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You are the funny kid with foolish beliefs. That's why you result to name calling when you know you have nothing sensible to backup your foolishness.
Flavius Josephus did not know about the Jesus sect when he was 16 and he tried all the three religious sects among them, till he was 19, that was AD 53 to AD 56 but he did not hear of Jesus christ a fellow Jew that rose up on the third day? Flavius Josephus surrendered to the Romans to save his own life in AD 67, during the First Jewish-Roman War and was made to write about the invented Jesus christ from the royal palace in Rome around AD 95.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

Flavius Josephus: "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."

Flavius Josephus: "And when I was about sixteen years old, I had a mind to make trial of the several sects that were among us. These sects are three: the first is that of the Pharisees, the second that of the Sadducees, and the third that of the Essenes. I thought that by this means I might choose the best, if I were once acquainted with them all. So I contented myself with hard fare, and underwent great difficulties, and went through them all."

Flavius Josephus: "And when I had accomplished my desires, I returned back to the city; being now nineteen years old, and began to conduct myself according to the rules of the sect of the Pharisees, which is akin to the sect of the Stoics, as the Greeks call it."

The Historia Augusta in the late fourth century AD: (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

tctrills:
Funny child,
Your point is that no historian said Jesus Christ was a Jew?
Except his very followers Matthew and John. Josephus said Jesus was a Jew. And many of the other historians I mentioned.
If your only argument is that no historian said Jesus Christ was a Jew then you really have no point please bring up another.
Now let me educate you, hoping you will have the humility to read.
In the link below you will find the works of the historian Tacitus on Jesus Christ and the early Christians.
Learn before arguing.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus#:~:text=Tacitus%20is%20one%20of%20the,Pliny%20the%20Younger%2C%20and%20Suetonius[/url].

From all the valid points I've made plus adding these below from historians, and you still cannot realise that Christianity did not start from a Jewish man in Nazareth, shows what your head is filled with below.

All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

The Historia Augusta is a collection of often spurious biographies of Roman emperors that was written in the late fourth century AD (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

tctrills:
What's your point? You realize you have not been able to make a single point? And you have nothing to back up your feelings.
Let's take just one of the things you wrote to show the shallowness.
You claim that Jesus did not ask anyone to write about him. How does that prove that he did not invent Christianity?
Then you said Christians say Jesus has a Jewish name, a Greek name and an English name.
You are just all over the place without making any point.
Calm down and make your point. You seem to worse than Mr Nobody

@tctrills
You are the Mr Nobody and I will show you this here:

Those who created Mohammed did a better job compared to those who created Jesus christ.
1. Saudi Arabia was not under Roman occupation when Islam was invented.
2. Mohammed is an Arab name.
3. Mohammed was written about in Arabic.
4. The headquarters of Islam is not in Turkey which was part of the Roman empire, but in Mohammed's own town.
5. Mohammed's name did not change from Arabic.
6. Mohammed asked the scribe to write down the things he said in order to preserve them.
7. The Arabs in their Koran has Mohammed in it as the messenger of Allah.

Compared with the invented Jesus christ:

1. Israel was under occupation by the Romans when Jesus christ was invented.
2. Jesus christ is not a Jewish name. 
3. Jesus christ was not written about in a Jewish language.
4. The headquarters of Christianity is in Rome and not in Jesus christ own town Nazareth.
5. Christians say Jesus has a Jewish name, a Greek name and an English name.
6. Jesus christ did not ask anyone to write down the things he said.
7. The Jews in their Talmud do not have Jesus Christ in it but this: "On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

By comparing the two you can see that those who invented Mohammed did a better job than those who invented Jesus christ.

All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

So you are the illiterate and a Mr Nobody that just believes in a character of a storybook that was invented and wasn't even properly done.

tctrills:
Mr Nobody, you are yet to address my last reply where I gave you a very long list of historians, mostly first century historians who wrote about the early Christian persecution at the hands of the Romans.
Could you list the historians who feed you the nonsense you have been spewing?

tctrills:
Foolish talk.
The Arabs had a convenant with their gods yet Mohamed established a new religion and ideology.
Please make some sense.
I have based my argument on recorded history while your argument is based on nothing. You have very little education on the topic. But instead of you to learn and increase your know you go about making arguments.
It's such a shame

tctrills:
You keep giving in to foolishness my brother.
Now you claim that Christianity was more popular than all the other Jewish sects.
And you went on to show verses that show the number of Christian. Now let me ask you, how many pharisees were there at the time of Josephus?
Stop saying things you have no idea of

You are the one giving in to foolishness.

