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Dantedasz:
The book of Job greets you.
By the way you have not attempted to answer the OP,on why God destroyed humanity with floods,yet left Satan to continue to roam around and even show his face at a meeting with God.(Job chapter 2;1-6.)

You accused someone of not reading with view to comprehend, i know you really want to prove that the whole thing makes no sense to you so calm down, read and try to reason with what others think about the Bible!

Below is the answer to your question!

MaxIntheHouse2:
God didn't destroy humanity for their sin otherwise all humans including Noah supposed to be wiped out because according to God all have sinned {Romans 3:23} so none is doing good from God's standpoint! Romans 3:10-12

So why not destroy Satan along with those making God's heart sad? Genesis 6:6

There is a case to be resolved, Satan asserted that God supposed to allow humans rule over themselves independently if He (God) is sure that they're perfectly made in His image {Genesis 1:26} God made it clear that each human could determine what is best for himself or herself when talking about care after all each of them want to continue living but it's not within their capability to set standards that can lead to peace among themselves so a SUPREME BEING (GOD) is the only one who can do that.
However the first human couple sided with Satan so time is needed to settle this case:

God must allow mankind to try all types of human rule (system of government) perhaps they can find any that will help humans to cohabit peacefully without God's guidance.

That's why God didn't destroy Satan but kept him alive till today.

Humans have tried so many system of government and none has worked out peaceful coexistence rather people have continued to spend billions upon billions of dollars to amass destructive devices that can wipe away their fellow man while many are within the same society dying of hunger and malnutrition.

Dantedasz:
You said your god can not do injustice but there are uncountable incidents in the Bible of his injustice and favouring one party over another. Here is a clear injustice of your god. In fact this passage in the Bible shows god and Satan are infact friends and they can stake kalo kalo/gambling/bet naija bets on human life.
Job chapter 2;1-6.
2 One day when the sons of God came to stand in front of the Lord, Satan the Accuser came along with them.
2 The Lord asked Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From wandering all over the earth.”
3 The Lord asked Satan, “Have you thought about my servant Job? No one in the world is like him! He is a man of integrity: He is decent, he fears God, and he stays away from evil. And he still holds on to his principles. You’re trying to provoke me into ruining him for no reason.”
4 Satan answered the Lord, “Skin for skin! Certainly, a man will give everything he has for his life. 5 But stretch out your hand, and strike his flesh and bones. I bet he’ll curse you to your face.” 6 The Lord told Satan, “He is in your power, but you must spare his life!”

Who attacked Job, God or Satan?

Who said "Job must not die" God or Satan?

Who repaid Job, God or Satan?

Well i told you that when you read try to ask what others think about the story because you may conclude wrongly if you don't know what is on ground.

Satan wanted to prove that no human can remain righteous and loyal to God under severe trial. So he's moving round the earth {Job 1:7} to break the integrity of anyone who wants to keep their integrity! Job 1:1

God is always proud of integrity keepers cause they're proving that God sure created humans in His own image as the greatest integrity keeper. That's why God called Satan to see that no matter how the system deteriorate under human government there will always be few integrity keepers in one place after another.

So Job became something to be proud of for the true God! Proverbs 27:11

@ Dantedasz
When you read a book please try to ask many people about how the information should be applied.
It's presumptuous religionists that concluded God is OMNIPOTENT God never said that in His book.
For instance imagine a band of robbers going to rob a house so they began praying for a successful operation.


Can God approve what they're planning?

Well in His word it is written:

"And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask according to his will, he hears us." 1John 5:14

Please what if someone asked God to do what is not according to His will?

Can God do it?

Definitely the answer is NO!

That's why Jesus prayed not according to his own will but according to God's will:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Why didn't Jesus just ask anything?

Well he knew that his father can't do certain things!

Dantedasz:
MaxIntheHouse2,
My point of quoting all these verses from your religious book is to point out the absurdity of Christianity. If God is omnipotent and can do all things why go on a destruction of humanity(sinners) and fail to destroy the source of sin(satan)?

You misunderstood the verses!

He CAN'T do what is of no benefit!

Dantedasz:
Jeremiah chapter 32;17
17 “Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.
MaxIntheHouse2 come and see omnipotence.

