridor is forced to go down on all fours, looking down. This depicts the near complete subjection of the whole of mankind to the domination of the intellect which is bound to space and time and anchored in the material. Humanity could no longer look up to the luminous heights. This can be represented by the dark ages, which engulfed the whole of mankind and which only changes its cloak up to the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. Of the dark ages stripped us of the human dignity and made us crawl like beast on the ground. Human spirits should be uprightly gazing towards the luminous heights. But gradually the corridor becomes higher again, indicating the time of resurgence of knowledge on earth. However, this knowledge shows we are not having the desire of change of heart and recognition of the guilt we were so recently burdened and for which, according to the irrevocable laws of God, we must pay dearly for. Hence it necessitates the narrowing of the corridor again until what pyramidologists may be able to calculate to fall towards the early part of the twentieth century, when the corridor becomes airy again. Then an unexpected wall appears again to completely block the road. This is the cosmic turning point; the end of the period of development for human beings. This is marked by the sudden turning of the corridor into a large hall with an empty, ugly coffin. The floor of this hall is rough and uneven, with cracks on the roof. THIS IS THE HALL OF JUDGMENT. Knowing ones already know when the judgment is scheduled to start. But the measurement of the height of the chamber gives the accurate number of years that the judgment is going to last. The roughness of the terrain, the eerie nature of the whole place indicates the period of tribulation. The empty coffin indicates the resurrection of all that is dead to pass judgment on themselves and the fulfillment of the prophecies of the end time.





Every large hall in the pyramid is meant to indicate the coming of an envoy from the luminous heights.In this instance, love precedes justice, though in the eternal scheme of things love cannot be separated from justice for they are one. Thus Cassandra was meant to bring a message of love and point towards the coming of the envoy that lived in present day Sudan during the time of Moses. Jesus had to come to bring his own message and point towards the coming of the "comforter", the Son of Man who will bring the judgment. The world judge will bring his own message. But the condition this time is that whoever accepts the message will survive the hall of judgment and will not fear the sarcophagus. Measurements of some specific dimensions of the sarcophagus indicate those who will accept this word, which is very small. The condition for further existence of human beings in this part of creation is thus the acceptance or otherwise of this message. Thus the message automatically becomes the instrument of the judgment.

The hall of judgment! The last judgment! In the ethereal prototype of the pyramid there is actually a rotten corpse inside the coffin. The pyramid there used to be called the monument of the dying phoenix, but currently it is called the monument of the dead phoenix. It is meant to receive the dead-here is meant the spiritually dead-human spirits who could not pass the judgment.

The connection with Cheops.

The pyramid, even with a few years of disruption during its construction, was completed by the giants and Pyramon in forty years. But the pyramid beside it, about a mile away, took over two hundred years to build with slave labor. The building started about seven hundred years after the building of the main pyramid, under king Nerferkere. They used the left over stones of the main pyramid, which was enormous. They studied the sphinx pyramid for a long time. Black slaves were brought in from Sudan as laborers, and they came with their families. One significant thing is that they introduced Yam to Egypt. Nerferkere ruled for sixty years without completing the pyramid. He was only able to complete the base. Nerferkere was succeeded by Nebre who ruled for fifty years and was deposed and succeeded by Snofru. He himself ruled for sixty years and was succeeded by Cheops. Cheops inherited a pyramid about one third completed. So many workers were crushed during the construction. After ruling for over fifty years, and realizing that he cannot complete the pyramid, he took the advice of his chief priest and broke into the pyramid, removed the plates that was kept inside by pyramon (70 in all )and added plates indicating he was the builder. Hence he succeeded in immortalizing his name. It took five kings to build the smallest pyramid, after Cheops' priest who took over from him completed the second one.



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@Justcool indeed I throughly appreciate how you present your personal perceptions. If all Crossbearers and adherents do present their perceptions the way you do there would be less misunderstandings and disagreement among us. However, I have realized the importance of examining all books related to the Message from The Grail and then seek honestly to build my understanding. I know that virtually all the transmitted writings we have today are not precisely what they had in the proximity of Abdrushin. They have been truncated and so in many places there's been gap in our understanding of them. Like in the Message were certain concept have left out in the current edition. Those like you and I who have summoned the courage to look into the past edition can testify of this. I do understand that Roselis was one of those who penned down the transmitted writings in His proximity. So I would urge you not to categorical state with certainty that it was after Abdrushin that Casandra came. For we both were too sure about the Divinity of Frau Maria and Fraulein Irmingard on earth, only to realize that they were anchors. I am forever learning and I only ask questions about things contradictions I do not understand. . The book about the Pyramid is a very insightful book. The first time I saw I didn't want examine it even I had the yearning to, but for the fact she formed her own group, hence I rejected it. It was after I actually read the Old version of The Message that I decided to actually examine every book and decide for myself, rather than follow popular belief. In the book we are made to understand that the top of the pyramid was made flat so that if mankind remains faithful till the time The Judge sets foot on earth, He will journey to egypt and personally place His Sign, the Cross of Truth on it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Now that brings me to another question, the lecture Christmas says the Son of Man wasn't originally meant to descend to the earth, and yet all prophecies of His coming for the judgement spoke about His walking the earth in a human form. Does that mean He was supposed to conclude the judgememt from the clouds after which He would descend into the earth and lead the up building personally? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. . . . . . . . . . But that changed when mankind committed the most grievous murder, that of Jesus. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Can you please throw more light according to your perception. For indeed you have wonderful insights I can benefit from. Thanks in anticipation of response.

@Justcool, I really do appreciate the depth and time you take to explain certains questions as well as the way you express your perception without giving the impression being Mr. Right. It's wonderful to have someone like you here. However, in one of your explanations about bisections, you said it was after Parsifal first incarnated on earth that His feminine counterpart was bisected and took on form as Maria who later incarnated in Casandra. Now, in the book The Great Pyramid of Giza Reveals it's Secrets by Roselis Von Sass, we are made to know Casandra was on Earth 500years before Abdrushin. In your explanation it was Abdrushin Who incarnated first before Casandra. How is one to reconcile these two account ? ? ? ?