See what you wrote below, but same Flavius Josephus you quoted did not know about Christianity in AD 53! Even though you quoted that "He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks"

"Here are the very words of the first Century historian Flavius Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks.
Here is a link so you can educate yourself on the works of Josephus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus"

MaxInDHouse:
Ask them to tell you the name of their new church nah if they're not deceiving themselves!

Why would they want to go to another church after escaping from yours

tctrills:
I sent you a direct quote from Josephus about Jesus Christ and and entire link of his works on Jesus Christ but you refused to read. How else can I help you?
Now your question is a foolish one, and here is why.
First you are comparing Christianity which was only a few decades old at the time of Josephus to sects that were centuries old and much more established how does that make sense.

You not answering my question is the foolish one. What you quoted was written around AD 95 from the royal palace in Rome long after Josephus was born compare that to the question I asked you which took place in AD 53!

Jesus sect at that time were more popular than any other established:

3000 were added to the Christian faith on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:41). Following this, Acts 2:47 states: "And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

1. Crowds Following Jesus for Healing and Teaching
Matthew 4:23-25:
"News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill... Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, and the region across the Jordan followed him."

Mark 1:28:
"News about him spread quickly over the whole region of Galilee."

Luke 5:15:
"Yet the news about him spread all the more, so that crowds of people came to hear him and to be healed of their sicknesses."

2. Feeding of the 5,000
John 6:2:
"A great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick."

Mark 6:33-34:
"Many who saw them leaving recognized them and ran on foot from all the towns and got there ahead of them. When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them..."

3. Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem
Matthew 21:8-9:
"A very large crowd spread their cloaks on the road, while others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, 'Hosanna to the Son of David!' 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!'"

Luke 19:37-38:
"When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen."

4. Sermon on the Mount
Matthew 5:1-2:
"Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them."
5. Jesus' Popularity After Miracles
Matthew 9:8:
"When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man."

Luke 4:37:
"And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area."

Mark 2:1-2:
"A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard that he had come home. They gathered in such large numbers that there was no room left, not even outside the door, and he preached the word to them."

6. Palm Sunday
John 12:12-13:
"The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, 'Hosanna!' 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!'"
7. Popularity with the Samaritans
John 4:39-42:
"Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony... So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. And because of his words many more became believers."
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MaxInDHouse:
The people after following Jesus for more than 3years left him thought he is becoming a nuisance due to what he said that sounds barbaric, those leaving God's organization today felt the same thing.
One thing that's indisputable is that those that left Jesus can't associate with any other religion or sect because they don't know a better teacher than Jesus the same thing is applicable to those leaving God's organization today.

You can prove me wrong by asking any of them to tell you the name of their newly found church after leaving God's organization! John 6:68

Then watch this video first of those escaping from your organisation and not even leaving but escaping! The people did not excapes from Jesus the left him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDvox6_oRQk

tctrills:
The summary of your point is that we should not trust a known scholar and historian of the first Century but we should trust you a Nairaland nobody with zero qualification who is not able to quote any known historian.
Even you should be able to see the holes in your argument

This quote was from Flavius Josephus:
"When I was in my sixteenth year, I had a mind to make trial of the several sects that were among us; these are the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes."

You have not answered my question on why did he not mention Christianity when Christianity was already popular then?

You are the Nairaland nobody with zero qualification whose only qualification is your belief in the invented Jesus Christ!

tctrills:
Anyone can write or say nonsense so instead of us making unsubstantiated claims, let you and I quote recognized historians that back our positions. Are you in for this?
Here are the very words of the first Century historian Flavius Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks.
Here is a link so you can educate yourself on the works of Josephus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Flavius Josephus wrote what you quoted around AD 95 from the royal palace in Rome and Flavius Josephus was not even born during the ministry of Jesus.

Now ask yourself why Flavius Josephus did not know of Christianity when he was 16 that's in AD 53 and did not know of Jesus followers when 3000 were added to the Christian faith on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:41). Following this, Acts 2:47 states: "And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." but here is an account from Flavius Josephus mentioned in his autobiography, "The Life of Josephus", that when he was 16 years old, he explored different Jewish sects in an effort to understand them and decide which one to follow. At the time, there were three major sects within Judaism:
Pharisees: Known for their strict interpretation and adherence to Jewish law and oral traditions.
Sadducees: A priestly, aristocratic group that rejected oral traditions and focused solely on the written Torah, often associated with Temple worship.
Essenes: A more ascetic and separatist sect that emphasized communal living, piety, and withdrawal from mainstream society.

