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banjicom:

Which kind of mumu question is this one asking?
Be like say better hunger never catch you before, she I na person wey get money go dey reject eba in the morning.

Na real mugu question. Hunger never catch am

There was Math Clinic by Richie, it's been ages but we are all here. Post your problems

Soukiss:
Zero

Person wey do business wey no gain anything na him some people here dey talk $10, $20. Funny! $0 it is.

Which can business be that? no gain. $0

Righteousness2:
A Lack of Knowledge of GOD and HIS Word, the Bible is the Fastest way to self Destruction.

The Faster you drop your little sense and pick up GOD'S sense, the better for your life and Existence

Galatians 6:16

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

^^^^

The term "the Israel of God" can be understood as the collective body of believers, both Jew and Gentile, who are united in Christ.


Revelation 2:9

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

^^^^

Oga Righteousness2 study to show thyself approved. It seems to me that you are just a blind churchgoer!

Immatex:
The Israel of God today is not the State of Israel.

They do not and would not enjoy divine protection as they did under the old covenant of Moses.

The Israel of God is the nation of spiritual Israel not of fleshly Jews. They are from every tribe, tongue and nation.

Cornelius was the first of many non- Jews to enter into this covenant.

As at today, God is not fighting Israel’s battles nor is he with them in their controversies.

I agree with you on this bro,

Mindlog:
No one stole anyone, from you.

It's always like that; just like slave trade! The blame will always be on our leaders.

Richtaiwo:
Uk always going to the press to announce rubbish about Africans without even the least preliminary investigation.

Na their way. They will not talk about the engineers and doctors they stole from us.

So what are they trying to tell us? That Nigerian brought prostitution to Ghana? Prostitution is one of the world's oldest occupation. Yeye dey smell

Dtruthspeaker:
Did verse 10 of 2 Thessalonians 2: not tell you the cause?

"because they received not the love of the truth,

Which clearly means that they were given like this guy 👇🏾


but they exercised their will of rejection and therefore we see God course as He did to Pharoah, King Saul, Isreal etc

Or do you pretend not to know that whenever you reject God, you get coursed?

Are you trying to tell me that God doesn't know they will reject him before bringing them into the world. Remember Isaiah 46:10 says He declares the end from the beginning.

That's where I'm telling you that God brings everyone into this world for a purpose and in the end His purpose MUST be accomplished. He even said the same thing about King Cyrus; He said Cyrus didn't know him but He created him for a purpose...to let His people go and Cyrus obeyed. So why are trying to invalidate my post?

HeadBoy9:
So some are preordained to not be saved? And since that's the case, it's only natural to think they're programmed never to repent, to love unrighteousness, and to never understand the word of God so that the purpose of God to their damning be accomplished.

Only speaking from your position

Exactly why

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the[b] Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,[/b] because they are spiritually discerned.

Because they are spiritually dead, the things of the spirit of God sounds foolish to them. That's why they don't study the WORD with an open mind to understand it but to criticize, point out errors where there none and make mockery of it. So why do you think God will not keep them in delusion that would eventually lead to damnation (Their own rewards)?

Dtruthspeaker:
I knew you will move post to Isaiah 45 as you have not asked yourself what is wrong in creating evil. Going by God's Laws, what thing will deal with evil if it is not evil itself! Is it a baby you would send to deal with Boko haram or is it a killer?



Like the op told you, you are saying God is unjust and bad because of your fallty thinking as proven by your words.

And you must think this way because you have not dug deep to understand God and His Ways

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are those my words?


Revelation 22:11-12

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.


^^^

Are you saying the above scripture is my word too?

Dtruthspeaker:
I knew you will move post to Isaiah 45 as you have not asked yourself what is wrong in creating evil. Going by God's Laws, what thing will deal with evil if it is not evil itself! Is it a baby you would send to deal with Boko haram or is it a killer?



Like the op told you, you are saying God is unjust and bad because of your fallty thinking as proven by your words.

And you must think this way because you have not dug deep to understand God and His Ways

Stop clutching at straws bruh, where in my post did I mentioned that God is unjust and bad? I gave a scripture and you are here telling me that they are my words. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 pointed this clearly, written by Paul the Apostle (New T).

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are those my words?

Salvation is not for all bruh, some people are just fulfilling the will of God in being bad because God knows they love unrighteousness and would never repent for any reason, no matter how you preach to them, they will never understand it because the WORD in itself is SPIRIT and cannot make any sense to a carnal mind..

