ItShallPass:


Why should I take your word for it? Can't you prove your point?

Who told you to take my word for it?

Go and know it yourself.

ItShallPass:


Answer your own questions if you think any betrter. I am not here to be queried by you.

I was on my own when you quoted me, so what's the problem?

The author of Acts didn't know Any Paul.

ItShallPass:


Whoever the writer of the book is, as long as it's not Paul, my stand remains. My point is that Paul didn't impose himself as an apostle on Christiandom.

When was this book written, me writing about Superman does not mean Superman exist. You don't understand your point and your wack logic.

Who made Paul or saul an apostle?
How did Saul change his name to Paul? 😂😂

You are using a forgery book to defend another forgery 😂
Who is the writer of this "Acts of Apostles"
when was it written?

SIRTee15:

It's a plausibility or they actually woke up as the scriptures said 'they slept'- a term used for people risen from the dead.

The point here is that it didn't make headline is not a valid excuse to discredit it.

2 other events of that day also didn't make headlines but we now know they happened.

Comparing earthquake to zombies awakening 😂😂

ItShallPass:


I'm not here to debate the authorship of the Acts of Apostles. I think you should do the slow reading because I made that clear already.

What makes you question Paul's Apostleship? That's what I'm discussing you. I made that clear too.

And I have also pointed out that Paul didn't declare himself an apostle, someone else wrote that about him. Whether you regard that book as a forgery or not us none of my business. The point is that the Apostleship of Paul and his recognition as such, was not the doing of Paul.

You said nothing, you brought up a book called "acts of apostle", and I question you on who wrote it, when and where it was written.

You are using a forgery book to defend another forgery 😂
Who is the writer of this "Acts of Apostles"
when was it written?

Read slowly, The author of Acts never knew any Paul.

ItShallPass:


Is this a digression? I don't understand what you meant by "The author of Acts does not mention any Paul."

First off, are you here to debate the authorship of the book of Acts or the Apostleship of Paul? I have pointed out to you that the writer of the Acts of Apostles which made Paul popular as an Apostle was not Paul. Whoever that person is to you is not my concern. My point is that Paul was not the one who popularized himself as an apostle.

What's the correlation. Read your statement.

"I have pointed out to you that the writer of the Acts of Apostles which made Paul popular as an Apostle was not Paul."

You are using a forgery book to defend another forgery 😂
Who is the writer of this "Acts of Apostles"
when was it written?

ItShallPass:


The important thing is that it wasn't written by Paul.

That's not important at all.

Who wrote it?
When was it Written?
Is it Paul or saul that the person mentioned?


The author of Acts never knew any Paul

ItShallPass:


The Book called the Acts of Apostles which majorly featured Paul was not written by him.

And who wrote Acts?

SIRTee15:


Of course u dont mind seeing your father in the mud potopoto. All because u want to discuss Paul and Luke.
I'm sure if I promise u of discussing Paul and Luke if we rain insults on top your parents, u will instantly jump 🦘 at it.
Ode, attention thirst dog.

Get out of here, shameless son. Ready to throw his parents under the bus just to gist about Paul and Luke...as if he will choke if he doesn't.
See someone else has called your attention to discuss Paul
Go and satisfy your cravings and be bloated.
Bye.

Shameless Hypocrite, you are dishing what you can't take, you are now crying now.

If you had home training, I mean if your parents had home training to train you, you won't throw a stone and shout back when they stone it back at you and it blinds you 😂

Like I said you are a nobody, I'm here to expose your ignorance and I'm enjoying every moment.

if Dem born your papa well......

Before Christianity was created, there was Christmas.

In the Julian Calendar used by the Roman Empire, the winter solstice occurred around December 25.

ItShallPass:


What ignorance do you wish to expose about Paul? Paul didn't write about himself, someone else did.

Who is the someone?

SIRTee15:


He be like say u no want peace but trouble this new year.
Mention your father's name again in a shameless manner and see if the mods will not eventually shut this thread down.
Sebi u want to talk to me, I will give it to u....10 straight pages, na u go tire.
U this degenerate.

You have done the same and mentioned my parents, wetin con dey do you?
I said if Dem born your papa well...
Moro.n

MaxInDHouse:

Thanks

You are welcome.
Easy with the lamba sha 😂

SIRTee15:


I'm not important but u begging me to discuss Paul with u
U not chasing me, but u begging me to discuss Luke with u.
U even imagined we concluded on a matter when I practically ignored u. U can imagine that hallucination.
It's like u desire and watch out for my posts on nairaland religious section because that's the only thing that adds meaning and joy to your life.
It's just too obvious by the speed u respond to
them.
You desperately crave for my attention, but in 2024 u getting none.
Get a life.