So why was Christianity not mentioned, when Christianity was already popular at that time?

tctrills:
You reinvent history. You really should do some studying before coming out here to say these things.
The first Century Christians were hunted and killed by the Roman empire. The Romans continued to persecute Christians up to AD 313.
Just read a book and you will stop preaching these falsehoods.
Again, if Mohamed an Arab could invent Islam why do you think Jesus Christ a Jew can't be the author 9f Christianity?
Do some thinking bro

Okay let me education you on Jewish history. In AD 70 when the Roman empire destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem and conquered the Jews there were no Christians Jerusalem there was only Judaism and the Romans took many Jews away to Rome as slaves. Christianity started from the Egyptian god Osiris which the Romans had added to their religion and then the Romans merged it with Judaism to create Christianity in AD 313.

MaxInDHouse:
Kingsempires knew that the same thing happened when Jesus walked the earth {John 6:66} so it's not new, what Jesus told faithful people is:

"Whoever endure to the end will be saved" Matthew 24:13

So it's not surprising that many will shrink back to destruction! Hebrews 10:39

Those that left Jesus did not leave for the same reason people are leaving your organisation!

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you several times that apart from Jehovah's Witnesses no religion can survive teaching their members the same line of thought so many will claim they belong to Christ but how will you know they are lying to their own souls?

They will never ever agree on how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples {Luke 11:23} so when they see Jehovah's Witnesses unitedly working as One {John 17:22} they will conclude that we are a cult! Matthew 10:24-25

Then why are these people escaping from your organisation watch the video documentary of those escaping from your organisation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDvox6_oRQk

tctrills:
Again you are not making sense. Why is a Jew not capable of establishing another religion. Please explain.

Why did a Nigerian not establish another Ifa or Ogun religion during the European colonisation of Nigeria. Same thing with the Jews at that time the Romans were colonising the Jews at that time and part of the colonisation was to invent a gentle Jesus messiah to calm down the Jewish religious revolts against the Roman occupation with their pagan idol they placed in the Jewish Holly Temple in Jerusalem.

Segxydube:
There were evidence he lived and he did miracles but as u be atheist wetin u go talk b4?

Well, to shock u he will still be the one to judge u and the greatest sin ever is not to believe in him.

But your Roman empire invented Jesus Christ did not judge the Roman empire for destroying his father's house and his father's land in Jerusalem but showed a sign in the sky in Rome to help them win their own civil war 300 years later and decided to make Rome that is still filled with idols his head quarters instead of his father's land and his father's house in Jerusalem, but no your invented Jesus Christ was not bother that Rome destroyed his father's house and his father's land in Jerusalem.

sonmvayina:
You are great.....

Don't let their threat of hell stop you...

I have freed my mind from mental slavery...

True were are free from those brainwashers!

The True God of the original Torah has freed set my mind free, now it's our duty to go online and help free others too.
Freely we have been set free, freely were are to help set others free too!

You were the one that said all the other sects were minor, which means you are saying the Jesus sect were minor too

gohf:
there were other sects but the rest were minor

gohf:
so Jesus wasn't a major sect nor a minor sect but you account for his popularity based on records that state he existed before the tie frame you accuse he was made up, because you wrote and I quote, "They invented Jesus Christ after 70 AD to try and stop Jewish revolts. Flavius Josephus was 16 in 37 AD and did not know of Jesus" yet there are records from the same Josephus mentioning the Jesus you claim was made up

And here you reference stories you claim are made to state his popularity yet say "Josephus did not know him"

Could you care to explain to those reading the basis of your changing statements or should we accept that they are based on your personal feelings as we read from what you wrote

"This is why the invented Jesus Christ did not also direct his anger towards the Roman soldiers superiors who came and invaded his homeland, like he always did to his own people even the innocent tree he did not forgive"

Showing your disappointment in his choices brings about a denial of his existence.

