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OriOko88:

One thing I find fascinating and inspiring about the major men of God like Adeboye,Kumuyi,Oyedepo,Wale Oke, etc is that they all had humble beginnings,like they started from d scratch. Their parents were nobodies,so they were so dedicated to serve the Lord during their early ministries.

That's why I don't join the criticism of other who say they're too Rich. Leave them let them be too Rich,u too can start your journey to riches like them if it's that easy. These men have paid their dues so God don bless them accordingly.

But why are these men of God teachings not in agreement? Why do they belong to different churches that are not united?

rexbuton:


1. Tithing is not the first point raised in the write up, nor is it the only point, so I’d rather we didn’t dwell on it.
Tithing is not a question of percentages but a question of obedience and faith.
But I’ll post clarification this one time which should suffice for other people asking similar questions.

The Bible is very clear in Leviticus 27:30 where it says “A tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain or fruit, is the Lord’s, and is holy.”
God’s people were not even to think of the tithe as theirs to do with as they pleased. It was the Lord’s, and they were to automatically give it back to him.

The first tithe made in the bible happened in Genesis 14:19-20. The first person to do so in the bible was Abram. Abram (more well known as Abraham) returned from battle and was met by Melchizedek. During their encounter Melchizedek attributes Abram’s victory to God and he blesses Abram. Abram responds to the blessing in gratitude and gives Melchizedek a tenth (aka tithe) of all his possessions.

And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!” And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

This happened long before the Mosaic law. Jesus came and said he didn’t even come to abolish mosaic law. Even when he challenged the Pharisees he didn’t condemn tithing, he said it was as important as other points I gave in the original write up. This, Jesus upholds the tithe in Matthew 23:23 (cf. Luke 11:42).
Compare with Mark 7.19 where Jesus goes against Mosaic law by stating that you can eat any food, and it isn’t food that defiles a man.
So if Tithing was wrong or obsolete, Jesus would have told his disciples to not bother.

Finally, there is nothing compulsory, it is a matter of choice. I like to use this verse for summation:
2 Corinthians 9:6
6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.

When did the mosaic law become obsolete, was it before or after Jesus death?

MightySparrow:


He has, just like a university has all courses, you apply and follow your own.
Then, you fulfill the aim and objectives of the university.

Within the general is the particular.

So what is the general purpose of God for creating men on earth? Let's start from there first.

jesusjnr2020:
Seek them out and you shall find if you're really wanted to know.

I thought you said Jesus commissioned you to preach about his teachings to others. So why are you leading me on a solo journey?
Are you not supposed to preach the teachings of christ to me as found in the gospel?

jesusjnr2020:
It's His teachings as relayed in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John as I said repeatedly, if you missed it.

So what are these teachings since you've read them?

MightySparrow:



The purpose of God for your life which you must find out by His help.

So are you saying that God does not have a general purpose for which he created men on earth?

jesusjnr2020:
The final instruction Jesus gave to His disciples before His departure is still the same He's giving to anyone who sincerely wants to stop following Christians and start following Christ up til date.

It hasn't still changed!

That's the instruction He gave to world-renown healing evangelist, Oral Roberts when the preacher asked Him what he needs to do to know Jesus. Jesus didn't tell him to go and read the Bible as Christians generally would, but specifically the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John 3 times in a month. (After Oral Roberts obeyed His Voice he said he knew Jesus more than he knew any other human being).

That's similar to what Jesus told apostle Johnson Suleiman when he sought to know the opinion of Jesus instead of the opinion of Christians about some questionable teachings in the Bible. Jesus pointed him to His teachings in the Bible.

I believe it's not far from what happened to apostle Joshua Selman that made him to start extolling the Words of Jesus above every other, including those of the apostles in the Bible. It must have been a sincere desire to seek what Christ Himself says instead of what Christians have been saying.

I should know because that's what also happened to me when I desired to hear from Jesus Himself instead of what Christians were saying. I was specifically directed to the Gospels of Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which informed the emphasis I place on the teachings of Christ today instead of the Bible as Christians do.

So the fact that virtually all Christians were saying something contrary to what Jesus said, doesn't mean the final instruction of Christ to His disciples to teach all men to keep all His teachings has changed.

It hasn't and will never change no matter what Christians choose to make of it, but will still stand even til the ends of the world when Jesus make His return to the Earth to judge all men according to what they did with His Word!

Matthew 24:35 (KJV)

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

John 12:48-50 (KJV)

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God bless.

You've not still told us what Jesus told you in all your long write up. So what is the content of what Jesus told you to teach all men?

judedwriter:

2 Kings 3
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¹⁶ And he said, Thus saith the LORD, Make this valley full of ditches.
¹⁷ For thus saith the LORD, Ye shall not see wind, neither shall ye see rain; yet that valley shall be filled with water, that ye may drink, both ye, and your cattle, and your beasts.
¹⁸ And this is but a light thing in the sight of the LORD: he will deliver the Moabites also into your hand.
¹⁹ And ye shall smite every fenced city, and every choice city, and shall fell every good tree, and stop all wells of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones.


