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OkCornel:
And now Perachiah makes its way into the discussion.

Show us where Pantera (not a Hebrew name) is the same as Prachia, which is also the same as Perachiah

Pantera is not the yeshu.
You can’t comprehend?

OkCornel:
Bros, you are yarning offpoint and trying hard to deflect. The argument is not whether Pantera is the father or son

Show me where Prachia is same as Pantera. Simple!

If you have any knowledge of what you are saying you will know.

Show us the Jew mocking son of pantera.

OkCornel:
Smh, I've explain this over and again. The Jews insulted mocked Jesus of the bible over his paternity alluding that he was conceived by Mary (Miriam) having an affair w=or was raped by a Roman soldier called Pantera. Other rumors/insults making the rounds was Mary had an affair with a carpenter...and that was how Jesus of Nazareth in the Bible was conceived,

It's not rocket science nau to understand this

In that version, it was talking about yeshu the son of carpenter different from yeshu the son of pantera

OkCornel:
In your screenshot, where is Pantera? Where does it show Pantera is Prachia?

Pantera is the father, he is not the yeshu.
Yeshu means JOSHUA! The name is prachia.

If you have any knowledge of what you are saying you won’t be making this blunder

OkCornel:
I have answered who Pantera is. Go and read my previous posts.

Pantera is Prachia? bravo

It’s your ignorance that’s baffling.
You are writing their names in English, in the original text that’s how it written, show me a Jew mocking pantera son

also how does pantera relate to yeshu of Ben? And to Yeshua of Nazarene

OkCornel:
Yeshua ben "Pantera" is the same as "Prachia" in your eyes right?

Are you taking your time to read the reddit conversations you're posting here?

I can also see you've been shying away from the Soncino Talmud where Yeshua written there claimed to be the Son of Man, and would ascend to Heaven This is the Jesus of the Bible.

It also wrote this.
Different versions.

OkCornel:
Yeshua ben "Pantera" is the same as "Prachia" in your eyes right?

Are you taking your time to read the reddit conversations you're posting here?

He is saying the same thing.
Who is pantera?

MaxInDHouse:
Chai! This thing still dey pain you àbí?

No worry you go dey ok last last!

Okay monolatrist

MaxInDHouse:
I prefer "Jehovah's Witness" you've always call me that and i'm OK with it just as LordReed is OK being called "atheist"
So it's none of your business unless you're pained over what doesn't concern you!

Okay monolatrist

OkCornel:
What timeline did Yeshu ben Pantera exist?

Read

OkCornel:
I thought your definition of the Talmud is a book of debates. Did the Jews stop debating at any point before Jesus was born? Were their scribes suddenly unemployed?

Which particular yeshu are you talking about in the Talmud?
The yeshu of pantera that lived even before Latin “Jesus” was said to have been born?

MaxInDHouse:
That somebody nah my friend tey tey "LordReed" the name Atheist dey culeh for him body abeg face your warrant, that one no concern you!

There’s nothing name calling in monolatrist. Unless you are ignorant of what is it, hope you know what “atheist” means?

OkCornel:
Slow down and get the context.

My source is focused on Jesus of the Bible in the Talmud.

Your source is discussing about something else. That's what you're getting confused.

Understand the context of the question and discussion from the different sources (mine and yours) you are comparing. If not, you'll get confused.

Talmud was written centuries before the Bible was ever written or Jesus ever existed.
Talmud mentioned yehsu which translates to joshua in English.

Do you know who pantera is?
Do you know who nazarene is?
That’s just 2 of the other Yeshua mentioned in the Talmud.

You don’t know what you are saying

MaxInDHouse:
Name calling don begin, abeg just call call me "Jehovah's Witness" anything else shows sey my comments dey chuk your body bad bad!

You can call someone a “atheist” but calling you a monolatrist is name calling.
Seems you don’t know what “athiest” means?

OkCornel:
You're confusing yourself.

My screenshot which you highlighted is talking about Jesus of the Bible.

Your screenshot is talking about Jesus, alongside other Jesus's (obtained from a differen source, where the context of discussion is totally different from mine).

I can explain further if you're still confused

Yeshu means joshua.
Different Joshua at different CENTURIES.

MaxInDHouse:
I don tell you Mr Atheist, no dey chuk mouth for wetin you no sabi!

Says a Monolatrist

OkCornel:
They are all referring to the same person. It's basic English. Don't you get it?

Or do you want another person to explain it to you?

Maybe budaatum or LordReed will help you understand it. It's not difficult.

How can they be?
The story are talking about different yeshu, each at different centuries!!! Diffferent authors. Different version.

You know who pantera is? I don’t think he is a carpenter.