Like you wrote and I quote, "Jesus was not minor but was very popular then"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7tTQ272OHE

The Europeans came to Africa saw black magic, they took it back to Europe to develop Europe and their technology and then came back to use it to colonise Africa.
This is because Africans are selfish with their black magic and will be using it secretly in their bedroom and in their wardrobe and be saying in the open that Jesus Christ is the only way instead of them to bring out their black magic so that we can use it for science and technology to develop Africa.

DNP2020:
Very Strange Experience With My Father. Should I Be Worried?

Hello guys.. the background behind this story is lenghty so to spare you the trouble ill jump straight to the point. My father though he has his flaws is a very religious and i dare say principled man in some aspects.n He never misses church service. Went to bible school. At one point he was even a house fellowship leader. He prays and fast often.

So on this day i was standing in the doorway to my dads room. He wanted to send me on an erand ''i think'', so he opened his wardrope to get to get the money. Immediately he opened his wardrop i saw a BAT...yes BAT hanging upside down right there in his wardrope. In shock i jumped and shouted

''daddy see bat see bat !!!''.

Guess what he did. He simply smiled and gently closed his wardrope. I have never been this confused. I saw a bat hanging upside down in his wardrop and all he did was smile and gently closed the door. I don't know what to make of it. I have already concluded, there is no way on earth this is from God. Up until this time i have never seen a bat up close in real time. The closest ive been was watch them on television. Contemplate how scared and confused i am now. I picked up an excuse and ran out of the house to go stay with my relative..its been a week since i left and im still too scared to go back.

What do you folks make of this? How can a man who prays and fast and attends bible school have a BAT in his wardrope. WTF !!

Theres a part two and this one is about my mother.

sonmvayina:
Hahhaahhahaha,
Where do you pull all these puns from

I love them.

Thanks....don't mind the brainwashed Christians with their brain in their asses.

All forgeries, to keep the lie going. All attributed to Eusebius, who said it was ok to lie for God.

Believing this invented story till YouTube exposed this to me that it's an invented story and the mind is now free to ask questions, it's like how did one not ask such questions before YouTube, but now with all the free information on YouTube and from your posts these puns are now coming from a new free mind that has been suppressed with this invented story in the past.

It's very surprising that Jesus Christ did not help his own people defeat the Roman empire from his father's land, but same Jesus Christ showed Constantine a sign in the sky to help Constantine win his war in Rome 300 years later

How about internal security?

Have CCTV on every street

gohf:
there were other sects but the rest were minor

Jesus was not minor but was very popular then:

1. Crowds Following Jesus for Healing and Teaching
Matthew 4:23-25:
"News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill... Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, and the region across the Jordan followed him."

Mark 1:28:
"News about him spread quickly over the whole region of Galilee."

Luke 5:15:
"Yet the news about him spread all the more, so that crowds of people came to hear him and to be healed of their sicknesses."

2. Feeding of the 5,000
John 6:2:
"A great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick."

Mark 6:33-34:
"Many who saw them leaving recognized them and ran on foot from all the towns and got there ahead of them. When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them..."

3. Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem
Matthew 21:8-9:
"A very large crowd spread their cloaks on the road, while others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, 'Hosanna to the Son of David!' 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!'"

Luke 19:37-38:
"When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen."

4. Sermon on the Mount
Matthew 5:1-2:
"Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them."
5. Jesus' Popularity After Miracles
Matthew 9:8:
"When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man."

Luke 4:37:
"And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area."

Mark 2:1-2:
"A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard that he had come home. They gathered in such large numbers that there was no room left, not even outside the door, and he preached the word to them."

6. Palm Sunday
John 12:12-13:
"The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, 'Hosanna!' 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!'"
7. Popularity with the Samaritans
John 4:39-42:
"Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony... So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. And because of his words many more became believers."

TimiRume:
They had the big church gathering and home meetings, from house to house. Today we have only the big church gathering and have neglected home meetings

Home meetings to bring people like this into your home:

Rebukes to Leaders:
In 1 Timothy 1:3-7 and Titus 1:10-16, Paul criticizes church leaders who teach false doctrines or fail to meet godly standards.

The Church in Corinth (1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians)
Man is sleeping with his father’s wife.
1 Corinthians 5:1, Paul writes:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife."

Immorality:
1 Corinthians 5:1-13
Paul condemns the church for tolerating a case of incest and failing to deal with sexual immorality within the congregation.

Divisions and Factions:
1 Corinthians 1:10-13, 3:1-4
Paul rebukes the Corinthians for forming cliques based on their favorite leaders (e.g., Paul, Apollos, Peter).