The kings of Israel, Judah and Edom teamed up together to fight against Mesha, King of Moab because he defaulted in paying tributes to the king of Israel.

After a prophecy of total victory over the Moabites by the prophet Elisha and a miraculous outflow of water, the three kings began to subdue the Moabites and destroy their territory according to the Word of God.

However, as the alliance were pressing the battle unto the last remaining stronghold of the Moabites, a city wall called Kirharaseth to capture king Mesha and completely overcome his land; he did something that provoked "great indignation" against the three kings.

He raised an altar and offered his eldest son, his heir apparent, on the city wall to Chemosh god of the Moabites. (2 kings 3:27) And the three kings falling under a restraining demonic force, retreated from him.

Here we can see the great power of altars. What makes an altar really powerful is the quality of sacrifice on it. The greater the sacrifice, the more powerful the altar.

Although the three kings of Israel, Judah and Edom were backed by a divine prophecy, they couldn't completely fulfill it because of an altar that was raised at a great cost.

We see a similar case like this in Mark 9: 17-29.

The disciples of Jesus couldn't cast out a particular demon that proved just too powerful.

When probed why it occurred this way, Jesus said "this kind goes out by nothing but prayer and fasting".

Have you ever wondered:

1. Why you are so close to a life changing breakthrough, and you suddenly lose it?

2. Why you fail unexpectedly after working and planning so hard?

3. Why you can't seem to progress no further despite all your efforts?

4. Why destiny fulfillment is becoming more and difficult?

5. Why after all your prayer efforts, nothing much seems to happen?


The shocking truth is that in these last evil days, more and more powerful altars with very costly sacrifices are raised against us to stop God's prophecies/destinies over our lives.

The only way to overcome these powerful altars is through faith, fasting and prayers through Jesus Christ.

No other altar is more powerful than that of Jesus Christ, who offered His own blood as an eternal sacrifice to God for the cleansing of sins:

1 Peter 1
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¹⁸ Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

¹⁹ But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.


From the the days of Abraham to these present times, all manners of altars have been raised and dedicated to God and the devil.

However one particular altar stands out from them all, and through this altar, we have complete victory:

The eternal altar of Jesus!

If God Himself offered up His own son as a sacrifice, which altar is more powerful than God's?🔥

Please explain the meaning of Destiny.

rexbuton:


Good question.
There are levels.
Riches are different from wealth, of which the highest is Kingdom wealth - the wealth that comes from the blessing. There are levels in this thing.

The bible makes it clear that there is a wealth that endures, the blessing that makes you rich without sorrow.
Thus, we can imply that there is riches with sorrows, either present sorrows or future sorrows. We see the external appearance of their riches, but they know the price they pay or have paid or will pay. People of the world around us know this already, so I won’t go into it.

Of course, God causes it to rain on the good and evil, but that daily rain cannot take you into Kingdom wealth. When you are in this level, your ways and path continue to shine brighter and brighter! When there is general economic downturn, you are exempted. Shalom!

Lol...so every Christian feeling the bad economy in Nigeria is not experiencing the kingdom wealth?

rexbuton:
Do not be deceived, the word of God cannot be broken. There are specific rules for Kingdom wealth ~ this is wealth that defies logic and explanation. Here are the keys. The points below are for children of the kingdom of God only. Thanks.

1. Seeking God. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and ALL other things shall be added unto you.
To seek God means to devote time for the study of His word, consciously walking according to his dictates, living your life as a representation of him on earth (living as the salt of the earth), and pursuing the advancement of his Kingdom via establishment of souls.
“Thou shalt remember the Lord thy God, for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish the covenant with he sware unto thy fathers ‘’
God is looking for people who would use their positions to evangelise for God. There are billionaires who are sunday school teachers, who are ushers, who go out for evangelism. People who would sponsor free medical outreaches under the name of Jesus. You must live your life in a way that people are confused about if you are a professional or a pastor.

2. Having a handiwork. God blesses the work of our hands, God does not reward the lazy. When you have a handiwork, then God’s power becomes a force multiplier, he makes things to happen for your sake, mistakes for your benefit, government policies for your sake, being at the right place at the right time. What people sometimes get as ‘luck’ would be what you constantly get as grace.

3. Honoring your father and mother. Honoring in this context doesn’t mean greeting them in morning, or standing up so they can sit, but TAKING care of their needs financially and materially. The bible forbids neglecting your parents with the excuse that you have given the money to God. The commandment to honor your father and mother is the only one that has a promise amongst the 10 commandments.
It doesn’t matter whether your parents took care of you or not, it is their right, it is a universal law. It is not transferable to your spiritual father or pastor or prophet.
If your parents are late, then the person who played the role of your parents is who you owe. Because your parents retain the power to bless or curse.