OkCornel:
I hope you can see it's one personality that's referred to in that screenshot. That's the person we're discussing about

“That man” called Yeshua.
One man called “yeshu”
One in Nazarene, one son of Benjamin, one son of pantera a Roman soldier . Which Yeshua?
hope you know what Nazarene mean?

OkCornel:
And the first word in your conversation screenshot extracted from reddit starts with

"Probably not"

Incontrovertible facts is what we need here, not speculations and probabilities

Probably not because out of the 5 yeshu which one is the Latin Jesus?

OkCornel:
Again, I'm not here for spelling lessons.

Did a certain preacher who performed miracles in Israel with his 12 disciples bearing that name exist in Israel between 6BC to 33 AD? That's the bone of contention.

Different versions for different Yeshua.
Which particular one?
Is it from the Nazarene? Or “Ben stada”
Which yeshua?

OkCornel:
And who is arguing about whether it's Joshua or Hosea or Yahushua or Yeshua?

The Talmud and toldot are talking about different joshua/yehoshua. Nothing like “yahushua”

OkCornel:
The bolded just shows you never understood the basic thing I've been saying all the while. It's Yahushua/Yeshua in the Hebrew language not "Jesus". "Jesus" a latin transliteration of the original name (Yahushua/Yeshua).

I hope you know your posts are on this platform for posterity o. The way you're going about this, I'm just laughing here.

It shows you’ve not been reading.
There is nothing like yahushua.
Yehoshua is the correct one and it means joshua.

Hope you know what a transliteration is and differentiate from translation?

budaatum:
Pity we miss the "methodology" and focus only on the mythology.

The methodology just might teach us to say "let there be" and there is, or build a tower to the so called heavens if not walk on water or rise from the dead in three days.

One day. I hope.

Do you think the different yeshu are the only discussions in the Talmud?

It’s a book of debate! Read and comprehend

OkCornel:
I'm bursting out here in laughter. Jesus is a latin transliteration of the hebrew name of the character we're discussing here.
Is it too hard to figure this out?

You are not even happy talk less of laughing
Hope you know what a transliteration is? And you know what they got to “Jesus” when replacing i with j.

The correct spelling is JOSHUA

OkCornel:
Lol, another round about game.

I can safely assume your sources are people's conversations on reddit. Bravo!

And show us your sources of Jews making Mockery of Latin Jesus, listen to your advice

OkCornel:
So why are they arguing over someone you think never existed?

Show us where they are arguing.
Hope you know what a Talmud is?

OkCornel:
Duh!!! It's from the Soncino Talmud, not the Toledot Yeshu.

You didn't read the first three lines from the screenshot I posted?

There’s no mention of “Jesus” In either .
Yeshu translate to JESUS in English.

Show us where you are getting this from jews, Why are you finding it hard?

OkCornel:
Again, Soncino Talmud and the name Yeshua/Yahushua/Joshua/Hosea is the crux of the matter.

Talmud according to one of your screenshots is a book of debates. The Yeshua whose accused falsely of using magic to lead Israel astray (parallel - in the scriptures was accused of working with Belzeebub to perform miracles) is one and the same person.

Bring out other Yeshua's that fits into this description...then we can start talking. Since your argument is...it's a common name in Israel and could be anyone but Jesus (Yeshua/Yahushua) of the new testament.

Now to the timestamps and case closed.

Again that’s a lie.
Talmud is a book of debates to see how ARGUMENTS ARE FLAWED! It’s not a book of belief!

OkCornel:
Bring other examples of "Yeshus" that led Israel astray by magic, whose paternity was in doubt or learnt magic from Egypt.

Only one character fits into this. The Yeshua Melekh Maschiach of the scriptures.

Till then, keep arguing with yourself while I enjoy the show you're making out of yourself.

The story you are quoting is one of the versions of what one Yeshua did in the toldot.
Why are you so interested in that version?

OkCornel:
Are you pulling your sources from conversations on Reddit?

Please post the link your source(s) here

You haven’t shown me your sources of Jews using Talmud and toldot yeshu and what it really means.
Yeshu means joshua, it’s a common name then

OkCornel:
One "Yeshu" whose paternity was in doubt and linked to multiple men. Same "Yeshu" according to the rabbis led Israel astray with magic and sorcery learnt from Egypt.

Time stamps, and this discussion is over.

One yeshu out of the other yeshu.
It’s never used anywhere by jews.
It’s named after random men named JOSHUA

OkCornel:
And what are the odds this "Yeshu" in question learnt sorcery in Egypt, and his paternity was in doubt...hmmm?

This discussion is heading beautifully in the angle I expect it to

How many “yeshu” are we talking about?