It's ok to reminiscent on our previous discussions if u miss talking to me in 2024. That's allowed.

All this are nonsense.
Let's discuss Paul, if Dem born your papa well, im not begging, i want to expose your IGNORANCE.
How did Paul become an apostle?

MaxInDHouse:

I'm sorry please it's a mistake don't bother!

Easy with the lamba sha 😂

"I ask you again, mention one place where Jesus refer to his followers as "believers".
And please tell me where he address "Jews" and not "believers" in Matthew 5:18_20."

SIRTee15:


I will starve of u that attention u crave for this year.
U will chase me like a deer thirst after water but
u will be ignored.
Get a life out of nairaland.

You are a nobody, so I don't understand why you think your attention is of any importance.
I'm not here for you that but to bust your lies for those reading now and in the future.

Stop basing you miserable life on only what you read in Jewish books.

SIRTee15:



Thallus who lived in the 30s AD and witnessed the event confirmed the earthquake happened on the eve of the Passover.

LIES, EVERYTHING we know of thallus comes from Christian apologists.
We don't even know when thallus lived or if he even wrote anything.
That's why NO historian consider that statement as factual.

Can't you see the fraud you are basing your life on?

MaxInDHouse:


Oh it's you!
Sorry, i'm not interested in fruitless arguments but if you truly truly want to know i will teach you just don't argue blindly because i hate it when people do so.

Were you blind before quoting me with your nonsense?
Next time don't drop verses that are unrelated to what you are saying, try it with others not me.

You are ignorant of what you are teaching, you are just regurgitating what your watch masters taught you.

I ask you again, mention one place where Jesus refer to his followers as "believers".
And please tell me where he address "Jews" and not "believers" in Matthew 5:18_20.

Ordinary what "Messiah" means you don't know, you think "Jews" are condemned like you looking for a Jewish man as savior.

SIRTee15:

Mathew never said the bodies spoke or communicated to anybody. Instead the report said the bodies of saints were seen to be alive.

How low can you go for your God?
Just lying shamelessly.

Matthew 27:53
They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and WENT INTO THE HOLY CITY AND APPEARED TO MANY PEOPLE.


Jesus death was his resurrection, go and read apocalypse of peter.

SIRTee15:
According to Mathew, 3 extraordinary events occured the night Jesus was crucified.
Darkness at noon without eclipse, earthquake and dead bodies coming to life.

We already have extra biblical evidence- both scientific and historical for 2.
So then should we believe the 3rd account or simply say it was garnished.

Let's remember earthquake disturbs earth's movement. The quake could have exposed
buried bodies in graves and tombs. Some people could have seen their dead brought back to life by way of miracle which u don't believe in anyway.
Or the relatives thought they were alive and reported it as such. Mathew never said the bodies spoke or communicated to anybody. Instead the report said the bodies of saints were seen to be alive.
It's possible the bodies of these saints never decomposed and looked very much like a living
person which the relatives reported.

Why did it not make headline news in ancient Rome?
Same way the resurrection of Lazarus, the widow's son in Capernaum and jarius daughter didn't make headline news in ancient Rome.

The darkness at noon and earthquake didn't make headlines either and if thallus had not reported it, scholars would have claimed it was all a myth/forgery.

Is the unknown author of Matthew not copying from Mark, and the resurrection story is just a later addition? 😂😂

Let's talk about the authorship of Luke which is from SECOND CENTURY, same with book of Act.
Is your present Luke from Marcion?
Why did Marcion call Jesus, isu chrestos which is also the name found in the oldest church.


Boy, you are worshipping a lie.

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus is addressing Jews in those verses not all believers!
The Jews are to study the laws and prophets in order to know how they will WORK with the Messiah who will teach them the way of holiness.
According to Moses whom God used to give them the laws it's not those laws that will lead them to salvation rather it's the Messiah {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so the laws will lead them to the Messiah while the Messiah will lead them to salvation which means after the Messiah has come they no longer need those laws! Galatians 3:19-25
When Jesus uttered that statement the Jews listening were misconstruing his message as it was as if he was writing off their laws and prophets, all the actions of the prophets now seems as if they were evil. Take for instance a prophet of God in ancient Israel will pray for Israelites soldiers to go and fight their enemies but Jesus is now saying they must love and pray for their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} an Israelite prophet will curse anyone who cross their path or insults them but Jesus is saying they shouldn't curse anyone {Luke 6:28} an Israelite prophet will stand to approve the killing of anyone who breaks the law but Jesus is telling them that they shouldn't do so.
All these amounted to their concluding that Jesus is against the laws and the prophets.
However what Jesus came to establish is not the old Constitution guiding that nation to know him rather he came to gather all the people who are interested in knowing the true God globally under one umbrella {John 10:16} that's why the constitution Israel was using before his time must be changed {Jeremiah 31:33} otherwise it will be impossible to unite all faithful people throughout the earth as the constitution and traditions differs from nation to nation! John 4:24

So Jesus is the standard not the laws or the prophets!