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you tell your car or phone or mannequin that it should not walk into fire?

You even tell animals aka pets, and you see them obey and disobey, is it now human beings?

If it were so then why do you punish your children for stealing and other wrong doings?

And can you count how many times you have screamed on them to do the right thing?

Please stop deceiving yourself.

Who does not know that the end of a thief is disgrace, prison or death?

And on Pharoah how many times have you said "I will deal with you even if you say sorry? If sorry would stop you, would you allow the person to say sorry? And of course, did Pharoah hear sorry and abeg when he was making Isreal cry blood?

This is where you see that Truly God Honours His Law and an eye will be for an eye which the new testament still warned you saying a good tree beareth a good fruit.

So it's safe to say the Bible is erroneous in saying what it says in Isaiah 45:7 and also Proverbs 16 4 right? And I never mentioned anywhere in my post that God is unjust or evil. He is a righteous God, His judgement goes for the Just and Unjust alike. How do you expect a righteous God to reward you with good when you practice evil?

What a man soweth that he shall reap. So let the wicked be wicked still and the righteous continue in their righteousness in the end every will reap what they sow. So what's wrong with my explanation?

HeadBoy9:
The version of God you're trying to build here sounds very evil and villainous. Sort of like a wicked entity that booby-traps people into error so he can derive pleasure from punishing them for it.

I make bold to say, that the Lord God Almighty, the father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is a good God. No unrighteousness or evil with him.

So it's safe to say the Bible is erroneous in saying what it says in Isaiah 45:7 and also Proverbs 16 4 right? And I never mentioned anywhere in my post that God is unjust or evil. He is a righteous God, His judgement goes for the Just and Unjust alike. How do you expect a righteous God to reward you with good when you practice evil?

What a man soweth that he shall reap. So let the wicked be wicked still and the righteous continue in their righteousness in the end every will reap what he sows. So what's wrong with my explanation?

Dtruthspeaker:
If there was no such thing as freewill then why did He tell sinners "go and sin no more"?

Or "I lay before you life and death, choose life"?

It's just to serve as a witness that you were told to choose life but God already knows the end from the beginning. Why do you think God hardened Pharaoh's heart to do his will? Exodus 7:3-4 and 9:13? Even the new testament teaches the same thing... Read 2 Thessalonians 2:11

He will send them a strong delusion to believe a lie.

HeadBoy9:
If he didn't create "sin" then who did? I'm thinking of sin as such elements as water, light, darkness, sand, air, etc. Just one intangible reality in this world of God's, who else can make anything other than him? Satan?

I have given you biblical references to these questions, kindly read through and get back to me. The Bibles says He created everything for a purpose, even an evil man for the day of war ( Proverbs 16:4, Isaiah 45:7). Even Isaiah 46:10, Ephesians 1:4 supports this notion

HeadBoy9:
If he didn't create "sin" then who did? I'm thinking of sin as such elements as water, light, darkness, sand, air, etc. Just one intangible reality and this world of God's, who else can make anything other than him? Satan?

All I can say from the Bible verses I have studied is that God's judgements are truth and righteous for the just and unjust alike. He pays every man in their own coin according to their works

HeadBoy9:
Now looks to me like you're arriving somewhere right now. This is the Almighty we're talking about who made the world, times, futures, and all. Why even create a world where sin was a possiblilty and then have the need to have a back up plan?

He created the world without sin but he knew man would eventually fall because he lives in the flesh. He planned on harvesting children with His attributes but because he knew man would eventually fall, he created a backup plan to fulfill His purpose for mankind.

HeadBoy9:
Why does he yet judge shortcomings as if any can resist his will?

All would be judged according to their works, you can't work on a rice plantation and expect your rewards in cattles. God doesn't work that way, He will pay you in your own coin.

HeadBoy9:
God to have you here Gammarays

I'm responding to items 3 and 4

3. This is the ALMIGHTY that holds times and realities in himself so I would think he knows every future since he designed them. It's not like this is our averege futures forecaster or something. He knows the end from the beginning, ya know? You can't be implying God's decisions are reactionary like him sending Jesus to die for sin was an emergency rescue mission initiated in response to the fall.