The Church in Philippi (Philippians)
Selfish Ambition and Disunity:
Philippians 2:1-4, 4:2-3
Paul urges the Philippians to set aside selfish ambition and calls out two women, Euodia and Syntyche, urging them to reconcile.

Division and Strife:
Galatians 5:15, 5:26
Paul warns against biting and devouring one another, indicating there were conflicts and rivalries within the church.

The Church in Colossae (Colossians)
False Teachings:
Colossians 2:8-23
Paul warns the Colossians against being taken captive by philosophy, human traditions, and ascetic practices.

The Church in Thessalonica (1 Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians)
Laziness and Idleness:
2 Thessalonians 3:6-15
Paul criticizes some members for being idle and not working, warning the church not to tolerate such behavior.

General Warnings to Churches (Ephesians, Pastoral Epistles)
Immorality and False Teaching:
Ephesians 4:17-32, 5:1-20
Paul admonishes the Ephesian church to avoid impurity, greed, and corrupt speech.

There are better ways to settle this than to lynched. If that was kidnappers that has come to kidnap them they will become gentle like jelly and will not try to lynched the kidnappers.

"It was gathered that the female passenger would have been lynched if not for the intervention of the Aviation Security (AVSEC) personnel and those of Ibom Air."

gohf:
they invented a believe system to conquer the Jews? So when they destroyed them in 70AD why did they continue it

They invented Jesus Christ after 70 AD to try and stop Jewish revolts. Flavius Josephus was 16 in 37 AD and did not know of Jesus followers when 3000 were added to the Christian faith on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:41). Following this, Acts 2:47 states: "And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." but here is an account from Flavius Josephus mentioned in his autobiography, "The Life of Josephus", that when he was 16 years old, he explored different Jewish sects in an effort to understand them and decide which one to follow. At the time, there were three major sects within Judaism:

Pharisees: Known for their strict interpretation and adherence to Jewish law and oral traditions.
Sadducees: A priestly, aristocratic group that rejected oral traditions and focused solely on the written Torah, often associated with Temple worship.
Essenes: A more ascetic and separatist sect that emphasized communal living, piety, and withdrawal from mainstream society.

This is why the invented Jesus Christ did not also direct his anger towards the Roman soldiers superiors who came and invaded his homeland, like he always did to his own people even the innocent tree he did not forgive:

In front of the Romans your Jesus is very gentle and remembers to forgive but in front of his own people he forgets about forgiveness:
Matthew 23:13: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces."
Matthew 23:33: "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
John 8:44: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires."
Matthew 11:20-24: "Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent."
Luke 19:41-44: "The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you... They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you."

Even the tree that had not sinned, he could not forgive:
Matthew 21:18-19: "Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, 'May you never bear fruit again!' Immediately the tree withered."

gohf:
they might have invented a false one that doesn't mean a real genuine one doesn't exist

They were people called Jesus then but none of them was the son of God. The Roman empire invented Jesus Christ son of God to mock the Jews after the Romans conquered the Jews who were waiting for God to send a Messiah to come and defeat the Roman empire from the Holly land of Israel.

chiommy123:
So na only negativity you saw. Believe me the new testament church is/was better than this present day christians. They shared everything in common. People sold their lands brought the money to church and its shared accordingly as each has need.

People sold their lands brought the money to church and its shared accordingly as each has need, led to:
Laziness and Idleness:
2 Thessalonians 3:6-15
"members for being idle and not working"

and

Corinthians for forming cliques based on their favorite leaders (e.g., Paul, Apollos, Peter).

and

the church for tolerating a case of incest and failing to deal with sexual immorality within the congregation. Due to Laziness and Idleness:

gohf:
Jesus Christ is the son of God, who serves God forever, how can a living breathing image of God brought forth by God be an idol

Jesus Christ is an invented idol by the Roman empire

Jesus Christ is an idol invented by the Roman empire

God Almighty of the original Torah in the original first Temple in Jerusalem is the only True God.

sonmvayina:
What is the living water you think he gave to the woman at the well? If not sperm. The woman who has 5 husbands because she was looking for a child.
When Jesus shine her congo that night and the subsequent days....the lady carry belle fas fas...

But they did not tell us about the son that was born.

Even here Jesus was shinning Mary's congo and her sister Martha was complaining her sister Mary left her alone in the kitchen to do the cooking:

"Martha, Martha, you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed—or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."

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