Jesus never refer to his followers as "believers".
So please tell me where he address "Jews" and not "believers" in Matthew 5:18_20.

And the "Jews" are not in bondage like you "believers" that need a "messiah".
Every Jewish person knows that Messiah simply means a Jewish king, not someone that will give them salvation.

Where in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 talks about messiah leading them to salvation?
Where in Jeremiah 31:33 talks about changing of law?
You better know your verses when you talk to me 😂

The Jews don't even know Paul, talkless of knowing the letters he wrote to Galatians, so I wonder why you quoting Galatians here.

Maxinthehouse why don't we fist trash who Paul is and who made him an apostle.
Let's see your level, shall we?

SIRTee15:


Read this article. It highlight scientific evidence of the earthquake described by Mathew on the night Jesus was crucified.


A geological study based on sediments near the Dead Sea indicate that an earthquake occurred around 31 AD ± 5 years, which plausibly coincides with the earthquake reported by Matthew 27 near the time of the crucifixion of Christ

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-early-first-century-earthquake-in-the-Dead-Sea-Williams-Schwab/037fc20bee7296e7722f1037f2d2e738aab456c0

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00206814.2011.639996

Thallus on the other hand described both the darkness at 3pm and also the earthquake.

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Saviour falls on the day before the passover;
cited by sextus Julius africanus

The earthquake could have exposed buried bodies in graves and tombs. Some could have seen their dead brought back to life by way of miracle which u don't believe in anyway.

😂😂
When Mary went to check the tomb, there was another earthquake, don't forget to add that 😂😂

SIRTee15:


The verse proved some of Jesus disciples could communicate in greek. So the anonymous authorship claim of the gospel is nonsense.

You must be kidding.
The gospels are ANONYMOUS, you only need a working brain to see it.

The people that wrote the gospels wasn't just communicating in greek, there were literate and very sound in use of Greek.

Mention a place where the disciples were writing anything down, only in book of john, did the disciple whom Jesus love wrote things down, and he was the only person that wrote anything. This person is Judas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_reliability_of_the_Gospels#:~:text=Most%20scholars%20agree%20that%20they,than%20the%20testimony%20of%20eyewitnesses.

SIRTee15:

Where and when did we thrash? That I choose to ignore u doesn't mean whatever u paste makes sense
U are a pest and deserves to be ignored.

Anyway, take a good look at what u brought here.
It supports my assertion here that use of greek as medium of communication was widespread in Judea province.

Where is Judea province mentioned there?
They were just giving the definition of the word 😂😂

SIRTee15:


See Cognitive dissonance on display.
Is this not u. What shall we believe from your mouth?

Are you that desperate and lack common sense?
You mean the screenshot proves that I said your Jesus Christ was real?
What fact did you show me?

Iron man is dead and gone 😂😂

SIRTee15:





One of u initially here insisted Jesus was a myth. After slapping him with hard facts and enormous dose of core truth, he has finally admitted Jesus died but didn't resurrect.
Now I'm about to work on his brain to see the resurrection of Jesus as real.

Who is the person?

Jesus Christ is a composite character and never existed.

Which sect did John the Baptist belong to?

SIRTee15:


John 12.20

Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the festival. They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.” Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus

I thought we trashed this before?

https://biblehub.com/greek/1672.htm

SIRTee15:




Did any of the apostolic fathers in the first century AD confirmed Jesus is God.

Before the apostolic fathers and Paul, was Jesus confirmed as God by the Jewish followers that followed Jesus?

Who is Paul or is it Saul, who made him an apostle?

SIRTee15:


Mr Man stop confabulating.
The syrophoenician woman is a Canaanite my friend. The bible called her was a canaanite by tribe.
But the book of mark referred to her as a greek woman. Why?
By now your conscience already knows the answer. But your stubbornness will not let u admit.

https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/what-is-the-difference-between-a-greek-and-a-gentile/

The book of mark referred to her as a Greek woman where?

It's you that's fighting with your conscience

SIRTee15:



What is the lingua Franca of the Roman empire in the eastern region. Did Jesus speak that Lingua Franca.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus

There was also no Roman Garrison in Galilee during Jesus time.

Trust2001:
And how do you know that the holy spirit is living in you

Because you are still alive.

LordReed:
Hey Maynman check this out:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5y64Sg8rg

Alright bro 💯