4. Talking about abilities, we both agree that God made man and gave man abilities and qualities. What stops one from saying the qualities of being dishonourable and to lack discipline are Esau's gifts, as divinely ordained, and that the events of his life were his divine future as made, known, and ordained by the ALMIGHTY?

Christ was chosen even before the world was created, but because of you, he did not come until these last days. (1 Peter 1:20) Proverbs 8:23 also says the same. God foreknew man's fall before creation, Christ was the back up.

HeadBoy9:
A friend read Romans 9, especially the verses below:

Romans 9:11-13 KJV [AMPC]
[11] (for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth [12] it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
[13] As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated (held in relative disregard in comparison with My feeling for Jacob).

When he was done reading he concluded that every outcome in life and of one's life is preordained and that there isn't any judgement from God for any shortcomings of man that can be justified since he made us and everything is preset.

The implication of this line of thought is that there is no reward and no punishment for deeds. That anything there is, is just how it ought to be. Both those who believe and those who don't are ordained so by God...

To counter this, I delved into showing patterns from the choosing of Abel over Cain, the selection of Abraham over his older brothers Nahor and Haran, Joseph inheriting the "honour" of his father, David the most inconsequential being made king among his brethren, even Jesus coming from Galilee the most unlikely place.

Usually, to attain to these positions these individuals cited above attained to was usually based on being the first born child or possessing some other qualities setting one apart and giving an advantage over others but these people didn't get there through this means. Their attainment to their places in history and time was entirely based on God's whim (aka, will).

So protocols were broken in their instances. But why do that exactly?

I believe God was teaching us a single less through the lives of these individuals combined: his divine selection mechanism called Grace.

This isn't based on your accomplishments, biological advantages, or anything you do in and of your own.

It's a way to tell mortal man that he'll never be sufficient by and of himself except helped by God.

Back to "Esau have I hated and Jacob I love"

By his right as the first born, Isaac's "blessing" (which he got from his father Abraham), belonged to Esau. Meanwhile, God had already told Rebecca that the elder would "serve" the younger before ever they were born.

The mistake is thinking that the blessing in question was something of material substance. It isn't.

1 Chronicles 5:1-2 AMPC
[1] NOW [we come to] the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel. For [Reuben] was the eldest, but because he polluted his father's couch [with Bilhah his father's concubine] his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph [favorite] son of Israel; so the genealogy is not to be reckoned according to the birthright. [2] Judah prevailed above his brethren, and from him came the prince and leader [and eventually the Messiah]; yet the birthright was Joseph's.

From the above, the house of Joseph had the "blessing" yet the kingship was Judah's. That is to say, despite having the blessing, the house of Joseph still "served" the house of Judah. Also, the blessing is the right of the first born and is the priesthood of the God of Abraham, Isaac...and of Jacob. Meaning that Judah received the leadership mandate while spiritual oversight was Joseph's and his house after him.

So when God said that the elder would serve the younger, it didn't automatically imply that his right to the priesthood of his fathers as the first born was forfeit. It had to be something in his attitude which I'll show in a bit. Note also that God never said he hated Esau, he only stated that the elder would serve the younger. It was Malachi that added that latter part (Malachi 1:1-3) and Paul alluded to it in Romans ch,apter 9. You won't find any mention of "hate" or it implied directly or indirectly in the original place in Genesis 25:21-23.

More so, it was a thousand years (give or take) after we're told Rebecca first became privy to the futures of her children before prophet Malachi would tell them God said he hated Esau. The events had already taken place long before and a certain outcome reached before Malachi spoke.

I believe Malachi was only drawing a lesson from the event already past. Studying the context of his statement in Malachi chapter 1 would reveal he was trying to correct an attitude in those latter Israelites.

So hate as used in that context meant something different as the scripture below puts it:

1 Samuel 2:30 KJV
[30] Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

Below is the same text as Good News (GNT) Translation puts it:

1 Samuel 2:30 GNT
[30] I, the Lord God of Israel, promised in the past that your family and your clan would serve me as priests for all time. But now I say that I won't have it any longer! Instead, I will honor those who honor me, and I will treat with contempt those who despise me.

This was exactly what prophet Malachi was saying

Easu had an attitude of perpetual dishonor towards the priesthood (and God) of his fathers.