Nothing beneficial not just everything otherwise lying and partiality shouldn't be too hard for Him!

Dantedasz:
From your religious book, I quote this little passage of gods omnipotence. There are many others where the entity boasts of its omnipotence.
Isiah 40:21-31.
New International Version
21 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded?
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
23 He brings princes to naught
and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.
24 No sooner are they planted,
no sooner are they sown,
no sooner do they take root in the ground,
than he blows on them and they wither,
and a whirlwind sweeps them away like chaff.

25 “To whom will you compare me?
Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens:
Who created all these?
He who brings out the starry host one by one
and calls forth each of them by name.
Because of his great power and mighty strength,
not one of them is missing.

27 Why do you complain, Jacob?
Why do you say, Israel,
“My way is hidden from the Lord;
my cause is disregarded by my God”?
28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.
29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.
30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;
31 but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

This doesn't mean OMNIPOTENCE rather the Author is talking about His ability to fulfill His promises, omnipotent means someone who can do everything whether it's reasonable, beneficial or not.
The God of the Bible can't do certain things for instance He cannot lie, He can't pervert justice all these an omnipresent can do without remorse.

Veecruz:
That is not what the op asked o. See how you changed the question.

He asked what is in own mind so if you're truly a believer in God oya answer him!

Veecruz:
You are certainly an antichrist.

Misinformed churchgoer!

Do you know the implication of calling God omnipotent?

Fool!
Can God lie?
Can He pervert justice?

If He can't do that then He is not omnipotent, there are certain things God can't do!

vdestro:
Everyone knows what sin is before and after the Bible came. Sin did not begin with the coming of the Bible. There is nothing to gain in this argument. All these things are already settled.

There are lots and lots of things you can gain!

When you were calling me names for saying you don't know what SIN means i calmly addressed you because i'm sure you don't know that's why you were filled with rage.

Please answer the question if you're sincerely a believer:

Going by what i quoted in the Bible book of Exodus 20:1-2 which is the first commandment from God are you saying EVERYONE knew this first commandment before the Bible got to Africa?

vdestro:
Ok. But the people who listen and accept thiis heresies are also equally culpable especially as everyone inherently knows that which is not True.

NO! I disagree!
Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE! John 14:6

So whoever hasn't know Jesus can't know what is TRUE regarding faith in God!

Dantedasz:
So God is no longer omnipotent? He can't destroy Satan but chose to destroy humanity?

Where did you see the word (OMNIPOTENT) in the Bible?
Well for your information it's presumption that led many to conclude that God is omnipotent He never claimed to be so. Of course He must do things that His servants should be able to explain later if atheists like you ask us {Genesis 18:23, 25} that's why He can't do anything disastrous that we won't be able to explain (defend) later.

Dantedasz:
The simple question the OP,is asking is; Why destroy humanity for their sins when you can simply destroy the source of the sin(satan)?

You should have allowed the OP to rephrase his question so i can be sure that this is what he actually had in mind but that's OK if this is your own personal question i will answer you!

God didn't destroy humanity for their sin there otherwise all humans including Noah supposed to be wiped out because according to God all have sinned {Romans 3:23} so none is doing good from God's standpoint! Romans 3:10-12

So why not destroy Satan along with those making God's heart sad? Genesis 6:6

There is a case to be resolved, Satan asserted that God supposed to allow humans rule over themselves independently if He (God) is sure that they're perfectly made in His image {Genesis 1:26} God made it clear that each human could determine what is best for himself or herself when talking about care after all each of them want to continue living but it's not within their capability to set standards that can lead to peace among themselves so a SUPREME BEING (GOD) is the only one who can do that.
However the first human couple sided with Satan so time is needed to settle this case:

God must allow mankind to try all types of human rule (system of government) perhaps they can find any that will help humans to cohabit peacefully without God's guidance.

That's why God didn't destroy Satan but kept him alive till today.

Humans have tried so many system of government and none has worked out peaceful coexistence rather people have continued to spend billions upon billions of dollars to amass destructive devices that can wipe away their fellow man while many are within the same society dying of hunger and malnutrition.