[b]4. Your tithes and offerings!
Can a man rob God? Yet we rob God by withholding his tithes! According to King David, it is a privilege for us to be able to give unto God, because all we have and acquire are from/for God. 10% of your income is God’s money. Babies in Christ find this aspect very controversial. So I will take you back to the Old Testament, offerings and tithes were the best crops and animals, and they were dressed, garnished, burnt and the smoke ascended up to heaven as their offering.
I am sure the Israelites burnt dirt and refuse every other day, with the smoke rising up into the air, but there was never any controversy about if the offering smoke actually got to heaven or if it was like any other rubbish incinerated. God is not looking at the smoke or the 10% you have brought, he is looking at the OBEDIENCE and FAITH in bringing in your tithe. How much are you willing to let go off in obedience to God? Same example is giving in Abraham almost offering Isaac, his only son, the son of his old age! If you cannot release 10%, can you release your own life for God to use?

Thus focusing on what the tithe is used for is beyond our pay grade, that money has been offered to God, 10% is statutorily God’s money. We are fortunate today that the money is often spent on running the church office, evangelism, crusades, tracts , care of the needy in the church etc. Because if we were still agrarian offering burnt offerings, ‘’leading researchers’’ would have told us how it was physically impossible for smoke to go past the atmosphere up to the heavens, and how our smoke from offerings was rapidly depleting the ozone layer, while jet fuel from private jets were not. But thank God we are not talking about laws of physics and chemistry.
I have written so much about this point, because the devil actively targets believers by deceiving them, even using false prophets in our midst, leading to a situation where some believers pay tithes and offerings grudgingly thus missing out on the reward. [/b]

5. Giving to the Poor: Whosoever ever giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord, and he will surely repay. The word of God also says that when we give our bread to the hungry, then in our darkness (or lowest point), we would be shining as the noon day, our barns or bank account will burst with plenty, and the glory of God will be on everything we do.
Even unbelievers know this fact. Taking care of orphans, widows, prisoners, disabled, the elderly, children and other vulnerable groups are acts that God cannot ignore. When you do these deeds, you have to do it anonymously if possible, so that God will reward you directly. Alms giving with cameras flashing is hypocrisy, there is no reward for that.

Ancillary points worth mentioning.
A. God honors covenants. In establishing Abraham, he made a covenant with him and swore by himself, and all through his walk with the children of Israel, God always refer back to his covenant he made with Abraham, reaffirmed with Jacob, and again via Moses and Joshua.
Some people have ancestors who have made covenants with demons of poverty, mortgaging their future generations in exchange for short term benefits such as long life, or protection from enemies- not just in Africa but in the western world too. This leads to their generations struggling without limit, you could see families where no one has built a house, no one has a car, or no university graduate - or the person who almost gets out of the cycle dies mysteriously. Those are demonic patterns. Or having strange expenditure as soon as money arrives.
There are people overseas who are known to have incredibly bad luck, there is usually a covenant in play. If you have done all the above diligently and still struggling, then you need to address foundational covenants of hardship and poverty. How?
a. Completely giving your life to Christ
b. Intense fasting and prayers
c. Meditating on and verbally declaring God’s promises of wealth and abundance. There is power in the spoken word of God.
d. Deep deliverance - Fasting, prayers, deliverance exercise. No matter how dark that covenant is, engaging the power of fasting and corporate deliverance (praying as a group) is able to dismantle those satanic deals. Even the lawful captive shall be delivered, let alone you who inherited deals you didn’t sign up for. I will not shy away from recommending MFM Prayer City.

B. Honouring the office of the priest, pastor or prophet. It is controversial, but it is true. Sowing in the lives of your spiritual parents attracts spiritual rewards. You will always receive a prophet’s reward, if you honor a prophet for the sake of God.
There are special circumstances where prophet can overrule certain negative decrees operational in your life. Most notable example was Jacob cursing Reuben, and Moses overturning the curse on Reuben.
Today we have people with diabolic parents who have placed curses on them, and these curses are frequently overturned by men of God. The word of God says ‘’no causeless curse shall stand’’, and ‘’there is no condemnation for them which are in Christ Jesus’’.

Shalom

What verses in the Bible does God demands Christians to pay him 10% of their income. You are yet to quote the verse

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Ebonygeek:
God is perfect and He has created a perfect world for all who do His will.

John 14:2-3 KJV
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so , I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Earth itself was perfect before satan corrupted it. Now we must all strive to enter the perfect world when we leave this one.

Where is that perfect world located?

Iamanoited:



Of Jesus, YES. But not of Lucifer.

GOD-GRAND ORDER DOMINION IS THE SUPREME SPIRIT.

You are not clear....Who bears the name 'Supreme Lord', Jesus or his father?

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Vision101:

Reread you initial comment and it's clear that you don't need scriptures. I can quote loads of scriptures to you and your next call will be to engage in argument.

Jesus told us to leave such people.

You've not even quoted one scripture that shows where God demands tithe from Christians and you are insisting that I would not accept the evidence. Is that not funny?

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Veecruz:


You be winners?

Den tell una man make hin no.dey Lie and twist bible like jws and catholics dey do.

Mr Veecrus, which church you know wey dey talk true today?
Since you don mention the ones wey dey lie.

22jumpstreet:


Occult (hidden) knowledge.

😁😁😁....you meant personal imagination