Hebrew makes it clearer still:

Hebrews 12:16-17 AMPC
[16] That no one may become guilty of sexual vice, or become a profane (godless and sacrilegious) person as Esau did, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. [17] For you understand that later on, when he wanted [to regain title to] his inheritance of the blessing, he was rejected (disqualified and set aside), for he could find no opportunity to repair by repentance [what he had done, no chance to recall the choice he had made], although he sought for it carefully with [bitter] tears.

A quick prompt of what does it mean to be profane? into ChatGPT yielded the answer we have below:



So Esau was this kind of person prone to desecrate hallowed things and that was why he lost his birthright and not because God had preordained hatred towards him. Look how easily he traded away that honour for a meal of porridge, and as if that wasn't bad enough he went on to marry from all the places God said not to marry from (this is to preserve the purity of worship).

My conclusion was that God didn't preordain hatred against Esau. His place and right as the first born was his until, he, through one attitude of dishonor (and irreverence) after another, cut himself off from his inheritance.

That was exactly what I told this friend yet he chose to stay with his original position making me want to have others see maybe I drove off course entirely. Though I believe I'm in order having scriptural proof.

The Lord decares the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), there is no such thing as "freewill". He created all things for His purpose and His counsel shall stand (Isaiah 45:7, Proverbs 16:4). Predestination, Election of Grace too - Ephesians 1:4, Exodus 7:3-4, 9:12)

DeepSight:
This is just grammar. I repeat if an omniscient, omnipotent creator knows 100 per cent what you will do, you will do it. Simple.
His knowledge of what you will do existed before you existed at all - so how will you change it?
If you change it you are more powerful than him - also his omniscience fails.

In all the unnecessary mis-applied English you try to write, you fail at the simple point - the fact that omniscience and freewill are incompatible.

You will try to say He knows all the options - but wrong - the point is he knows the exact option you will take before he even made you.

To emphasize - it was known what you will do even before you existed!

That is an incongruity that can never be explained. Mind you - I dont affirm either precept - omniscience or freewill - it is you who does.
You are simply trying to say that a square circle exists.

I have no doubt a person like you will try to reconcile contradictions such as claiming Jesus was fully man and fully God.
Even when the definitions are exclusive. Man is limited. God is limitless. But no doubt you will try using mis-applied words to spin a tale.

Try elsewhere. Not impressed.

Nicely said. The Bibles says he created everything for a purpose, even an evil man for the day of war ( Proverbs 16:4, Isaiah 45:7). Even Isaiah 46:10, Ephesians 1:4 supports this logic. If the Bible is correct then freewill is nothing but human creation.

But it just happened for a few mins. It's back online now!

Oga stay one side, no be una tell us say person thief 70 Billion from the student loan? Have you recovered it? And where is the person who stole it? You dey whine?

Money lost money no lost again, which juju be that?

No student wey I know done see any alert. Stupid people.

immortalcrown:
Put poverty and bad governance aside, this is peer pressure. As a matter of fact, most of the people here can afford to feed well in Nigeria. Poor Nigerians do not have money for passport and visa.

My comment is based on the caption of the post. I don't waste my time on such videos. What brought the crowd is also what brought her. So whatever she thinks of the crowd also applies to her.

Shey Dem want use leg waka enter Belarus nii?

They are just catching their cruise over the poor Nigerians. Stupid Government!

FreeIgboho:
Ok, is the devil good?

I wasn't talking about the devil here. Why are you trying to change the topic? Jesus was in the flesh and he admitted he wasn't God nor was he good, but only God. Stop clutching at straws.

FreeIgboho:
You know the definition of good.
WAS JESUS GOOD??!!

Jesus never admitted he was good, and I will keep telling you that. He knows why he admitted he wasn't good! Only God is good, his statement.

FreeIgboho:
You were asked a question. Was Jesus good?

Jesus never admitted he good, and I replied.

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

It means synchronicity at some level, not the same Almighty.

FreeIgboho:
Is Jesus good or not? There's something to explain, right?
What is there to explain in this statement:
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus never admitted he was good!

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

Ofcourse when they possess the same spirit they will be like him. All children of God.

DeepSight:
Stop this. Jesus himself explained what he meant by this.

John 17:11
"And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one."



John 17:21
"that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

John 17:22-23
"The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

If the foregoing explanations by Jesus himself of what he meant by "one" and "I am in the father and the father in me" - are not sufficient for you, then no wahala.

Clean. I don't even understand what all these confusion in Christianity means. With all these glaring truths they will still be arguing!