Please if you have further questions i'm still very much with you Sir!

MightySparrow:
Paul, Phillip, Stephen, Peter and the rest never did that

Jesus commanded his disciples to go and meet people in their homes that is what brought about the the idea of greeting the owner of the house {Matthew 10:12} Paul also preached according to that custom so for the congregation to know that he never deviate from the pattern Jesus Christ set Paul said:

"while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house" Act 20:20
PUBLICLY: he preached to individuals in market places just as the disciples did each talking to an individual speaking the language of the listener! Act 2:8
HOUSE to HOUSE: going to meet people in their respective houses just to make sure the message reach everyone!

WHY is it that they must speak to individuals one on one?

Jesus set that pattern so that Christianity doesn't become a noisy religion, only those who are willing to listen will be engaged we must not cause noise pollution {Matthew 12:19} Jesus laid the foundation so that those hearing the message may have the opportunity to ask questions {Proverbs 2:4 compare to Matthew 7:7-8} each one of them may get satisfying answers from the Christian visiting them privately! Act 15:36

So we're not just following the trend blindly {Exodus 23:1-2} we know exactly why we must preach and teach from house to house!

MightySparrow:
Is it paining you Deeper Life, RCCG, Living Faith, Catholic, Anglican, Baptist own schools.

Of course the schools built by Catholics back then and your own people is where these children are learning about EVOLUTION which is helping them to speak against CREATION that's the core teaching of God's word.
So i congratulate you people for producing atheists in the society! Matthew 7:16-18

See Ọ̀DẸ̀!
You send your children to schools for them to be enlightened but it's Jehovah's Witnesses that are best students when it comes to preaching zealously and teaching industriously about what Jesus commanded his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

Guy it's becoming more and more obvious that you love deceit!

MightySparrow:
It is good if you thread a narrow road made by God but know you make your own narrow road that leads to perdition. Jesus comes with light. When the missionaries came to Africa, they came with schools to enlighten us. They were being funded by their home churches. Now no foreign missionaries, schools by government are not enough. Churches can build some. It is possible you attended a mission school. If not someone from your family may have. So who among us is complaining about not being able to send our children? We look at what positive impact the schools have on future generations. We will still build more. Many pentecostals and Orthodox will build more. We don't reason like you people with myopic mindset We see these schools as insurance, you don't wish for your house to burn, yet you insure for others to benefit. At some level we help ourselves to pay for our ward's in these schools. We don't pipe that to show off. Some of your members who are able have their children in these schools against recommendations of GB that forbids learning. See hypocrisy. Why didn't obey your GB? Why didn't you remain unlettered since ignorance is the emblem of your organization?
We believe in divine healing. We preach it, we enjoy it. Our own Jehovah shows us mercy and heals us. Your own Jehovah is on holiday. He is longer faithful to you. Our own is faithful, I am a living proof.

bobestman:
I removed the codes in my message and explained to you as if you are a baby but you are still asking the same foolish question. I told you that you are brainwashed. No amount of truth can cure the rubbish Jws fed you with. Ponder on things i say maybe one day you will thank me

Ọmọ you don colo, there's nothing in your head you're just trying to cover up your ignorance with insults.

Which one do you want us to believe?
Is it that the messiah is coming to teach everyone or the teachings is inside the Bible or the teachings are already in everyone's head?

Oya pick one let's hear you out!

Aemmyjah:
Did you remember Jesus illustration of the road that leads to life and that which leads to destruction?

You claim to win souls whereas it is money for certain people.
What they preach is money
They even have mind to curse politicians and brag about money, build schools that you can't send your child
Selling Holy spirits inside bottle?
Chai

Discouraging people against vaccines and physical distancing that there is no COVID but bragging that they cured members
You see all the red marks but cos it is what you want to hear, you remain

His Papa has told him what he wants to hear so he's poised to argue over it.
COVENANT!

But by the end of the day you'll discover he knows nothing about what God's word says regarding covenant.

I'm waiting for him to start a thread on the topic so he can see how conflicting the things Papa told him with other religions he claims they're on the same page with him!

Water, fire, and others only affect physical things but Satan and demons are spirit creatures so water can't affect them!